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15:00
@Cerberus Not really. But I don't know all the student cities of course. I heard there are hardly other people in Leuven than students. And in Gent (where I study) there certainly are lots of places where there are more students than normal people. I think. But it's not a closed area or something.
@rumtscho Right. I suppose some of the newer universities here would have more students living in flats near the university buildings. But we have no shared rooms as in America!
Jay
Jay
@Cerberus ahaha probably.
It's noisy there at night, so not recommended for normal people :)
@Cerberus Do you sometimes use .sub files for subtitles?
A college town here will have lots of neighbourhoods with lots of students living in it. A big city, even if it has a big university, has more diverse neighbourhoods.
They never seem to work and I don't find good hits on the internet on what to do.
15:01
@Mien Right, if you have a smallish town (100,000 people) and a large uni (30,000), then there will be certain areas where students dominate. But it is not so in the larger cities here.
Jay
Jay
@rumtscho yea i think thats true for most campuses
@Mien Hm oh, never tried those, sorry.
@Cerberus Np.
@Cerberus We don't have a lot of large cities :)
@Mien ic
Jay
Jay
i think i have a cold... wtf... just when its starting to get warmer
15:03
@Mien Brussels and Antwerp?
@Cerberus I think those are the biggest two, indeed :)
@Jay Aww.
@Mien And don't they also have the most and the largest universities? I know Brussels has at least two...
While Gent and Leuven are perhaps the best known...
Jay
Jay
@Cerberus Imma big boy, I can suck it up
@Cerberus I don't know :) I study in Ghent, so I only can say something about that.
@Mien Hmm do you spell Ghent?
15:07
@Cerberus Gent in Dutch, Ghent in English, Gand in French.
I don't know it in German, sorry @rumtscho.
@Mien Oh of course, you used English spelling.
I have never been to Ghent.
@Mien Surprisingly, it is spelled Gent in German too.
It must be great.
@Cerberus I like it a lot :)
You are lucky you don't live in Lüttich.
15:09
@rumtscho Why?
@rumtscho Gesundheit!
@Cerberus Wow, it looks great on this pic
Oh, was that the name of a town?
@Mien Because you would call it Liege.
Luik.
15:09
@rumtscho Ohh now that you mention it, I have heard that before.
OK, the people who live in it would call it Liege.
But yes, now I remember, it's indeed Lüttich in German.
They would call it Liège.
Hey @Mien, does anyone say "Rijsel" in Belgium?
@Cerberus Yes.
Oh, cool.
15:10
Most people in Flanders. Although I guess everyone knows it's Lille.
Hardly anyone says it here, while it is the official name.
While we do say Duinkerken always.
But there is a town in Flanders that has the Dutch name 'Lille' (I'm not sure of the writing)
Oh! That is a good reason to avoid Lille for Rijssel.
Do you know where the name comes from?
@Cerberus It's not a known town.
@Cerberus I don't think I do. Do you?
L'isle = Ter IJssel.
So it should be "Die/zur Insel" in German.
15:13
But Lille is not an island?
got my future 'super peel' back from my wood worker yesterday - next I just gotta get my wife to sew the conveyor belt
isle is not island, is it?
île is island.
@Mien Old spelling. Most accents circonflexes (sp?) stand for omitted Latin s.
Forest = forêt; inquest = enquête, venster = fenêtre, etc.
Kosten = coûter.
@rumtscho It must have been on an island originally.
@rfusca You're thinking in adventure games too much.
@Cerberus hmm?
"Need machine. Need conveyor belt. Conveyor belt = rubber + wife. Wife = woman + ring."
"So I just need to find a ring to get my conveyor belt."
15:19
lol
nah, already got the wife part ;)
Ohh I misread, sorry.
I thought you said "gotta get a wife to...".
@Cerberus hahaha
no, not quite ;)
My twisted thinking.
indeed
my free books should be in today, i'm so excited
Free books??
15:23
from the weekly contest
What country do you live in? Are those biographies praising your local dictator or something?
Oh!
Even better.
yup!
My paid purchases are in - I only have to get them from the post office
@rumtscho what did you get?
But I have to do some more work first :(
Jay
Jay
15:25
Ugh i feel so crappy right now. I felt totally fine other than a runny nose just an hour ago. Now my throat hurts and I need to bluw my nose every couple seconds or i get a puddle on my desk
@Jay man up
@Cerberus Ah yes, I didn't know that was the case in French. And you forgot esse = être ;)
@rfusca oven thermometer, wire rack, pepper mill, Firefly the series, The loneliness of the long distance runner, tongs, a mister and a set of water glasses.
@rumtscho you had me at Firefly
@Mien Yes!
15:27
i mean...its SPACE COWBOYS !
OOOH Firefly ^^
Jay
Jay
@rfusca Stop it, i dont want tough love
@Jay You should yourself that you'd suck it up ;)
@Jay just punch that cold in the face
Jay
Jay
@rfusca I like sci fi but i never really got into firefly... i dont know
15:28
leave, just go
@Jay There is something wrong with you.
Jay
Jay
@Mien that was before it got raelly bad :(. i wonder if i can take a half day today
nod
@Jay Did you watch them in the correct order?
Jay
Jay
@Mien i watched like the first 3 episodes and just didnt feel like watching the rest
15:29
ciao
Were you awake? Were you on drugs at the time? You clearly should have been hospitalized
@Jay slap
@tastefive hola
Jay
Jay
@rfusca ok buddy... thats not cool. No slapping allowed between men
@Jay Yes, but they were shown on tv in the wrong order. I'm just making sure you didn't :)
@Jay slap
better? :p
thank you
hi @tastefive
Jay
Jay
15:31
@Mien I was watching it on netflix
Are they in the correct order on netflix?
Don't know, I don't have netflix.
i believe so
Jay
Jay
@tastefive Help me, everyone is slapping me.
i did netflix as well and it made sense
Jay
Jay
bleh now my nose is raw because i have been using napkins to blow my nose cause I dont have tissues here at work
15:32
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Q: What are the hallmarks of a traditional alfredo sauce?

KatieKThere are many recipes for alfredo sauce, using ingredients from pesto and soy milk to low-fat milk and cream cheese. What is the gold standard for alfredo? What properties indicate a traditional Italian-style alfredo sauce? What type of pasta is it traditionally paired with?

Ah yes, the error was around epi 10.
you can find alfredo in Italy just not with cream.
Jay
Jay
@Mien yea well my interest level petered of at about ep 4
@tastefive Leave a comment :)
@Jay I really can't believe that.
You are the first person I encounter that disliked it.
@Mien someone mentions it, not that I took a closer look
15:34
Are you into scifi in general?
@tastefive Ok.
@tastefive what is alfredo without the cream? Gorgonzola?
Jay
Jay
@Mien i didnt dislike it
i just didnt like it enough to continue watching it
@rumtscho butter and parmigiano
Then you disliked it :) np though.
@tastefive I wouldn't call that "alfredo"
Oh, I want to go home and eat. I even have parmesan at home. Not the good stuff, but still edible.
15:36
sometimes I think @rum just likes to argue
@rumtscho I have the good stuff for the first time.
"the sky is blue" rum->"Well... it depends on how we define sky and blue..."
@Mien congrats
But no idea yet what I'll use it for.
heh thx.
@rfusca :D
@rfusca you forgot that I would first ask you "which sky? It isn't blue on Mars"
15:37
@rumtscho calling it alfredo is a recent thing. But based on what I have come to understand that is how alfredo started. It was brought back to america by tourist who added the cream
@rumtscho i think I was lumping that under 'define sky' ;)
folks, I wish you could have tasted those cinnamon rolls...
@rfusca me too
i don't even really like cinnamon rolls..but ....oh my
@rfusca I think I'm going to make Rich man's brioche instead of kozunak this Easter
@rumtscho it was very good
15:39
@rfusca i'd settle for being able to smell them
@tastefive oddly, they didn't smell that strong
@rfusca really
nor did they rise like a traditional cinnamon roll...but the taste....the taste...whew
fork tender, rich, almost creamy...
@rfusca Sure, butter is always creamy
the cinnamon was fresh ground
@rumtscho :P
15:41
@rfusca Are that good? :(
Jay
Jay
@rfusca Sounds like you had a foodgasm
i didn't tell people who much butter there was until after the meal :D
I made some some weeks ago for the first time.
I'm a bit worried about my bread. The recipe said that I only needed to knead for five minutes.
@rfusca so I take it, the fast is definitely over :)
@tastefive lol ya
but i'm still losing weight, just watching calories right now
15:44
@rfusca congrats
@rfusca Only a pound of butter instead of three? ;)
@rfusca good for you. I have put half of what I lost back on
@Mien you only needed to knead for 5 minutes by hand ?
Does that mean that all you had yesterday was a cinnamon roll for breakfast and one for dinner?
@rfusca Oh, it didn't specify....
But I would think by hand yes.
Lemme check it fast.
They wouldn't talk about a floured surface otherwise :)
15:46
@rfusca do you kneed in you stand mixer?
So I did everything correctly.
Time to put it in the oven, brb.
@rumtscho i had a banana, an egg, a salad, and then that dinner with the cinnamon roll :) I was fine on calories - I took a very, very small one :P
@Mien okie dokey
@tastefive depends on my mood and the dough
@rfusca what was the dinner
@tastefive potluck 'breakfast dinner'
Jay
Jay
@rfusca Sounds unhealthy... i like it
15:47
so I had a small cinnamon roll, some fruit, a yogurt with some granola
@rfusca also what hydration dough are you using for your baguette's I was doing some research last night the majority of recipes I found were 60-2 doughs. Does that sound right to you.
@jay did you see the editing history of TFD's question?
He seems to have strong feelings about his title
@tastefive 60% is really at the edge of baguettes - 65% would be more standard. I've been doing more in the 70-80% range for the last few and I accidentally did a dough for 89% last night - we'll see how that goes
Jay
Jay
@rumtscho Yea thats why i added the comment before i made the suggestion. I really dont like his title as is now
@rfusca If you would uncover that last one, perhaps it'll dry out a bit?
Or is that very blasphemous? :D
15:50
@Mien I don't think it would quite work like that. But I just consider 89% a challenge
@Mien It just won't help.
@rfusca wow i didn't find anything that high. 70-80% seems to be going into the ciabatta range.
It will form a skin, but the moisture from inside the dough won't evaporate.
Hmm, we have such a knife like TFD suggests, but it's called a pizza knife here.
Oh he also says that.
They gave them away for free if you bought beer.
Always a good combo, beer and free knives.
@Jay OK, Aaronut approved it.
Jay
Jay
15:54
@rumtscho Yea I saw that
See? You're always talking about food!
@tastefive here's an example - a recipe based from Anis Bouabsa - he won the best baguette in Paris a few times. Its 75%
Even more than in English.SE.
Jay
Jay
Do you know what would be a good functionality to add to SE in general. For "powers" to be disable-able. So if you have the power to edit a question directly but don't want to step on anyone's toes, you can disable your direct edit power and have that edit just be a suggestion.
@Cerberus No, you think everything is food ;)
15:56
@Jay Hmm but then it wouldn't be the OP who would have to approve it, but someone else.
@Mien Rats, you got me there.
@rfusca it does look like reinhart suggest a range from 60-70%.
Jay
Jay
i think that would be good for mod powers to. If @rumtscho is unsure 100% whether to close a question, she can disable her mod power and just vote to close instead of close directly
@Jay They have a mod chat room for something ;)
@tastefive and if you look at Reinhart's pain ancienne baguettes, they're 80%
@Jay Now that is something I have heard other moderators long for too.
Like "vote to close" and "close immediately" as two separate buttons.
15:58
ya sigh that would be nice to have non-binding votes again
@rfusca hmm I dont have his book. I just found a reference. It looks like the range is all over. I thought it would be more specific and not be so varied.
@tastefive nope, pretty much anything over 60, but over 65% is much more common
@tastefive but the key is the open crumb, the shape, and a crisp crust
@rfusca interesting. I was doing some looking around last night, to try to find a bread to make this weekend (as I always say I am going to do) seems like every bread is the same anymore.
@tastefive what do you mean?
oh, wild variations in recipes?
or higher hydration doughs? the 'artisan' movement in bread right now has really influenced most of the recipes toward higher hyrdation
@rfusca yeah that is what I am noticing
@rfusca I dont know that I like it
16:03
Good morning/Afternoon
Jay
Jay
@Sobachatina Since everyone is from all over the world, i think just Hello would work
You are never going to match exactly what time of the day for everyone :p
Unless you want to say Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening/Night
@Sobachatina hello
hi @Sobachatina
@tastefive if you want a good confidence builder for you first loaf - either try a traditional sandwich loaf, its hard to mess up. Or try a no knead method
I did a lot of reading about quickbread while I was out sick yesterday.
16:07
@rfusca ok, I have one for you. Have you come across something that would be close to what is called an Italian-style sandwich roll in chicago. They are diffidently different from the sandwich rolls in Italy.
I also called about 10 people from Washington to Georgia to ask their opinion of the definition.
Haha :D
@tastefive i'm not sure I know the italian style sandwhich roll - can you describe it?
And?
@Sobachatina I see you are a thorough person
16:08
Oh, I hope you're feeling better :)
@Sobachatina you're nutz
@rfusca I have done a handful of no knead bread. My wife likes them, but man I do not. Not sure what it is about them but I haven't liked any we have made.
@Mien A bit, thank you.
they dont seem to have the right texture.
then try a sandwhich loaf
16:09
@rfusca Hey, how do you feel about using a bread maker to knead the dough, but not using it for raising or baking?
Is that taboo here?
Oh, I just have a very basic bread question and it's too late to ask :(
But I have the question every time I make bread :p
Jay
Jay
@Mien what question
@Cerberus personally, i'm anti-bread machine in general. But particularly just for kneading, I don't see anything against it vs a mixer
How to know you're bread is done.
The summary: The historical definition was all chemically risen baked goods. The newer the cookbook the less broad the definition became. Nearly all people I asked did not include anything beyond fruit breads like banana bread.
16:10
@Mien temperature
@Cerberus now, what kind of snobs do you think we are here? turns her nose up
Some recipes says to knock on it.
@rfusca they have a crust to them, not super crispy like a baguette but not a subway roll. and they have a chewy interior.
@rfusca I don't have a thermometer.
Jay
Jay
i dont see why you cant ask it now... just because the contest is over...
16:11
@Mien @jay is right (that just hurts to say..)
@Mien Then trial-and-error.
I'll ask it then :)
but the 'knock' is...kinda ok. It just sound hollow
The joy of Cooking and the better homes and gardens cookbooks listed under "quickbreads" dense, usually loaf shaped, baking soda risen baked goods like banana bread.
@rumtscho Never had an error so far :)
16:11
@rfusca they also hold together really well even , can stand up to being dunked in gravy
make sure you say you don't have a thermometer
@Mien Really?
and how don't you have a thermometer
@rumtscho With my bread? yes.
On food and Cooking differentiated between quickbreads as biscuits and scones, batterbreads as banana bread and muffins, and cakes- but didn't give a lot of detail as to what the difference in composition was.
16:12
@rfusca Yeah OK, it doesn't work as well as a mixer: but I don't have a mixer, and it is more convenient than by hand, and with a little help it gets the job done.
@rumtscho I know you're snobs! That's why I like you.
@Cerberus i would imagine how well it works, depends on what kind of dough
Ratio used the terms "quickbread", "batterbread" and "quickcake" interchangeably but had different ratios for quickbread vs cake.
@cerberus if you don't think its working well, mix (not knead) all your ingredients, let it rest for 30 minutes, then give the machine a go at it
It's a bit of a vague distinction, imho.
@rfusca I have to use a spoon to get it to mix the flour that builds up in the corners, especially with less drier doughs.
16:13
Time to knock on my bread.
All respondents to the verbal survey when asked "what is quickbread" responded: Banana bread. When asked "how is that different than cake" I got "it is loaf shaped" and "it is more dense" from different people.
@Cerberus ya, definitely do what I just suggested...mix first, rest, then let it knead
That's all. Thanks for listening. I'm afraid I'm going to have to write my own answer on this one.
lol ok
@rfusca Yeah that may be more efficient labour-wise than the way I'm doing it now. I will try that.
16:14
I hate photoshop
good morning
Although I might skip the resting if I don't have time.
@hobodave good morning too
@hobodave morning
@hobodave Morn! What has it done? Taken your wife again?
@Cerberus this is good for hand mixing dough, much better than a spoon
16:15
@rfusca Oh! Interesting. Too bad it costs money...
sorry :/
@rfusca The wheat grinder in the background is the one I have. :)
Hehe.
@Sobachatina cool
I'm only using the spoon to push flour onto the mixing head while my bread maker is busy mixing.
16:16
Oh it looks nice :)
It clunks occasionally, but that's OK.
when I bought my dough whisk at the local kitchen store here in town he said I was the first person who ever knew what it was lol. He said schools come in and he'll lay out a few 'odd' kitchen items and have the kids guess what they're used for and thats the one that nobody ever gets close.
@Sobachatina are there recipes for banana bread with yeast?
@Mien Never- always chemically leavened.
ya, never heard of yeast banana bread
16:18
But I've got recipes for other breads with yeast (like mango bread).
@Mien Actually- I don't know- but if they were with yeast they would by definition not be quickbread and would be atypical.
@rfusca Heh that's funny. But what else could it be? I would have to be some kind of stirring utensil. And if it has thick loops, dough seems a good guess...
I have to go for now, later!
I also have a recipe for banana-date bread in the same book, and that's not with yeast.
Perhaps bananas are special.
:p
Jay
Jay
@Mien it would have to be special to date bread
@Mien "banana bread" is a specific thing to Americans- not just any bread that contains bananas. It is commonly made and a recognizable style.
16:23
@Sobachatina Oh okay. It's not common here, I think.
Is it, @Cerberus?
Jay
Jay
@Mien he left silly
Oh, I still see him here. Okay.
@rfusca Never heard of it as well. Thanks for making me smarter.
@Mien lol yw
:)
@Sobachatina i need to make some. we got a freezer full of bananas
Jay
Jay
16:33
@rfusca eww
@Jay ?
Jay
Jay
@rfusca I never had frozen banana before but it sounds bad
I hate waiting for bread to cool :(
@Jay its a common way to store bananas for the bread and frozen banana puree is pretty good
@Mien pictures!
did the loaf rise well?
I've got one now, I'll take another one from the inside and then I'll post it :)
@rfusca I think so, yes :) 5 inches high?
You'll see in an hour.
16:39
booo
i'm never that patient
I cheat, cut an end off and then turn it cut side down on the cutting board
Tut tut @rfusca
Call yourself chef daddy?
@ElendilTheTall I don't, she does :)
i never even suggested 'chef' - she saw a 'Chef' on Curious George, saw me put on the hat once and I became 'chef daddy'
Jay
Jay
@rfusca Your wife calls you daddy? that's kinky
I think he's talking about his daughter?
@Mien ya...
@Jay stop drinking at work
16:46
@rfusca lol
That would explain a lot
I know quite a lot of pairs which use "names" from the point of view of the children inside the family, not because of any kinkiness, but because the young children still don't get the deixis right
@rumtscho oh sure, thats common
@Sobachatina We have that here also.
But the homeowners can be prosecuted.
Although I think they should go free.
16:48
@sobachatina here the homeowner would be tried for manslaughter at least
@ElendilTheTall Unless he really is threatened or being fighted.
he ate my food, he's going down
@rfusca :)
It used to be you couldn't touch them
Nowadays you could probably get away with beating them up
I don't know if I would be very comfortable living in a country where it is illegal to defend my home.
16:50
@ElendilTheTall Yes, beating, sure, but killing?
But killing, still frowned upon. Go fgure
If someone is threatening me or my family I need to be able to take whatever physical measures are necessary to remove the threat.
I don't know if I'd be comfortable living in a country where every man and his dog has a firearm
in AR, there has to be imminent deadly threat before you can respond with deadly force
If they die in the process that is unfortunate.
16:51
@rfusca Here too.
@ElendilTheTall I second that.
@ElendilTheTall Neither I,nor my dog, own a gun
nor will we
@rfusca in texas you just need to make sure you aren't shooting them in the back :)
FWIW i agree - you break into someone's home, you accept the risk you might get what's coming to you
I actually feel like it is more important to have a gun now that we are more isolated in the country- if anyone did attack us the neighbors wouldn't even hear and the police would have no chance of getting here in time to be useful.
@ElendilTheTall i agree there. I'm not concerned about them. I'm more concerned of the kids accidentally getting a hold of it or such
16:53
I can imagine
Aren't more people killed by gun accidents than in 'home defense'?
@tastefive Yes- that would be bad sportsmanship.
@rfusca better you kids still know about them and how to use and handle them. You never know if they end up at a friends house where there will be a gun.
Hmmmm
If the kid found an unloade gun and didn't know how to load it, no problem
@tastefive I agree that they should learn about guns - not sure I want to teach them how to use a handgun though - doesn't seem like that would be a deterrent to playing with it.
16:56
If they found it and knew how to load it cos I'd shown them I'd bever forgive myself
@rfusca well that is why you keep it locked up.
@tastefive ya, but it only takes once of them finding the key or me forgetting or something
not worth it to me
@rfusca I plan to treat my guns like I do my powertools (some of which are equally dangerous) I'll teach them how to use it and let them know that we can together whenever they want.
i don't have any need for a gun
Surely all you have to teach them is NEVER TOUCH A GUN?
16:58
we have a security system in a neighborhood full of nicer houses with no security systems- we're already an unlikely target
@ElendilTheTall telling a kid to never do something makes them do it. "Don't touch that flame it is hot. Don't eat the fruit from that tree."
Not sure I agree
What about strangers? Do you teach them how to talk to them so they know not to?
No, you tell them never talk to strangers
@ElendilTheTall not saying you dont try to teach it. but that doesn't mean they won't do it anyway.
@ElendilTheTall you interact with strangers in front of them so they learn what proper non-creepy interaction is

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