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Joe
Joe
15:36
@Lokkij looks really cool
Thanks!
Joe
Joe
has anyone done any homebrew background music for their games? im looking at all the things I plan to have on my plate in the next 6 months, and I'm realizing this is one I have no clue about
3-d and textures, I'm bad at but I think I can handle... sound fx I was going to use one of those sfx generator boards. But music I have no idea
@Joe I did back in 2000
I used Acid Music and some loop packs
was really easy
Joe
Joe
can it all be done with software or do i need to get like a midi synth and talent?
if you use Acid, no gear needed
all software
Joe
Joe
15:41
Assuming theres a price there?
yes
but it's not expensive, as far as music composition software goes
it's also excessively easy to use and get decent results from it
Joe
Joe
how about the Talent... is that expensive :D?
no idea
oh you mean talent
Acid uses loops
so you pick things that sound like you want, and layer them
Joe
Joe
ok I've seen stuff like that
my first college roomate used to "mix beats" at 4 in the morning... bless his soul
lol
My wife is a musician but I've not gotten to a point where I'd actually need her to compose anything for me
Even then it might just be easier to roll my own with such an app... you know how those creative types can get ;)
Having a pianist in the house did make new years more exciting. Nothing like drunk singing at the piano at 3am
Joe
Joe
15:44
^ yea without even being married to them! i Kid I Kid!
People with musical ability amaze me... I can't do that stuff, this is going to be the scariest part
I would love to make some music for a game.
Something very minimalistic, maybe just some light fingerpicking around some easy chords during some light gameplay would really be engaging.
I can music but I struggle making original content
16:01
Wait a sec. That starred google code thing with the terrible code is made by Wolfire Games - the guys behind that awesome rabbits-with-swords game.
user92578
yeah
How could they ever produce something that terrible?
user92578
I hope they have re-done that part for the new rabbit-game
Joe
Joe
man im such a hardware nerd... I just realized that im actually bummed about not having to buy some new gadget for music
16:17
Well consider yourself lucky
If my wife wanted to get into computer music production, the hardware I'd be buying her is a $2000 keyboard
Joe
Joe
nah she can make do with one of these and so can i
lol... no
:P
I really don't think she would settle for anything that wasn't full size
And I know her... it also has to sound and feel good when she plays
Music production....without ableton or some other composing software. What is this? :O
Oh I remember, it's like in the 70's
back when I wasn't even alive
My wife is extremely laid back most the time... but she is extremely picky about pianos
Joe
Joe
I know I dont need it... and I know ill probably never use it... but damn do I want this really bad
16:20
$40 is reasonable for a new toy
Joe
Joe
what would you think about her saying "@SpartanDonut is extremely picky when it comes to processors"
operating systems
She harasses me for lots of things. That certainly won't hurt my feelings
Joe
Joe
lol I know the feeling
16:22
And believe me, she knows how she feels about pianos :P
Joe
Joe
I'm still not #9-ed ... but I am getting close
@SpartanDonut 40 bucks with 40 dollar shipping apparantly
Joe
Joe
haha sneaky ebay built in profits
seems fine though... average is close to 300 bucks... with shipping new
I think I've just rationalized this into a reality, like a good consumer
16:45
lol
that's what we always do when we want something :P
Joe
Joe
I am assuming I can just plug something like this straight into my machine... lets find that out next
MIDI controllers used to use the joystick port (or was it joysticks used the MIDI port?) - I imagine modern devices should just use USB
I've not really investigated
Joe
Joe
yeap usb
I can't think of any more scrutiny
I would say don't jump on any software until you've received the hardware and then do demos of a few different products to ensure that you like it and that it works with your hardware
Joe
Joe
seems like solid advice
anyone seen any upcoming Jams recently?
Jon
Jon
17:08
hahah yeaha
that's spaceballs, right?
Joe
Joe
yes and yes!
:D
17:24
Seems there isn't a whole lot on the horizon right now
17:44
New spoilers are in!
I tried Hex a couple days ago... couldn't get into it. Feels really slow :(
Hex is a strategy board game played on a hexagonal grid, theoretically of any size and several possible shapes, but traditionally as an 11×11 rhombus. Other popular dimensions are 13×13 and 19×19 as a result of the game's relationship to the older game of Go. According to the book A Beautiful Mind, John Nash (one of the game's inventors) advocated 14×14 as the optimal size. == History == The game was invented by the Danish mathematician Piet Hein, who introduced it in 1942 at the Niels Bohr Institute. It was independently re-invented in 1947 by the mathematician John Nash at Princeton University...
Hex?
I feel the same about it. It's also extremely similar to MtG. A lot of cards read like Space the Convergence.
Give me a random card and there's a good chance I know exactly which MtG card or mechanic it was inspired by.
17:50
I don't care about the MtG inspired bit. If it's fun I'm good with it
Maybe it's just the starter decks but it just wasn't fun :(
As an MtG player it feels extremely weird to play it.
The starter decks and rewards didn't inspire me to spend money on more cards anyway
Right, it has a terrible monetization model as well. It's a shame; I was looking forward to it.
Isn't the monetization model the same as MtGO?
user4704
Features I would never want, #21:
user4704
17:52
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@SpartanDonut Yes. I hate MtGO's monetization model as well, especially with such a terrible client.
I wish MtGO would do away with the event tickets for casual drafting and whatnot
I'd probably consider playing it if it did
It's like... I need to buy the cards AND pay to play? :(
Simply the fact that you need to buy cards is enough for me. In real life, I can kinda justify it, but paying for digital cards is not acceptable for me.
I don't have much of a problem with that
Cards being paper vs digital doesn't make much of a difference to me other than if the game goes away I'm out digital cards
But that's a risk I can accept
I presume, possibly with too much trust in WotC, that if MtGO went away people would get something out of their collections
But I'd accept that there is a chance that I'd get nothing
I don't imagine WotC paying people or anything like that, but maybe a bit of free IRL product.
17:57
Other than that, I see no difference between physical vs digital cards
I also don't imagine MtGO going away anytime soon; it's just too popular.
@Lokkij when was the last time you used the MtGO client? I'm curious if it's gotten any better
I'm having trouble gauging without just downloading it and trying it myself
@SpartanDonut I haven't. :P
.... lol
I just hear this constant stream of complaints about it.
Huge memory leaks appear to be the most common problem, affecting almost everyone.
I love how they've even done the 'going back in the past' thing on basic lands:
18:07
Nice art :D
Damn. Reading through these it's like.... wtf
The worst thing is the speed at which they fix bugs - the ride down bug, which occurs pretty often, was already on there in september.
> General | Players can experience memory leaks in some situations. Restarting the client can temporarily resolve these issues.
> Collection | Dragging or adding a large number of cards to a deck or trade binder causes Magic Online to freeze while processing resulting in a "Main Navigation is Not Responding" error. While the client is not responsive, waiting several minutes will allow the process to complete. Using the error dialog to close the client will cancel the transaction.
> Trade | If you accept a trade request after the trade request has been canceled, the client requires a restart before you can accept trade requests again
Some of these are so silly
I concur
Dammit! I should have concurred.
18:15
.. so if you want to trade, you have to somehow navigate this:
argh
I think it would be easier to meet people (from matches, chat, draft, etc.) and trade with them. Or use a forum or something lol
.. which is what's wrong with the trading interface. They could've made it like the Steam marketplace, but instead you have to search out an individual who has your card and wants some of your stuff, and manually trade with them.
Well steam marketplace isn't trading
That's buying and selling
It's kinda like that on MtGO as well - you often trade cards for tickets or vice versa.
18:28
I have to imagine it's still very much a bartering system though
A card might be worth one ticket to one person and two to another
Yep - and a steam-style marketplace would allow you to easily find the best deal.
I don't think I agree
Does MtGO have a currency other than real $ and event tickets?
Hang on, there was an article about this recently.
I doubt I'll agree with that article
I don't want to have to exchange my cards for an arbitrarily decided upon currency in order to trade
I can't find it
18:33
If MtGO had an official currency or if the market was for real money it might make some sense... but I don't like the idea of event tickets as currency
But yeah. basically the only way to trade on MtGO is to exchange stuff for tickets.
Or you know... find people who are willing to trade cards
Just like in real life
That could be a possibility, but everyone seems to be trading with tickets.
How do you know?
Because the article (on SCG) implied that it was the only option, and when I wanted to get into MtGO I did some reading, and they all said you trade with tickets.
18:36
If you are going to trade with the bots in that image you posted perhaps
Or if you want to seriously just outright purchase cards like buying physical cards through an online vendor
Yeah - everyone seems to be (note: I do not know for certain) trading with bots.
My opinion is that buying from bots is not the same as trading
That's purchasing cards
I would imagine it's pretty easy to just start up a conversation in chat and see if you can find someone interested in taking some of your rares in exchange for a bunch more commons and uncommons to help you build up your collection
But I guess I don't know
Maybe everybody sells their commons and uncommons and trash rares to bots for tickets
and then the bots flip them for a profit
Hmm, maybe
Huh, a high-profile professional player even wrote an article suggesting alternatives to MtGO.
It's somewhat humorous how we're both just making up theories based on reading and speculation and we don't actually have any real clue :P
Yeah :P
18:43
Does XMage have built in lobby / match finding?
Yep (no matchmaking, but you can just join a public room)
My how things have changed since my Apprentice days xD
Apprentice?
Looks like it's onto version 2 now
My two complaints about XMage are that the server is occasionally a bit slow and that the available avatars look hideous.
@SpartanDonut Haha wow
18:49
To play apprentice you did the following:

1. Download Apprentice
2. Download all the sets from MTG you wanted to use
3. Join IRC community
4. Exchange IPs with someone you want to play with from the IRC community
5. Connect to the player in Apprentice via IP address
Drafting required a completely separate program and was on the honor system that the deck you were playing was the deck you drafted.
Things have definitely improved a bit :P
Joe
Joe
@SpartanDonut netdraft eventually spat out public hashkeys
to prove you had the cards you said you drafted
Ah good deal
Still an awful way to play
Joe
Joe
but yea it was horrible
19:24
@Lokkij phonentically spell your name for me / how do I pronounce it?
@SpartanDonut Something like 'Lokai'
low kye?
lock eye?
low key?
Joe
Joe
<- JUH _OH
At least in Dutch it starts with 'lock'. The second sound is hard to describe in english.. 'ai' is the closest I can come up with.
when I see ai I think eye
as in ohai
kthxbai
19:29
Yeah, as in ohai
In google translate, translate 'ice' to Dutch and have it pronounce the Dutch word.
Like that (without 's' of course).
Ooh, GTranslate's pronunciation of Lokkij is pretty good!
Joe
Joe
low-kai
cool
got it
thanks :)
Joe
Joe
allright now i need a library of 8bit audio...
is there a pandora station for this
chiptunes
is the term I've used for the genre
Not exactly 8 bit but it sounds 8bitish
MLM
MLM
Just looked. There is a Chiptune genre station on Pandora
Joe
Joe
19:39
"Chiptunes" what does that mean
MLM
MLM
Style you are after. Midi chips. gameboy, bit crunching, ADC/DAC
tunes derived from the beep boops of microchips
Joe
Joe
A chiptune, also known as chip music or 8-bit music, is synthesized electronic music produced by the sound chips of vintage computers, video game consoles, and arcade machines, as well as with other methods such as emulation. In the early 1980s, personal computers became less expensive and more accessible than they had previously been. This led to a proliferation of outdated personal computers and game consoles that had been abandoned by consumers as they upgraded to newer machines. They were in low demand by consumers as a whole, and not difficult to find, making them a highly accessible a...
GOT IT, cool perfect
There is some neat stuff out there
Overall the genre wears on me though
Joe
Joe
not sure if ill listen to it outside of the project but yea this will do
MLM
MLM
19:42
Started watching some of the "The Smash Brothers" documentary. Pretty interesting even though I have barely played.
Oooo. I'll have to watch. I enjoy video game documentaries
The DotA one kind of sucked though IMO :(
I mean it was ok but meh
Katamari soundtrack ftw - youtube.com/…
Pip
Pip
is this a good question? (don't answer the question itself unless it is on SO)
When reading about static dictionaries, I noticed that since they are static there is only one copy in memory, but you can still add to them, making them non-static, correct? What is the performance hit for doing this? I assume that there is one since the whole dictionary must be copied in memory. Also, where would it be copied in memory? Would it become a member of the class or would it be sitting somewhere in limbo?
hey @Jon
sup
Jon
Jon
yo
@Pip static != read only
19:49
I feel like the whole question is based around that misconception
MLM
MLM
To add, static means the pointer is shared/lives across all instances of the class: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_variable#Example
Pip
Pip
hm
maybe I'll change it a bit then
MLM
MLM
The description on that wikipedia article isn't very good but I like the example
Pip
Pip
I realize it doesn't mean read-only, but does it get copied to a member or does it actually effect every instance's dictionary?
It's exactly the same as regular static fields.
Pip
Pip
20:06
also... time to build another virtual pc
this time trying to find much cheaper things
wtf is an intel core 2 duo? how is it different from say... an i5 except for being amazingly cheap
@Pip core 2 duo is pre i series tech
Pip
Pip
ah
what can you say about how it compares?
Other than it's ancient? I don't care to know :P
I believe the i series stuff is more power efficient
faster / cooler / less power
Pip
Pip
20:12
interesting
In my memory (which could be wrong) Core 2 duo was one of the most popular early multi core processors and has since been greatly surpassed
Pip
Pip
20:34
hm
what do you guys think about this?
I haven't paid enough attention to AMD these days to know what's good
Jon
Jon
get a better power supply
mobo also looks kinda shitty
Pip
Pip
why do you say that?
Jon
Jon
i typically stick to a asus or gigabyte motherboards
Pip
Pip
the one there is cheap and pretty full-featured
Jon
Jon
20:41
yeah if its what you want, get it
Isn't Corsair a good brand for PSUs?
MLM
MLM
@SpartanDonut Yes and good looking
Pip
Pip
supposed to be
If his hardware needs less than 500W there isn't any reason to go bigger
Jon
Jon
corsair is one of the best
500w seems low though
i have a 650w corsair in mine
20:52
Well now I have to look more closely at these parts
That is a pretty beefy GPU
Pip
Pip
yeah, it is
there's the new list
the old list was someone else's
Jon
Jon
i'd honestly bump it up to at least 600w
leaving 50 watts for the rest of your computer ಠ_ಠ
50 Watts should be enough for anyone.
Jon
Jon
20:54
might want to consider solid state drive too.. your ide drive is going to be a big bottleneck
SSD!!!!
Pip
Pip
yeah, definitely ssd
my 2c, I try to avoid Asus if I can help it, swear every Asus thing I buy always breaks or is shitty
S S FUCKIN D
Pip
Pip
I already have one tho, didn't put it on the list
20:55
Well that's kind of the thing with NVIDIA vs AMD. NVIDIA is power efficient, cool, and pricey. AMD is power hungry, hot, and cheap
Pip
Pip
but works well nonetheless
AMD stock cpu fans don't cool very well for me in the long-run, I've had to buy aftermarket cpu coolers
Jon
Jon
AMD is the Tim the Toolman Taylor of video cards
Pip
Pip
oh wait fuck, I gave the wrong list XD
lol..
20:56
ShotgunNinja is never here anymore. :(
yeah but if you have an AMD GPU and CPU you might be looking at a bigger PSU as a result
Jon
Jon
based on the chart, it says those parts would of cost less than 400$ in december
Pip
Pip
yeah :/
which is freaking amazing
Jon
Jon
invest now.. those prices are just bound to keep going up
20:57
My PC is like: Intel i5, Corsair 650w, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, 1 TB normal HDD, GTX 460 (is old), Gigabyte mobo
Pip
Pip
the gpu keeps going up and down really freaking fast
Jon
Jon
my pc is like 7 years old
Pip
Pip
everything else is pretty stable
Jon
Jon
but its fast as hell still
Joe
Joe
@Jon which parts are cheap atm?
Jon
Jon
20:59
i had to upgrade the video card like 2 years ago
Pip
Pip
I want to build something now because I just got an SSD and a monitor over the holidays :D
Jon
Jon
@Joe dunno
not really into hardware recently
i only get into hardware when I build a new pc :)

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