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Terran Swett
Terran Swett
12:42 AM
Y'know, I'd find it very, very interesting to sit down and have a good conversation with a wholehearted Trump supporter.
I know that they exist, and there are lots of them, but I have no idea what they're like.
Do they think that Trump doesn't lie? Do they hate the people that Trump hates? Do they think that anything that Trump does is automatically a good thing regardless of what it is?
 
 
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Halfthawed
Halfthawed
3:08 AM
@TerranSwett To answer your questions in order:
No.
Not necessarily but in some cases yes.
Absolutely not.
Though, of course, I wouldn't call myself a 'wholehearted Trump supporter'. I just view politics as a binary choice between the two candidates and choose from there.
 
 
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Gryphon
Gryphon
11:35 AM
@TerranSwett I don't think anybody thinks Trump doesn't lie.
@TerranSwett I'm also not sure there are very many wholehearted Trump supporters. In 2016 Trump performed almost exactly like Romney did in 2012. The primary difference between the two elections is that Hillary is possibly the worst politician in American history (evidenced by the fact that she managed to lose to Donald Trump, the candidate she openly wanted to run against), so her voter turnout numbers were abysmal.
Trump got most of the usual Republican vote, by virtue of being a Republican candidate holding Republican views.
 
 
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AndyD273
AndyD273
1:54 PM
@TerranSwett I'm a Trump supporter, I'd be down with a good talk.
Either in here, or voice/video through hangouts
Or other voice channel... That might be better since I'm not the fastest typist, and humor might translate better than text
 
Hosch250
Hosch250
They forgot to nuke my chat account, LOL.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@Hosch250 Hey
What's your discord ID?
 
Hosch250
Hosch250
I was checking on some chat channels I used to be part of. That one won't expire.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Cool
I was going to ask you an azure question
 
Hosch250
Hosch250
OK, I'm heading out again. Feel free to share that with anyone.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
2:36 PM
In order:
1. No, but it's mostly hyperbolic exaggeration, and I don't take it seriously. The Washington Post had an article about Trump possibly being the most honest president in US history (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-could-be-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history/2018/10/11/67aefc5a-cd76-11e8-a3e6-44daa3d35ede_story.html), with some good points. And they don't seem to like Trump.
2. Who do you think Trump hates?
3. No, but I don't think that about any human ever. If Trump does good then I say Good Trump. If Trump does something I don't agree with then I say that t…
@Gryphon Well, considering that Trump got both 99% of the vote in the 2020 primary, but also had record turn out (compared to the medium turnout in the DNC primary), I'm sure that there are no real Trump voters, and you should just rest easy. Everything is fine.
 
 
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Gryphon
Gryphon
4:43 PM
@AndyD273 My point wasn't that there are no Trump voters (although looking back at what I wrote, it wasn't particularly clear, so I can see how you'd get that impression). It's that Trump voters are almost all just normal Republican voters, and the vast majority of them aren't fanatical lunatics for Trump any more than any of them were for Bush. The media portrayal of "there are millions of stark-raving mad Trump fans who could start a civil war or something" is not accurate.
I guess my main point was that most of Trump's fabled massive "base" of "deplorables" are kinda just ordinary Republicans who aren't infatuated with the man, but just like his policies and kinda wish he wouldn't tweet the 5% of the stuff he tweets that's actually bad.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
5:26 PM
@Gryphon Ah, yeah, then I'd agree with that.
Sorry for mischaracterizing what you wrote :)
 
Gryphon
Gryphon
Not a problem, I definitely could have found a clearer way to say it.
 
 
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Gryphon
Gryphon
6:36 PM
So is it just me, or is every major candidate for president now officially a creepy old dude. We have Trump with that wonderful "grab them by the you-know-what" line, Biden likes giving young women shoulder rubs and said "If someone in this room got up and took off all their clothes and walked out the door, no man is allowed to touch her," and now we have the lovely Sanders essay talking about female rape fantasies and the other one claiming that women who don't have orgasms get cancer.
 
 
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Terran Swett
Terran Swett
7:49 PM
@AndyD273 Yeah, I'd love to know your thoughts on this and that.
What do you think of Trump's family separation policy?
Do you think Trump's policies are good for people in poverty?
 
Halfthawed
Halfthawed
8:08 PM
The 'family separation' policy was based on policies implemented during the Obama administration, and most of the publicized pictures were actually taken before Trump took office. Not to mention that there are a large numbers of criminals who acquire children and try to use them to cross the border. Some forms of these laws are necessary as a result of this.
That said, there were certain things that happened which *weren't* good, like the fact that they didn't keep record and they didn't try to reunite families together.
@TerranSwett Census.gov says yes, poverty rate is 11.8 percent, lowest its been seen 2007.
 
Feeds
Feeds
8:24 PM
 
Gryphon
Gryphon
8:44 PM
@Feeds Astronomy crossbows sound way better than normal crossbows.
@TerranSwett Yeah, the family separation began during the Obama Administration and is being phased out. Apparently, over 95% of families have now been reunited: dailywire.com/news/… (admittedly the source is right-wing, and based on a Republican study, so take it with a large grain of salt)
@TerranSwett You'd have to be more specific about which policies specifically. In general, I think his policies are mostly good for the economy, which is good for poor people. There are some specific policies I'm not a fan of (for example, I don't like some of the tariffs although some others have been very effective).
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@TerranSwett As @Halfthawed said, it was just continuing policy left over from Obama. Trump reunited more families than Obama did.
By an large his policies have been really good for both poor and middle class; lowest unemployment in a long time, lowest minority unemployment ever, wage gap between wealthy and poor has shrunk by a lot. Huge growth in jobs, especially in the low to middle entry points.
on and on
@Gryphon And you have to go to those sources, because insiders have admitted that they will literally spike stories that show trump in a positive light.
That's lying for political gain
 
Gryphon
Gryphon
9:00 PM
Yeah, just being honest. Just saying that I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the number was more like 80%-90% before massaging the data, because partisans gonna partisan.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Could be, though I will point out that the Daily Wire will publish stories critical of Trump, and has quite often
 
Gryphon
Gryphon
@AndyD273 Yeah, CNN, ABC, MSN, HuffPo, and NYT are all very clearly left-wing outlets. Which isn't an inherent problem, everyone's gonna have some slant on their news, you should get it from both sides and where they agree is probably true. My problem is that they claim to be objective.
@AndyD273 Oh yeah, they're not blindly "Trump is our lord and savior" by any means, but the article is based on a Republican study, so... again, partisans are gonna partisan.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
9:23 PM
I'm just curious if you would, or ever have said "but they are partisan, take it with a large grain of salt" any time CNN et al have said something critical of Trump... :)
 
Gryphon
Gryphon
10:15 PM
@AndyD273 Given that I'm typically defending Trump it's never really come up. I do believe I've said something along the lines of "that's clearly a partisan site" while arguing with someone who was using a source from HuffPo for an argument over Trump's tax cuts though.
 
 
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Shalvenay
Shalvenay
11:48 PM
@Gryphon most "classical" news sources tend to fall on the center-left in the US (I'd say MSNBC/HuffPo are further leftward, but not by too much in the grand scheme of things)
 
Terran Swett
Terran Swett
@AndyD273 Are you saying that separating immigrant children from their parents has been less common under Trump than under Obama? If so, where did you get that information?
 

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