Game Development

12:25 AM

ROCKIT LERGE

2:13 AM

@jgallant you still playin RL?

4:07 AM

Wow, my game is almost up to 10K lines of code...

Of course, 3K of that is Accidental Noise Library, but still...

Pleiades

4:31 AM

Is anyone still here?

@Almo What do you mean?

Trump?

@jgallant What's Almo referring to?

Leggy7

6:36 AM

morning

leaving :)

9:26 AM

imgur.com/gallery/rtOD6

10:03 AM

^This shit came from a brazilian, because of the new plug change, we call that kind of solution a "gambiarra"

10:33 AM

Work wants me to register for this password reset thing at work here. And it wants me to fill in 6 really personal questions. Would you fill it in?

Wtf 6 personal questions? The most I ever saw was 2

Name of first love, favorite toy as a kid, favourite meal etc

I'm not comfortable giving work this information

And you can't even choose lol

6 of 20

Still not good, I prefer when I can type the question

Then I can make some shit that isn't personal but that I'll remember

But I avoid those when possible, personal questions for password recovery are so flawed

Tricky

12:50 PM

@DH. I once cracked my co-student email thanks to that dumb questions. The question for password recovery was "What's your favorite eye color?" After three attempts I gained full access to his email box.

@DH. I think phone verification is much better then those questions.

1:06 PM

@DH. That is really hazardous thing to do, if the ground isn't connected anywhere the user might get electrocuted and even killed by the device

Oh we know, it's was just a joke because the conversor of this plug was stopped by the government and someone came with that crazy idea

it's a good illustration of software development though

okay

@Sie trump, and what his cronies stand for.

that bannon guy is scary

1:20 PM

His real name is not even trump

It is Drumpf

Trumpet

if you have no idea what you are doing, it sounds awful

I'm being serious

His real name is Donald Drumpf

2:24 PM

I think I've got a slight issue in my camera panning code...

It's much worse in the full screen, it's a 30-60 Hz vibration... Sigh.

hahaha

I know how to make it happen, I'm not quite sure why it happens yet, however...

Also, it seems like I have "Dead zones" in my panning ability, which is quite strange as well... Sigh.

Okay, I know what the shake problem is!

tell us!

It's complicated...

Basically, to do my cylindrical mapping, I have 2 cameras.

I'm switching to a raycast based system instead of a purely mathematical system to determine where the mouse is pointed.

The main camera's position was updated, but not the secondary camera, which can cause some interesting artifacts, as was seen, essentially it was confused as to where the camera was...

2:39 PM

why are you using two cameras. just curious, not saying it's wrong

One camera shows the left segment, the other one the right segment.

There might well be a more elegant solution, but...

Shit man you are insane.

Is it really that complex?

The alternatives seemed more complex...

I'm still getting these weird null zones, no idea what's happening there... Not even quite sure how to start lookng at it, but I'll come up with something I guess.

3:00 PM

that seems an odd solution to me, but I'm not in your code and don't know what specific problems you're solving

How would you do it, out of curiosity?

My original solution was 1 camera with 3 maps. It worked, but I remember there was a reason I switched...

I think it caused some weird artifacts when switching from one line to another, maybe the clouds or something.

I can't remember, I make the change months ago...

I would have the map tiles reposition themselves and only have one camera

so as you scroll to the left, the tiles falling off the screen on the right move over to the left

i say this without solid knowledge of your codebase; that may not work for you

Well, I found my problem... Sigh.

I guess I could do something like that, it wouldn't be too terrible. It's fairly close to what I had before. Hmmm.

It would make dealing with clouds easier...

Actually, as things are right now, there's 1 mesh.

Kotaku Plays Project Diva Future Tone

3:47 PM

I think my wife would kill me if I were to play this without headphones on

Wtf is this? Some sort of Osu?

Just added the barrel placement logic. Still have a fair bit more to do, but it's a start...

And the panning all works with raycasting, which in theory will allow me to tilt the camera or do other similar fun things!

Note that the barrels will have a ship in the background, I just haven't gotten there yet.

@DH. Hakune Mitsu (I think that's her name) is a virtual pop star. she has a ton of games, that's one of them

looking cool pearson

Oh, it's Hatsune Miku, it's the most famous Vocaloid

Not that I'm a weeb, but that shit is everywhere, yeah

what's a weeb

4:01 PM

It's just a name they give to those that are fans of japanese stuff

ah ok

4:14 PM

@Almo He is an idiot but that just sounds like fear mongering to me.

Have you read Brietbart at all?

if not, then you don't know what you're talking about. It's genuinely scary.

seeing the stuff going on in the Nazi press before all hell broke loose people say "why didn't they see it coming". Trump's not Hitler, but it's the same idea. We can see what bannon's organization was writing, and it's very unpleasant.

makes fox news look like a paragon of good journalism

Have you noticed that Trump sways like the wind? He talks to someone and his opinion changes. He is a puppet.

I'm not sure he's a puppet. I more think he's an opportunist. Manifests a similar way; what he says changes very quickly.

Well, he surely is an opportunist

He won't do half of the things he said

He just says what retarded people want to hear

Honestly I worry for his safety.

I don't like him but I think he is at a real risk of being assassinated.

4:19 PM

I don't think anyone would dare doing that just because there's a lot of people that disagrees with his radical dumb ideas

Hillary had more to worry about that, in my opinion, from the gun nuts who were trained that she was going to take away their guns

People have killed for less. I heard about a kid who got shot and killed over $10 worth of drugs the other month.

a quick survey of who gets shot over the last 50 years shows it's not people on the conservative side who get shot

reagan's the only one I can think of

but kennedy (both), MLK, Giffords..

hahah ALex Jones says he's joining the fight against false news

when he's one of the worst offenders in that regard

I was laughing my ass off when Limbaugh said he thought Trump was unhinged.

hahaha yeah

Rush helped create this atmosphere that allowed trump to get in

4:24 PM

I miss Obama already. I don't agree with him on certain issues but he's much better than the other options that we had.

his demeanor over the last week has been one of the few things giving me hope

what a good guy

Oh wait... the archaic system that has no right to exist in modern society made that decision for us!

agree with him or not, he's just a good guy.

I get really annoyed when people accuse him of corruption

he may be wrong about shit, but he's got good intentions

Steep on Friday open beta

jg freakin out about steep

4:25 PM

Who is gonna a fucken play with me

not me

not my kind of thing

Trump lover.

hahah

I don't know what you guys are upset about. You're both in Canada right?

You guys need to get started on that wall to keep me out lol.

I'm a US citizen. so I'm upset.

4:26 PM

I'm not a nationalist

also, it's well known that these nationalist movements often become expansionist then start wars

not that the US was not already starting wars

Unfortunately, I suspect the recent election is the new normal

but I expect it to be worse

Foreign governments hacking and leaking information to sway the out come

Same here but I thought you were Canadian. Must be the avatar...

4:27 PM

celebrity status as a requirement to win

my avatar?

it's a piece of that

Ely's Realm, Doesn't even have one... lol. I need to get on that eventually.

Fuck you guys I'm gonna play steep alone then

I'll call myself nogdse

SSX Tricky 4life.

No shit it's like a spiritual successor to ssx

4:31 PM

I didn't like Tricky. Too much focus on ridiculous trick animations

Bring it

I liked SSX better

I know why they did it

my wife spent most of her time on SSX trying to do tricks instead of winning the race

I bet many people were like that

so they went with it

My ex wife was a loser. Just raced

but did she win

:)

Sure

4:32 PM

Steep make me uncomfortable, whoever was making the promotional video died doing it

that's what the game was about

crossing the fucking finishline.

She's still a loser though cuz she doesn't have me

tricks were for getting speed boosts

Open world? Seriously. Why the fuck is it that every god damn game is open world nowadays.

Closed world's are dumb

4:33 PM

open worlds are boring

You rather run into an invisible wall?

I shouldn't have to wander around hunting for the game

2

Open World is only useful if the world has something to do in it

It's a hill

I find ppl either prefer linear or sandbox

4:33 PM

You go down the hill

It works for this

only sandbox i like is EVE

I actually have friends who prefer medal of honor and don't understand GTA

Like, Kingdoms of Amalur is Open World

But I don't have to walk 30 minutes to get to a new city

I find GTA dull, because it's so unfocused

It's like, 3 minutes and I already found the objective

4:34 PM

That's precisely why I love it

Same with Fallout--no interest in the storylines

just love to roam and create my own narratives

2v2 game where I scored all six of our goals.

that was really fun

Did you guys see Conan's Final Fantasy XV review?

Frigging hilarious

kotaku.com/…

Well, he is a comedian, so saying good things don't make people laugh

5:01 PM

It's a pretty good sendup of someone not getting the sandbox concept

FFXV is a sandbox?

Naw it's Asian.

"open world RPG" is how they describe it

(never actually played any of them lol)

Open World != Sandbox

From what I understand at least

I think sandbox ideally means a world you can affect, such as Minecraft, but it is commonly used for games like GTA and Fallout, where you can't actually change anything

so while I agree with the distinction, the two terms seem to be conflated in popular understanding

For me, the real can of worms is the meaning of "game"

for instance, puzzles are now popularly considered games, seemingly due to the advent of electronic formats

although the classical definition of game is a contest between multiple participants

5:24 PM

Er... not really, look at the famous game that comes with Windows, Spider

It's a solo game

Solo games are another interesting category

Since the game is based on specific rules, as game AI are based on algorithms, is it actually a contest between two competitors, or is it really a "puzzle" where the human participant is trying to figure out how to beat the rules?

There's no AI, you just follow the rules

Right, but I was expanding the idea to account for both player vs. game and player vs. AI competitor

(No disputing the modern, colloquial usage of "game" which definitely means solo endeavors per the advent of personal computing)

5:42 PM

Thinking about these issue b/c I'm trying to draft a paper on "Balanced Asymmetry" in game design, but I have to define what "game" means in relation to how I am approaching this idea

For instance does it apply to impartial as well as partisan games? It probably has application in solo games, but it is critical in the same way as it is for multi-player, deterministic games?

5:58 PM

What the heck. I just make games I have no idea what you are talking about.

haha

I hear you

These types of questions arise out of the study of games, both from a Game Theory and Combinatorial Game Theory standpoint

Although it seems merely philosophical, thinking about games in these terms is also quite practical

For instance, balance and asymmetry are utilized in art and design for aesthetic purposes

In game design, balance and asymmetry are functional

aspect of a game

6:31 PM

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what the fuck

The Economics and Ethics of Coffee | How to Make Everything: Coffee

I would like to know how the fuck people afford to play games nowadays

There are a lot of games I want to get, but I simply cannot even afford, it is just ridiculous

Truthfully unless it's something I REALLY want usually I just wait for Steam sales.

The only game I've pre-ordered in recent memory is Pokemon Moon.

in Canada, the base price for a game is now 80$ and that doesn't include all the content

And I haven't gotten a raise in 3 years

that game prices remained $60 for so many years in defiance of inflation has been strange.

6:33 PM

Chicken and steak costs even more than ever.

I just don't get how people can afford to do anything anymore.

$60 is still too pricey for a game I feel. The max I'll pay for any game is $30.

it depends on the title really.

I'd pay $60 for something I knew I'd play a shitload

Battlefield 1 is a 80$ title.

but the season pass is killing me

It has to be a pretty good game for me to pay $60, but for some games I'm willing to do so.

6:34 PM

If it were 2007 I'd buy TF2 again.

160$... like shit man.

who can afford that? lol... i feel like i make decent pay

and I have a house and a car, and a kid

and I can't spend 160$ on a damn video game

Do you have zombo though?

zombo.com?

Yes. With zombo you can do anything.

I remember when Zelda WindWaker, a 10 year old game that was redone, was $60 for something like 2 years on Wii U... I couldn't believe it.

They dropped the price to $20, and that seemed a bit more reasonable, but still a lot for a game so old...

6:36 PM

Nintendo is kind of a dick.

yeah, they are

they are asking 15$ for NES titles for christ sakes

They are so pricey because they think, scarcity = good.

I thought it was $5...

Ya. $60 for a shitty unmoddable emulator? You shitting me?

yeah it is 5 for nes... 10 for snes, and 15 for n64

6:37 PM

I'll stick with Android or Raspberry Pi thank you very much.

Is that the NES box thing?

and if you replace your console you have to buy it again

purchases are tied to the consoles

it is so fucken retarded

Ya because Nintendo has no idea how the internet works.

i use xbox1

with x3 chip and 200gb hd

and coinops

It's starting to show that a bunch of old farts are running that company. Frankly I love me some Pokemon but I think if their next console isn't good they might be looking at a fate similar to Sega.

CoinOPS 7 Gold Official Release

6:38 PM

Best arcade/console emulator I ever had

I was able to copy my games from my Wii to my Wii U.

I guess if people keep buying the same Mario game a billion times they'll be alright.

the new mario iphone game, mario run

they want 10$ for it

user4704

Seems typical.

Super Flappy Mario?

6:39 PM

People don't want to pay for mobile games what they are really worth.

mario run

@Sie That's basically the rumors I've heard.

user4704

It's not $10 up front, either.

I don't buy mobile games usually. I shit you not GORB was the only game I ever bought off the store.

it is 10$ after you play

you don't get the entire game from what I gathered

user4704

6:40 PM

It's almost certainly a $10 IAP unlock, yeah. So it doesn't seem that unrealistic to me.

That's not insane...

it said it was a 10$ one time payment

only nintendo could pull that one off

imagine if you tried that :)

I can't justify paying more than $5 for something I only play while pooping.

yeah, it better be good

user4704

And frankly, I hope it works for them. They have the capital to weather any loss of sales it might cause them and it could potentially help the ridiculously low prices in the market

6:41 PM

I'm willing to put 10$ on a GOOD mobile game

because there are really not many

If it is good, they screw it up with ads and nonsense -- attempting to monetize it

take my 10$ just don't screw it up.

This is nintendo's first actual mobile game too. so it will be interesting to see if they keep pumping out titles.

The one-time $10 payment I think is great.

Also, yeah, they might change the game.

others might adopt that model.

None of this "come on, give us another $10" after paying $500 over two years for shit like clash of clans

That is why the mobile market is shit now.

I'm all for free to try, but the milk 'em for all they're worth thing is horrible

6:44 PM

It has turned into a gambling dream.

I'm having trouble lately finding any free mobile games that seem worth downloading

I know someone who worked on one of the slots games... someone would get up, pay $50, play, pay $100 at lunch, play, pay $200 at night, EVERY DAY

It is not actual gaming -- it is literally a type of gambling that doesn't reward you anything other than flashing items and sounds.

yes they had paid tens of thousands of dollars

that just strikes me as not right

It is not right -- but look at the profits.

6:45 PM

yeah

What would you do if you had that IP

In-app purchase model is similar to the casino model: people with poor impulse control spending money they shouldn't be spending

I would turn it into Wine.

I don't get mobile games anymore really.

My son got a 15$ gift card

He spent it on fucken gems in some monster fighting game

6:46 PM

@PearsonArtPhoto there really is a lack of innovation in the mobile space as far as I can tell

It is how people play on mobile

My son spends a large sum of money playing Roblox...

user4704

I wonder how much money Steam actually brings into the trading card system.

Almost all of his allowance for months.

My son also plays roblox

6:46 PM

but you present those same people with something like Cognizer where they can pay once, they're like IT"S NOT FREE FUCK YOU

I'm now seeing Momument Valley ripoffs that don't have the Escher art--complete cons

He spent about 10$ on it

oh god roblox

Your son is lucky. I would be thrilled if my dad was a game developer. Instead I got a drunk who left when I was a kid lol.

Yeah i'm a drunk that sticks around

6:47 PM

my nephew was into roblox

it seems he just liked it because he could swear at people

user4704

(as opposed to people buying them from the internal economy)

my son is really good at it -- he tried making his own levels and stuff

that's cool man

Although, some of the items are ridiculously overpriced, lol.

i calculated some of the items in the store, i'm taking 5000, 10000 suits you can buy to put on your character

Does he have any interest in learning Unity? It's a super easy way to get into game dev.

6:48 PM

I mean converted to real money

5000$

Seriously, I can hardly believe the things my kids use their allowance for...

wow fuck

lol- those much be for the Rich Kids of Beverly Hills and such

Oh yeah , but he is 9 years old and not really ready to code in that type of environment yet

I thought LoL's $30 skins were on the expensive side

6:49 PM

Money that I had when I was a kid I either used to buy books, video games, snacks, or trading cards.

speaking of which, the 4th one of those is about to hit

it's 10-in-one.

My kids use theirs to blow on online games, and going out to eat primarily...

Well I saw the items... i put 10$ and he got like 800 robux -- then I see this item for like 40000 robux and I'm like.. there is no way.

can people get robux from other players somehow?

And it had hundreds of sales

6:49 PM

They are sold for 5k only inside steam

like "hey i like your level, here are some robux"

Roblox is pretty cool. You can make literal games in side of it. Pretty neat.

I was freaking out and meaghan was like... so what who cares?

They don't get sold by much more than 100$ with real money

I have a feeling the creator of the item can give it out to friends or something... there is just no way.

6:50 PM

Most games with IAP use them as a way to do something easier than you can do it for free.

And yeah my son attempted to create a game with their editor.

I look at that as a challenge, to not spend a dime on the game and still do well.

He made a level he can run around in... but I didn't want to learn their IDE.. ugh. lol

I guess I probably should

The worst are the games where they slow down advancement to the point of unplayability in an effort to squeeze money out of you

Walking Dead: No Man's Land for instance

Roblox is so.. meh

6:51 PM

Kids love it man.

My son has spend $60 on Roblox in 3 months (Including most of his birthday money)

I know, but it still sucks and you have to pay for it to have full access

See? wtf

Even in World of Wacraft I don't spend that much

you spend money to get items and stuff in the games

I've been thinking about maybe trying to see if I could teach a class at the high school level. For game dev.

Out of $70 he had in his account.

6:52 PM

Since they have programming classes already.

you don't have to put money into the game.

but you can get massive advantages if you do

click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=MfHvR/… is a good course if you are willing to spend a bit of cash for a course to teach Unity.

Time is literally money.

Its at a level that a complete newbie to programming could take it, at least in theory, and do alright.

time is merely your perception of life happening

6:56 PM

I think it's on sale this week, something like $11, well worth it in my opinion.

No idea if even could though. The school situation in this county (and in the US in general) is a cluster fuck.

You'd have to get a teaching certificate probably.

Part of the problem with mobile games is particular is that a large number seem to be designed around the monetization model, with the actual game as a secondary concern

It's so difficult to create truly novel games, it's not a workable model for serious companies looking to profit

Robolux is genius b/c it's all about community, much in the same way Minecraft was

But parents liked minecraft b/c it was an upfront monetization model as opposed to predatory

Robolux sounds horrible from that standpoint

@Almo

join me in gold league, where the players are cool

woa fuck!

really nice dude

7:10 PM

I have this new trick i figured out

i can get goals from the faceoff in certain conditions

i pulled it off 3 times

in 2v2 -- if you are in the diagonal front position at faceoff -- floor it, but don't boost until they start boosting

you will be slightly behind them, so they will hit the ball first -- knowing this think about where you want to hit the ball after he hits the ball

being in that diagonal position, if you hit the ball straight towards the wall, it will bound right in the goal every time

most of my goals are made by predicting where they are going to hit the ball

haha awesome

bet you want to play now

I do

7:30 PM

well you can't

haha :D

Ali.S

man... I really want to start playing that game :|

7:45 PM

Well my new video is almost done. Going to try to the lead programmer and see what happens. Last time I asked if I could use information about engine choice the company (Heavy Iron) sort of stone walled me.

rokit leeg?

best game of 2015, easy

Ali.S

@Almo yup

ok yeah, you definitely want to play that

Leggy7

8:41 PM

WOW!

I had a real help on the unity forum, that's unbelievable