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08:42
the sun has returned
08:55
Morning
Good morning @Matt
blinks
09:11
@Matt Must......resist....... temptation....................to............keep........mint
lol
AAARGH!
Jim
Jim
brap
booyakasha
*-*-*-
Is back
Mint is nice
Well.... Ill see if i can switch after 2 years
@Jim Heya
09:18
another convert to the cult of mintiness?
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@Amithkk :)
@Matt Not yet
Jim
Jim
I'm converted!
@Matt You just might be the sole reason that makes "AskUbuntu" "AskMint"
yay!
@Amithkk lol
09:19
The main reason i wont convert is because i've spread the Ubuntu Branding around
brand loyalty... hmmm
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@Amithkk it's all still Linux and Debian
But still
in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 29 secs ago, by htorque
in fact, if there were no ubuntu, i would switch back to windows.
Heh.... @Matt come over to AU
No thanks, I'm happy where I am ;)
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Debian has put loads of work into making Linux good, but it's not often touted, it's the stable rock upon which most of the Linux distros depend upon - Big Up Debian
09:23
@Matt Just visit
09:41
Well, I visited...
Not much talk of ubuntu really...
@Matt Have some Free Time?
Fourier Transforms? No thanks, I'm trying to give them up.
@Matt ???
I have 1111 hits to mah blog \o/
Something is really............really wrong
09:58
Yeah, they let the likes of you have a blog ;)
The majority of computers are in companies. Companies like windows cus of central management and support.
And accountability ;)
10:11
@Matt Me needs free servo
so go get ramraid an RC model shop then
Wait... the atmega can be removed ?
@Matt How many led's can i independently connect and control with my arduino
@Amithkk Directly, 14. Indirectly, an infinite number.
@Amithkk Yes, but to put another in its place you have to first flash it with the Arduino boot loader
@Matt how does the LoL sheild work?
@Amithkk the LoL shield? What's that?
Ah, charlie plexing
10:23
Charwhat?
You can increase the number of LEDs you can control by linking them back-to-back
@Matt ?
Charlieplexing is a technique proposed in early 1995 by Charlie Allen at Maxim Integrated Products for driving a multiplexed display in which relatively few I/O pins on a microcontroller are used to drive an array of LEDs. The method utilizes the tri-state logic capabilities of microcontrollers in order to gain efficiency over traditional multiplexing. Although it is more efficient in its use of I/O, there are issues that cause it to be more complicated to design and render it impractical for larger displays. These issues include duty cycle, current requirements and the forward voltages o...
@Matt And how does the led's work without any resistors?
There should be resistors
One per IO pin
It's an active matrix of LEDs though, so your program has to keep cycling through the LEDs switching them on and off.
With a large number of LEDs you start to get flickering as it takes too long to cycle through them all. Plus, your program has to then do a huge amount of work just keeping the display working
10:29
@Matt Image not found
It's the 3-pin 6 LED circuit part way down that wikipedia page
10:46
@Matt Do you use SSH?
yes
:D
Doesent element14 have any servo's?
I don't know - have you looked?
Jim
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11:03
Think I'll stick Mint on my Mac later on, just looking at making a live distro with all my progs included
@Jim Great
Jim
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maybe i'll start using the thing again
heh
nice
A minty mac
Is it the Mac Minty you're using?
Jim
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ooh, so I am on Debian squeeze
@Matt it'll be a Mint Mac Mini
So yes, the Mac Minty
11:40
MEEH
Just designed myself a shield to add an extra 16 IO ports to the Arduino...
Jim
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humm, Remastersys won't resolve it's dependencies - darn
@Matt cool, what are you using for expansion?
@Jim poo
@Jim MCP23S17
food time... bbiab
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@Matt nice SPI <3
@Jim Ahem.... can you send me some headers
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11:55
@Amithkk what? why?
(because im out of pocket money)
:D
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@Amithkk you'll have to wait till you get some then, patience is a virtue!
@Jim :(
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@Amithkk I can't afford to be posting out stuff for free, I've got enough debit as it is without giving money away
@Jim I was just joking
;D
12:08
@Jim SPI rules!
hmmm... damn, I need some 28 pin DIP sockets
I have tubes of 16 18 and 20 pin but no 14 or 28
Jim
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@Matt I normally just get a big strip of female headers that I can cut to make any size socket
girr, I wish I could get Remastersys to install, I want to use it to copy my system onto the Mac
use oem-config-remaster instead?
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@Matt cool - I'll check that out
it's in apt
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@Matt will it copy over my programs to?
12:15
oem-config-remaster -t MyMintInstall -o mymint.iso mint11.iso package1 package2 package3 ... packageN
or use that dpkg command I showed you yesterday to make an apt-get install script
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Remastersys is so good tho, it will make a live distro of your system including all progs, it was just really easy to use. I wonder if it's not installing cuz the web server for the repository is down or something
@Matt could do
28 pin dils... 7.4p each
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the again I might just do it manually, some of my progs aren't installable using apt-get
tube of 17
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@Matt nice, good price, where from?
12:19
With the oem thingummy jig you can add extra apt repositories
rapid
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@Matt cool - I'm expecting my delivery of Ronin parts today or tomorrow
thought they might have show up this morning
I doubt they'll come tomorrow...
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oh yeah!
doh
heh
dummkopf
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@Matt if I made an ISO of my system, would it be possible to install it on another system?
12:22
@Jim Yes,
and dont forget to include the apt-keys
@Jim I have no idea - not something i have ever contemplated
@Jim Wait, you mean copy your FS to a ISO
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@Amithkk FS?
file system
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ah
12:27
@Jim File Sys.. wait @Matt ninja'd me
Of course
It's what I do ;)
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@Amithkk kinda, but I'm more concerned about the programs
@Matt I need help calibrating my LM35
@Jim Ever tried metabackup?
@Amithkk Never used one
Its giving me 33.20C im pretty sure its not that hot
Jim
Jim
12:29
@Amithkk nope
{
tempC = analogRead(tempPin);           //read the value from the sensor
tempC = (5.0 * tempC * 100.0)/1024.0;  //convert the analog data to temperature
Serial.print(tempC);             //send the data to the computer
delay(1000);
New gravatar time again
when it eventually updates
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@Matt do you draw your own sometimes?
@Jim I drew the XD one myself...
and the southpark ones I kind of drew ;)
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@Matt cool, I liked that one
12:31
but I am no artist
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12:41
humm, clonezilla looks interesting, maybe that will work
@Amithkk Try taking the ADC value and multiplying it by 0.484499
or dividing it by 2.063987748
hang on, ignore those figures - my fingers are dyslexic
0.488759
tempC = analogRead(tempPin) * 0.488759;
Serial.print(tempC);
still getting 32.75
Which city are you in/near?
Bangalore
Should be around 26 to 27 and thundery there then
12:50
no thunder
Are you holding the temperature sensor in your hand?
Is it near a heat source? (Hot voltage regulator, computer fan, etc)
Are you sat in an oven?
12:53
WTF
Can you obtain the raw ADC value for me please
Serial.print(analogRead(tempPin));
66.00
How exactly is the LM35 connected?
Is it just the raw chip connected, or are there any other components?
An LCD
BBL
I mean around the LM35.
12:59
@Matt no
Is it Vcc -> Vcc, GND -> GND and Vo to A0 ?
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lol
And he's gone.
Jim
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that kid is crazy
@Matt loving the ninja dude!
Heh
Well, I do keep ninjaing people, so I thought it was fitting
Hmmm... I think I have just managed to get a massively improved print from my printer
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13:07
@Matt cool
Printing a 1,000 dpi image at 1200 dpi
Jim
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@Matt that should be more than enough for toner transfer PCBs
It's not as rough around the edges
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Think I'll try and install Remastersys using the Ubuntu repositories, shouldn't hurt
humm - I keep getting 404 sources not found errors, maybe the repository is down?
maybe you're looking for the wrong version
bbiab ironing time
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13:14
@Matt I take it you mean PCBs not shirts :)
hmmm... abject failure that time
Really rubbish transfer
Big patches just didn't even begin to take
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@Matt weird, what do you think it was?
I think it may have been because the old man was doing some ironing so I nabbed the iron off him and did it on the ironing board instead of on a tea-towel on the kitchen work surface. Couldn't get the pressure I'm used to
I shall wait until he's finished
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@Matt lol - yeah, you'll need to get good pressure and max heat
I had the heat
just not the pressure
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13:25
you also want to empty all the water out and use the iron dry
I just turn the knob to no steam
Jim
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cool
I would like my own iron tho. A non-steam one with a flat bottom
An old flat-iron to heat up in the grate would be nice ;)
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humm, apparently I've found a "broken" package?!
live-config-sysvinit
wonder what that means
did something fail to install properly?
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13:32
I've not installed it, it just wont let me install it because it's broken
Hmmm...
Must be something needed to make a live cd then
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Remastersys lists it as a dependent
You know, by now you could have installed mint and all your packages by hand...
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@Matt yeah, it's just not on Mint, bums - I like Remastersys
@Matt that's what I'm thinking
I just wanted it all on a USB ready to go, I was going to lend it to my uncle too so he could try out all the sound progs I use
ah well
This sucks... I juist had to make a local Windows VM in order to run the VMWare client software to create a new FreeBSD VM on my server. The Linux VMWare client just plain doesn't work, and the windows one won't work under wine.
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13:44
@Matt that sounds like a head ache
yeah :(
When I next upgrade my server I will switch from VMWare to VirtualBox as the host VM infrastructure
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@Matt I've heard good things about VirtualBox. Metalx1000 uses it
It's really come on in leaps and bounds in recent years
I used to swear by VMWare Server, but ever since they released version 2 with a crappy jsp based web interface to it I've really gone off it. I have stuck with version 1 on my server, purely because 2 sucked so bad. But now I consider VirtualBox to be a far superior product.
I have CentOS as my host OS on my server though and I can't get VirtualBox to install on it. When I next upgrade I'll be on Ubuntu Server, so VirtualBox it will be.
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14:00
right - now to try and get the mac to boot up using the USB, should be fun
heh
14:11
@jim Get an iOdd
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@Matt is that an external drive?
It's more than an external drive
didn't you look at it when I mentioned it the other day?
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@Matt does it make cups of tea?
No, I have a mother for that ;)
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@Matt I assumed you were taking about IPods, but you were trying to be funny
14:18
Ah
no, the iOdd is different
the site is shite and mostly korean
But any way, it's a virtual cd/dvd drive
Jim
Jim
right
Load it with ISO images, and select on from the built-in display
It is seen to the computer as a USB external drive, and a USB DVD Drive
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I see
I have it full of different linux, bsd and windows versions, along with useful things like Hiren's boot cd
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I think I might have to format my USB stick in order to boot it on a mac - girr
@Matt pretty cool
14:21
a life saver in my line of work.
No lugging cd's around with me to fix someones computer - I have it all at my fingertips
Especially useful on things that don't have a cd drive, like my netbook. Also, I don't need to keep burning ISOs to disk to boot of them, or faff around with USB sticks and such that sometimes will boot and sometimes won't depending on the system
@jim Having Plop on a CD is also quite useful.
@jim Which version of the mac mini is it you have?
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@Matt not sure, I know it's 64 bit tho
MacMini2,1
It's one of the ones without a cdrom drive?
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@Matt no - it's a got a super drive
core 2 duo?
1.8GHz?
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@Matt yup
2GHz
14:31
Oooh... one of the fast ones ;)
You not got a spare blank or re-writable cd around?
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@Matt possibly, why?
why not install mint from that?
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@Matt is it easier?
booting from CD is a lot more reliable and simpler than from a USB stick
USB stick booting is kind of a fudge
CD booting is a standard
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k
would a dvd do?
14:35
yup
as long as it's not got french pr0n on it
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@Matt damn - that's me out of luck
heh
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unless Afro-Franco is okay?
That's ok
It's not so art-house as pure french
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lol
I'm just downloading the 64bit ISO of Mint
14:42
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is there any point tho?
I suppose it may help blender a tiny bit, but that's all I can think of
unless you have >4GB of RAM in the mac mini...
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@Matt nah - just 2Gb
Then it's pretty pointless using the 64 bit version
You won't gain anything
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@Matt how come?
It won't run any faster
64-bit gives you access to >4GB ram, and to 64 bit math functions.
Blender might use them, or it might not - hard to say
but normal day-to-day stuff will be no difference
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gah - it's almost downloaded now, are there disadvantages with using the 64 bit version?
14:47
bloat
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k
You often end up with both 32- and 64-bit versions of libraries installed, which adds to file space usage
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right o
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15:18
apparently it's burning to disk, oh wait it just prematurely ejected it :(
device failed to respond properly
girr!
hrm
That of course is the down-side to cds
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oh my word - it seems to be writing to the disk
The first DVD must have be buggered
Quite possible.
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it was on the top of the stack
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15:37
woo hoo - burned, burnt, whatever - it's done
burnificated
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tehe - it shows up as "Foreign OS" in the boot manager
Heh nice
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there's a lot of chugging coming from the super drive...
screen is still blank
...
drum-roll
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15:45
oh, chugging has stopped, now it's whirring...
Heh
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nope, chugging again, damn these DVDs are slow, it's a wonder they caught on
Heh
Is it any surprise they got replaced by blu-ray so quickly?
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this isn't looking too promising, there's still nothing on the screen :(
I think it's papped
hmmm
And if you enable verbose mode?
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15:51
@Matt I didn't know I needed too, I didn't see anything that mentioned it
@Matt how is it done?
I have no idea off hand
I have only ever done it on a PPC system with OSX installed
iirc it's apple-o-f to enter the OpenBoot system and then you do it from there or something
I haven't used an intel mac before tho
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phew the disk just ejected...
thought it would only boot from the super drive for a mo
oh - "No Bootable Disk"
poo
hmm
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I'm going to try the DVD again
it says - "insert boot disk and press any key"
If I can't get that to work I'll have to try and force boot the internal drive
can't for the life of me remember how to do that
"D" apparently
here we go...
fudging Mac
They are very iffy when not running OSX
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15:57
iffy?
failed boot - grey screen
The "open" boot system is far from it
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dvd ejected
attempting to force internal drive boot
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No Bootable Device
Have you installed rEFIt ?
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16:02
@Matt I can't get it to boot
You need rEFIt apparantly
and rEFIt is installed from inside OSX
so you will need OSX back on it for a while
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@Matt I'm trying
@Jim very ;)
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@Matt ?
j/k
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16:11
@Matt I don't understand
"I'm trying" - "Very" - as in "Very trying" ;)
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@Matt You're on a different wave length dude, I've no idea what you're on about
pfff
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none of the startup key combos are working either :/
phew - just got it to reboot from the internal
gah, I had to unplug the power
Whew
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16:19
what a ball ache
I was sweating there, I've got no idea where my OSX disks are
installing rEFit
restarting
I've got a Mint screen up!
what is occurring??!?
more blankness and chugging...
this is like loading a spectrum game, I've never waited this long for a computer to do anything!
oooh - I have a cursor!
chug chug
I got a diddly ding noise
raaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's booted :) and my beard is now grey
I think this'll be the first time I've ever installed Linux whilst connected to the Internet, should be interesting
Well tickle my wattle and paint my udders purple it seems to be installing now :)
16:42
Yay!!!!!!
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@Matt what is this EFI rubbish anyway, more cruft between the OS and computer firmware?
No idea
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@Matt what you up to then?
I'm setting up LDAP on my new server installation
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@Matt interesting, all that server business is foreign to me, crazy stuff
16:46
It's bread and butter to me...
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