Yeah, my parents made too much money, and spent it on themselves instead of a college fund.

And get good grades.

my school is more like $16k, I applied for scholarships like a part time job for 1.5 years before I started, and the school itself gave me $6k/year for my grades, I got two loans, and I'm still paying a nasty chunk out of pocket. don't count too much on scholarships.

@ShotgunNinja they have. and my grandparents, great grandparents too...

I say don't count on them, but work your ass off to get them anyway.

My school is $30k-$35k a year, for a private college with small, localized, very tough and comprehensive courses. And a 30% graduation rate.

Good ol' Milwaukee School of Engineering.

but my dad has no job right now, my mom hasn't had one for a long time. i may get grants after all

Awesome quality of education, terrible quality of life.

@PythonInProgress And they're putting money away for you? Either they are awesome parents, or they're gonna shaft you and take out of it to make payments eventually.

But once you get a job in software you'll make plenty of money.

It starts slowly, then before you know it, they've drained your college fund because the family car broke down, and they need a new one.

@ShotgunNinja yep. awesome parents

@PythonInProgress Cool.

and its locked away in my name, they can only add to it

I'm out for the night though, cya all

@Byte56 was that sarcasm?

cya

Later

@PythonInProgress so jealous. I may not like you now.

@IcyDefiance why?

@PythonInProgress No.

my parents set aside a nice sum of money for me, to get once I finish college

but I won't take them

@Byte56 are u sure? that sounds like sarcasm to me

Since I work in software, getting paid like I'm in software, I'm sure it pays well.

I'd rather work and earn money myself, and start from scratch

my parents decided to have 5 kids and not set aside money for anything other than their own retirement, not paying a single penny toward the college education of any of the kids, or even for gas money. they pay insurance right now because it's a lot cheaper to add onto the plan they already have, and I eat the food they buy, but that's about it

@AlexM. Good idea. Way more rewarding.

than look back 20 years from now at how I'm where I am because of my parents' money

@IcyDefiance it's a bit scary when you think parents are humans just like us

and might easily mess something up

@Byte56 ahh

I'm also routinely threatened with being kicked out of the house for trivial or semi-trivial things, fully knowing that would force me to drop out of college and lose almost all chances of working with computers within the next decade

thats worse.

D:

@IcyDefiance examples?

I was trying to get people to stop downloading things yesterday because I wasn't able to use the internet, and people started yelling at me and accusing me of wanting to be the only one allowed to use the internet at all, so I raised my voice back pointing out how fucking retarded that claim is. my dad walks in, says not to "shout" or he'll move me out.

ooh.... thats bad

in your own house?

he has a slight point though.... :P

@AlexM. parents house

it's still his

true

also since when can you read my messages

just refreshed the window eh?

alright

yeah if I had the money I would've moved out when I was 16 and cut all ties to my entire family, never to see them again under any circumstances.

anyway

can't do that and go to college, though.

I personally am not in the same situation as you

parents never threat me with kicking me out

instead, I hate each moment more that I have to spend in my parents' home

and want to leave

you hate your parents, or just depending on them?

@AlexM. yeah, actually restarted my computer

depending on them

they're cool parents, though I kinda wish they listened to me in some regards

fair enough. if I didn't have greater reasons to move out I'd probably have that one too.

if only they planned their decorations on a PC and built the bathrooms by thinking with contracts...

there'd be fewer maintenance issues

LOL

I get the "don't get the whole bathroom wet, the water will end up infiltrating the floor"

a fucking precondition for that shower to be there is for the floor to be completely sealed damnit

an invariant for the whole bathroom is to not allow water to infiltrate anywhere

but otherwise, they're awesome and helpful

I just wouldn't feel right depending or accepting their help

I'd like to move to a place with a cheaper rent next year, so I can pay for it myself

@PythonInProgress well thats weird but its not from the game its something wit youre pygame module

try uninstalling it

@IcyDefiance what's wrong on your side?

then reinstalling

@ChristianCareaga kk

ill try again

i have 2 many problems with this, its nice to have you here @ChristianCareaga

ahhaa sorry i was working on the game

:D

how's it going, btw

good daniel (my partner) is currently making it compatible with linux we are trying to spread the word about it but yeah just changing some small stuff

i saw

he was updating a ton of stuff

is that a problem maybe?

kk

here let me go check it out

k

@AlexM. @AlexM. my parents are batshit insane Christians (I'm not, but if they knew that I wouldn't be allowed back in the house). my only conversations with my dad involve him yelling at me, me trying to defend myself, and then me shutting up when he threatens to move me out. my mom is cool, but entirely apathetic and doesn't ever contradict my dad. two of my siblings are the typical "popular kids" who are really just jerks to everyone, especially me...

still sucks.... D:

that's not good

my youngest sister is cool; I just hope she's not corrupted by the others.

totally understand you wanting to move out

me 2

@ChristianCareaga ill be back in about 45 mins, gotta eat

I have no social life, other than the "friends" at the church I'm forced to attend twice a week. They're nice people, but completely stupid, and not capable of understanding anything more complicated than typical landscaping or farm work.

@PythonInProgress what was your email address again?

there are 4 people I met in War of Legends, and they're pretty much the only people keeping me even remotely sane for the last 3-4 years

I get that

@PythonInProgress kk the game is working fine for me

my grandparents are religious and a bit annoying in this regard

and due to myself being an asshole, I'm not exactly liked by many

longest time I kept a friend was 4 years, almost 5

I'm also an asshole, but I've been well trained to never show it under any circumstances.

bright side is, I'm productive and do a lot of stuff for myself

not so bright side is, I'm not eating pancakes with my classmates today

I've also been well trained to plan out every tiny little detail of what I do, at least 3 steps in advance, predicting how everyone around me will react and having at least 1 form of justification for every action I take that anyone is likely to notice.

I find one's personal achievements throughout life to be more important though

@IcyDefiance I'm currently in the process of teaching myself to shut up as much as possible

shutting up doesn't help. you have to always agree. always.

smile and agree, then go back to your stuff, yeah?

pretty much

I spend a lot of time staring at my phone because it usually causes others to not talk to me.

my classmates usually come to me when they need help

I just say I don't know and make them go away

I've also mastered the art of being part of a circle of people without anyone ever noticing my presence, and part of a conversation without ever saying a word.

lol I used to know a girl who would jump almost every time I did say something. -.-

if she didn't hit a block with a golden "?" on it, she wasn't the right type

haha

one that doesn't move and knocks her out cold >:)

meh ranting over. I'll try to play LoL, I think.

the day after tomorrow I'll be playing GTA

yay

after I'm done with the exam

From a school perspective I'm in the same boat as @ShotgunNinja - except its not that my parents screwed me out of money. It just worked out that my dad made just enough for me to not qualify for anything while needing to support four kids. On the plus side I do get the warm fuzzy feeling of paying for my crazy expensive degree all by myself, etc.

@AlexM. ward.programm3r@gmail.com

@ToddersLegrande that's not a warm, fuzzy feeling. you're probably hallucinating from the stress.

@ChristianCareaga ill try again :D

thanks

@PythonInProgress I'll send you a link to a book

ok, the pragmatic programmer?

read through it, skip the parts you might not understand completely

take notes on each chapter

Nah. I have one of those software developer salaries @Byte56 was talking about. While I'm still going to take forever to pay off my loans I'm 25 and doing quite well for myself.

ok

@PythonInProgress yeah becuase thats not a problem from the game thats a problem from the pygame module

mandatory: write down each separate tip that you find

@ChristianCareaga yeah

@AlexM. tip for what?

you'll see

ok

Byte:

Pip

I know he doesn't have the rep for chat.

ahh

It doesn't mean the comment system should be abused to act as chat :/

:/ can you let him in chat?

email sent

i cant

tnx alex

be sure to check the spam folder, the subject isn't nicely picked

if he's talking about the post I think he is, having a full answer before posting in the first place would probably be the proper course of action.

It would be possible for me to create a chat room for the two of you, however, you two working it out in chat doesn't help future visitors.

true

If I ever solve something in chat, I attach a link to the discussion, or summarize the results of the discussion in the question/answer

thanks @AlexM.

Ideally, someone would answer with an authoritative answer.

@PythonInProgress don't just browse through it, read it all, even if it takes a while

We'll try creating a chat room and see if we can get a good answer out of it.

@AlexM. i read about 3.5 pages per minute on the computer, 3 pages a minute if text

@Byte56 tnx Byte

@PythonInProgress have you tried it yet

@PythonInProgress you need to read and take notes

it's different

@ChristianCareaga i will, not yet. can i get back to you in about an hour?

@AlexM. true. i concur

yeah no problem

thanks Christian

@Byte56 is it set up?

working on it.

ahh k

Hmm

looks good to me

Other than I can't seem to grant him access.

oh. that is bad @Byte56

Looks like he has to create a chat account first.

ahh

tell him to go to chat.stackexchange.com and make his account

they should link together

I don't think that'll work.

You have to have at least 20 rep to create a chat account as far as I know.

hmm

can you give him rep?

i have only 6 rep, but my stackoverflow has 28, i created my chat account with stackoverflow, and use it here isntead

check if he has any other accounts

@Byte56 what a strange turn of events

I can't give him rep. He doesn't have 20 rep total for the network either.

@ToddersLegrande Yeah, we thought that was going to work. But I guess not :(

yeah

dang

@Byte56 can we upvote his question enough?

each upvote is 5 rep

so, 3 more votes @Byte56

4 votes would do it, but only if people feel like it's worth upvoting.

yeah

I don't feel like that question deserves an upvote personally.

D:

No research effort primarily.

yup

@ChristianCareaga @ToddersLegrande @VaughanHilts @AlexM. @JohnMcDonald @IcyDefiance can we all upvote this please: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/58185/…

@PythonInProgress and @Byte56 what are you guys talking about

im trying to get him to chat

ohh

a question im trying to answer

we cant do it without chat

ok there

and i cant upvote because i dont have enough rep on this site

thanks!

If we can't answer the question without chat... It's hardly worth voting up. Just some food for thought.

:/ yeah.

someone else could answer

Hello Andrew

How is he here? lol

12 rep

hax

we have a perimeter breach. Paging security.

++

SPEAKING OF WHICH

Motion to encourage everyone to stop starring the hell out of everything and to bring back "++"

He had 20+ momentarily, before the question got some downvotes. 16 here plus 5 on SO.

I always think of this each time someone says something like that

@Byte56 Ah right. Network rep. Good call

That's why they give you the blue name

Andrew, join this chat: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9414/…

@Byte56 to the rescue

now I can't undo my upvote

unless I edit the question I guess

Sounds like more hax

I think I need a sammich

If it wasn't worth an upvote before...

that's why I want to un-upvote

i just upvoted for the rep

This is what we call a bad use of the system

we're circumventing the 20-rep-for-chat since we have reasonable evidence he is not a spammer

Please don't edit just to undo your upvote.

lol

is someone/some question having too much rep better or worse than bumping a bad question to the top again for everyone

You know

you can just make a room for that

and give him write access?

That circumvents the rep requirement also

That's what I did.

People got a little carried away while I was working on it.

:D

sorry bout that

was trying to do it another way

@Noctrine make a room "for that" ?

For that specific question?

That question

Is there a button for that without adding too many comments?

Or is that a mod thing?

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/new

Anyone with 100 rep can create a room

ahh

@Byte56 what did you try that didn't work?

I'm confused

what are you guys trying to do?

Andrew didn't have a user profile on chat yet. So I couldn't add him. We were waiting for him to create one.

Oh that was all? Righto

I'm off to sleep

cya guys

Later pony boy

@ChristianCareaga Create a room for a new user to get the help they needed.

you want me to?

Campaign promises... I tell ya.

ok called what

You asked what we were trying to do

that was the answer

It's already done :p

Na, we got it.

ohh ok

Sorry. I wasn't trying to command. Just inform.

So, has the close vote muscle memory worn off yet?

I should do some game dev so I might actually end up asking questions. Probably my only chance at gaining rep!

I should too.... I wonder what language I should write it in.... hmmm.

I vote F# for you

Just because

jokes on you, I already have an F# engine

Nope.

lol

or maybe that actually means the jokes on me

Now you have no choice it seems

Go with anything else and its effort wasted

Start integrating Awesomium with your F# engine

it's better but still a meta-answer

?

ahh

i see

Yeah, it's still a "I don't know, but you might be able to find out this way"

what would you improve it by

"how do I decrease experience per use" is not straightforwardly answered by "here's a decompiler for the game"

i cant answer, i dont have the game

trying to help tho

You'd have to know how to do it, and give an accurate answer for doing so.

ahh

It's a hard question for you to answer then

@PythonInProgress your enthusiasm for trying to help is awesome

But yeah you probably shouldn't answer unless you know the answer :)

Or at least have a really educated guess at it

@ToddersLegrande thank you and true

I'll admit lots of my answers are educated guesses... :|

And I've pulled off a couple "meta-answers" as they seem to be called

i have a REALLY OLD version of the game that i "stole" from my friend, i could decompile that... OOH

good idea :D

But I tend to not participate on the site because I just don't know the answers. So I hang out in chat instead :)

older versions of the game dont' have experience

++

that was added right before retail

it is a retail version

minecraft is written in java rite?

i played it all the way until i lost the password

right

interesting

@ChristianCareaga I believe it is obfuscated

whats that??

who upvoted my answer? thank you!

@ChristianCareaga Made difficult to understand

java bytecode is straightforwardly decompilable to readable java

@ChristianCareaga That's what you'd say when you saw the code.

^ I like his answer better :)

oh even more interesting

Interesting... I was almost expecting to see more of a pattern here (Age vs Rep distribution): data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/122012#graph

Age is an untrusted input.

very true

it just gave me {"captcha":true}

im 13... :P