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Universe Factory - Medium: Building the world of The Juggernaut

posted on May 12, 2017 by Monty Wild

Part 1 The Juggernaut is a story of first contact between humans and aliens that doesn’t go too well at all. It is also a fairly hard-science giant ‘monster’ story. Readers should be warned that this occurs in modern times, with a little bit of human and alien sex (with more detail in the latter scenes than in the former) and a whole lot of human deaths — on a scale never before seen in human h…

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4:34 AM

@FutureHistorian Boosting smaller Orion vehicles into LEO is not a new idea. It doesn't matter what boosters you use. Basically this loses effectively all of the advantages of Orion spacecraft. Once that happens, there is almost no point using nuclear pulse propulsion for spacecraft. This is a matter of history. See George Dyson's Project Orion: The Atomic Rocket 1957-1965 (Allen Lane, 2002). And, yes, George is the son of Freeman Dyson. I didn't propose non-nuclear pulse charges lightly.

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5:54 AM

Should I make some modifications to this question, or it's good enough? (I don't know because of the downvotes.)

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

Question title: Would this Plasma/Laser weapon be feasible? Question: Would the handheld laser weapon, described bellow be feasible with sufficient amounts of advance in battery technology? Sounds simple enough? Well, it's not. But first: Why are lasers inefficient? A: We also need power for ...

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7:11 AM

Morning WorldBuilding

Mithrandir24601

Rytsas @Secespitus

Hello @Mithrandir24601

BTW: What language is "Rytsas"?

Mithrandir24601

@Secespitus High Valyrian :)

Interesting. Is it difficult to learn Valyrian?

Mithrandir24601

7:28 AM

It's still in the early stages of not having that many words, so learning vocab isn't too bad. To me, the grammar seems very similar to latin (I don't know any latin, this is just what I've gleaned from the few people I've talked to about the grammar of latin)

So I haven't learned everything in it yet (by a very big margin), but so far, it's been reasonably not-too-bad and quite enjoyable

@Mithrandir24601 Sounds interesting. Though I've got to admit that I hated Latin in school...

I want to learn Japanese, but I don't have the time at the moment. How did you come up with the idea of learning High Valyrian?

Mithrandir24601

@Secespitus If you're at all interested in GoT, it's nice to have some sort of idea of what's going on when they start speaking it when they go into Valyrian, without needing to look at the subtitles. Also, it sounds really nice! (although maybe that's just me...)

That's basically why I want to learn japanese. I am not a big GoT fan, I always thought those passages were pretty short where they talk in Valyrian.

Mithrandir24601

@Secespitus Yeah, Japanese would be nice - I also like the sound of Mandarin (it just sounds so musical to me). I just stumbled across this one day, then found this, and kept going with it

"Valyrian 101 - Common Phrases: 'Where are my dragons?'"

That's how every language should start

Mithrandir24601

7:41 AM

:D

@Secespitus I really like the TV show, now that it's got a good budget and is into the swing of things and the books are also really good, but there are better books out there

One friend of mine was reading the books and she loved them but didn't like the show. A few others started at some point with the show and were regularly watching it together. When we met for an evening we often watched an episode or two. It was funny to always only watch a few episodes of each season.

I was always like "What happened to that guy?" "Dead" "And xyz?" "Also dead" "please don't tell me that asdf..." "You guessed it."

Mithrandir24601

There have been a couple of times where I've been like 'well, that's half the cast gone'

I've learned to afraid of weddings

Mithrandir24601

Although some of the things that weren't a shock in the TV show (Stark's beheading) were a massive shock in the books. It was one of those "there's no way this is going to happen... He's just waiting until the last moment to do what he said he would... This is a main character, there's no way whatsoever GRRM will kill him off. Surely... :O :O WHAT???"

That was also a bit of a shock in the book. There was a moment when one of the characters noticed other characters wearing armour and was just like 'oh no'. Then everything exploded

I think that's a pretty important part of his books and the show. Most authors nowadays are like "It's an important character - he has to survive everything" and he's like "Let's shake things up a bit so I can introduce this new bunch of people!"

Mithrandir24601

7:53 AM

Yeah - it's refreshing (erm... Might be the wrong word) to read a book and genuinely be on tenterhooks every time one of the characters get into a dangerous situation as they might actually die

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9:21 AM

How should I handle this edit suggestion by an anonymous user? The edit suggests a certain game where the author only said "RPG". There are no comments indicating that the suggestion is in fact the game played by the OP and the Wikipedia-Page doesn't contain any information about an economy based on bullets, which is the topic of this question.

I'll skip it, as I can't say if this edit is in the authors best interest and can't say that it's wrong at the same time, but I would like to know how others would handle this case.

It bugs me when bad answers get upvoted and accepted. Imagine the Brit accent of “The Doctor’s” companion questioning, “A geocentric orbit over the north pole?” Dr.: “All moons are geocentric. That’s just a fancy way of saying it’s a moon.” companion: “But the North Pole?” Dr.:“I like the North Pole.”

@JDługosz If it's wrong the answer is "not useful" and should therefore be downvoted.

Comp: “But,…” (making orbital motions with hands and waving arms) “isn’t that against the laws of celectial mechanics?” Dr.: “They got a variance.”

@Secespitus care to join me, then? Get it back to zero, anyway.

@JDługosz Done

@JDługosz Can you help me with handling this edit suggestion? As I said before your post I am not sure how that one should be handled.

@Secespitus I’ll take a look…

I rejected it. It's from an anonymous reader, too, and not the same IP address as the OP.

9:40 AM

@JDługosz Okay, thanks.

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11:38 AM

hey there @Mithrandir24601

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Mithrandir24601

1:00 PM

I'm a bit late, but rytsas @Shalvenay

Enigma Maitreya

@Mithrandir24601 Do you know who Shog is?

@EnigmaMaitreya He's a in charge person.

Higher level than a mod. Like a whole network mod.

@EnigmaMaitreya Why do you ask?

Mithrandir24601

@EnigmaMaitreya Shog9 is yeah, important. Super important as far as SE sites are concerned

As @Bellerophon said

Enigma Maitreya

@Bellerophon Just trying to gather information on what happened to Mos Eisley and what comes next.

@EnigmaMaitreya chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/58631/cog-diss The new Mos.

Enigma Maitreya

1:10 PM

@Bellerophon Thanks that is good enough

As far as what happened, some users who had been warned were acting inappropriately and it was decided to shut down Mos..

Enigma Maitreya

@Bellerophon I can believe that. Again thanks

2:03 PM

oh, hey, the new Mos room's name is also a reference to HGttG

good choice, though I think after recent events it might be safer to stick around here

@DaaaahWhoosh What happened at Mos?

@Secespitus Bad stuff.

@Secespitus some dude got his arm cut off, another guy got shot first

there were some racist policies regarding droids

plus, what seems to have been a combination of locker-room talk and survivorship bias

oh, wait, is locker-room talk something the Republicans made up?

I want to use it to describe people talking in a way that the people they're talking to are okay with, but that other people would not be okay with when overhearing

I think it works well enough for the purpose you're using it for.

Okay, thanks for the information.

"Users known for being troublesome in the past continued to be troublesome in a room well-known for troublesome behavior."

I didn't know Mos was known for being troublesome

2:16 PM

it's a den of scum and villainy

but also, like I said, survivorship bias. Most people only see the chat flags from that room, so they assume all it is is flag-worthy things

@Secespitus It is. It has been frozen before and has some pretty borderline conversations.

I'm usually off at the times it is worst but I have seen some stuff that probably should get users banned.

@DaaaahWhoosh Hive.

... That sounds pretty aweful

@Bellerophon huh, Google searches suggested 'den' was correct.

Good thing Factory Floor was the first chat I visited on the SE-Network. I always only briefly visit other rooms

yeah, the worst thing we have here is @TrEs-2b. And he's mostly better now

(I mean 'worst' in the best possible way)

2:20 PM

@DaaaahWhoosh Pretty sure it is hive.

That's what Stack Exchange says.

@Secespitus I visited Mos Eisley first and it didn't to me any harm.

@DaaaahWhoosh I mainly know Tres for his website based puns in the chat. And for his great "Anatomically Correct"-Series on the main site.

@Secespitus yeah, there's not much bad about him. But a while back he got banned from chat a couple times

Maybe that was before I was active here. At least I can't remember it.

yeah, I recall you being somewhat recent.

I started being an active member at the beginning of 2017

The first post was 16.01.2017 and it took me a while to get to the chat

Enigma Maitreya

2:28 PM

@DaaaahWhoosh Why I went looking for my good Friend Marvin to cheer him up a bit.

@Secespitus oh yeah, this was probably around a year ago

Enigma Maitreya

@DaaaahWhoosh What is "survivorship bias"?

Survivorship bias

Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias. Survivorship bias can lead to overly optimistic beliefs because failures are ignored, such as when companies that no longer exist are excluded from analyses of financial performance. It can also lead to the false belief that the successes in a group have some special property, rather than...

@EnigmaMaitreya If you ask lottery winners if investing in the lottery is a good life-savings plan, they'll say it is.

I like the example of people looking at bombers coming home from missions. Some people say "let's add armor to where the most bullet holes are", other people say "let's add armor to where there are no bullet holes, the planes that got shot there didn't come home"

or the "cats can survive freefall" idea. More cats taken to the vet for long falls survived, but no one knows how many of them never made it to the vet

Enigma Maitreya

2:32 PM

I am just being dense this morning I assume your aluding to if you don't get banned you survived?

m.xkcd.com/1827

Or the fact that we turn to celeberties to hear "follow your dreams" and nobody turns to the near-homeless guy who got a basic psychology degree to hear "follow your dreams."

Enigma Maitreya

@NexTerren Thanks I am trying to see the applicability to a chat room

@EnigmaMaitreya no, I mean if there are 100 chat messages and 2 of them get flagged, people will only see the flagged messages and assume everything in the room is that bad

@EnigmaMaitreya "People only see the flagged messages, and judge the entire population of the messages on the flagged ones."

Enigma Maitreya

2:34 PM

@DaaaahWhoosh Ok, now I understand ....

it's like the problem we had/have on Worldbuilding where people only see the questions that get on the Hot Network Questions list

Enigma Maitreya

@NexTerren Or the celebrity that rails on some one about abuse of people, being totally unaware her industry has the greatest abuse record ever?

@DaaaahWhoosh I wrote a query that sorts by lowest voted questions. That's how I view World Building!

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@EnigmaMaitreya That seems more like hypocrisy to me? Not sure if that's the best example.

@NexTerren I'm pretty sure most of us have a great answer sitting at 0 upvotes

Enigma Maitreya

@NexTerren Just more in the line that we see a pretty face, a celebrity, a politician and we think they have a better answer than someone not pretty, not a celebrity, a politician and I think that is what you are saying. I could add an MD over a Nurse etc.

2:42 PM

Right, but the reason they're visible needs to directly impact/tarnish the survey from them.

Like the bomber example, examining damage on the *surviving* bombers is flawed since the observed characteristic (damage) fundamentally changes the resulting members to survey.

Enigma Maitreya

2:52 PM

"M13: The Great Globular Cluster in Hercules ", apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap170512.html I have always wondered what the night sky, if possible for there to be one, would actually look like "the cluster core upwards of 100 stars could be contained in a cube just 3 light-years on a side. For comparison, the closest star to the Sun is over 4 light-years away"

I have heard, though, that the stars in star clusters are not the sort to likely support life

so maybe we could go there someday, but it probably won't be worth it to try to live there

Enigma Maitreya

Yes, but might be a good place to build in :)

@DaaaahWhoosh nah I'm great. Y'all love me

@TrEs-2b but you did bring the mods down on this room a couple of times

Left side of your body blown off in an explosion?

Go to www.ImAllRightNow.com

Journeyman Geek

3:08 PM

._.

see? look what you've done

@TrEs-2b Long time no see, Tres.

Journeyman Geek

Is that stand up comedy? If so good sir, you ought to find yourself a seat

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Howdy

Just been busy with life lately, haven't been on much

life is overrated, chat is all there is

3:15 PM

@Secespitus Puns are great and you very well know it

holy crap, buildings kill half a billion birds a year

Congratulations buildings. Birds you should try harder.

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Really?! I love the world, we live in a beautiful time

running into wind turbines I can understand, but just smacking into buildings by the millions is crazy

Evolution at its finest

This is how we get birds that can see better than telescopes

3:23 PM

@DaaaahWhoosh Those glass windows!

@NexTerren I'm now imagining a large animal that has evolved a reflective face, so birds just fly into its mouth

Has anyone seen the new bill wurtz video?

(I have not)

history of the entire world, i guess

It's great

oh yeah, I considered watching that this morning

but then I didn't

3:31 PM

Yes, that is how choices work

indeed. I think I decided instead to see what jokes people were making about Trump firing the FBI director

I wish I could star an entire exchange like that. "Oh yeah, I considered doing that this morning. But then I didn't." "Yes, that is how choices work."

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@NexTerren you're not going to get me to star the summary

@DaaaahWhoosh I have a weaker will than you...

nooooooooooookay then actually it's not that bad

I have this window under my email window, so I can never see the starboard anyway

3:53 PM

@TrEs-2b Yes they are

4:11 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

The state in question exists in a pre-industrial world, which is separated from a parallel reality called The Warp by a thin barrier. This barrier protects the world from the denizens of The Warp and its corrupting influence. The Warp exists everywhere, in people's homes, where they work, etc. In...

4:30 PM

@Bellerophon Aw, come on. I'm trying to avoid scope creep and you're introducing sociopolitics! :P

Sorry.

I'm not really getting on you; you made me laugh with the comment.

We all know that @Bellerophon is right

Interesting question btw

@Secespitus Thanks!

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Enigma Maitreya

5:38 PM

@DaaaahWhoosh Just for the record and in a safer place that hopefully does not escalate. I try very hard, NOW, to avoid references to top political people in the U.S. Political system, because of the apparent intense polarization of the nation seems to be ... ready for conflict. I for one would rather not make others .... uncomfortable.

@EnigmaMaitreya yeah, I see your point. I keep forgetting that it's hard to tell that I'm not serious

Enigma Maitreya

@DaaaahWhoosh Shrug it is just a reflection of were we are and with luck we will return to a more .... tolerant society. I took the risk that you might take it differently, thanks for not going there.

I'd like to think that we aren't that close to revolution yet. But I guess when we are that close I probably won't notice until it's too late

Enigma Maitreya

@DaaaahWhoosh Historically that has always been the case such as Mos was apparently blind sided.

I just tag it as "It is not the things you do not know that will get you, it is the things you know to be true that are not, they will get you every single time"

Wait... Americans think about revolution these days?? I've got to say that worries me a bit :D

5:45 PM

@Secespitus I have this vague feeling like the last election was like the one that caused the Civil War, except this time Lincoln lost

plus, people are now making comparisons to Hitler and Nixon. Things aren't necessarily going well, but like I said I don't think anything drastic is going to happen yet

People are always making comparisons to Hitler

Enigma Maitreya

@Secespitus It is possible, there are enough states aligned and commited to a constitutional referendum. That could change PEACEFULLY the make up of the US. It is currently the fringe on each side that are boiling the water. We are now at a time were either it gets hotter or it doesn't. But I do NOT think it will be a shooting thing, it will be done within the constitution.

I don't really think a Civil War is possible any more. I just can't imagine how it would work

Interesting. I thought people just don't like Trump, but more like: There are always people who hate that their candidate didn't won.

Enigma Maitreya

@DaaaahWhoosh Totally agree and there is not a reason for a shooting civil war.

@Secespitus You all may be to young to remember this, but when I was young and a young voter, you heard both sides, you decided, you voted, if you lost you got 100% behind the winner. There as no "mud racking" .... well not at the extreme level it is today.

5:52 PM

@EnigmaMaitreya That's my personal take on elections anyway. But a lot of people think different. They want their candidate to win, because everything else is to some degree evil in their view.

Future Historian

Gentlemen?

@FutureHistorian Gentleman?

Future Historian

If I had a fictional moon in orbit around HD 37124 c that is 1.7 Earth masses, 1.1 Earth radii and has 1.41 Earth Gees of gravity, how can intelligent life develop there?

NOTE: HD 37124 c is orbiting the Mars end of the parent star's habitable zone.

Enigma Maitreya

@Secespitus I agree that is were we are today and I would add, that in my opinion, it is an very small minority now vs trump and a very small minority vs obama before. The media is playing it up for the money.

Future Historian

So......

The local star is 0.81 Solar Masses and 0.92 Solar Radii.

It is a G4 class star.

5:54 PM

@EnigmaMaitreya The media definitely has an important role in political matters and in the opinion the public forms.

Future Historian

So?

@FutureHistorian I would love to help you, but I have no idea.

I don't know anything about this topic.

@FutureHistorian What about violent men, all forms of women, non-binary gender people and animals. Not forgetting plant, bacteria, virii and fungi of course.

Future Historian

That being said, I should point out that HD 37124 c's semi-major axis is about 1.71 AU.

From the star.

@Bellerophon You forgot things

Future Historian

5:56 PM

@Bellerophon? You do realise I am trying to find out what kind of life would develop on such a world, on top of that, how an intelligent, interstellar civilisation originating there would be like.

SPOILER WARNING: This is the Gdarje home moon.

:P

@Bellerophon What if I identify as a computer? ;)

Future Historian

So? What kind of creatures can I expect on such a world?

@Secespitus Protasoa. I knew I forgot one kingdom.

@FutureHistorian Everything you want...? Maybe?

@Bellerophon Don't you mean Protozoa?

@FutureHistorian You are building the world. If you don't know what to expect how should we?

Future Historian

5:58 PM

I meant in a real life kind of thing.

As in: what kind of restraints can I expect when making the creatures on this planet?

@FutureHistoriann That's a different question.

Future Historian

Oh......

Well, I know I am building the world, but remember: I am using a fictional moon in a real life star system.

@FutureHistorian We don't know enough about the planet to give you a meaningful answer anyway.

Future Historian

Well, I will link the wikipedia article for the HD 37124 system.

@FutureHistorian I'd populate it with unicorns and glitter faeries but that's just me.

Future Historian

6:00 PM

HD 37124 is a yellow dwarf star approximately 110 light-years away in the constellation of Taurus (the Bull). Three extrasolar planets have been found to orbit the star. == Planetary system == As of 2011, three extrasolar planets have been found to orbit the star. Announced in 1999, the first planet (HD 37124 b) was discovered orbiting its parent star around the inner edge of the habitable zone, causing the planet to have a somewhat similar insolation to that of Venus. A second planet became apparent by 2003, thought to orbit in a 1940 days on an eccentric orbit, but this was subsequently found...

@Secespitus Yes. sorry.

Future Historian

This page should give you links to each world in there.

@FutureHistorian The wikipedia article doesn't give us enough information to provide you a meaningful answer.

Future Historian

And fun fact, the system is 110 light years from our Solar System.

@sphennings I want dragons!

6:01 PM

@Secespitus Only if they're rainbow dragons. Otherwise the bunnies will devour them.

Yeah! Rainbow dragons!

Future Historian

Well, fine.

I will give you some fictional information within that system.

@Secespitus Doesn't fit into a Linnaean taxonomic kingdom so it doesn't exist.

Future Historian

HD 37124 is a yellow star. The home moon of Fanghdar (the Gdarje home moon), is basically a former planet that was captured by HD 37124 c early in its formation, and HD 37124 c is in the system's Mars habitable zone.

In my world they're explicitly implausible. Scientists have tried to explain this to them. Other (more cautious) researchers have observed that a large part of their diet is made up of pedants complaining about their implausibility.

6:04 PM

@Bellerophon I am pretty sure I exist

Future Historian

So, @Secespitus? Do you know someone in this site that can help?

@Secespitus What kingdom do you fit into?

Future Historian

Because at the moment, I just want some information on what kind of features would be necessary for life to adapt to this world?

@FutureHistorian Those words you use are used by people who answer orbital-mechanics questions. Maybe HDE, Kingledion, Andy, Green, ... A lot of people, they just don't seem to be online right now

Future Historian

Oh and NOTE: Fanghdar's atmosphere is more or less similar to Earth's, but since it is 1.7 Earth masses and 1.1 Earth radii, it is actually thicker.

6:06 PM

@Bellerophon My own

Future Historian

So, atmospheric pressure is higher there than on Earth.

:P

@Secespitus I still don't believe in you.

@Bellerophon I belong to a constitutional democracy. we got rid of our king a couple centuries ago.

Mithrandir24601

@Secespitus I can tell you what various terms mean, but I can't actually answer any of @FutureHistorian's questions (I know nothing about biology)

Interestingly the US has more biological kingdoms than the UK.

6:09 PM

@Bellerophon But I believe in myself. I am like my own god

Future Historian

Well, @Mithrandir24601? Can you at least try to think of the basic restraints I have?

Because I am horrible at biology as well.

@Mithrandir24601 The terms alone would not make me an expert in suggesting restrictions for life on a different planet

@FutureHistorian I know biology just not space biology.

Future Historian

I just need key restraints to know for developing life on this particular exomoon/former planet, so I can then figure out how the Gdarje civilisation is like before they go into interstellar travel.

@sphennings Then you are fools. Kings are the best.

Future Historian

6:11 PM

The one thing I know is that by the time they first leave their home moon, they need bigger rockets than Earth's.

So.......

And the gravity is 1.41 Earth gees or 13.8321 m/s^2.

@FutureHistorian That seems to be a later stage than the development of life

@FutureHistorian You could just rule of cool it. If you don't attempt to talk all science like and write a good story nobody's going to care that you got the gravity on the planet wrong.

Future Historian

So.......

Don't we have questions about higher gravity? I'd say stronger bones and more muscle for your animals

Future Historian

Well, I am specifically referring to the development of intelligent life (even more specifically, spacefaring technological civilisation).

6:12 PM

They'd have thicker bones than our species. Not so much extra gravity that 2 legs is impossible.

I guess birds would have larger wingspan to body ratios depending on the atmosphere.

Mithrandir24601

@FutureHistorian My main concern would be that trapping a planet isn't a great start for life evolving - it'll have been travelling through deep space for a while, so will be dead, which isn't a great start...

Future Historian

It was already part of HD 37124.

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Q: Would the human body support living on planets with a greater gravity than Earth?

I once read a novel about a prison-planet which was chosen to make the prisoners suffer. One of the different "tortures" was a gravity three times higher than that on Earth. Would the human body support living under such a gravity? It is known that living under no-gravity conditions for long per...

biology planets humans gravity adaptability

Future Historian

It just got captured HD 37124 c while it was still in the early stages of formation.

Mithrandir24601

@FutureHistorian OK - I don't see any problems, then

Future Historian

6:14 PM

It used to orbit the star itself, it just got captured by the gas giant I mentioned while migrating inward.

:P

Mithrandir24601

but I'm no biologist, by a loooong way

@FutureHistorian It doesn't seem like you're writing a story that depends on much hard science. I'd seriously ask yourself how cramming all this exposition into it will improve the quality of the story.

Mithrandir24601

@FutureHistorian Ahhh - makes sense now :)

Future Historian

It does, @sphennings. And actually, it is kind of hard science.

In fact, if Artifexian showed me anything is that this is the only realistic way for Earth-like exomoons to exist.

@FutureHistorian Is it a good idea to write hard-science about something you are not an expert in?

Future Historian

6:15 PM

Being former planets that got captured by a gas giant migrating inward.

Well, I just want to make sure I have the species be believable.

As in: if such a world existed, such a species could theoretically exist.

@Secespitus Yes, otherwise what is this sites point?

None of the species in star wars are believable but no-one cares.

@Bellerophon There are not so many hard-science questions here compared with science-based for example

Future Historian

@Mithrandir24601? Could the gravity of this fictional moon affect the height of my species? NOTE: This is the same species that attacks Earth of the 1970s anyway.

So, once they show up and try to fight us, the biology will likely play a role.

@FutureHistorian It could or it couldn't. How tall do you want your species to be? That's how tall they are.

Future Historian

6:18 PM

Since HD 37124 c is in the Mars end of the star's habitable zone, it could be possible they need suits for surviving the hotter temperatures of most environments on Earth.

In fact, the closest thing I can think of to Fanghdar in terms of temperature is Tibet.

And that place is freezing cold.

Besides, I am not sure if 1.39 metres for male Gdarje and 1.29 metres for female Gdarje is plausible within the context of Fanghdar's gravity.

And these are from my old notes.

Mithrandir24601

@FutureHistorian I wouldn't be surprised...

Future Historian

Some of the stuff has been retconned since I wrote them.

@FutureHistorian Higher gravity generally means smaller creatures I think.

Future Historian

So, I got the height done right.

:P

This is the average height for a Gdarje anyway.

Both male and female.

The first (1.39 metres) is male, and female is 1.29 metres.

I wouldn't necessarily trust anything I say as being scientific as I have no qualifications.

6:22 PM

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Q: Inbreeding runs in my family

Inbreeding runs in my family. My grandmother did it. My mother did it. And now so do I. I have children with my brother and so does my mother. I think my children will too. Is this normal?

Future Historian

I can understand that.

What???

It's not about worldbuilding.

VTC

Future Historian

Also, gentlemen. Is an average temperature of 276.2 Kelvin too cold for life?

@sphennings I would if I could

Future Historian

6:24 PM

Comparison: Earth's average temperature is 288 Kelvin.

Mithrandir24601

@FutureHistorian Nope - penguins!

@FutureHistorian you're asking if 3C is too cold for life?

@FutureHistorian No. That planet will have areas warmer than areas on Earth that can support life.

Future Historian

Well, Earth's temperature by comparison is 288 Kelvin now.

Well, planet/moon, correct?

@FutureHistorian Did you do any research before asking us?

Future Historian

6:26 PM

I did.

In fact, I am actually looking at the Wikipedia article for Earth right now.

And the global average surface temperature now is 288 Kelvin.

By comparison, this planet/moon's average temperature is 276.2 Kelvin.

@FutureHistorian What is 276 Kelvin in Celsius?

Future Historian

So, this planet looks cold....just wondering if it is too cold to sustain carbon-based life, though.

14.85 degrees Celsius for Earth's temperature. 3.05 degrees Celsius for this world.

3°C shoudln't be too much of a problem as the average temperature.

Especially because "average" means that there should be warmer regions.

Future Historian

Agreed.

But the average temperature is somewhat cold.

Mithrandir24601

@FutureHistorian Well, where I grew up, the average temperature was between 281 and 283K...

The temperature average definitely isn't a problem. Really

Future Historian

6:31 PM

That makes sense.

The problem is, how does this affect the multiple biomes?

Because I was thinking the equatorial regions were subtropical.

And oceans on this world are hypersaline.

Then again, this is probably due to the colder temperature of this planet, even though the atmospheric pressure is higher than here.

@FutureHistorian There are way more factors than temperature.

Future Historian

Agreed.

What kind of factors am I looking at, though?

Besides temperature?

@FutureHistorian For biomes? Mountains. Jet streams.

Coast versus continental.

Future Historian

So, I have to find out about that one.

I will keep reporting as I go.

However, this was what I gathered so far.

So, I just realised: the Gdarje probably do not need to go by their natural state.

Considering they are an interstellar society, they could have had used genetic engineering and cybernetics to change their biological nature as a whole.

And a K1.6 at that.

@FutureHistorian Why don't you ask some of your questions on the main site? More people will see them there.

6:40 PM

But you should probably make a draft in the Sandbox first

Future Historian

Oh. Because I am not taking any chances with users complaining in the sandbox.

And 1 at the moment is already enough.

@FutureHistorian The sandbox is designed for complaining.

Future Historian

Oh.

Well, are there users who want to limit the questions a person can ask in the Sandbox?

@FutureHistorian Like I told you yesterday: Yes, some people (I have seen two, me included) proposed limiting the number of posts any user should post to something like 3 at a time. And when you post more you should be reminded to close or ask one of your older questions.

@Secespitus That's a decent idea.

6:49 PM

Currently there is no limit. Theoretically you could spam the Sandbox as much as you like. But please don't flood the Sandbox with a dozen questions in a matter of minutes.

@Bellerophon See the comments under Monicas post

@FutureHistorian Also delete any you post/abandon.

Future Historian

Oh.

Alright.

Currently the community is still thinking about the cleanup on a "You haven't touched your question in weeks - are you still working on it?" basis or something like that. A limit on the numbre of posts might be an extra in the future

Future Historian

Oh.

Makes sense.

7:04 PM

@FutureHistorian Just to make this clear: I encourage you to use the Sandbox whenever you feel like getting Feedback on a question draft of yours. The community will tell you when they think it's too much at a time and the worst thing that might happen is that you get a comment asking whether you are still working on an old draft.

Future Historian

:D

Thank you, @Secespitus!

Future Historian

7:37 PM

Alright, so I have an idea.

Pedro Et Cetera

8:06 PM

@Green

sorry, finals week caught me off guard

but it's finished now, I'll get it to you in just a sec

Enigma Maitreya

Some may find this interesting "Fossil 'winged serpent' is a new species of ancient snake, doctoral student finds" : sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170512134423.htm

Pedro Et Cetera

imgur.com/772Nxme

8:23 PM

@PedroEtCetera do you make those originally as a jpeg or as a png?

Future Historian

8:56 PM

Alright, so I finally had an issue.

Reconstruction, assuming we (humanity), can retake Earth or somehow repel the initial invasion (most likely, we retake Earth), how long would it take to rebuild with 2,971,844,917 survivors out of 4,071,020,434 people on Earth at the time of the invasion of Earth, along with 1,099,175,517 corpses to bury and 1,188,737,967 survivors that are now refugees scattered across the globe?

Those are some strangely precise numbers.

Now I'm curious what the precision on global population estimates is.

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