Coding Projects and Duga Heaven :)

Phrancis

00:00

Reload coming soon ;D

Duga

RELOAD!

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] 11 commits. 1 issue comment.

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] 38 commits. 3 opened issues. 4 closed issues. 17 issue comments.

Simon André Forsberg

@Duga HOLY CRAP!

Phrancis

@Duga HOLY CARP

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #984 for commit 5dde272a on branch groovy broken

@SimonAndr, your build reported bad status: Broken!

Simon André Forsberg

@Duga Your commit link is broken! (blaming @skiwi!)

Duga

00:07

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #985 for commit c9d38d71 on branch js passed

Phrancis

Does Travis actually build the project each time?

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit 0a7d3b7e to groovy: added a null safety check when scanning groovy mods

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis yes

Phrancis

So if I made changes that would make the project not buildable/compilable on my machine it would actually catch that?

(not that I would ever do that, cough cough)

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis your machine != Travis. Just because it works on Travis doesn't mean that it also works on your machine. And vice versa. And the same the other way around. And vice versa too.

Just because it works on Travis doesn't mean that it also works on your machine.
Just because it works on your machine doesn't mean that it also works on Travis.
Just because it fails on Travis doesn't mean that it also fails on your machine.
Just because it fails on your machine doesn't mean that it also fails on Travis.

Phrancis

00:14

lol

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #986 for commit 0a7d3b7e on branch groovy fixed

Phrancis

Hm this should be interesting. I'm purposefully including things which are not strictly speaking "creatures" in Mythos as creature cards. Things like places, and this one I just came across DAO which is really more of a concept

I might actually pick the Chinese for myself at first, looks like a very interesting one to me

Simon André Forsberg

00:31

@Phrancis DAO? Data Access Object?

Phrancis

"The Way. The Great Ultimate. The Secret of the Universe."

Reference, Daoism

How to translate that into a card is a bit of a question mark :)

> It holds that the Universe, far from being a complex web of tangled events, is actually very very simple. All forms of matter and being are merely manifestations of YIN and YANG, surrounded by QI energy.

> LAO-ZI taught: "The most effective course of action is always to do nothing." Which means The Way cannot be found by seeking it. All we can suggest is that you find a gentle stream and gaze upon it until your mind is flowing in harmony. If that doesn’t work, try reading the Dao-De-Jing (Tao-Te-Ching), which is full of wisdom and doesn’t have any long words in it.

Very interesting philosophy, for sure

Ah, that would make a great AOE concept, I think! While present, give all cards +1 health (or something like that)

Or maybe +1 to owner, -1 to opponent

Though +1 to all sounds more interesting

Duga

00:49

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit d7753b76 to groovy: added support for set in enchantments

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #987 for commit d7753b76 on branch groovy passed

Phrancis

01:15

@Duga @Simon what does set do? :D

Wait, we've had that already right?

Duga

01:42

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit 36420b87 to groovy: added support for onEndOfTurn trigger, and for summon effect

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit 4cacbfa6 to groovy: added support for afterPlay

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis yes, it's the same as in JS. Nothing new. Just new for groovy.

@Phrancis How do you like this one? github.com/Cardshifter/Cardshifter/blob/…

card('Inside Man') {
    creature "Bio"
    health 6
    attack 2
    noAttack true
    afterPlay {
        summon 1 of 'Bodyman' to 'owner' zone 'Battlefield'
    }
    manaCost 8
    flavor "A government official with wider web control. Usually brings friends."
}

This:

afterPlay {
    summon 1 of 'Bodyman' to 'owner' zone 'Battlefield'
}

@skiwi @bazola @Marc-Andre ^^

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg Wait a minute... wait... does that actually work!?

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis It does!

Phrancis

WUT

3

Simon André Forsberg

I just tested it

it works fine

Phrancis

01:45

NO WAY

Simon André Forsberg

yes way

Phrancis

Wow, that's crazy

Simon André Forsberg

Nope, it's... Groovy

(Never heard that one before, have you?)

Phrancis

I just can't wrap my mind around "This plain English statement is actually code"

Simon André Forsberg

The power of Groovy DSLs!

Phrancis

01:48

That's outrageous.

Some people still write C++ code, right?

rolfl

Is there supposed to be a comma after "code" ?

Phrancis

No

Well, OK yes

rolfl

Then, no, no-one has ever written C++ code right... it's all wrong..... somehow... ;-)

2

Phrancis

Nooooooo ! I almost got a screenshot of somehoe

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #988 for commit 4cacbfa6 on branch groovy passed

Simon André Forsberg

01:51

TTGTB

rolfl

hi... & bye

Phrancis

Bye Simon, great work :)

@rolfl I was just going to say, Groovy seems to be such a huge step ahead of "old" (relatively speaking) things like C++

(I realize we are all older than C++, so either we're old or it's very relative)

Stack Exchange

06:18

This *will* look much prettier when it ships. Promise. #Navigate #VBA http://t.co/v08xi4wjPJ

Tweeted by rubberduckvba on May 19, 2015 at 6:02 AM

skiwi

08:47

hey

Marc-Andre

12:55

@Phrancis First appeared 1983; 32 years ago -> I'm not :P

Simon André Forsberg

13:07

Neither am I

skiwi

I am, neither

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit a2ea274d to groovy: setting properties on cards didn't seem to work, calling methods instead. i.e. don't do attack = 4, just do attack 4

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit 9ebc14ac to groovy: added whilePresent functionality

Simon André Forsberg

whilePresent {
    change ATTACK, HEALTH by 1 withPriority 1 onCards {
        creatureType 'Bio'
        ownedBy 'you'
        zone 'Battlefield'
    }
}

@Phrancis ^^

skiwi

13:24

@SimonAndréForsberg MAGIC!

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi close.

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #989 for commit 9ebc14ac on branch groovy passed

skiwi

Reflux is also some kind of magic, but some other kind that is

Phrancis

13:39

@Marc-Andre I'm not either lol. Whoops. check-your-facts

2

@SimonAndréForsberg Whoa. That's crazy.

3

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis it is starting to get a bit crazy :)

Phrancis

DSLs are awesome. I'm truly amazed that that code would actually work, it really reads almost like plain English

Would ATTACK, HEALTH by -1 also work just like that?

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis yup, that would also work

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis added label groovy to issue #226: "onDeath" trigger

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis removed label javascript from issue #226: "onDeath" trigger

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis added label groovy to issue #218: Pre-0.6 release clean-up

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis commented on issue #218: Pre-0.6 release clean-up

> Maybe change this issue a bit now that we're moving towards Groovy?

Phrancis

13:57

Bye JavaScript!

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis commented on issue #218: Pre-0.6 release clean-up

> Actually, I think we should probably just start a new one, since the code has changed so much, and it might be a few weeks yet until we're ready for 0.6 using Groovy?

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis commented on issue #218: Pre-0.6 release clean-up

> Starting a new one might be a good idea, but there's really only one thing left to add for Groovy to have fully replaced JS, and that's the damage and heal effects. Shouldn't take too long to add.

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis closed issue #218: Pre-0.6 release clean-up

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis commented on issue #218: Pre-0.6 release clean-up

> Will start a new one soon, don't forget we also need to make Mythos work, which in itself may not be that difficult but will take some time to make the cards and such

Simon André Forsberg

14:13

@Duga @Phrancis is Mythos planned for 0.6 or 0.7 ?

Phrancis

I'm shooting for 0.6 if possible

Simon André Forsberg

should be possible

Phrancis

It'd just be a bit weird to me to ship 0.6 and the game itself is basically exactly the same as 0.5 (even though the stuff in the background has changed a lot)

Simon André Forsberg

true that

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis assigned Zomis to issue #222: Groovy-based modding

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis added label next release to issue #222: Groovy-based modding

Simon André Forsberg

14:24

@Phrancis This has changed though: github.com/Cardshifter/Cardshifter/issues/169

Phrancis

How so?

Phrancis

14:36

@SimonAndréForsberg I think we could get by with a limited version of Mythos, i.e., changing the game rules as discussed on that issue, and making say 3 pantheons, and then just add more later for 0.7

bazola

15:09

@SimonAndréForsberg its pretty cool that your question got an answer from one of the people involved in making groovy

Simon André Forsberg

15:26

@Phrancis sure. But for 0.6, the concept of factions/classes as described in github.com/Cardshifter/Cardshifter/issues/175 won't exist. So there will not be a restriction about the cards you can pick.

@bazola Indeed. This little SO question almost made me want to post more SO questions.

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg That's fine, I have absolutely no objection on being able to pick cards from multiple mythologies

Simon André Forsberg

16:14

@Duga Why didn't you remind me to also test the application AFTER May 1st?

20

Q: Get username field in Facebook Graph API 2.0

The "old" Facebook Graph API had a "username" field which could be used to create a human-readable profile URL. My username for example is "sebastian.trug" which results in a Facebook profile URL http://www.facebook.com/sebastian.trug. With Graph API 2.0 Facebook has removed the "username" field...

Screw you, Facebook!

3

Facebook login for my Minesweeper Flags game hasn't been working for the past 18 days...

Phrancis

What does it need a Facebook login for?

Simon André Forsberg

16:31

@Phrancis because I want to avoid having to deal with login authentication myself

Phrancis

Ah that makes sense

Authentication sounds like a PITA

~~Could~~ Should we do something like that at some point for Cardshifter?

skiwi

16:45

@SimonAndréForsberg I thought you fixed it

btw, some parts about Python/Django are not that bad

> >>> from django.contrib.auth.models import User
>>> User.objects.all()
[<User: skiwi>, <User: skiwi2>, <User: testuser>, <User: blob>, <User: oi>, <User: ITWORKS!!!>, <User: user>, <User: ski>]
>>> User.objects.filter(username="skiwi")
[<User: skiwi>]

Emphasis on some parts

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis yes

@skiwi I updated the Facebook SDK in Android, but I never actually tried it. This problem lies on the Java server.

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg You published something without testing?

I hadn't expected that!

Simon André Forsberg

No. The server was already published. I didn't expect any errors with it.

And I did test my Android app, thoroughly.

skiwi

Hmm ok, strange bug then?

Simon André Forsberg

No, not a strange bug. Facebook removed the "username" field that I relied on.

Marc-Andre

16:56

That I believed a lot of people relied on ;)

Phrancis

Hey @Marc-Andre :D

Marc-Andre

Hey :D

skiwi

17:31

@SimonAndréForsberg Silly Facebook

is that also the OAuth 2.0 API?

Because preferably this week I'll need to integrate Facebook, Twitter and Google+ as options to login for the project

Simon André Forsberg

yes, it's OAuth 2.0

skiwi

The user name is still retrievable right? Just no unique identifier anymore?

btw, so many usable elements here! react-bootstrap.github.io/components.html#

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi This is available:

{
   "id": "705270130",
   "first_name": "Simon",
   "gender": "male",
   "last_name": "Forsberg",
   "link": "http://www.facebook.com/705270130",
   "locale": "en_US",
   "middle_name": "Andr\u00e9",
   "name": "Simon Andr\u00e9 Forsberg",
   "timezone": 2,
   "updated_time": "2014-09-13T20:36:45+0000",
   "verified": true
}

But before, there was also: "username": "simon.forsberg"

but they deleted that. because if you know that username, you can also send e-mails to people. by using [email protected]

skiwi

Hmm, that id is unique?

Simon André Forsberg

yes

skiwi

17:37

For my purpose (knowing it beforehand) it would probably work

It does mean that once you signed up with Facebook you can only log in with Facebook thereafter, unless the client wants to add a convert to full account option

If I knew Bootstrap + ReactJS/AngularJS/etc. was so awesome beforehand, then I would've never bothered with JavaFX

What the hell is a Jumbotron

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi What about Desktop development?

@skiwi this is: getbootstrap.com/examples/jumbotron

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg I think webapps are better, or build a shell program around them

Only in special cases (Hey Cardshifter!) other frameworks seem appropiate

@SimonAndréForsberg Should use those more often, as my sites from time to time feel empty

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi Huh, seems like you've been converted ~~to the dark side~~

@skiwi bootstrap examples are awesome

skiwi

Because I've worked with desktop technologies... I suppose

Simon André Forsberg

I have also worked with desktop technologies, but I've worked with webtechnologies too.

Although I have not yet worked with ReactJS and AngularJS.

@skiwi I'm not myself 100% convinced that LibGDX is the best option for the client-side. I don't know what could be a better option though.

skiwi

17:53

@SimonAndréForsberg Well, if we want graphics, then we'll need graphics

Marc-Andre

@SimonAndréForsberg It's easier to make pretty interface with a web application. I find desktop technologies are harder to do clean and good looking interfaces.

Simon André Forsberg

@Marc-Andre I find CSS horrifyingly complicated at times...

skiwi

With Butstrap you don't need CSS to make pretty interfaces

2

Marc-Andre

Sure for you.... but you don't need to know css when you have a web designer that's the beauty of web development

@skiwi Butstrap lol

skiwi

oops

Well, reverting that edit then

:D

TypeError: type is undefined

Thanks...

Simon André Forsberg

18:00

@skiwi JavaScript?

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg Yeah

I don't get this, we use so many nice libraries in this project, but our pages don't use it

Simon André Forsberg

Now, what was it you said about Web development again? :)

Phrancis

@skiwi Bootstrap is awesome.

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg There's not much going around that...

Know what you are doing and don't do validation in JavaScript

In fact, don't use JavaScript whenever there is the possibility

Simon André Forsberg

my point exactly ^^

skiwi

18:03

But say writing a web application in GWT purely to avoid JavaScript is probably not a good idea

Simon André Forsberg

not if the only goal is to avois JS, probably not.

Then I would probably use Dart instead.

skiwi

NodeJS is actually very easy to use to create a web server though

When going with ReactJS you practically are using JSX + ES6 anyway

Phrancis

Marc-Andre

@skiwi Not doing validation on JavaScript is not the advice I would give. I would say something like : Don't do a validation in JavaScript that you won't do on your server

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis Indian?

skiwi

18:14

@Marc-Andre Well yes, you can validate forms, but you don't need complicated stuff there

@Phrancis Elephant?

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Duga

@Duga has nothing to remind anyone of today!

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis commented on issue #217: Card images

> We are definitely going to need JPG for Mythos, I'm noticing that a lot of images of different deities on Wikimedia and such are largely JPG since they are renditions of traditional art

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg Yup. That is Indra, the ruler of all the Hindu Gods

skiwi

Oh great, I had the wrong import, but it was a valid import, it just gave errors

Phrancis

18:31

How cool is that! ^^

> Dashavatara: (from left) Matsya, Kurma, Varaha, Narasimha, Vamana, Parashurama, Rama, Balarama, Krishna, Kalki.

Simon André Forsberg

18:50

There we go, server updated.

Phrancis

Wow, this is beautiful

Monument of Indra in Bangkok

Simon André Forsberg

19:18

ugh...

org.hibernate.exception.JDBCConnectionException: Communications link failure

skiwi

19:35

@SimonAndréForsberg Still not fixed?

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi sometimes it works, sometimes not.

The Facebook issue has been fixed. This is a database issue.

skiwi

The fun of maintaining apps?

Damnit, my hands are feeling Groovy

Simon André Forsberg

19:56

feeling like coding groovy?

Caused by: java.util.concurrent.RejectedExecutionException: Task java.util.concurrent.FutureTask@2bc53ed4 rejected from java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor@54769824[Terminated, pool size = 0, active threads = 0, queued tasks = 0, completed tasks = 17]

pool size 0 ? No wonder it's rejected...

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg But no time or motivation :|

Take the motivation there with a grain of salt, just tired

Duga

20:51

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis pushed commit 0d6079d4 to js: Update norse.groovy

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #990 for commit 0d6079d4 on branch js passed

bazola

@SimonAndréForsberg i finally dug into your solution for cardshifter that allows for the different sockets to work on different platforms. it was very helpful, i feel like i made a breakthrough with regards to using interfaces and coding to a contract

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis added label mod to issue #231: "Mythos" decks

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis added label gameplay to issue #231: "Mythos" decks

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis opened issue #231: "Mythos" decks

> So far I have put together what will be 6 mythologies (will likely add more in the future). We need to come up with 10-12 (or more) cards for each. Here they are, please edit your name in if/when you want to work on that one. I would like if each mythology was done by a different person, if possible, for the sake of variety. Here they are:

- Greek: Jay
- Norse: tentatively @Zomis
- Egyptian: @MGS1GreyFox
- Chinese: @Phrancis
- Roman
- Hindu

Short guidelines:

- Refer to issue #22

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis added label help wanted to issue #231: "Mythos" decks

bazola

i haven't finished up my solution yet (haven't been feeling good the last couple of days) but I am curious about the NonGWTPlatform project. it seems unfortunate to need a whole project for what is essentially just two files. i tried to think of another way to do it, but it seems like the alternative is to have the NonGWTPlatform and Socket classes in each of the projects, so it would be some code duplication

Simon André Forsberg

@bazola Nice. Yes, the extraction of a good interface is really what makes it possible. I remember that I really learned a lot when I started understanding why interfaces is sometimes a good idea

bazola

on the other hand, you may want to have other Platform related things that would be different for Android, iOS, etc, so it might be something that ends up happening anyway. Since the platform is really a way to inject whatever you want into the libGDX game object

Simon André Forsberg

21:05

@bazola yeah, I think having it as a project module is the best way to clean it up. Even though it is a small dependency, it is a dependency.

bazola

@SimonAndréForsberg i'm not sure if objective-c has anything analogous to the way that you can use interfaces to integrate multiple projects in java

the only downside to the whole interface thing is that it did take me a couple of hours of snooping to fully understand how all the interfaces work together to create the actual functionality that happens

Simon André Forsberg

@bazola I think Objective-C works a bit differently. You can detect if methods exist, if a method exist, you can use it.

@bazola welcome to the world of interfaces :)

bazola

hehe :) i guess it becomes second nature after a while

it seems like it makes java a whole lot more flexible than languages that do not have the same interface possibilities

Simon André Forsberg

I think all languages have those possibilities, in one way or another.

The question is just how to do it

Duga

21:28

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis commented on issue #231: "Mythos" decks

> Here are a few useful links:

- [Cards](https://github.com/Cardshifter/Cardshifter/tree/js/extra-resources/mods/mythos)
- [Documentation](https://github.com/Cardshifter/Cardshifter/tree/js/Documentation)

Duga

21:39

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis commented on issue #231: "Mythos" decks

> Note that the documentation does not match the actual format, as the format has changed recently from JavaScript to Groovy.

The format you're using doesn't matter much IMO, you could write the values of the cards in pure english if you would like - the groovy format isn't far from plain English anyway ;)

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis commented on issue #231: "Mythos" decks

> Right. I'll update the documentation once the DSL syntax is settled :)

Duga

22:14

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis closed issue #183: JSON card loader with effects

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis removed label ready from issue #183: JSON card loader with effects

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis commented on issue #183: JSON card loader with effects

> I don't think this is going to happen, considering what the new Groovy modding has showed. Closing this as wontfix.

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis added label wontfix to issue #183: JSON card loader with effects

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis assigned Zomis to issue #226: "onDeath" trigger

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis added label in progress to issue #226: "onDeath" trigger

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis commented on issue #187: Multi-card/group effects & properties in a moddable way

> Would effects like these be something to consider for #223 Mythos ?

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis added label in progress to issue #211: whilePresent, onEndOfTurn, and afterPlay at once

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis assigned Zomis to issue #211: whilePresent, onEndOfTurn, and afterPlay at once

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis commented on issue #187: Multi-card/group effects & properties in a moddable way

> Yes, that would definitely fit with Mythos

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis commented on issue #187: Multi-card/group effects & properties in a moddable way

> Not entirely sure if it will pop up in 0.6, but I'm marking it as such for now

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Phrancis commented on issue #187: Multi-card/group effects & properties in a moddable way

> This one could wait for 0.7 IMO, I wouldn't make this more priority over the stuff we do want in 0.6

Marc-Andre

There are star walls, but here we have commits wall

Simon André Forsberg

22:29

naaah, this is a github comment wall

Phrancis

May 14 at 21:52, by Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis Do you ever get the feeling that sometimes we chat through @Duga? :)

Simon André Forsberg

22:49

afterPlay {
    drawCard 'you', 1
}

@Phrancis ^^

I was considering trying to make it something like you draw 1 card, but this will have to do for now. Might support another version of it later (while still keeping the current one of course)

Phrancis

23:01

Beautiful :)

Are you changing owner to you or do these do different things?

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis Where is owner ?

aha

you mean

drawCard 'owner', 1

I'm changing it, yes. I think this reads more naturally.

Phrancis

I like you a lot. So simple, I'm surprised we haven't thought of using that until you did

Simon André Forsberg

You like me? Naaaw.

I don't know why I started thinking about you

I think many Magic cards and maybe even HS uses you a lot

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg lol

you is natural to the modder, and to the player it doesn't matter since they don't see the code so I think it's a good choice and unambiguous

Would it be desirable/possible to make it like afterPlay { 'you' drawCard, 1}

(argument before action)

Minor thing, but it would read better

Simon André Forsberg

25 mins ago, by Simon André Forsberg

I was considering trying to make it something like you draw 1 card, but this will have to do for now. Might support another version of it later (while still keeping the current one of course)

Marc-Andre

23:17

@Phrancis ahaha on my screen the code style is not really apparent

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit e256f88a to groovy: added drawCard groovy effect

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit 5e9e9153 to groovy: added the possibility in Groovy to have multiple effects on the same card, handling issue #211

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis pushed commit bbf38e40 to groovy: added heal and damage effect, corrected the usage in the card-sets

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis closed issue #211: whilePresent, onEndOfTurn, and afterPlay at once

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis removed label in progress from issue #211: whilePresent, onEndOfTurn, and afterPlay at once

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis I think Groovy pretty much supports everything that JS did now, and it is much easier (for me at least) to add support for more things

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg I'm impressed with Groovy, to say the least.

(coming from the guy who is not writing the code (yet))

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] build #991 for commit bbf38e40 on branch groovy passed

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis So am I, to say the least.

I'm starting to feel that it might not be good for performance though. It takes about 3 seconds for me at the moment to start a new Groovy-based game. Compared to about 2 seconds for a JavaScript-based game, and less than one second for a pure Java game.

so far, this is only when starting a game though, so I don't think it's much to worry about

and even if it is something to worry about, I still think Groovy's worth it considering the advantages.

@Phrancis technically, if you write a mod now you will write code :)

If you can you write attack 1, you are writing code ;)

Marc-Andre

23:33

waiting at the start of something is not bad. There are some study on what are the accepted delay. There is always improvement we can do too :D

Simon André Forsberg

attack 1 is the same thing as attack(1);

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg Wouldn't be a big deal, later on, to add a "Loading" screen like every other game has, if we need to. TBH, 3 seconds is trivial compared to say, Hearthstone's loading time

Simon André Forsberg

And if the loading time feels too long for someone, we'll come up with ~~lame excuses~~ funny reasons for why.

Phrancis

I think some games do a really good job of coming up with interesting loading screens

Marc-Andre

Yep Civ 5 loading screen where there is a quick explanation about the civ you're playing :D

Simon André Forsberg

23:44

@Phrancis I can think of HearthStone and SimCity games especially.

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Simon André Forsberg

now that @Marc-Andre mentions Civ 5, I can also think of Age of Empires 3 where you get to see what map you will be playing on while the game starts.

@Duga ugh, seems like I need to post more answers soon

Phrancis

Marc-Andre

Well this is not the real text but that's the spirit

Phrancis

Skyrim, that's what I was thinking of! The loading is so stinking long between areas, they better come up with something interesting

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