Game Development

PearsonArtPhoto

4:00 AM

Contrast is bad for the text, the barrels are in the wrong location, but it all works when put together!

Just a bit of tweaking is all!

And with that, I'm sleeping. I'll figure the rest out tomorrow.

Sie

5:36 AM

So I'm finally starting mapping again. What should I do first? Proper assets, or just block things out with placeholder stuff. It seems like either way it's going to be a long road.

Sie

6:15 AM

Introduction to Super Mario Run

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How the great have fallen.

Uri Popov

7:08 AM

really nintendo

Lasse

9:48 AM

They are just following the trends after they saw how well pokemon go went in the beginning

jgallant

11:23 AM

lame ass site design I scrapped

Stack Exchange

12:39 PM

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Q: Community Wiki type questions, how to?

I've been thinking on creating various posts in the form of Community Wiki to gather information in an extensive way but I'm not quite sure of how to do it properly, so here is my idea. Step 1 present the topic: Examples of x mechanic in games, and develop the question. Step 2 create a pattern ...

jgallant

imdb.com/title/tt0091991/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

holy shit

this was made in 1986

here is a clip

ok wait i'm not gonna post it here, lol

it is that bad.

Slipp D. Thompson

2:05 PM

Hey all. I think I just spotted a typo in the OpenGL manpage docs. Does anyone here know GL's internals well enough to help confirm/deny my assumption?

The page is opengl.org/sdk/docs/man4/html/gl_FragDepth.xhtml and the sentence is “If a shader statically assigns to gl_FragDepth, then the value of the fragment's depth may be undefined for executions of the shader that take that path.”

It seems to me it should actually read “If a shader statically assigns to gl_FragDepth, then the value of the fragment's depth may be undefined for executions of the shader that don't take that path.”

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm

> That is, if the set of linked fragment shaders statically contain a write to gl_FragDepth, then it is responsible for always writing it

It seems reasonable but I have no idea

It is at least saying that if you may write to it you have to always right to it

Almo

you know, that's not terrible. I like what you have now better, but it's not bad

Slipp D. Thompson

Yeah, exactly. So if the execution takes the path that statically assigns gl_FragDepth then all is well, but if the execution doesn't take that path then you have undefined behavior.

Kevin van der Velden

Seems reasonable

Slipp D. Thompson

K. I'm going to report it then. If I can't figure out how to report Kronos documenting issues. [pun intended]

jgallant

3:02 PM

Steep open beta is apparently out on steam

not sure if you can play yet

naw its the preload

user92578

been fighting with a diagonal shooty thingy for a while, but here's a WIP pic of a potential final boss tank:

user92578

jgallant

ehehehe

it looks kinda weirdd man

user92578

I've been trying to draw a larger gun thingy on the red diagonal part above the two other guns

user92578

oh?

Almo

3:06 PM

@jgallant what kind of hardware you need to run that well?

jgallant

dx11 card

that is all they are saying

Sie

10 hours ago, by Sie

So I'm finally starting mapping again. What should I do first? Proper assets, or just block things out with placeholder stuff. It seems like either way it's going to be a long road.

user92578

greyblocking seems to be the way people start

user92578

that's what I've started doing: just laying out the floors and walls first, and filling stuff in and adding background tiles later once I've finalized the actual design

user92578

@jgallant could to elaborate jon?

jgallant

3:10 PM

i think the purple section at the top looks off

the entire purple pink portion is really strange to me

The cannons look like eyes

And there isn't much distinction between the front tires and the threads

user92578

like I had this idea of making a more narrow section at the top

user92578

shading is basically non existent

jgallant

From what I am reading people saying about their experience with Steep isn't so good

The controls are ok but need a lot of improvement. You can't grind, no manuals/butters, you can't really controll grabs and tricks. The most frustrating part is that any other material beside snow are like lava for the player, so any crazy tricks is restricted or almost impossible to do.

The can't grind and no manuals thing is kinda worrying... wtf?

Others have been saying you can't really trick in it...

Which makes me wonder what the hell is the direction ? a racer?

DH.

3:40 PM

@Tyyppi_77 That pink section feels off, and since the 2 small cannons are light blue, I wouldn't make the inside of the cannon pitch black

user92578

pink section was a few pixels off yeah, thanks

jgallant

4:08 PM

Face2Face: Real-time Face Capture and Reenactment of RGB Videos (CVPR 2016 Oral)

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Almo

soon, we'll be able to post video of Obama saying "kill the crackers" and we won't be able to tell if it was him or not

truth about what people say and do will become impossible to validate

user4704

4:28 PM

There was a Babylon 5 episode that addressed that topic :|

user4704

It's really disturbing how similar some of that shows underlying plots map to today.

Almo

yeah

Uri Popov

Sup nerds

Sie

@Tyyppi_77 Even for 3D games?

user92578

especially for 3D games

user4704

4:32 PM

Yeah, especially for 3D stuff.

user4704

We greybox nearly everything.

Sie

I guess it makes sense. No real reason to finalize something that is probably going to get changed anyway.

user92578

exactly

user92578

iteration speed is a very important factor in level design, that's why I made my own level editor

Sie

At least for Unity Pro Builder [Basic] has made level editing (or grey boxing) a breeze.

So much faster than using Blender or native tools.

user92578

4:34 PM

yeah that seems to be the go-to tool for 3D level design in Unity

Uri Popov

Greyboxing is fun

Having a bunch of cubes running around being actors is sureal

jgallant

killing grey boxes is what i love.

Kevin van der Velden

Grey boxing in VR must be entertaining

DH.

Greyboxing horror games must be fun

Sie

Suddenly I understand why they call it the Orangebox. I think.

user92578

4:43 PM

We went over the harmonic series in math class today
My python implementation has been trying to figure out how many elements are needed to reach sum 50 for like a good 30 minutes now

DH.

I really can't remember what harmonic series are

user92578

term is 1/n

user92578

it's an interesting series because even though when n tends to infinity and the general term 1/n tends to zero, the series doesn't converge

DH.

Ah right

Do you plan to do Computer Science course in university?

user92578

That's the plan

DH.

4:49 PM

Nice, you'll probably like it

Kevin van der Velden

Wait, 1+1/2+1/3+1/4 etc?

user92578

yeah

Kevin van der Velden

That converges to 2 doesn't it?

user92578

nope

user92578

1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 does

Kevin van der Velden

4:51 PM

Aaaah right

1/2^n

user92578

wait isn't converge the word there?

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah it is

Uri Popov

5:05 PM

Speaking about math we are on the verge of solving collatz

Some interisting stuff is comming out i think my friend is going to base his phd on that

Almo

woa

collatz struck me as easy to prove therefore since nobody had impossible to prove since those seemingly-easy things are often the worst.

user92578

that's awesome

DH.

5:20 PM

Someone put the relevant xkcd plz

PearsonArtPhoto

The Strong Collatz Conjecture states that this holds for any set of obsessively-hand-applied rules.

DH.

I feel pleased now

jgallant

You are easy to please.

PearsonArtPhoto

^

DH.

Jon is so mean

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jgallant

5:24 PM

You can refund people in your google play store now

PearsonArtPhoto

BTW, Unity 5.4.3 was released. unity3d.com/get-unity/download/archive

jgallant

It adds clowns

PearsonArtPhoto

@jgallant I've always been able to do so...

jgallant

`pre baked in clowns..

PearsonArtPhoto

Named Jon?

jgallant

5:25 PM

Hambone

PearsonArtPhoto

Wow, that's a lot of stars...

Kevin van der Velden

Uuuuuuuuuugh

And this is why we can clear stars

jgallant

i like that the only one left is the one about me being a prick

PearsonArtPhoto

It was the only one with 2 stars;-)

jgallant

the only one worth staring

PearsonArtPhoto

5:28 PM

Maybe the one with the updated Unity too, but...

Sie

Jon is the best person ever.

Pfft no stars for the truth?

PearsonArtPhoto

Sep 29 at 12:31, by DH.

You can't expect everything that Jon says to make sense, really

It seems DH gets stars by poking fun at Jon...

Sie

Have you accepted L. Ron Hubbard as your lord and savior?

Eric Andre - Black Scientologists

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jgallant

Eric Andre | Battling News Anchors

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this one is the best

Sie

This is one of my favorites...

Tea Party Time | The Eric Andre Show | Adult Swim

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The Eric Andre Show - Preview - J-Moe

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DH.

5:33 PM

@PearsonArtPhoto I get stars by stating the truth about Jon

Let's make a series, "Jon Exposed"

wtf who is trolling

jgallant

Sie

Eric at the RNC | The Eric Andre Show | Adult Swim

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jgallant

He is a pretty stupid character

Sie

Ya. I like his skits though.

jgallant

His act is basically a dumbed down version of tom green

Sie

5:39 PM

I bet that show is 10x better when high.

jgallant

He will put a bowl of cereal on his head and go in a subweay and say he got fired from the fruit loop factory

It doesn't make sense

Sie

I think he's trying to see how far he can push the envelope more often than not.

Cop Car Smash | The Eric Andre Show | Adult Swim

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I still wonder where the fuck they got that car from.

jgallant

"performance art"

DukeZhou

6:03 PM

I love that show

it's so frigging absurd

Andy Kaufman had a short lived, absurdist talk show back in the day

Andy Kaufman interviews his ex-girlfriend Elayne Boosler!

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jgallant

his desk is 10 feet off the ground lol

DukeZhou

6:19 PM

Kaufman is the grandaddy of them all!

Pip

@jgallant @ChrisMcFarland @Almo how long would you guys say it took you to get a working game prototype in Unity?

jgallant

what game?

i wrote games in a day in unity

DukeZhou

@jgallant btw- loving Gorb but I really wish the circles's faces rotated when they rolled. (Would greatly enhance the comic appeal imo)

jgallant

the issue with that is you wouldn't be able to tell what direction they are falling in

PearsonArtPhoto

6:35 PM

I've said the same thing.

At least the eyes rolling would be awesome.

Or some motion back and forth when occuring.

jgallant

i had tried some things

DukeZhou

It's actually a much more interesting game than Angry Birds, but has a similarly appealing aesthetic

jgallant

angry bird isn't a puzzle game though

at least I wouldn't call it a puzzle game

DukeZhou

Mostly not, but it is a solo endeavor where you have to figure out where to launch to maximize destruction

But GORB has the rewarding qualities of good puzzles, which is that it hones the logical part of the brain

My 6 year old niece will probably suck at it, but I think she'll also really love it

jgallant

hehe, yeah it was tested on an 8 year old

it gets hard too fast for kids

DukeZhou

6:41 PM

PS @PearsonArtPhoto I saw your screenshot yesterday of the game map. Looks good!

PearsonArtPhoto

:-)

jgallant

eBay said it sold an NES Classic console every 18 seconds on launch day
53 comments
Average sale price: $230

people are crazy.

PearsonArtPhoto

I should be able to get the rest of the loading of the ship done sometime this week. I'll probably set it up in such a way that I can change the type of ship fairly easily, although that isn't really on my to-do list for the moment, I might as well make it easy.

Wow, that's a lot of cash...

jgallant

ctvnews.ca/business/…

every parent I know have been trying to get their hands on this

it is insane man i want a palette of it just so I can resell them at 300$ a pop

DukeZhou

@PearsonArtPhoto upgrades are a huge "stickiness" factor. It might be worth releaseing a little later in order to have multiple ship options...

jgallant

6:45 PM

the issue with the demand here is that people that dont even want it will buy them all

PearsonArtPhoto

Oh, it'll be done for sure before I launch.

jgallant

just so they can flip them at a profit -- that is why there will not be any of these on the shelves before christmas.. they will be snatched up

PearsonArtPhoto

I just want to do other stuff first.

Sie

@jgallant *stupid

jgallant

heh, well ultimately this is what christmas is all about

PearsonArtPhoto

6:47 PM

Basically, as I'm having to re-do all of this anyways, I'm trying to add in plugs that will make it pretty easy to upgrade ships.

Also, I've been thinking a lot about customization of the ships, and I have a few thoughts.

The original free-formed version that I had in mind at first just seems a bit over-the-top.

I'm considering something that has more options.

jgallant

another thing you should be aware of

barrels were used in ships as they were rolled around

DukeZhou

As a lover of sea trading game, I'd say the more options the better

jgallant

you need to make sure the player knows that is why you have barrels and not crates

PearsonArtPhoto

For instance, a Caraval might have a package that focuses on upper-class passengers, packing as many people in as they can, just cargo, slaves, etc.

jgallant

its extremely important

PearsonArtPhoto

6:49 PM

I do know that now.

If I can get to it, there will be an animation of loading the ship, by rolling barrels around.

jgallant

haha, well yeah it was easier to manoeuvre the containers inside the ship -- that is why crates were seen on the top of the ship

larger parcels that didn't fit in barrels

PearsonArtPhoto

The last version I had essentially had a number of rooms that could be completely customized.

Yeah, that's the plan really.

DukeZhou

You should have regions that use cowrie shells as currency :)

PearsonArtPhoto

For right now, I want to try to figure out everything I want to do with a single ship, and get that right, while leaving a few hooks in to upgrade later on.

Currency is one thing I've basically ignored.

DukeZhou

Will people get to out the ships with different types and quantities of cannons?

jgallant

6:51 PM

epic sea battles?

DukeZhou

(assuming piracy is a factor)

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm thinking there will be something like 3 to start with, and maybe more, base models of ships.

Each base model can be customized with things like cannons.

Or use that area instead to store cargo.

DukeZhou

I could live with 3 initial options

PearsonArtPhoto

Pirates is something that is desired initially.

The trick is, the 3 base options will have lots of sub-options.

For instance, you could have a Caravel with, say, 50 cannons and lots of hammocks, but little room for storage.

jgallant

i always wanted to write a naval combat game

PearsonArtPhoto

6:53 PM

The combat is something I'll have to get to eventually.

DukeZhou

Did you every play any of the earlier Master's of Orion? Lots of ship options was a factor that made them great for me

PearsonArtPhoto

Yes, in fact I did.

DukeZhou

I'd be satisfied with abstracted combat vs. detailed, real-time tactical battles

jgallant

i'm be satiated

PearsonArtPhoto

Whatever I do I'm going to have it potentially work with Mobile, so...

DukeZhou

6:54 PM

I'd see it as just another risk/benefit calculation

Almo

@Pip Depends on the prototype and when it was relative to my experience level with unity

PearsonArtPhoto

Abstracted is probably better.

Almo

first one took a few days to a week

jgallant

haha you are slow

PearsonArtPhoto

I could say I had my first prototype in about a week.

But then again, my game still feels like a prototype.

jgallant

6:55 PM

Slomo-Almo they call him

Almo

This was involving using a joystick, which was a huge hassle at the time

this was probably... 2010?

I used blender to create my own assets for it, and that was a huge fucking hassle as well

DukeZhou

@Almo Cognizer pisses me off btw (in a good way)

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm thinking I'm going to do the next Ludum Dare, and use it to prototype an aspect of my game that I want to add in to it.

Almo

hahah :)

DukeZhou

How the fuck do I make mistakes!!!

Almo

6:56 PM

@DukeZhou it's definitely designed to fuck with your head.

PearsonArtPhoto

Let me think about this...

There will be 2 types of storage, internal and external.

External can handle big items, internal only smaller items.

jgallant

your welcome

PearsonArtPhoto

For the internal spaces, cannons are possible for the top row.

(FYI, I had that in mind for a while now)

Galleys, and dining rooms are also an option.

None of those will allow storage.

Storage will be allowed as raw storage, cabins, hammocks, and maybe smugglers compartments.

jgallant

what about stowaways?

or rats eating the cargo?

DukeZhou

I like the cabin options (draw for rich passengers) and the smuggler's compartments especially

PearsonArtPhoto

7:01 PM

Those will be included (At least rats, hadn't thought about stowaways), but...

I'm not quite there yet.

DukeZhou

also an option to keel-hauling stowaways ;)

PearsonArtPhoto

The trick is, how am I going to allow for doing all of that...

jgallant

what about plundering booties?

PearsonArtPhoto

Right now I'm focusing on designing the ship.

jgallant

1 ship?

PearsonArtPhoto

7:02 PM

A single ship for now.

Specifically, the interior portions of said ship.

Okay, so for the interior there are 3 options that don't store cargo, and 4 options that do store cargo (Counting people as cargo)

I'm planning to essentially measure the interior space by barrels that can be stored in that location.

Hmmm...

(I'm really trying to figure out the UI for this)

I guess I could have a dedicated ship building scene, or at least full screen view.

Sie

Every time I give my cat catnip he turns into a crackhead for like 30 minutes.

DukeZhou

@PearsonArtPhoto I like the full screen view

PearsonArtPhoto

The ship will have different levels, probably 3 squares per level in most places.

Choose the main class to the left, the size on the bottom. Maybe even a "luxury" factor.

DukeZhou

Seems straightforward, and should allow for easy expansion with bigger vessels

PearsonArtPhoto

The question then becomes do I want to manually place each item, or just allow for near automatic placement?

Pip

7:19 PM

both?

PearsonArtPhoto

I guess I could have an auto-place button. Hmmm...

Maybe on the right. You select the item, and can place it directly on the ship, or press a button on the right to automatically place x number in a calculated optimal location.

Okay, so there's 4 base types of spots for the ship, below water, above water, above the deck of the ship, and unusable.

Each of them can be used for different purposes.

Bálint

If I'm right, I may have just solved a bug I had for a week. Gotta love programming

Pip

nice!

PearsonArtPhoto

I had something that was bugging me for months. When I finally sat down to solve it, it took about 10 minutes...

I was so mad!

DukeZhou

I definitely favor manual placement over automatic, but I think I may be in the minority. (Of course, I'm way more hardcore than most when it comes to effort in with games)

Sie

7:23 PM

Why don't ya'll get alone string bean?

Pip

Yo @PearsonArtPhoto, do you have to go into play mode to view your game world or does it work in edit mode as well?

PearsonArtPhoto

The option to edit the ship will be only at port, when playing the game.

There will be some cost associated with it.

Pip

I meant like

In Unity

PearsonArtPhoto

Oh, that. It only works when actually playing the game.

Pip

got you

Bálint

7:28 PM

\o/ I solved my problem. If I would be over 18 and/or I wouldn't care about my IQ level I would probably open some beer.

DH.

Hey pip, did you got something out of Xenko? Or only took an overview?

Pip

just an overview for now

Engine seemed good, docs were not up to par with Unity's

I think once you know what you're doing, it's really nice

but at the same time, once you know what you're doing in Unity it's pretty smooth as well

/shrug

DH.

Well, if docs aren't as good as Unity it's a problem lol

Pip

lol yeah

DH.

Unity docs covers the basics and all you can do, but it lacks some problem solving stuff that only google or wall headbanging can save you

user92578

7:35 PM

Hi Pip, whatcha up-to these days?

PearsonArtPhoto

@Pip Not up to par with Unity docks... Wow, that's bad...

Pip

lol

The docs that are finished are fantastic

But there's more than a few that are missing or incomplete

I'm sure it'll improve once it becomes less beta

Not too much Tyyppster

School has eaten my life recently lol

Plus I've been sick for three weeks as of tomorrow

user92578

That sucks

Pip

Bronchitis + possible pneumonia which is super fun

Many, many meds lol

I'm feeling mostly better though so that's good

Almo

take pneumonia seriously. that shit almost killed me in 2009

I only know that because I looked up the antibiotic they gave me

Pip

7:39 PM

sleep has been hard to get dude :/

Almo

yeah very

Pip

Anyway I'm finally feeling good enough to sit in front of the computer and do something other than reading or watching youtube or whatever

I've forced myself to go to all but like 4 days of school these last few weeks, that's been rough too

But now it's time to pick up a programming project again :)

Unfortunately feeling crap kind of forced me to drop the project I was going to do for the Github Game-Off but whatever... I'll probably go back to working on that

Basically a stage-based Terraria clone kind of thing

"Hack/Slash/Mine in each randomly generated tile-based level, trade with some NPCs, move on and kill the boss" kind of thing

PearsonArtPhoto

Okay, so the last thing UI wise that I still need to figure out.

How should I load goods on to the ship?

I'm thinking of having a slider below the ship, similar to what I did before, but I want to know what you guys thing.

You slide to indicate how many goods you want to load on to the ship.

Up to the limit, of course.

Pip

holy shit

zdnet.com/article/…

>Britain has passed the 'most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy'

>The law forces UK internet providers to store browsing histories -- including domains visited -- for one year, in case of police investigations.

PearsonArtPhoto

Wow...

jgallant

8:00 PM

download all your creepy shit now boys

André Marques

hello

i have a problem in a unity tutorial that seems lots of people got but from what i saw nobody solved it at least i didnt saw the answer so the problem is that the scene is good the first time you run
http://imgur.com/a/zoBJb
but the second time u run it looks like this totaly different
http://imgur.com/a/qOynP

whats the problem? :s im new and in tutorial they dont say how to solve they dont even notice the bug

jgallant

looks like a lighting bug

André Marques

the strange thing is i have done alrady 2 other projects and this only happen in this one

is there anything i can do?

jgallant

8:15 PM

Have you tried performing the lighting dance?

Pip

3 hours ago, by DH.

Jon is so mean

lol

jgallant

it doesn't make sense that it changes when you run it a second time

the only way it would do that, is if you save some kind of playerpref

and modify the lighting in script

André Marques

it happens when the script calls the SceneManager.LoadScene

he calls that when player dies

so it runs again

jgallant

are there game objects under dontdestroyonload?

André Marques

where do i see that?

jgallant

8:19 PM

what version of unity?

André Marques

here's my hiearchy imgur.com/a/pSb9P

5.4.1

but let me check

yes its 5.4.1f1

jgallant

weird.

Pip

ayyy progress

right now each chunk is one mesh, and it has one material

I guess..... switch to generated textures?

André Marques

:s

jgallant

8:38 PM

it doesn't look like anything to me

Pip

just a tile-mesh proof of concept

André Marques

@jgallant should i just continue the tutorials and assume that this bug only occors because of the assets that unity provided to me to do the tutorial?

jgallant

8:55 PM

Yeah it is a strange glitch I would have to look at it.

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