The Frying Pan

Cindy

15:01

@ElendilTheTall Tough one.

ElendilTheTall

...act as draught excluders

Cindy

For every rat you see...

ElendilTheTall

jeez, that's tough too

Stephie

... you should get a terrier?

ElendilTheTall

that's a lot of terriers

Jay

15:05

do people actually see rats often?

Ive only seen mice, never rats

Anubian Noob

...50 kids from the younger generation would be running in terror

We had rats in the house

First week there were rat droppings EVERYWHERE

ElendilTheTall

Blood is thicker...

Cindy

Blood is thicker when you eat a lot of greens.

Jay

@ElendilTheTall Blood is thicker as it dries under the sun

ElendilTheTall

@Jay chilling

Jay

15:09

@ElendilTheTall its quite sunny out

Cindy

You can run...

Anubian Noob

@Cindy You can run, but it's a lot of effort :(

Jay

hehe

Stephie

@AnubianNoob - good one!

Catch me...

Anubian Noob

@Cindy Oh that was a joke

15 hours ago, by Anubian Noob

curiousity killed the cat

@Stephie Catch me if I'm falling

Cindy

15:14

@AnubianNoob Oh, okay. I didn't catch it at first.

Jay

It's not what your country can do for you, it's...

Anubian Noob

do you for?

fkn socialist

It's not what your country can do you for you, it's how much money the rich bureaucrats want

Jay

@AnubianNoob tone it down

Cindy

I must go and return a call about a job. :) Be back shortly.

Anubian Noob

Good luck!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:25

Haa nice room you guyses got here.

ElendilTheTall

Thanks

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh, @Stephie also hangs here.

ElendilTheTall

Yes. She's ours now.

You want her back, you have to fight each of us

I am an 8 foot tall half elven Lord with a legendary sword

Cindy is the demolitions expert

Jay is the stereotypical kung fu master

Jolene, when she's here, is the dead eye sniper

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Cracks knuckles

ElendilTheTall

Faheem will argue you to death

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:28

@Jolene also hangs in ELL's chat, so that's a tie.

Stephie

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - I got tangled in a cunning web of wordplays...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Bah, is this a twisted version of ELU + ELL's chatroom?

\o @Cer

Anubian Noob

@ElendilTheTall what about me?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You're too cute to fight.

Anubian Noob

XD

that works

ElendilTheTall

15:34

Noob is the youthful D'artagnan-like hacker with everything to prove

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Zooming 500%

Nope. The two messages are the same.

BTW guys, to be frank, I'm here to counter with any possible misunderstandings Arrowfar could've caused regarding his mess on ELL's chatrooms yesterday. But I see you've been buckling things up well!

ElendilTheTall

On mobile. It gets confused some times

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Can't expect more from cooks

@ElendilTheTall My condolences

ElendilTheTall

We happen to be a room of polymaths

Cooking is just a cover

Otherwise we would constantly be pestered by world governments etc

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, you're just missing a chemist I see.

ElendilTheTall

15:39

Rumi is a scientist. Kind of. Rumi is the polymath's polymath.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And he can't be pinged. Apparently.

ElendilTheTall

She

Is on vacation

And her nick is @rumtscho :)

Show some goddamn respect!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Huh, Rumi is a Persian poet, so I thought . . .

ElendilTheTall

;)

Well, this Rumi is a Bulgarian android so...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, I think I've seen her on some bio.SE posts.

Stephie

15:40

@ElendilTheTall - thanks! You just gave me my "word of the day" ( a polymath is a retired math teacher from the sixties with an oldfashioned outfit, right?)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Greetings. I'm a molecule. Actually, this time I'm an anion.

ElendilTheTall

That's one definition I'm sure

An onion?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You chefs!

Stephie

negative...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm a dodecahydro-closo-dodecaborate anion with a -2 charge.

(closo- is because of icosahedron-ish geometry)

Cindy

15:45

Couldn't get through to the recruiter. :(

Stephie

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M or, with other words, you're on the edge. Alright, I would be careful here, too.

@Cindy, Awwww, so sorry.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm on the hedge.

Cindy

@Stephie That's okay. I left a message and I'll keep trying.

Stephie

Guys, I have to go... until next time, this was fun!

Cindy

@Stephie See you soon.

I'm off for a bit, too.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:52

\o @Stephie! Visit ELL's chat if you like!

ElendilTheTall

Bye

@Stephie nice to meet you. Auf wiedersehn!

Hmm. Wiedersehen?

Whatever. Bye!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I only know danke. Does that suffice?

ElendilTheTall

No. No it doesn't.

So, @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M... Where are you from?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

(Adding three dots after my name won't ping me; here, use some . . . instead)

I'm from Iran, 16, and a tetralingual.

(Adding an apostrophe s works though --> @Elen's)

(So does one dot: @Ele.)

ElendilTheTall

Ah, our second Iranian

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:59

:O Who be the first?! Tell me please! Puppy eyes

Jay

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M man they get younger and younger

also noob is still youngest

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Ohh wait, I'm taking a shower. BBL

Cerberus

16:18

Hi!

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Stop following me!!! ;P

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Always bragging about your youth and your fancy language knowledge... and here, I barely speak English. :(

Cerberus

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Tetra- is Greek, and lingua is Latin.

You might consider quadrilingual.

ElendilTheTall

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M @Gigili is our First Persian

Jay

@Cerberus it might be possible he did that on purpose to showcase the fact that he is multilingual

Catija

@Cerberus Well, clearly the languages he knows don't include Ancient Greek or Latin :P

ElendilTheTall

16:21

Or German

Farsi and English are the only certs so far

Cerberus

@Jay I doubt it; and, even if that were so, it is just ugly!

@Catija Hehe.

He stuck out his neck too far, so what could I do but slap it?

ElendilTheTall

Slap his neck?

That's... Weird

Jay

@Cerberus haha

Catija

@Cerberus He needs a slap every now and then... but he also needs pats on the head to tell him he did good sometimes, too.

Jay

@Catija i think everyone needs someone to do that for them :3

ElendilTheTall

16:22

Just like a certain canine we all know and tolerate

Cerberus

@Catija Sure, I will give those in good time.

Jay

@Catija are you of russian or ukrainian descent?

Cerberus

@ElendilTheTall I was going to say chop off, but that seemed too cruel, since he is probably monocephalous.

People without heads are even more pitiful than those with a single head.

Catija

@Jay Nope. I'm Italian with a little bit of mutt mixed in. I just found this UN was rarely taken and stuck with it. It's pretty much the Russian version of my real name, Catherine... with the j having a ya sound.

Jay

@Cerberus I believe he is a man. in which case he has two "heads." I'm not sure which one i rather get chopped off x.x

Cerberus

16:25

Tsss.

Jay

@Catija yea thats why i asked. your name sounds very russian

ElendilTheTall

Get yo mind out the gutta @jay!

Catija

@Jay At 16 I hope he's not a "man" yet :P

Jay

@ElendilTheTall its a lost cause, totally impossible

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Cerberus And then @Cat says I'm bragging.

Jay

16:26

@Catija ahaha different times, different definitions

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Technically, I said you're bragging first.

Cerberus

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M There's bragging and there's bragging.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Jay I don't . . . get, I'm an SE yearling, just, my first time here.

@Catija wha?

And there's grabbing.

Hello!

^ Did I just brag there?

Catija

Anyways, how did you end up in here? The link I posted in the LO?

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M We're actually wondering what happened? Nobody is giving any details, but it sounded like a nuclear reactor went haywire in ELL. Shades of Cherbonyl.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:29

@Catija Yeah, he made a mess in ELU's chat during the last drama; and I wanted to make sure he didn't do anything here.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I said that you are bragging about your "tetralingual" status before Cerberus corrected you.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija I was? O.O

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh, no, I think he just followed Jefromi in here.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Sheesh, I'll never understand internet people.

Faheem Mitha

Interesting, this old question suddenly seems to have got some interest. Perhaps because of the bounty.

6

Q: Using the chat reply function without pinging

If you use the reply function in chat, it currently does two things. It links your message to an earlier message. It pings the person who wrote the message you are linking to. In some cases, it can be useful to decouple these two. Specifically, one might want to link to someone elses message ...

Cerberus

16:31

It is tetralogy, because log- is Greek. It is probably related to Latin ling-, yes.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The average person doesn't know four languages... The average person in my neck of the woods knows one. :P But maybe that's just because I'm an American and we don't teach foreign languages.

Faheem Mitha

I still think it is a good idea.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Of course he did. Last time, he went all waa waa! they no talk to me! waa waa and ELUers looked at me like what when I entered there.

He's making the chat atmosphere toxic for Snail and Dam, and I can't allow that.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Anyway, I'm at least wondering what happened. Since Arrowfar seems like an amiable bloke. And there are plenty of difficult people on SE chat. I'm one myself.

Cerberus

@FaheemMitha I agree.

ElendilTheTall

16:32

Me too

Cerberus

He said he was going to delete his account.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, he's a nice guy, but not a victim on this one.

in Language Overflow, 22 hours ago, by Damkerng T.

> Will Bowen
“Hurt people hurt people. We are not being judgmental by separating ourselves from such people. But we should do so with compassion. Compassion is defined as a "keen awareness of the suffering of another coupled with a desire to see it relieved." People hurt others as a result of their own inner strife and pain. Avoid the reactive response of believeing they are bad; they already think so and are acting that way. They aren't bad; they are damaged and they deserve compassion. Note that compassion is an internal process, an understanding of the painful and troubled road trod by a…

Cerberus

Let's hope he will cool down and make a new account soon.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

This guy is whom he's whining about.

Faheem Mitha

So, to follow up on that question/ feature request, it just suggests that being able to reply to someone without pinging them is useful. Which seems hardly controversial.

Catija

16:34

@FaheemMitha Essentially, he was bothering one user in the ELL chat room that the user decided to make a gallery chat room so that he could chat without drama. He specifically requests that people only talk about language structures there and not bring any "dramatic" topics in because he doesn't want to deal with it. Since it's a gallery room and Arrowfar isn't on the list of allowed users, arrowfar uses the main ELL chat room to complain that he is left out of the conversation...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Cerberus Frankly, I'm tired of his thinking that we have something personal against him.

Faheem Mitha

But I got the impression from somewhere that SE has a big backlog of feature requests. Anyone know one way or the other?

Cerberus

@FaheemMitha I don't know; people might abuse it?

For some reason, I don't like it.

Faheem Mitha

@Catija Bothering as in he kept addressing the person who didn't want to be addressed?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

in ELL's Cabin, 23 hours ago, by Arrowfar

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You think he is right? Good to show your real side.

Catija

16:35

@Cerberus He still has his account... it's not been deleted, even on ELL.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Abuse how?

Cerberus

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Let's talk about this issue no more.

@Catija OK good.

Faheem Mitha

We had a situation in U&L like that some time ago. But it seems to have dropped off the radar.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And I was like, the hell?! I wanna help this guy But OK @Cer.

I see no reason in discussing it either.

@FaheemMitha Take a look at FR lines in meta.SE.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus seems really harmless to me. The feature request, I mean. If you reply to a comment, nobody notices, really. It's just a html link, I guess.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Is there a tag?

Cerberus

16:37

@FaheemMitha I don't know, but how does it look when you reply to something I said, controverting me, and I ignore you? It may look as though you had won, or as though I were a coward not to reply. Or you could gossip about me that way and I'd never know.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@FaheemMitha meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/feature-request

And some really popular feature-requests don't get implemented.

Cerberus

@FaheemMitha But I want to notice.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I see.

Cerberus

It is not for the replying person to decide whether or not the person replied to should be notified.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Hmm. But in the midst of a conversation, you'll probably know someone is addressing you, but you don't want to be constantly pinged by the context.

ElendilTheTall

16:38

Just turn your sound off?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

For instance: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/125740/… is one of the most upvoted questions on meta.

Cerberus

Well, you're not pung: it just appears in your inbox, doesn't it?

I don't see the problem.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Why not? Otherwise he's got the choice of (a) annoying you with constant pings (b) writing stuff without context.

@Cerberus pung?

@ElendilTheTall Interesting notion. But no.

Cerberus

The new pastparticiple of ping.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Guys what FR are we talking about? Light the bulbs please.

Faheem Mitha

16:39

@Cerberus Creative.

Cerberus

@FaheemMitha I do not hear or see anything about a comment except the icon on my inbox.

Catija

@ElendilTheTall That's what I did... The ping noise is silly.

Faheem Mitha

9 mins ago, by Faheem Mitha

6

Q: Using the chat reply function without pinging

If you use the reply function in chat, it currently does two things. It links your message to an earlier message. It pings the person who wrote the message you are linking to. In some cases, it can be useful to decouple these two. Specifically, one might want to link to someone elses message ...

feature-request chat

Cerberus

I would certainly not want to remain unnotified when someone replies to me anywhere.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ^^

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:40

Uh-oh, thanks.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Not even in the thick of a conversation, when you are addressing only each other?

Cerberus

Maybe you could make it optional for users to receives notifications from comment replies in their inboxes. But the choice should be up to the recipient.

@FaheemMitha Especially not then.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Ok, well, opinions vary.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Huh, chat pings and replies are weirdly buggy.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M How so?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:42

Sometimes I get a notification for something I replied to half an hour before.

Cerberus

@FaheemMitha So I'm afraid I disagree completely.

Faheem Mitha

19,487 questions tagged feature request. Wowza.

@Cerberus Yes, I got that.

Cerberus

I would be annoyed if people replied to me without my being notified.

Faheem Mitha

Though, with that kind of backlog, it's probably an academic issue. Maybe SE will get aroung to considering it in 2050 or so. And that might be too late.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@FaheemMitha Funny thing is, sometimes an unpopular FR gets implemented.

Cerberus

16:43

However, as long as the recipient can turn off the option that you would introduce, of course I would be fine with it.

Faheem Mitha

I mean, we could have a Zombie Apocalypse any time.

And the Zombies probably wouldn't care about Stack Exchange.

Except for brains.stackexchange.com, perhaps.

ElendilTheTall

This room would be first to go

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's a strange old world.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

-11

Q: Reputation changes also to inbox

I would like to see my reputation changes in the StackExchange inbox as notifications. I have several accounts on different StackExchange sub-portals and it annous me to watch time by time if the reputation has changed at any of them. I have to admit that I am little bit addicted to see my reput...

feature-request status-completed reputation notifications global-inbox

ElendilTheTall

The fucking brain trust right here!

Faheem Mitha

16:44

@ElendilTheTall Well, you'd get eaten very quickly. I'm sure your brains are delicious.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@FaheemMitha No, SE and its devs are weird.

But yeah, the world is weird too.

So am I. So are you.

Huh that rhymes.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Ok. Though SE is not big on user options, as far as I can tell. Are there even any user settable options?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@FaheemMitha On receiving emails, mostly.

Cerberus

Few.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M oh

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:46

Edit profile and settings -> Preferences

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Ok. I don't think I've ever looked at that.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hah!

SE's biggest problem currently isn't design-independent graduation, nor small betas that don't attract traffic or experts, but is not having a manual.

Some FRs don't get implemented solely for the reason that they may "overcomplicate" stuff.

Cerberus

That's what developers always say.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Like all of this voodoo isn't complicated already.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I think we can figure it out.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:52

@FaheemMitha Occasionally, even people that eat meta three meals a day get confused in The Tavern since they have no idea how something is going to be dealt with, or implemented.

BTW your CSS reminds me of salsa and ketchup.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Well, small betas is a problem. I mentioned earlier (i think here) that the Sexuality beta got closed, which is surprising to me. Hard to imagine a topic more popular than sex.

I guess it didn't get enough sexperts.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@FaheemMitha Embedded systems also got closed. For the second time.

Cerberus

Perhaps people on SE have no time for sex.

Faheem Mitha

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Bummer.

@Cerberus Perhaps.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You've visiting from ELL?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

My parent site in chem. But yeah, I'm an ELL chat reg too.

Faheem Mitha

16:56

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ok. Are you a chemist, then?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Semi-chemist, since I'm just 16. :)

Faheem Mitha

My home site is U&L. But the chat there is not terribly active.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M oh

Well, it's good to get started early. Life is short.

Anubian Noob

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ayyy young people

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You wouldn't be saying that if you see the Young's Modulus.

Anubian Noob

I don't follow

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:12

So are you hiding?

Anubian Noob

No I only lead

Or I do my own thing

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Puppy eyes?

Anubian Noob

17:28

Dodecaborate

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What about it?

Jefromi

18:14

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M While obviously it's fine for there to be non-cooking chat in here, I'd rather keep it welcoming for cooking folks and not let other sites' chat drama spill over into here. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with anything in particular, it's just that if there's something that needs sorting out, I'd appreciate it if you'd sort it out on the appropriate site's chat or meta.

Richard

@Cerberus - That would certainly explain why sexuality:SE closed down after less than an month.

Jay

@Richard wait that was a thing? where was i when it was up :/

Richard

@Jay - It lasted a very short amount of time. As far as I can tell, they argued constantly and refused to engage constructively.

A bit like most people's sex lives, really...

Jay

haha i can definitely see that happening

Jefromi

It's actually been tried twice now, right?

I think there's probably also an issue of having a lot of people who want to read and not nearly so many who want to post.

Richard

18:30

@Jefromi - The major issue is one of subjectivity. Most visitors were upvoting the answers they enjoyed best, with no conception of objectivity.

Jay

@Jefromi i can imagine some things would be embarassing to post about

Richard

There's also the issue that most "sexologists" are quacks

Jefromi

@Richard Perhaps - but still, the one 3 years ago had only 4.5 questions/day during the initial public beta "rush", and the new one had 4.2.

Jay

sex is just an overall controversial topic

@Jefromi whats the rate at SA?

just so i can put things in perspective

Jefromi

@Jay I think it's about 8 now.

It was way higher during the first couple weeks of beta I believe, and fell to 7.6 by the time it graduated.

Jay

18:33

@Richard omg just noticed your profile pic is buffy <3

@Jefromi i think our rate went way high a year or so ago when we had those competitions

those were good times

Richard

data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/60296/…

@Jay - Buffy approves of you noticing.

Jay

the whole chatroom has brighten up <3

I was looking through the different SE sites and saw blender

at first i thought it was a site for the appliance blender and was super confused why that existed lol

Jefromi

I know, I can't believe the blender snobs wouldn't just post here.

Jay

hmmm parenting SE looks like it will be interesting to read

Cindy

Hi @Jefromi!

What is the blender site?

Jay

18:46

@Cindy its related to video game making

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Jefromi I'm truly sorry. The other conversation topic suddenly stopped and people kept talking about that drama. If I spoiled anyone's mood, I apologize. I'm tired of him stalking and flagging every message I post, really. No one would be as happy as me to stop talking about it. And since it's pointless and he won't cooperate, I won't and don't want to continue this discussion.

Life is too short for sobbing over spilled milk.

Cindy

Never mind. I found blender.

@Jay Thanks.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Jay Even for me!

Sigh I need a break from chat.

Jay

19:04

some of these questions are so interesting haha

1

Q: My 4 and half year old is scared of going for a poo because of pain

Two months ago, my 4.5 year old daughter had an illness that caused her to be constipated. At that time, it hurt to go poo. She has recovered from the illness, but has been afraid of pooping ever since. I have tried all sorts of things: rewards, removal of treats, not talking about it, talking a...

pre-schooler bowel-movements pain

Faheem Mitha

@Richard Eek. Animated GIFs.

While I approve of your choice of animated GIF in this specific instance, I deplore the use of them in general.

Jay

@FaheemMitha too much buffy stimulation to handle without prior notice right? i feel the same way

Faheem Mitha

@Jay No, I just object to animated GIFs. I have no problem with SMG.

I'm guessing that's from the episode where Buffy gets telepathy, though I could be wrong.

A "real" fan would know the name of the episode.

SMG really was pretty yummy back in the day. Still is, probably, but we don't see much of her nowadays.

Richard

@FaheemMitha - Earshot

Faheem Mitha

@Richard Was I right, then?

Jay

19:12

I seen buffy all the way through ~5-6 times and i dont know any episode names

Richard

@FaheemMitha - Yes, as far as I can recall.

Jay

just not something i pay attention to

Faheem Mitha

@Richard Oh, you're an SF mod. Any particular reason why you are slumming it here?

Jefromi

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M No worries, I understand that it's not a good situation.

Faheem Mitha

I vaguely remember that shot. It's when Zander can't control his thoughts.

Jefromi

19:13

@Cindy Hey!

Jay

@FaheemMitha yo, dont talk down on our cozy little chatroom. if you think its slumming down, you dont have to be here :P

Faheem Mitha

@Jay Just kidding.

Richard

@FaheemMitha - Flags raised. Just thought I'd pop in and see what all the fuss was about.

Jay

@FaheemMitha lol i know I was just playing

Faheem Mitha

@Richard Flags? What flags?

Jay

19:14

@FaheemMitha hahah my thoughts too, I was here all day and apparently some drama was occurring and i completely missed it

Richard

@FaheemMitha - Relating to the situation with Arrowfar

Jay

i do have a pretty effective drama shield which naturally filters drama out of my life though

Faheem Mitha

@Richard It seems safe to assume you are a Buffy fan. Possibly also a SMG fan. Also possibly a JW fan.

@Richard Never did figure out what that was about. But never mind.

@Jay Congratulations.

Jay

@FaheemMitha its hard to imagine a buffy fan and not being a SMG or JW fan

im sure its possible but highly improbable

Faheem Mitha

@Jay It's possible. You might be mad for Willow, or Anya, or Tara. Or have the hots for one of the male leads. Or just like the story without feeling compelled to worship at the altar of SMG.

Richard

19:16

@FaheemMitha - I like Buffy more than I like SMG.

Faheem Mitha

Personally, I like Anya. The character's personality. Plus Emma is super cute.

Jefromi

@Jay We spiked at around 50-60 questions/day during the beginning of public beta, fell off to 20ish after a couple weeks then more gradually fell down to ~8 by graduation, and we've hovered in that general area most of the site's history I think.

Richard

I liked her before she was SMG

Faheem Mitha

@Richard Fair enough. Buffy is a superhero. SMG is an actress. No real competition.

Jay

@FaheemMitha (spoiler) I'm still upset about her gratuitous death

@Richard omg that movie was terrible lol

Faheem Mitha

19:17

@Richard Oh yes. That Movie.

Richard

@Jay - Terribly good.

Faheem Mitha

@Jay It wasn't that bad. Though there are probably few people on earth who think of KS as Buffy.

Jay

@Richard haha we'll agree to disagree :P

Jefromi

@Jay The contests didn't actually increase questions/day by a whole ton, maybe a couple above average.

Faheem Mitha

@Jay I wasn't happy about it either.

Jay

19:19

@Jefromi oh yea? I guess it just seemed like more since i was so much more active with the actual site(as oppose to just the chat) when the competition was going on

Faheem Mitha

@Jefromi You're talking about Cooking?

Richard

@Jay - How can you not love this

?

Jefromi

@FaheemMitha Yes, this is the cooking chat room, if you didn't notice.

Jay

@Richard at work so i cant watch videos right now

Richard

@Jay - Lame.

Jefromi

19:20

@Jay Yeah, I think it got people excited but not too large a fraction of people actually asked questions? It's a little hard to tell exactly how big a deal it was since things are noisy and there's seasonal variation too, and I'm lazy.

Jay

@Jefromi haha no problem. i originally asked out of curiosity to compare to the sex.se traffic

@Jefromi I wonder if the blog had help with traffic. I remember the blogs being pretty high quality

Jefromi

Yeah, our long-term average traffic is probably at least 80% more than theirs in the beginning of beta when it should be booming, so... not a great sign.

Jay

@Jefromi yea definitely not

i should go check out some other betas

see if any of them interests me

I think the pet.se seem to be doing pretty well

Faheem Mitha

@Jefromi I think they were a bit hasty closing that beta. It could have settled down eventually.

Of course, keeping things constructive could have been quite challenging.

Jefromi

@FaheemMitha I wasn't looking at it so I don't know about the quality/community type issues, but I know that 3 years ago when they shut the previous one down the lack of question volume on its own was enough reason.

So with the new one presumably even if things did settle down and get constructive, they'd still be facing that problem, and it's not necessarily worth putting everyone (especially moderators) through that.

Faheem Mitha

19:27

@Jefromi question volume can also change, as more people get to know about it. U&L gets lots of traffic from new people. Granted, most of it is not of high quality.

But these sites do go through an evolutionary process.

And there are some sites that get almost no traffic and are still around.

Jefromi

@FaheemMitha Certainly, though I believe the vast majority of sites have had an initial rush followed by a decline then either gradual growth or stability. So if the initial rush doesn't look good...

But yes, SE has gotten substantially more willing to have lower-traffic sites, as long as things are going well.

Faheem Mitha

Well, sex is a pretty popular topic. More than U&L, certainly. About the same as Cooking probably.

Anubian Noob

damn I just realized board and card games is still in beta

Started 4 years ago

Faheem Mitha

I don't really understand the SE business model.

@AnubianNoob Some sites have been in beta for ages.

Jay

@Jefromi what determines if a site can graduate from beta

Jefromi

19:33

@AnubianNoob Don't read too much into the beta label.

@Jay That's a bit in flux, actually.

Anubian Noob

Well who decides?

Jefromi

Finding the appropriate meta questions...

302

Q: Graduation, site closure, and a clearer outlook on the health of SE sites

Back in April of 2010, Joel shared our assumptions about the role of small sites in the newly minted Stack Exchange network: If a site does not have enough activity at the end of 90 days, it will be closed down. Any existing Q&A will be archived and made available for download, but the site...

discussion beta-phase beta-sites graduating-sites

205

Q: Feedback Requested: Design-Independent Graduation

Last month's announcement about our updated criteria for graduation and site closure sparked some solid examination into the intended nature of public beta and graduation. One thing these discussions showed us is that, contrary to what the Community Team had long believed, getting a custom desig...

discussion design beta-phase graduating-sites

Anubian Noob

Thanks

Jefromi

@AnubianNoob StackExchange community team decides in the end, but it's a little complicated.

One of the big roadblocks is that it takes time/money to create designs for sites and sort through a lot of the graduation stuff, so the second post there is about trying to do the easy parts of graduation earlier, even without a design change.

So ideally in the past, if a site got enough traffic (blah blah details) it'd graduate, but there were a lot of delays, so the biggest ones got priority, and some smaller sites that probably should've graduated didn't.

At this point codereview.stackexchange.com is a pretty good example of a large site that has managed somehow to still be in beta.

ElendilTheTall

@Cindy hey

Jefromi

19:38

So in the future once all this gets hammered out, you'll still have to be doing well in some sense ("enough" traffic, things are stable, no glaring community issues, etc), but you probably won't need quite the scale of traffic you used to? But who knows, they're obviously not done figuring it all out yet.

Anubian Noob

Are graduation and redesign still tightly coupled? It looks like they're becoming less so?

Jefromi

@AnubianNoob Right, that's the point of the second post there - they want to decouple them (and so does the community) and it's just details to sort out.

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