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So I have set up a little experiment which involves a HDD BLDC Motor, a scope and a multimeter. Is it possible to determine the inductance of a phase by the voltage it produces?
 
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09:43
Maybe this will help:
http://www.ctc-control.com/customer/elearning/younkin/motorParameters.pdf
Theres a section called Motor Inductance L
On the bottom of page 4.
 
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11:03
White House brewing its own beer @Kortuk
Ell
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11:52
hi all
@Ell morning
12:11
@jippie Delicious.
@Ell Morning mates(cc @W5VO)
12:40
@Kortuk did you get your hands on a bottle yet??
@jippie Ha, No.
I cannot figure out how to join your google+ convo.
13:17
Morning all.
Morning everyone
Does anyone here know why a waveform 'shivers' on an oscilloscope when in auto-mode - even if the trigger is properly set? My SPI clock does this but MOSI/MISO don't. But other circuits, like development boards, have a very clean clock and they don't 'shiver' at all.
@saad If the scope is in auto triggering mode, and the signal is just irregular or just intermittent enough then it might appear that the triggering isn't quite working right.
13:40
@DavidKessner I see. Maybe I'll need to read the manual on this.
@Kortuk apperantly my wifi broke
@DavidKessner Thought, it does trigger OK on other circuits. Could this possibly be a noise issue where the scope isn't sure where to trigger due to some added noise in the signal?
@saad If you flip between auto and normal triggering mode and it works well in normal mode but not auto then the problem is because of the expected behavior of auto mode. If it doesn't work then the problem is with triggering level, noise, or some other problem.
@jippie Ours has a few times recently.
14:17
@Kortuk News?
Good news, I hope.
@DavidKessner Rescheduled for next tuesday when US operations manager can be on site to take part in meetings.
14:57
@Kortuk Bummer.
But maybe that means that the answer is not a simple, "no".
@DavidKessner I hate waiting for the results of a test more then taking a test, so it is killing me.
@DavidKessner They are doing this for both applicants on site.
@Kortuk So they are hiring one, firing the other. :)
I just dont know, things being said are sending me both directions, my real negative is that I have not finished 2 years here.
@DavidKessner Haha.
15:14
@DavidKessner honestly, getting a severance if I did not get the job and a good luck would just give me money to cover looking for other jobs for a while. Would be just as good. Who really cares?
@Kortuk I guess it depends on how much you like the current company. Sometimes change is good. But sometimes you don't want to let go of a good thing.
@DavidKessner Ha, I would prefer the promotion.
Good morning all
15:30
@SimpleCoder Morning mate.
@SimpleCoder Hi
15:41
@Dean Thank you for the link, it was very helpful!
Excuse my ignorance, but how does a CMOS charge pump work if the Vgs is a square wave from 0 to 5 volts?
@atomSmasher Basically, you charge a capacitor to VDD (5V), disconnect it from the power supply, and then connect the negative terminal to VDD.
@W5VO thanks! I am looking at the circuit below, granted they are not MOSFETS, but I don't see how circuit two provides vdd to the negative plate on cap.
I am dieing because I saw a price dip to 115 on the tickets for Saturday.
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@Kortuk what are the tickets for
15:56
@atomSmasher great american beer festival!
hahaha nice!
@Kortuk if both our wifi's broke, it must be caused by something we have in common.
@jippie terrible IT departments :)
@Kortuk Wow, those prices are tanking
less than 2x retail :)
@W5VO only sat. I am waiting for others. I really really want to know this job thing!
16:07
@Kortuk It's killing me too - don't know if I need plane tickets or not =\
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@W5VO I know, I hate leaving you hanging like that.
@Kortuk no I'm at home, device management can't be the issue, I do it myself
@W5VO I just hate having to spend money on a trip I might not really have the money for. If I get the promotion and all the tickets fall to 120, i am going to all three days, but I am not hopeful.
@jippie IT is all one big group to me.
@Kortuk i was planning to go to the abbey to buy me some bottles of the oak aged quadruple stuff, to drink during the weekend because I'm going on holiday on monday
@Kortuk I just realized that I have to work all weekend :-(
@Kortuk flights are still $212 round trip, but I'd like to buy as soon as possible - they usually don't get better with time
16:14
@W5VO I realize. If it is a refundable ticket, take a risk. Otherwise, I will let you know the moment I do.
I am freaking hating waiting. I dont mind taking tests, hate waiting for scores.
@Kortuk I feel the same. Tests are a non-issue but waiting kills me.
@Kortuk Hmmm...
Did it dip for just one set of tickets, are is the market as a whole dipping?
@DavidKessner there seems to be a surplus of Saturday evening tickets
actually, I'm not sure
@W5VO If I were a scalper, I would have Sat tickets because in theory they are the most easily sold.
@DavidKessner no kidding. it is counter intuitive
16:28
@Kortuk Good idea!
@W5VO But I'm guessing that so many people were fed up with the whole GABF ticket thing, and not thinking that the tickets are worth $200+ each, that those scalpers might not be able to sell them as easily as they thought.
16:42
I bought the sat tickets, there were a lot of 115$ tickets when first posted and they were down to a single, worst case I will resell it.
Ahh well. Maybe for christmass this year tony will stop visiting our site.
@Kortuk Have you been a good boy this year?
@DavidKessner No, I denied the armenian genocide?
I don't think that anarchists get XMas presents
@Kortuk Tsk, tsk...
@SimpleCoder I still dont know how far in outfield you have to be to come up with something crazy like that.
16:49
@Kortuk I get the impression that he has some "encouragement". On the subject of beer (see what I did there?), have fun at that festival!
@SimpleCoder Haha.
I hope to go, still up in the air.
I met @W5VO and he did not try to cut me up in a basement, I am hoping at least @DavidKessner is also a safe bet.
@Kortuk You're not a cat, so you're safe.
Allo @justing
howdy
@justing Hi
16:57
@justing Hello
so what usually goes on in this little corner of the site? Besides ticket scalping :P
@justing Mainly discussing Tony Stewart (shirley you've heard of him?)
and other goings-ons
oh i have seen his posts. Some of you making it down here for the beer fest still?
in a different direction, do you get a DNS failure connecting to atmel.com ?
@justing yep
@saad thank you sir
@justing I got that earlier today!
@justing Oops, I meant for Altera.com.
@justing Where are you in Colorado? I work in Boulder. Live in Westminster.
@DavidKessner That's dangerously close to SparkFun! I'd have no money left if I was in their backyard.
@SimpleCoder Yes. I've been there and spent money. They are about a mile from my office.
@DavidKessner Sweet. What kind of stuff do you get from them?
@DavidKessner how many samples do you think you could get at one session of the GABF?
17:14
Fortunately I have a lot of toys in my office so there isn't much need to go to sparkfun. Last time I was there I got some RGB LED's and some iPod dock connectors.
@W5VO Way more than my body can safely hold!
@DavidKessner because I'm wondering if you could actually compare the amount of beer you get for $160 to the amount you would get for a GABF ticket
@W5VO It shouldn't be too hard to calculate. THere are on-line blood-alcohol calculators out there. Figure out how much beer you can drink in 4.5 hours without going over. That will be the upper limit on how much you can actually drink at GABF. My guess is that you can buy a lot more for $160, but you wouldn't get the variety.
@DavidKessner Lucky. I've given them a shameful amount of money... but they and Mouser (and Adafruit) are the best a hobbyist can do.
@DavidKessner I have spent a childhood fortune at sparkfun
@JGord Haha
17:21
I did the calculations and I could drink 7 beers in 4.5 hours and be just under the limit for a DUI (but over the limit or DWI).
@DavidKessner I was more wondering about lines to get samples - Are the lines the limiting factor, or is it maintaining a non-lethal BAC?
@JGord What do you do for a living?
@W5VO The last time I was there was 4+ years ago. It is much bigger now. Back then lines were not much of an issue. Even now I assume the problem will be staying sober enough to function.
4+ years ago I had to massively back off the drinking half way through. I started begging people to not give me the full 1 oz sample, and then I would usually just take a small sip and dump the rest. This time I will probably start doing that at the beginning-- and will likely still get blitzed.
@JGord It's about time I give Adafruit some love though. I've been eyeing up this for a while: adafruit.com/products/746
@DavidKessner Currently? I just started as a device engineer about a month ago, before that I was a student
@SimpleCoder Oh that is sexy!
17:26
@W5VO ikr? Too many awesomes, not enough storage...
@DavidKessner why do you ask?
@JGord Just nosy. Also, depending on what you do you might be able to get free samples from the various manufacturers (which lessens the dependence on Sparkfun). I'm not quite sure what a "device engineer" does.
@DavidKessner I'm entering college this year, but I've still managed to get my hands on a decent amount of "engineering samples", thanks to this list: ladyada.net/library/procure/samples.html :)
I've accumulated a lot of samples-- more than what I could ever use. Occasionally I clean out my office and lab and donate them to the local "maker-faire" type club.
Maxim and Microchip are particularly friendly to students, although it helps that I have a corporate looking domain name registered complete with email address
17:36
Are there any cheap GSM modems?
or any good ideas of where to look for one?
@DavidKessner Oh it's pretty vague, pretty much any embedded hardware that our company needs... one of us gets stuck on.
@W5VO Target cost?
@DavidKessner Or anything mathy
@SimpleCoder under $50
@W5VO Here's one, but it's just the module: sparkfun.com/products/10138
17:40
@SimpleCoder yeah, I already checked Sparkfun
@W5VO Are you looking for a complete "plug and go" solution, not just a bare module?
@SimpleCoder ideally, something with a sane connector / pin header. Something I wouldn't need to design a board to use.
@W5VO Ok. I've checked Adafruit and Pololu too, but I didn't find anything. I'll look some more
@SimpleCoder it seems like it should exist and not be too expensive
considering that I have bought an entire phone for less
@W5VO I was going to say, if you have an old phone laying around you could try poking around in it.
But most likely it's not worth it.
17:45
@SimpleCoder yeah, I think the last phone that was designed to be used that way was my old StarTac
@W5VO What about this? dealextreme.com/p/… (sold out at the moment, but proof that they exist)
I mean, you'd need a uC with USB support, but it's worth a try.
In stock
@SimpleCoder There's actually a review saying that they removed the USB->Serial chip and it worked. That would practically be what I need.
@W5VO Mmmm gotta love serial.
@DavidKessner Longmont
@W5VO I would think that the one on Amazon would work the same too, no?
17:56
@SimpleCoder It's advertising really fast data, so I'm actually doubtful that it would be so simple
Not sure if it's him, or just someone the community doesn't like, because his one answer was instantly downvoted.
TLDR
@JGord both are rather confusing
@SimpleCoder Right now my vote is that it is NOT TS, but I reserve the right to change my mind when he posts more answers.
@DavidKessner Yeah, I looked at the website he linked to, and it has his name at the bottom.
18:03
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Maybe I'm just too paranoid. It's just, this is usually the time of day he crawls out of the woodwork.
@SimpleCoder I think it is around this time of the day that he shows up, he normally posts all morning, i think.
@justing I am really really hoping to.
Yeah, there are some trigger-happy people here. Time to switch to decaf coffee! :)
+1 for effort. Get out of my house.
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Show him the ropes, let him improve it, then we all +1 for great results!
18:15
@Kortuk Well I lied a little bit. I wanted to say "+1 for putting up with these Bozo's that yell TS at the drop of a hat!" :)
@DavidKessner I just downvote if it is crappy, never just because I think it is TS.
It was very very hard to read and did not seem to answer anything.
what time is it?
@jippie 117
I liked that it showed the thinking process. I wouldn't do that a second time for him.
@jippie 12:17!
@jippie Beer-o-clock?
@DavidKessner brilliant!
18:18
@Kortuk He has potential and -3 right of the bat is very demoralizing.
@DavidKessner the whole community has become wary of newcomers thanks to TS
@DavidKessner I didn't downvote, I just shared a link. My bad.
@SimpleCoder he already had the downvotes, no worries.
@SimpleCoder That's fine. But I'll still call you a Bozo. I hope that's OK with you. :)
@DavidKessner Not the worst I've been called, so I accept :)
18:21
Around here, "Bozo" is the best complement that most people get! :)
Especially clowns in training
@W5VO Hey! I resemble that remark!
 
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20:13
Just bought a copy of High Speed Digital Design. Let's hope this improves my layout skills!
@saad wait you bought one? I'm pretty sure that's like the most highly pirated PDF in the history of everything
@saad It's worth it!
@JGord Probably! But I like to have a real book. It's far easier to read. If it was for the Kindle I'd buy that one.
@DavidKessner It was one of your old answers here that convinced me
@saad Well I hope it doesn't dissappoint.
@DavidKessner The reviews on Amazon suggest it won't. I also read some of it on a PDF and it seemed very comprehensive and a good read.
20:36
good night @guys
@jippie Later!
21:27
@saad I love it, and I bought it.
 
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22:39
@SimpleCoder I don't think this is "him". The new guy seems a bit clueless about how the site works, and his answers don't quite address the question that was asked, but he doesn't go quite so far off in the weeds, and don't go into crazy irrelevant detail about how things were done in the 1970's & 80s.
@ThePhoton Haha agreed. I rescind my previous opinion. Now that he's added a bio, he seems more legit too.
@W5VO $160 around here is like 10 6-packs of good-to-great beer; or like 30 750-mL bottles of good stuff; or 50 12-oz bottles from a local shop that sells micros by the bottle. That's more than I could drink in 10 full evenings of drinking (but maybe I'm getting old).
23:38
@ThePhoton Talking about the happy guy?
@DavidKessner After $160 worth of beer he would be...
Actually the new guy that Simplecoder speculated was another sock puppet.
No, Scott something...
Happy Harry is closer to TS. If he isn't TS, then they are at least friends. But I won't cry wolf just yet.
Cellmates, maybe.
23:43
@ThePhoton At the asylum.
What's the word for when you hit "submit" on your Digikey order then realize there was one other thing you needed?
@ThePhoton A typical day for me.

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