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12:02 AM
@rumtscho Well that's your warning sign right there, sympathy compliments. If guests really like a wedding cake, they'll just snork it up, collapse under their own weight and go into a sugar coma before having any chance to speak.
 
@Aaronut I only read the comments after the ingredients list, hoping to find an explanation for the high rating
I am trying to imagine how well a recipe will fare if commenters wrote "I baked it for a wedding and three guests fell into a sugar coma"
 
12:56 AM
@rumtscho Well obviously it sounds bad if you leave out the middle part, which is "ate 42 pounds of cake each".
 
 
1 hour later…
2:02 AM
hey @Jay
trying another loaf?
 
Jay
not currently
gonna wait until the weekend when i have the whole day free
 
tsk tsk tsk
ic
 
Jay
with all the rise and proof time and the cooling, i cant go to sleep until like midnight
i get home about 6pm
 
after you do some of bba, look into something like artisan bread in 5 minutes a day or artisan bread every day. They take everything you learn, and modify it to fit in a busy lifestyle
 
Jay
o ok
is there a book or is that just a random scatter of resources online
 
Jay
o ok
didnt realize they were book titles
 
nod
 
Jay
ill add them to my wish list for now
 
2:50 AM
oh snap, i just threw a whole pound of butter in brioche and then realized it was salted butter sigh
guess i'll see how it goes
 
Jay
@rfusca wow thats a lot of butter for one bread
 
@Jay yup, thats why its called 'rich man's brioche'
its going to become cinnamon rolls
 
Jay
@rfusca ohhh nice
 
problem is now i've got to pinch a piece off and test. if its too salty...ugg
 
Jay
3:14 AM
@rfusca i dont think it would be in a cinnamon roll tbh
salted butter isn't THAT salty and cinnamon rolls are so overly sweet that it wouldn't even register
 
3:33 AM
@Jay hopefully
 
Jay
@rfusca I usually dont use butter for anything other than adding a little into my cooking for flavor or for baking so I pretty much only get unsalted now
 
@Jay i usually keep two kinds, salted for eating and unsalted for cooking
i just grabbed the wrong kind
 
Jay
@rfusca tsk tsk i'm not sure if i can recognize you as my bread master anymore
Haha jk
 
we don't do butter substitutes anymore. we determined we were using x2 of the substitute to make up for the flavor
 
Jay
@rfusca butter substitutes usually aren't that much healthier... if not actually worse than the actual butter
 
3:43 AM
well they all try to cut out the saturated fat
 
@Jay good news, my sourdough starter should be ready for its first batch of bread this weekend. I hope yours is doing as well.
@Jay they're supposed to be good friends, after all
@rfusca I've already flagged it
... and downvoted
someone wake @rumtscho :-P
 
@derobert ya, i close voted
 
UGH, why is SO (or maybe Firefox) taking a line break before an em-dash?
 
@derobert what?
 
Jay
@derobert its only 5:30 for her. let her sleep a little bit more you meanie. :p
 
4:30 AM
@rfusca in one of my answers, "need anything more than a low simmer—higher evaporates faster" its displaying starting with the — (em-dash) on a new line
 
Jay
wth is wrong with me... i ate dinner... then i ate a sandwich to supplement my dinner, then i ate some of the bread i baked... now i want to eat more food
 
@Jay Maybe you realized that no one will trust a skinny chef, and you want to make sure you're not skinny.
 
@Jay tip from a guy losing weight, eat an egg or a banana
 
Jay
@derobert lol maybe... or maybe im just a glutton
@rfusca I have problems with eating a single egg... i want to eat like 3 of them or more lol
 
@Jay well, excercise a lil' self control and eat two
 
Jay
4:33 AM
@rfusca tht seems like a good compromise
 
:)
 
@rfusca well, doesn't seem like anything SO is doing, so must be a Firefox/Iceweasel bug. Annoying. Well, adding some   fixed it, sort of.
 
@derobert weird
so, we baked a bit of brioche early, to see if it was too salty
just a pinch of it, like a grape sized piece
and its like eating a stick of butter...in a good way
tastes very much like a croissant
when properly risen, should be even better
 
@rfusca ah, was this a near-100%-bakers-ratio butter brioche? Those are so good...
 
@derobert ya
 
4:38 AM
"So, this thing has egg, butter, oh and a little bit of flour"
 
Jay
back with 2 easy overs
 
@Jay that was quick
 
Jay
@rfusca not really
 
speaking of eggs, I've got a bunch about to expire. Must be time to make ice cream. Or a custard-based pie. Maybe both.
 
@derobert lol
 
Jay
4:40 AM
im not using a cast iron pan or carbon steel like you so its faster to heat up
 
@Jay the carbon steel heats up pretty quick
under a minute
and glides like butter
 
yeah, its just the iron that needs it 3–5 minutes
 
Jay
@rfusca o ok
 
though I confess, I cook eggs on teflon
 
Jay
i cooked it on teflon too
 
4:41 AM
even my teflon pans weren't as non-stick i think. Its really quite amazing to have it seasoned so well so quickly
 
@Jay: Let's not tell anyone. It can be our little secret.
 
Jay
@derobert lol it's not THAT bad
 
i don't have a problem with me using teflon for certain things, but I don't trust the random person who will pick up the pan and blast it on high
so i just don't use it at all
and its such a PITA to make sure it doesn't get scratched or gummy or whatever
 
@rfusca I think that means you need new/better Teflon. Teflon is amazingly non-stick. Even compared to perfectly seasoned iron. And as long as you avoid metal utensils, not that bad to keep it from being scratched.
Crappy Teflon is, like all crappy cookware, crap.
 
Jay
@derobert how insightful
 
4:46 AM
@derobert perhaps...but i often hear regarding teflon 'its all the same, buy the cheap stuff'
 
Jay
@rfusca no there is definitely better teflon
 
Its not. There is a huge difference in quality in Teflon coatings.
 
and my carbon steel is 1000x slicker than my best cast iron
 
Jay
the 30 dollar teflon pans are definitely better than the 4 piece nonstick "teflon" pan sets you get for like 20 at walmart lol
 
yes
though I'm guessing I'm the only one who can read it
 
4:47 AM
ya, paywall
shrug it matters little to me, honestly. I'll freely admit there may be better teflon than the cheap stuff, but the steel pan i've got is more than slick enough for me
 
$35 T-Fal Professional Total Nonstick Fry Pan, 12.5 inches survived egg frying/washing cycles until the test cooks got bored and went home (over 76 cycles). Crappy ones survived 2 cycles
 
Jay
@rfusca to be honest i think less people use cast iron and steel pans because they are too lazy to season the pans
teflon is just easy to just heat and use
 
@Jay most home cooks just don't really know about carbon steel. it takes years to get cast iron to egg frying point
@Jay indeed
 
it doesn't take years to get cast iron that good... especially if you're willing to spend some time baking it
 
@derobert ....have you personally done that? because I tried - flax seed oil, thin coats, baking, etc
 
Jay
4:51 AM
@rfusca this calls for an experiment!!!
I was actually thinking about getting a cast iron pan
 
its definitely good, but it doesn't hold a candle to the carbon steel slickness after messing with it for 1 hour
 
haven't personally done it (as I said, I cook eggs in teflon) but Cooks Illustrated reports it works. Will have to give it a try on my skillet.
 
see the pic of bread in it
@derobert they specifically said they fried an egg with very little oil in it after that?
 
Jay
theres no handle on it tho
 
@rfusca "Eggs stuck 'considerably' and took 'tons of scrubbing' to clean the first time around but barely stuck and cleaned up easily the second time. Corn bread was crusty, with perfect release." ... that's how they describe their testing of a Lodge preseasoned skillet
 
i find the handle gets in the way, but then this amazon.com/Lodge-LCC3-Logic-Pre-Seasoned-Cooker/dp/B0009JKG9M/…
@Jay ya
@derobert i'd love to see what they fried it in. If I practically deep fry it, then I can...but certainly not with just a wipe of oil
 
@rfusca well, I'm looking up how to fry an egg in cast iron on YouTube, I'll give it a try on mine once I find out :-P
I suspect it may be different than on Teflon (where you can honestly get away with no oil)
 
@derobert cool - measure the oil you put in though - i'm interested in that. with enough oil, practically anything is non stick
 
Jay
@derobert i add a little butter to add flavor
or bacon grease when i have it
 
@rfusca yes, I'm guessing wipe it with butter. I can measure the butter stick before & after on a scale
 
4:59 AM
with my carbon steel, i usually just put a dab of oil on a paper towel and wipe it. it just looks like its barely damp
@derobert that'd be great
 
ok, it's time for SCIENCE. Be back in a bit.
 
@derobert sweet, let us know
 
Jay
fiora just got released
 
nice
 
5:16 AM
@rfusca SCIENCE has been completed
 
@derobert results, results, results!
 
In a 12" cast iron skillet (seasoned with soy oil a few times in the oven), 3g of butter was more than enough to prevent all sticking when cooking an egg over easy. In a 10" cast iron skillet (seasoned not as well with canola oil), 1g of butter led to minor sticking.
These were room-temperature-ish eggs, warmed in a water bath for a few minutes
that's the 12", as you can see most of the 3g of butter is sitting off to the side, so not really needed
 
interesting
i just never got that with my pans :*( must have done something wrong.
 
i just tested my carbon steel, my scale wouldn't register the amount of oil that was non-stick, which means less than 1g. @derobert A good test, for sure, I just never get that result :( So I rescind my statement, it is possible...just apparently not for me lol
 
5:23 AM
LOL, not sure why your cast iron doesn't get that non-stick, that's just a Lodge skillet
(and sorry for the picture quality, 'tis a phone camera)
 
lol no worries
 
@rfusca do you warm your eggs to room temperature?
 
sometimes I think my kitchen is the bermuda triangle of kitchens...all sorts of 'it shouldn't work like that' things happen here
@derobert yup
 
hmmm, and you seasoned your cast iron by lightly coating in flaxseed or soy oil, then baking in a 400–500°F oven for an hour or two, then let it cool in the oven, and repeat baking if at all tacky?
 
@derobert yup
followed the directions in that one blog...the same one CI based their tests on
and it does a great seasoning for sure
 
5:26 AM
@rfusca weird, your should work then
 
but eggs stick like glue still
 
@rfusca maybe someone added a bottle of Elmers to your eggs.
I preheated the iron, I assume you did too?
 
nod yup
how hot?
got a ir thermometer?
 
ummm, didn't check with the IR thermometer....
it was until water splashed on it boiled immediately, and so did the butter
 
ya, thats about where I did mine
 
5:28 AM
couple of minutes on medium, I just guessed by waving my hand over it
 
sure
 
eggs pretty much immediately started sizzling
 
one thing thats nice about the carbon steel, it doesn't hold as much heat. So i heat it up to about there, drop the egg, turn it to low and then cook slower
works beautiful
@derobert ya, that sounds right
 
ok, then it's confirmed—@rfusca's kitchen is the Bermuda triangle as he suspects.
@rfusca, please watch out for ships and aircraft sinking in your sink. If it does happen, remember to wash it out and sanitize before using for food prep.
Also, if you find Amelia Earhart, call the local tabloid and get rich :-P
 
@derobert sweet
they work great for everything else, pancakes, meat, etc - just not eggs.
 
5:32 AM
odd
 
i'd been reading some about eggs, so bought free range organic eggs tonight....these are junk. last time I buy these
 
and its not like you can be doing anything crazy wrong. I mean, that pan has seen soap.
 
much less taste, obviously much older, yolk is flatter
 
wonder if the stock sits around longer, I get ridiculously fresh eggs at the local Costco.
 
@derobert thats my thought
@derobert i've got one pan that i've stripped down to metal and going to 'restart' on. My wife uses the other one and I suspect that she burns things badly and leaving some stuff behind
she's not one who would deglaze
 
Jay
5:36 AM
you guys warm eggs to room temp before cooking?
i just use it straight from fridge
 
Hah, I've done my trademark "fire alarm roast chicken" in that pan (you know its getting close to done, when the fire alarm goes off) ... so burning stuff in the pan can't be that bad
@Jay on teflon, you don't have to warm it. It helps on other cooking surfaces... also helps to get it to run less
 
@derobert ya, but then you properly clean it i'm sure
 
Jay
@derobert omg yea... when i cook chicken that has a olive oil marinade, it always gets so smokey
 
@rfusca yep, I clean it up after that.
 
we have the fire alarm tied to the fire dept. fire alarm = trucks outside our house
 
5:38 AM
@rfusca really, there isn't a time period you can cancel the alarm before the fire dept. is called? I'm amazed the fire dept. lets you get away with that.
@rfusca or is this a multi-unit dwelling?
 
@derobert ya, i exaggerate a bit - they call first. if we tell them not to come, they don't. if we tell them to or don't answer, they come
 
Jay
still seems like a huge pain lol
 
it saved the house once though. had a fire while we were out and they got there before it did any damage at all
 
ah, ok, I know the fire department around here doen't particularly like responding to false alarms.
 
@Jay not at all
 
Jay
5:41 AM
@rfusca thats good
 
I'm working on my roast chicken though, so it doesn't set off the alarm :-)
 
Jay
@derobert btw what time do you go to sleep
 
wok'ing sets off the alarm unless I open doors
 
Jay
i remember last week you stayed up until like 5am
 
@Jay he doesn't sleep
he just hibernates for a few weeks a year
 
5:42 AM
@Jay well, I probably should go to sleep by 2AM, but last week I was on vacation, so I didn't have to
... or what @rfusca said
 
Jay
@derobert i seee
 
well, time to take the brioche out of the fridge
 
so, IOW, I should clean out those pans soon, and also I need to visit Wallyworld to see if I can find some cheap large foil pans to put over bread per @rfusca's suggestion
 
Jay
@derobert i should go to sleep... i have no self control
 
I'm actually tempted to answer this question:
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Q: Am I slow cooking chicken correctly?

James WilsonI tried to slow cook chicken today using the hob on my gas cooker. I started on a very very low heat and just left it for an hour and noticed it was doing a good job of absorbing flavours in the liquid which is what I wanted. I then slowly brought it to a simmer, simmered for 10 minutes and then...

I mean, giving a general answer about slow-cooking chicken would actually be useful for the site
 
5:57 AM
@derobert go for it
@derobert i've not tried it (nor will I given my current setup), but the tubes seem to indicate it should work
don't work with high butter brioche in a warm kitchen
 
Jay
ok going to bed now for reals
 
@Jay suuure
 
Jay
@rfusca I ammmmmm stop replying to me of else ill never leave
lol
 
@Jay sure
 
Jay
@rfusca i hate you. lol closing my eyes and clicking exit
 
6:07 AM
@Jay riiight
 
6:40 AM
Hmm, was there a rep recalc?
I have the feeling that I had more rep yesterday.
But maybe I remember it wrong.
 
7:04 AM
@rumtscho lol
maybe
 
Jeez, are you lot still loitering in here?
 
@ElendilTheTall me?
i live here
i can't go to sleep when there is brioche that needs tasting!
 
7:57 AM
@rfusca brioche eh? booked in with the cardiologist?
 
@ElendilTheTall lol
i just had a taste
 
and...
 
i saved the calories :P
 
was this the BBA brioche?
 
@ElendilTheTall i accidentally grabbed the salted butter, so its a bit on the salty side, but good
 
7:59 AM
@rumtscho there may have been, there was an announcement on meta.SO about a network-wide rep recalc
 
@ElendilTheTall ya, rich man
 
how did your steam injector work?
good results?
 
oh, i didn't do it for the test roll, i'll do it tomorrow when I bake the big batch though
 
@rfusca salted butter is blue, unsalted butter is red. At least the brand I get. Actually, half the time, I don't have salted butter around...
 
@rfusca I meant previously
 
8:00 AM
@rfusca I doubt steam injection will matter much for brioche—its done at a much lower temperature, right?
 
I've got about 1000 rep this month
 
i'm using it to make cinnamon rolls - I think the salt will balance out with the sweet glaze anyway
 
Answerin' machine
 
@ElendilTheTall ya, it probably won't...but you're missing the point...*its fun* :D
 
Oooo, that looks good
Heston just made Potato Milk Jam
 
8:01 AM
@ElendilTheTall ya, its awesome - the steam injector
@derobert i usually have both, one to eat, one to cook with
 
I also like the idea of infusing milk with potato skins to use with mashed potatoes
 
never heard of it being called milk jam
 
@rfusca also, for dripping over bread, I will state that butter (browned, if I remember correctly what I did last time) + sugar + vanilla = awesome
 
@derobert looking at those ingredients - its no surprise
 
@rfusca yes, I stumbled across it when fiddling with a sweet sauce for bread
@rfusca of course, the second I tasted it, I realized I had re-invented butterscotch
 
8:06 AM
lol
 
but its so much better than the fake butterscotch flavored candies
 
well ya
 
no surprise, considering it has butter :-)
now, I should go to bed... an hour ago.
 
lol
ciao
 
well, I've just learnt something interesting
In Malay, plurals are stated by repeating a word - we'd say books, a Malaysian would say book book
Verbs are also intensified in this way - so 'I'd really like' would be 'I like like'
There are words that are already formed from plurals, like butterfly - rama rama
So 'I love butterflies' in Malaysian is Saya suka suka rama-rama rama-rama
 
8:15 AM
Oh dear, is I really love butterflies Saya suku suku suku suku rama-rama rama-rama ?
 
suka yeah
:)
I've also learnt that bread leads to lords and ladies
 
oh yeah, I should try copy and paste instead of retyping at 3AM
 
The Anglo-Saxon for bread is hlaf, which is where we get loaf
 
bread leads to lords and ladies? They knight you if you can bake?
 
The women made the bread, and the men protected it - the women were hlafdige and the men hlafward
Over the years these changed
Hlaford and Hlafdi
Lavord and Lavedi
Lord and Lady
 
8:19 AM
Well, I think you need to finish your proof:
∴ the 1% is made of bread
... well, dough, actually.
or full of it, at least.
 
and a hefty amount of hot air
 
hot air? does that mean we need to let the 1% sit on the cooling rack longer?
 
perhaps
 
Someone should tell the Occupy folks.
Anyway, I really am going to bed now.
Good night.
 
 
4 hours later…
12:26 PM
@derobert I was surprised why nobody noticed the obvious pun
And then noticed it is German-only
In German, it isn't called cooling rack, it is called cooling "Gitter", with "Gitter" meaning things like "grid" but also "grille" or "grate", and "hinter Gitter" meaning "behind bars", i.e. in prison
Wow, I love today's Girl Genius
It is a steampunk comic, they can fly there with dirigibles, but here a character (who is a mad scientist) shows to another character his experimental machine, which is some kind of helicopter
The dialogue is:
"This contraption will never fly at all"
"Science says it will!"
"Then science can fly it!"
(both are on the run and the inventor plans to escape together with the other one using the machine)
 
 
1 hour later…
1:59 PM
@rumtscho I have the same feeling.
 

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