The Frying Pan

11:00 PM

@rfusca I can't find a good picture, but those waffles are mostly store-bought

I find it easier to list things I don't drink - namely, alcohol, toxic or poisonous substances, or things not otherwise meant to be drunk

Mien

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rumtscho

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Q: What's wrong with my technique in this Belgian Liège Waffle recipe?

I've been using this awesome recipe to make Belgian Liège waffles, but my results are never consistent. Could you guys help me reverse engineer the recipe a bit? During the butter-adding phase in step 5, my dough typically balls up on the paddle very early on, even before the second mixing. Wha...

Maybe not to recommend, after all he is having trouble. I don't know.

Mien

And this kind of waffles are a lot home made static.skynetblogs.be/media/57745/…

They are hard and eaten (mostly) cold.

ElendilTheTall

Right, time to do the 'float test' on my bagels

Mien

11:00 PM

We have so many types :(

derobert

I mean, those questions appear to be cooking questions, but I'm half-serious... I mean, they're cooking questions, but one a cook/chef would never think about, they seem to belong on a chemistry site :-(

ElendilTheTall

Wish me luck

Mien

Break a leg.

I love and hate the smell of Liège Waffles :p

It smells so good.

Cerberus

@ElendilTheTall You're easy!

Mien

But I smell it twice a day.

derobert

11:02 PM

@rfusca I'm very tempted to suggest he just slice into the chicken breast, fill it with salt, and then seal using transglutaminase.

Cerberus

@Mien Ooh we have those too. I always stick them in the oven: they are quite delicious when crispy!

Mien

@rumtscho Wow, it looks good!

rfusca

@derobert do it!

Mien

@Cerberus I never tried that :)

@derobert Perhaps he should feed a chicken only salt and eat the chicken.

Cerberus

You should! In fact any old or low-quality pastry/pie gets much, much better if you let the oven crispify it for you.

And old bread can be improved by putting it in the microwave for 20 seconds.

derobert

11:04 PM

@Mien well, chickens will supposedly eat anything. I suppose pure NaCl counts.

rumtscho

I would rather suggest he cooks and brines chicken in colored water so he sees that the chicken doesn't absorb water.

Mien

@Cerberus I must admit that I sometimes put a sugar waffle in the microwave and I have a fake Liège waffle.

@rumtscho Could he put the chicken in a dehydrator?

Cerberus

Very good!

rfusca

@Mien lol

rumtscho

Ohh, with the last question, I don#t even know if he knows what is the difference between cooked and raw meat.

Mien

11:06 PM

@rfusca No really, it's better than I thought :) Do you have sugar waffles?

rumtscho

"I usually find parts of the meat have not been cooked properly e.g. i find red,purple,brown bits which I think should be white"

derobert

@rumtscho I am tempted to give a serious answer of "here is how you can perform these experiments yourself"... personally, I'd use a scale

rfusca

@Mien not sure

derobert

... though he'll need a salinity meter if he wants to measure salt content

rumtscho

Salt content of what?

Mien

11:07 PM

It looks like this:

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rumtscho

He can measure the content of the water, but not of the chicken

Mien

It also contains more sugar pearls than a real Liège waffle.

derobert

@rumtscho the salt content of James Wilson's chicken

Mien

And it won't be as crisp.

rumtscho

@derobert I don't think a salinity meter works outside of an aqueous solution

rfusca

11:08 PM

i don't think we do

derobert

@rumtscho well, I'm sure there is some way to measure salinity in chicken. It may require running it through a blender first...

@rumtscho well, come to think of it, they somehow measure sodium content to put on nutrition labels. So it must be doable, somehow.

rumtscho

@derobert They probably have a larger lab and more chemistry know how than J. W.

Mien

There are a few things that bother me about that waffle recipe.

rumtscho

@Mien for example?

Mien

The author claims it's the real thing like in the 1800's

derobert

11:12 PM

@rumtscho its common enough, I bet there is an off-the-shelf device to do it. It will cost much more than J.W. is willing to spend, of course.

Mien

But he uses active dry yeast, vanilla.....

We can't even find vanilla now.

But I will try the recipe :)

derobert

@Mien I thought you could get vanilla? Just not vanilla extract?

Mien

@derobert We have (expensive) vanilla pods.

ElendilTheTall

@Cerberus easy?

Mien

But he calls for vanilla extract

ElendilTheTall

11:14 PM

Float test passed with flying colours - didn't even sink

Yay yeast

Mien

Good to hear :)

rumtscho

@Mien I think the problem with "no real vanilla" is only since Dr. Oetker flooded the market with the phiolas of essence and everybody thinks they are the real thing.

derobert

@Mien either extract it yourself, or just use the vanilla

Mien

@derobert I was planning on extracting it myself but one of my pods got moldy :(

rumtscho

Of course, it would have been very hard to get hold of in the 1800s.

Mien

11:15 PM

(I used it in a different recipe before hand and I must've not dried it well enough)

derobert

@Mien I assume before you added the alcohol?

Mien

@rumtscho Yes, that was my point.

ElendilTheTall

@rfusca making KA sourdough pancakes tomorrow

rumtscho

But I think that such small enhancements are allowed.

ElendilTheTall

any pointers for success?

Mien

11:15 PM

No I didn't use alcohol yet.

rumtscho

I also doubt the "King Arthur bread flour" part a lot.

Seeing that Belgium doesn't have bread flour at all.

And that you people said that KA is higher gluten than other brands.

derobert

@rumtscho that their recipe requires their own flour? It probably doesn't. Any similar flour will probably work. Well, for you, not them.

@Mien sorry about my friends swiping your vanilla, you can hardly blame them, vanilla is tasty.

ElendilTheTall

I have been completing a PhD in Physics and for the final exam I have been asked to create a perfect vacuum. So, no pressure then.

heehee

rumtscho

@derobert No, somebody mentioned in chat the gluten content of KA bread flour, and it was very high.

derobert

@rumtscho yes, it is

12.7% kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/…

rfusca

11:18 PM

@ElendilTheTall nice

Mien

@rumtscho Yes, I didn't see it at first.

rumtscho

And seeing that flour in Belgium is probably similar to German flour, this recipe would produce the wrong kind of dough.

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall not really

rumtscho

I would make it with normal flour.

rfusca

well it was probably just the gluten, but the KA AP was waaaaaaaaaaaay easier to work with last night than the gold medal AP has been

rumtscho

11:19 PM

You know, it isn't forbidden to use yeast with normal flour. We do it all the time, and it tastes great.

Mien

@rumtscho Yes, that's what I'll do. There was a Belgian man commenting :)

rumtscho

@rfusca Sure, the gluten makes flour easy to work with. I told you I could work a 100% hydration dough at 15.5% gluten.

I wouldn't call it exactly "easy", but it wasn't liquid.

Also, how are waffles called which are made from a solid batter?

Sobachatina

@rumtscho Biscuits?

rumtscho

They don't have yeast, but they are made with shortening instead of oil I think, and the batter is solid.

derobert

if you switch that recipe from high-gluten flour to something lower, you'll probably have to reduce the liquids a little

rumtscho

11:21 PM

@Sobachatina No, baked in a waffle iron.

@derobert Are you sure? You don#t have to shape a loaf.

You should be able to bake a waffle even if the dough is semi-liquid.

derobert

Well, you'll have a more liquid dough than the recipe wants, but yeah, it'll probably still work fine for waffles.

Sobachatina

@rfusca- TFD is getting sick of bread.

I think by Tuesday we will all be sick of it.

rumtscho

But maybe you are right, if the recipe was developed for bread dough, the liquid proportion is probably not authentic either.

Mien

I'm already sick of it now.

What do I get?

rumtscho

@Sobachatina what did he do? I don't see any bumps by him.

derobert

11:25 PM

@rumtscho I'm guessing that if that recipe should yield a very wet dough with high-protein flour, that when you use it with your 9.5% German flour, you'll have batter, not dough. Of course, if that happens, you can just add more flour...

... or wheat gluten

rumtscho

Sweet.

blog.stackexchange.com/?blt=1

derobert

@rumtscho huh? that's 404 here

Mien

Here too.

rumtscho

The newest Stackexchange blog item.

Mien

put a B before it :)

blog.stackexchange.com/?blt=1

derobert

11:27 PM

The "Greatest Hits" post?

rfusca

@Sob lol

rumtscho

@derobert yes

Mien

cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/greatest-hits

rfusca

so, survery - if somebody was going to cook 2 eggs, how do you like em

rumtscho

And of course, our top q in greatest hits is about rotten food.

@rfusca zabaglione

:P

derobert

11:29 PM

@rfusca hmmm, not enough for ice cream, so how about an omelet?

Mien

@rfusca I would boil them and dip bread in it :)

I don't get it. How does 'greatest hits' work?

derobert

How about we each combine our eggs together, then we'll have enough to make ice cream?

@Mien the blog post explains, its from when the anonymous hoards click 'yes' on 'was this helpful'

Mien

@derobert Oh yes, I saw that and I skipped it :p

Thanks :)

derobert

@Mien well, that's definitely a way to ensure you never steal @rumtscho's robot title

Mien

I'm all flesh and blood :)

rumtscho

11:35 PM

@Mien I used to say that too, until they blew my cover.

Mien

:D

derobert

@Mien well, the question is, is it your flesh and blood, or is it just a pile of steaks you're about to eat?

Mien

Oh it's mine alright.

rfusca

anybody see this latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/…

derobert

@Mien I think that makes you the only one in the channel with blood, then.

Mien

11:38 PM

@derobert It feels good to be special.

@rfusca Wow :/

Sobachatina

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Q: What can I do to keep high hydration dough from sticking to my hands?

Whenever I try to knead (by hand) or move after kneading, a high hydration dough like ciabatta, it sticks to my hands terribly and often seems ruin any shaping I try. I've tried flour on my hands, but it comes off so quick - what can I do to keep it from sticking so badly?

bread

The comments.

Mien

"grandmother, 46" => says a lot to me already

(but I don't want to offend the younger parents here ;) )

rfusca

@Sobachatina ah, yes

rumtscho

I think jay's dirty mind is proof for blood too, something has to carry testosterone around his body.

derobert

grandmother of a 9-year-old no less, right?

grandmother of a newborn at 46 wouldn't be so bad, but a 9-year-old...

rumtscho

11:41 PM

Yes, my grandma became grandma at 45, but she married young

Sobachatina

@Mien Meh- a 46 year old should know better regardless of when she had her first child.

Mien

@Sobachatina So should a 27-year-old

Sobachatina

My mother was a grandma at about that.

rumtscho

(she had my mother at 20, my mother had me at 24)

(Or maybe my mother married at 24 and had me at 25, I forgot)

derobert

yes, but you weren't 9. Early twenties for a first kid isn't weird...

Sobachatina

11:43 PM

@Mien Very true- and exactly my point- the fact that they were young when they had kids is not necessarily relevant as you implied.

rumtscho

@derobert It's a cultural thing.

Mien

@derobert It's on the weird side here.

rumtscho

The funniest thing is that, right now, my family considers me a helpless small child and a spinster at the same time.

Mien

I'm gonna be rude now, but this is not about anyone here.

Sobachatina

@Mien Europe is also dying out because all your average family sizes have less than 2 kids.

Mien

11:44 PM

Imho 'dumb' people have children sooner, they don't study as long as smarter people.

But there are a lot of exceptions of course.

@Sobachatina Dying out? We are flooded.

But that's also because of the immigrants and their culture (8 kids etc)

Sobachatina

@Mien Not 'also'. 'only' because of immigrants.

Mien

@Sobachatina Fair enough :)

derobert

Getting a 9-year-old grandchild by the time you're 46, requires two generations of teen pregnancies, which isn't weird—just unfortunate, as I suspect it is actually as much a cause as an effect of @Mien's point

... in particular, once you've got a kid to care for, its hard to continue education. Especially if you're a single parent.

Sobachatina

@derobert This I agree with. Having kids that young requires a strong support structure.

Mien

Yes, but then again, I think birth control and abortion are more accepted here.

rumtscho

11:47 PM

@derobert the causation goes both ways - educated children don't get pregnant in their teen years. Because it is the smart children who get a good education, and also because education doesn't also teach arithmetic, it also teaches decision making.

derobert

@Mien well, birth control is pretty accepted here. Abortion, not so much.

Mien

@derobert birth control is accepted for now ;)

Please please please don't vote for Santorum.

derobert

@Mien Santorum has as much chance of winning a Presidential election as the discharge named after him.

Mien

@derobert I really hope so :)

rumtscho

@derobert The groups who don't accept birth control make a bigger part of your society than of ours, even if they are a minority in both.

Mien

11:49 PM

@rumtscho Definitely true.

Sobachatina

I was tricked into violating my policy of not discussing politics. I noticed because I was so angry just now.

derobert

intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=749967

Sobachatina

I'm better now.

rumtscho

@derobert Now I really start worrying.

Mien

But I think that correlates with a bigger proportion of religious people too.

@rumtscho Why?

derobert

11:50 PM

Maybe @rumtscho put Santorum's name into Google?

Mien

2.4% is still a lot more than my chance.

rumtscho

@Mien Because the chance for both is non-zero then. Although, I don't know who would be the more dangerous president.

@derobert I knew it before.

Mien

And I think even I would be a better president, no?

@Sobachatina You don't want to talk about it?

We should change the subject then :) We're good at that.

derobert

@rumtscho the 2.4% is a side-effect of how the market works, the extremes are slightly discouraged... That's clearly an over-estimate, but its impossible to make money shorting it.

Sobachatina

@Mien Nope. I'm a poor sport and anything competitive makes me start to behave poorly. So I try not to participate.

Mien

11:51 PM

So....

Sobachatina

It's a character flaw but my wife makes up for it by being very competitive so I let her handle things like that.

rumtscho

@Sobachatina I don't see where you discussed politics, do you mean the immigrants part? I think it was a factually correct statement, not a matter of opinion.

Mien

We'll talk about.....

Does anyone have a subject?

derobert

How about Mars.

Either a Mars bar, maybe fried, maybe a planet, or maybe a sailor soldier.

rumtscho

Not mars, I don#t like salty caramel.

Jay

11:53 PM

my copy of the BBA just arrived :)

Sobachatina

rumtscho

@Jay congrats

Sobachatina

@Jay Congratulations.

derobert

@Sobachatina I'm so eating that. And inviting all my friends to help. Should only take 6 to 8 weeks.

Jay

now if there is a way to directly download it into my brain

rumtscho

11:54 PM

Really, who flags such pics as offensive?

Jay

hmm i guess @rumtscho would be the best one to asked this

rumtscho

@Jay Sorry, I don't think you have the compatible technology.

derobert

@Aaronut can we have when in doubt, throw it out week next Tuesday?

rumtscho

hello @Aaronut

Aaronut

Just dropped in to say congratulations to @rumtscho, I know I'm a few days late.

rumtscho

11:55 PM

@Aaronut Thank you

Aaronut

@derobert you'll have to ask CHAOS, I don't get to choose 'em.

Jay

@derobert i think @Laura deals with this and @Aaronut doesn't really deal with that

derobert

@Aaronut well, you already asked them, I was hoping they'd answered

Sobachatina

Chaos sounds like the name of an evil league of villains.

Aaronut

@derobert Not to my knowledge. But then, nobody's officially proposed it as a topic, it was only proposed as a joke in a comment.

Mien

11:57 PM

@rumtscho Mars is salty??

Jay

it is for a movie

i cant remember which

Shog9

Get Smart

Get Smart is an American comedy television series that satirizes the secret agent genre. Created by Mel Brooks with Buck Henry, the show starred Don Adams (as Maxwell Smart, Agent 86), Barbara Feldon (as Agent 99), and Edward Platt (as Chief). Henry said the creation of this show came from a request by Daniel Melnick, who was a partner, along with Leonard Stern and David Susskind, of the show's production company, Talent Associates, to capitalize on "the two biggest things in the entertainment world today"—James Bond and Inspector Clouseau. Brooks said: "It's an insane combination of Jame...

Jay

some spy movie/comedy

oooo yea

thats it

Shog9

(But that's KAOS)

derobert

QUIET! You can't talk about that, unless we first go into the Cone of Silence

Sobachatina

11:57 PM

@Mien How salty does mars get if it has been boiled? And how do you know when it's done?

rumtscho

@Shog9 Psst, no KAOS allowed here.

Aaronut

How come nobody's voted to close this?

Shog9

quiet you, I'm trying to answer my shoe phone

Mien

@Sobachatina Excellent question!

Sobachatina

@Shog9 That's why it sounded familiar. That show was awesome.

rumtscho

11:58 PM

I am completely in the Task-oriented RE camp. Goal-oriented doesn't fly with me.

derobert

@Aaronut voted to close what, this chat room? We are on topic at least once per day!

Aaronut

uh... click the link?

Mien

@Aaronut Oh I didn't see it until now.

derobert

oooh

rumtscho

@Aaronut I didn't even notice it. But I think such services exist, actually. If the "best recipe app" is ontopic, than this one should probably stay too.

Mien

11:59 PM

@Shog9 Haha, that's a cool movie :D

Sobachatina

@Aaronut Because it wasn't about bread so no one paid any attention to it?

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