Game Development

Alex M.

12:15

Mandarin, like Cantonese, is a tonal language, and a misused inflection can change the meaning of a sentence. The syllable “ma” can mean mother or horse, depending on the inflection, which could lead to grave insults at the dinner table.

the only thing I can ask is... why did it come to this

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexM. that must suck when you have a cold

Alex M.

I mean

it's objectively inefficient

the language I mean

Jon

because Mä is not the same as må

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexM. so is the imperial system yet people still developed it and are currently still using it

Alex M.

@Jon still inefficient

Jon

12:17

A lot of things are inefficient.

Alex M.

words with wholly different meaning should be as different as possible in both writing and pronouncing

there's that index or whatever; the number of operations you have to do to change a string into another

for mother and horse, this should be big enough

I think English is an efficient-enough language

Jon

lol

remove the vowels, and you raise the efficiency up by another 14%

Alex M.

similarly, for Japanese, I think having to use 2 alphabets is again inefficient

the korean alphabet is fine

Jon

Having a world that utilizes hundreds of different languages is also inefficient

Also, multiple currencies is very inefficient

We need a new world order.

Alex M.

well I'm the one who wants the world to speak a single language

so I agree

but people won't want to get efficient that easily

the Chinese will always be like "stfu and leave our language alone

also you used the wrong tone there

Jon

12:21

There will be a period of civil unrest... many will die

Alex M.

instead of calling me human you called me sodium bicarbonate"

Jon

Did you watch Cosmos?

episode 1

Alex M.

nope

Jon

Do yourself a favor, watch it.

Try to keep it in your pants

so good

Alex M.

lol dude you ask so much of me

I've yet to read about the koreans vs japs throughout history

like I promised

Jon

12:24

Japanese were horrible... you read up about the massacre of nanking?

Alex M.

well the japanese are humans

whatever war there was, everyone massacred stuff

Cosmos: A Personal Voyage

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this one?

Jon

no

the new one with Tyson Degrasse

Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey

Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey is an American documentary television series. It is a follow-up to the 1980 television series ', which was presented by Carl Sagan. The new series' presenter is Neil deGrasse Tyson. The executive producers are Seth MacFarlane and Ann Druyan, Sagan's widow. The series premiered on March 9, 2014, simultaneously in the US across ten 21st Century Fox networks: Fox, FX, FXX, FXM, Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports 2, National Geographic Channel, Nat Geo WILD, Nat Geo Mundo and Fox Life. According to Fox Networks, this is the first time that a TV show is set to premiere in a g...

Alex M.

aight

Jon

The old one with Carl Sagan is also awesome... but dated now

This is the remake

Alex M.

the US was also pretty nasty during the cold war

actually the cold war was pretty nasty, hence the name

making tinier countries fight for you instead, tsk tsk

Jon

12:28

The people that dropped the bomb on nagasaki... considered war heroes in the US

They literally killed millions of people, literally.

apparently only 4 of these guys knew what was going on.

Alex M.

I bet kids in the US are also taught that the US army doesn't massacre nor rape people

Jon

Of course they are the good guys.

Alex M.

seeing north korean pics is like seeing shots from our black and white communist movies

but in color

what's up with the damn art style

I mean the colors and painting and everything

it's like a trademark for communism

same for fonts

at least in the case of the latin alphabet

Jon

Everyone is controlled by government.

they probably havent updated their fonts in 20 years

Alex M.

I'd be afraid to fly with a nk plane

god knows how the pilots were trained

Jon

12:38

i wanna go on vacation

to like barbados

Alex M.

in case nk's lead ever goes down, I bet it will be an epic scene

with this thing taken down with explosives

Jon

hehe

Alex M.

movie-worthy

Jon

Well, one thing is for sure, something is going to happen to NK in your lifetime.

Almo

Alex M.

12:39

yeah @Almo I was just looking at the panorama

Almo

I read a book on NK defectors. Was fucking fascinating.

Alex M.

nothing says "trying to mislead" like building something like that hotel

in the middle of a pile of shit

Almo

amazon.com/Nothing-Envy-Ordinary-Lives-North/dp/0385523912

I highly recommend reading that book.

Jon

worse thing is, they have no idea how horrible their lives are.

I mean, they have an idea, but they don't really know.

Almo

is that the view from the top of that building, or does it show the building with some windows on it?

I saw a pic of people in NK at computers....

Alex M.

12:41

@Almo read the first page, I'll read more for sure

@Almo they have their own internet

Almo

with no wires between the keyboards and puters themselves.

Alex M.

only the military are allowed to use the real internet

Almo

not surprising

Alex M.

I've heard there's a global thing on their websites

Martin Sojka

@Jon 60-80k due to the explosion or the resulting fires, a small amount (something like 1k) due to radiation afterwards. The city lies in a narrow valley, which confined most of the destruction and radiation.

Alex M.

12:42

where the name of the leader is written with a bigger and bolder font

Jon

@MartinSojka thought it was more.

Alex M.

why would you do this

it makes me want to bash my head on the desk

Jon

hahaha

Alex M.

I don't even

Jon

They are forced to bow for the pictures.

I saw a documentary, people would be forced to sit in attendance to things

Alex M.

12:44

you know what I'm wondering most

Jon

Having to listen to propoganda..

Alex M.

I mean NK's military is crap, everyone knows that

but nobody in the world thinks it's worth it to just go in and kill things

I wonder if NK doesn't serve some other purpose

Jon

A true test on population control maybe?

Almo

I get to go see my wife sing the Carmina Burana tonight.

Alex M.

@Jon how does that help the outside world?

Almo

12:46

she says the text was written by some monks, and is all about sex and drinking and general debauchery.

and how you just die afterward.

since most people who hear clips of it don't understand latin or german, few here know what it's really about.

the role play questions in the Hot Network Questions feed look weird.

"How can I disable selection-copy highlighting?""

Martin Sojka

@Jon The firebombing of Tokyo was way worse.

Almo

"How can I manke an interesting escape from a fire?"

@MartinSojka Alex speaks truth.

temperatures were higher, areas larger.

Alex M.

wut what did I say

Almo

the thing that gets us about the atom bomb was its efficiency

took a whole class on that issue. was very interesting

woops

Martin just showed up in the middle of that

I meant "Martin speaks truth"

too late to edit

Martin Sojka

Heh. :)

I don't actually consider the atomic bombs to be too horrific; they don't do what conventional explosives can't do, just in a smaller package. Biochemical weapons though? This shit is nasty.

Alex M.

12:54

> North Korea (in red) playing against Brazil in the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.

how do they keep the players from... nevermind

Almo

what makes atom bombs so dangerous is we have enough of them to destroy our environment were we to use them. But I guess biochem could do that as well

Martin Sojka

@AlexM. Those players generally have families home.

Alex M.

I wonder what the players thought when they saw how different the world outside was

I mean did they even raise an eyebrow

Almo

"decadent capitalist pigs"

or something

maybe

Martin Sojka

We could actually dump every means of destruction we have at once and it would only serve to kill off ourselves and a bunch of related species (like farm animals). Not even completely, that is; it's just our civilisation which would break down. The environment? A millennium later, all that would be left of us are some funny-looking rock formations. On the other hand, when (not if) Yellowstone breaks out again, we're done for, and there's exactly nothing we can do about it.

Almo

13:04

Plutonium has a half-life of 76k years. I think the radiation damage would be longer-lived than a millenium.

Martin Sojka

Valve releases their DirectX-to-OpenGL layer as open source, MIT license, GitHub link here.

Almo

though Plutonium is actually more deadly as a toxin, I've read.

nasty shit that

Martin Sojka

@Almo Plutonium is dangerous because you get heavy-metal poisoning from it, not because it's radioactive. :)

Almo

maybe we need more Plutonium in the world.

if we say "plutonium" enough, and then say "NSA" maybe the NSA will come read our chat.

user92578

Oh cool, got this to log me in at school... Still 2 hours to go... plutonium

Alex M.

13:11

this explains a lot

thanks almo for the book, I'll read it asap

ToddersLegrande

If the NSA found out about my new game, Plutonium, I guess that would be pretty good advertising :D

Almo

Sure; hope you enjoy it. :)

@micklh They agreed to change that weird enum code; thanks for the additional reasons it was bad :)

Martin Sojka

13:42

Speaking of the "millennium" estimate, there's actually a scientific reason for that: This is the time frame the nature it needs at worst to regenerate from a catastrophe to a stable state for the local soil type, biome and so on. At best it's something like 200 years. We can calculate those predictions based on things like the aftermath of Mount St. Helens explosion in 1980 and how the area looks like now, without any human touching it. Good to keep in mind for world building for games.

Almo

neato

Martin Sojka

There are outliers possible - there always are - but that's what you usually can safely use for your "fallen civilisation ruins" time frame.

Leggy7

14:12

hi

Almo

lo

Leggy7

I was wondering if someone could help me with a technical comprehension related issue :)

Almo

can't answer that until you ask the question since we don't know if we can help until then :)

Kevin van der Velden

looks for the don't ask to ask quote

5

Leggy7

sure, I'm typing it :)

regarding shaders.
it is the saturate function in CG, explained here
http://http.developer.nvidia.com/Cg/saturate.html
I don't really get what does it mean, in concrete

Kevin van der Velden

14:15

@Leggy7 lies, you were typing your message saying you are typing it =p

Leggy7

copy/pasted what I typed until then

:)

Kevin van der Velden

@Leggy7 basically it clamps each part of the vector to the range 0...1 inclusive

Leggy7

I never lie!

Alex M.

I need to make it a habit to do stuff like this:

Leggy7

@kevin it says that if x is out of the range, it returns x

Kevin van der Velden

14:17

No no, it says that if x < 0 then it returns 0; else if x > 1 then return 1; else return x

Alex M.

if (position == something)
{
}
position += someValue;

instead of

position += someValue;
if (position == something)
{
}

Almo

@Leggy7 I do that too. :)

Leggy7

oh shit I read bad

Alex M.

in update loops

i.e. wait for the next update to check for conditions

Leggy7

ok, now I have a clearer idea

Alex M.

14:18

I was wondering why the hell an animal was getting hit if the stone wasn't near it

Leggy7

my unanswerable question is why the heck I too often don't pay enought attention to what I read

thank you @kevin

Alex M.

it turned out the sprite update already passed, so even though the two collided, visually they did not

Kevin van der Velden

@Leggy7 no problem :)

Leggy7

I would be able to read 100times that page and dont notice my error

:)

Alex M.

but that's mostly because Orthello is managing sprites

Kevin van der Velden

14:20

@Leggy7 yeah, sometimes you just need a brain that doesn't make the same assumptions to point out the problem =p

Alex M.

> Trouble Shooting

Signin doesn't work

The plugin expects google chrome in application:openUrl part. Change code there to allow any type of browser.

Leggy7

@kevin true sad story :(

Alex M.

Change code there to allow any type of browser.

if you were able to allow any type of browser

why the fuck did you not do it in the first place

Almo

like Win98: drag a file onto a folder on the taskbar: "Error! If you want to drag a file into a folder, do so on the desktop."

if you knew what I wanted to do, why not just fucking do it?

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Q: How do I unload a scene after doing LoadLevelAdditive?

I have scene A loaded. I load scene B with LoadLevelAdditive. How do I unload scene B and keep scene A loaded?

unity

free points, Alex. I'm sure this is an easy one for you to answer.

Alex M.

only two things are genuinely difficult to understand: quantum physics and other programmers.

Almo

14:25

hahahaha

fucking quantum

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexM. other programmers also includes you-from-a-month-ago

Almo

hehehe

Alex M.

@Almo never used loadleveladditive because Orthello uses singletons

let me do a bit of research

Almo

only thing I found was people saying "you don't want to unload a scene" or "loadlevel unloads your scene automatically"

Alex M.

but essentially, what you want to do is somehow mark the gameobjects that came from the 2nd scene

and Destroy() them

Almo

14:27

ok

so I have to remove each object myself

Alex M.

yeah

but not sure how you'd go about marking them

Almo

I have the parent object of all of them

Alex M.

using tags is not a good idea

Almo

so I can go from there.

Alex M.

oh, just delete the parent

actually, that's a good idea; for each scene have a root gameobject set at 0,0,0 global

so you just remove that one

Almo

14:28

ok

free points if you put that in an answer.

now to get the menu to move

which means moving the whole scene, except the camera

Alex M.

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A: How do I unload a scene after doing LoadLevelAdditive?

You essentially need to Destroy(..) the GameObjects that came from your 2nd scene, manually. Quick solution: for your 2nd scene, make an empty root GameObject positioned at global 0,0,0. Any other GameObject in your scene becomes a child of that. After loading the 2nd scene additively, the root...

done

erebel55

sup

ToddersLegrande

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Alex M.

@Almo yay points thx

I gief points too

I LOVE POINTS

erebel55

sorry for the crap answer Almo

Almo

14:39

:)

hey it's ok erebel :)

wait a minute. how many dark-haired Italians have blue eyes?

Martin Sojka

@Almo Lots. Especially in Sicily, given that it was a Viking (well, Norman) kingdom for quite a while.

Almo

ok was just wondering :)

Alex M.

I went to this italian restaurant yesterday

lots of italians inside

worst pizza ever

ToddersLegrande

Italian Pizza != American Pizza

Leggy7

true story

@italian guy

Alex M.

14:47

@ToddersLegrande it tasted bland

it was !enjoyable

all pizzas look the same to me

Leggy7

maybe you didn't eat one here in italy @Alex

Alex M.

I hope those in Italy are better than the one I ate yesterday

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I have to say, if you didn't enjoy an Italian pizza, those were some bad Italians making it :P

Leggy7

@william holy truth

Martin Sojka

I could technically fly to Italy once a week or so just for pizza (Ryan Air flies to Bergamo from the nearest airport for 20 EUR in one direction). I just CBA.

Lasse

14:49

Now suddendly I want pizza

Alex M.

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I guess

it's very easy for me to compare pizzas among restaurants because I always eat the same kind: quattro formaggi

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

One way to instantly tell if a pizza isn't Italian is the kind of ham they're using. If they're using shredded/ground ham, it's not Italian. Italian pizza always have slices of quality ham.

Lasse

You always eat the same pizza but need to change your avatar every week

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Of course, slices of ham doesn't mean great quality pizza, but it's usually a sign of a better pizza.

Alex M.

@William'MindWorX'Mariager ham on quattro formaggis doesn't exist

they also used too little fucking gorgonzola

all other restaurants use more

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:53

Quattro Formaggis is four kinds of cheese right?

Lasse

I need to get something to eat

Alex M.

yup

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

All without goggeling. I'm proud of myself.

Alex M.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I guess I just eat too much pizza. :P

Alex M.

14:53

orgasm

Tordin

oh man

where is that pizza from?

Leggy7

quattro stagioni is my favorite I think

Alex M.

@Tordin the web

Tordin

Darn you the web!

ToddersLegrande

I'm open to any meat on a pizza but I think fresh mushrooms and onions make for best pizzas, often in conjunction with other ingredients

Tordin

14:54

Yes, fresh mushrooms

infact, all fresh ingreedients are the bezt

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Well, I guess I just decided what I want for dinner. :P

On another topic, does anyone have experience with using Jenkins?

I'm thinking about providing nightly builds for my project.

Alex M.

I'm still searching for a restaurant that makes QFs with like...

gorgonzola, danish blue, brie and camembert

I wonder how that would taste

I'm sure it would taste good

also it would be expensive as fuck :\

maybe if I make one at home for myself

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I wish I didn't have my eyes when eating. I love the taste of Gorgonzola, but I nearly barf whenever I see the mouldy parts in my food.

ToddersLegrande

I think the biggest challenge with home made pizza is finding or making a sauce you like

Leggy7

pizza secret is mostly in the dough

then come the ingredients you put on it

Alex M.

14:58

lol the guy who made this plugin used an enum w/ 2 values

to indicate whether or not something was logged in or out

why the fuck not use a bool

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexM. ew, there's mold on there =p

Alex M.

it's like the perfect two-state flag

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

> Next version: NearlyLoggedOut and LongSinceLoggedOut enums.

Leggy7

was thinking the same @william :)

Almo

bacon

Kevin van der Velden

15:00

BACON :D

Almo

wins

Alex M.

@William'MindWorX'Mariager nearlyloggedout lol

that reminds me of how I say something "just fell" in my game

	JustFell = true;
	Invoke("resetJustFell", 0.2f);

after 0.2s you're well fallen

within 0.2s you just fell

what the fuck tense shit

fuck this, have some awesome music

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Alex M.

15:26

also got two answers accepted on workplace.se today

if you guys hadn't upvoted me on SO, I'd be ahead of my SO rep w/ my workplace rep by now

:(

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

15:37

Ugh.

My run-time compile plugin system still only works with a single file. It's a bit messy. I should really have it look at all files and not just one file.

user4704

@AlexM. Is it ever passed to a function?

Alex M.

no

user4704

Two-state enumerations as function parameters are fine, and contribute to improved readability at the call sites.

Alex M.

that makes sense

doSomething(LoggedStatus.LoggedIn);

makes more sense than doSomething(true);

but then again you could also use

doSomething(loggedIn: true);

user4704

Sure, if your language/version supports that sort of thing, and you don't find named parameters ugly.

Evan

15:46

@JoshPetrie I found myself up in Seattle this weekend, and everyone was going crazy about the expectation of an entire week of sun. Hopefully the predictions actually turn out true. Also, I can't believe there aren't more pedestrian related car accidents up there. Considering how people just start walking across the street as they please without even looking!

user4704

@Evan Were you in Seattle proper, or Kirkland?

user4704

Kirkland has a particularly odd phenomenon where everybody will stop for any pedestrians they even think are considering walking across the road. It's quite unusual. As such, most of the pedestrians never bother looking.

user4704

And the weather has been particularly ugly in the last week, so some sun is going to be appreciated.

Evan

@JoshPetrie I was all over the place. We stayed in Seatac, but we ended up in Kirkland, Seattle, Bellevue, and Redmond at one point or another. Most of our time was in Seattle itself though

Almo

@JoshPetrie I almost hit someone in Los Alamos because of that.

Evan

15:53

It was a very interesting trip, and the culture there is so different from here in Orlando, FL. A very interesting clashing of old/new, as well as the small town feel with so many people

Almo

It was a little different, as they were peds-have-right-of-way crossings on Lab property. But they didn't look to see if the cars had stopped for them

Evan

Were you working at LANL?

Almo

I had previously never driven somewhere that had such things without lights or something

I was there for a 3-4 month student program

Evan

Ah, okay

I worked with LANL a lot during my time in the military

Lots of great folks there

Almo

weirdest place man. McD's closes at 6 on Friday, and I only saw 1 cop in the 3-4 months I was there.

most people I worked with were cool

Evan

15:54

lol

Almo

That was in the early 90s... maybe it's changed. but it was weird.

and the lab housing sucked. shower temp oscillated between maybe 60 and 120 degrees.

Alex M.

is the SE getting ddosed again?

Almo

no clue

Alex M.

in case anyone is willing to contribute (cough @Lasse, you're a webdev guru)

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user4704

@AlexM. Dunno, but they are deploying a fix.

Aidan Mueller

16:06

@AlexM. Again?

What do you mean again?

user4704

happened a while ago

Leggy7

guys, it's time to leave. have a nice time :)

ToddersLegrande

See ya man

Alex M.

managing what goes in the manifest xml when multiple plugins need multiple shits in it is a pain

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

16:26

I wonder if C# allow defining my own marshaling for specific types.

I guess if it does, it'll be more work than it's worth.

Right now I'm using structs with implicit conversions. Does the trick alright.

Alex M.

that's it, I'm switching plugins

I don't have time to dig through !logged code to see what is not working and why

fucking open source again

IT ALWAYS HAPPEN FOR FUCKS SAKE

do you know why

because you must be a fucking retarded shit

to build a properly working awesome software

and give it away for free

user4704

What plugin is this?

user4704

And for what software?

Alex M.

google play game services interaction

for Unity

I found another that seems to be better documented

user4704

Ah.

Lasse

17:25

@AlexM. So you're saying all default software that comes with linux is made by retards

Almo

17:46

I think he did say that, actually.

Unless that software doesn't count because it's not "properly working awesome software". Then they're not retards.

Grey

Thoughts on this monitor: frys.com/product/7223193#detailed

gamasutra.com/view/news/212709/…

Jon

looking for a good all inclusive resort.

suggestions welcomed.

Grey

@Jon ?

Jon

Vacation.

Grey

English

thxu

Almo

18:00

we went to Excellence Playa Mujeres in Cancun. was good

Jon

ohh, that one looks good

I'm currently looking at Jamaica -- Luxury Bahia Principe Runaway Bay

Grey

lel twitter down

Alex M.

18:28

@Almo I wouldn't call linux "properly working awesome software"

more like "useful free software that fucks you up when you least expect it"

Almo

Ok, just checking. I don't have much of an opinion on that. :)

Alex M.

IEEE Spectrum added 6 new photos.
Three years after the Fukushima meltdown, the cleanup has only just begun. Meet the robots on the cleaning crew

See more: http://bit.ly/1ivE33v

Lasse

@AlexM. windows does that too, and to my experience way more often than linux

joapet99

Hello

Almo

yeah Windows pretty horrible for that

ToddersLegrande

18:44

I think every platform has its share of garbage software

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Most of peoples arguments for/against an OS are anecdotal and therefor useless.

Almo

I can't say I agree. I've heard plenty of arguments I would not call anecdotal, as they are often verfiably true things that happen. What makes them useless in many cases is that it's a matter of preference, or how big an annoyance is really an annoyance.

It's a verifiable fact that in windows when it selects the name of a file for you to rename by adding "02" but ignoring the .jpg part, if I hit right arrow, I end up on the right side of the ., have to cursor back to add my 02. On OS X, it puts the cursor where I expect.

that's not anectdotal, since it is a verifyably true thing about the two OSs.

however, this doesn't seems to bother most people the way it bugs me

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I guess it's just me then. The arguments I hear for people using Android over iOS, Windows over Linux, etc., are almost exclusively anecdotal except for pricing.

Almo

so whether this complaint matters is up to the person in question.

I think your general point is probably true, it's just that I think the word "anecdotal" in a pedantic sense isn't quite right. :)

ToddersLegrande

Not really related to the point but more with the problem - with how easy it is to enable and disable file extensions in Windows 8, it might be worth it for you to have view file extensions disabled until you need to use it. This way you can easily go to the end of the line when renaming files

If you do both things roughly equally I don't have a good option for you though

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