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08:00
Without off topic, chat dies
That simple
@JourneymanGeek yes and open forums tend towards the "safe" over time as harder approaches get traction for being "right"
TBH I was more hurt by people using words like "we tolerate her" than any of the flagging going on
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@kalina Cool
@RoryAlsop completely, but are you confident SE get that?
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@kalina Who says that?
08:01
23 hours ago, by Mark Buffalo
@HamZa Agreed on this, but the reason we tolerate her is because we like her... and we think she's funny. We know when she's joking, and when she isn't... and that's just my two cents.
@kalina I haven't ever said that, you and other off-topic nonsense is why I keep this tab open most days
@RоryMcCune Don't get me wrong. I totally have the captain america view towards harsh language. I do prefer to have a kind word then the gun.
@RоryMcCune yes - they do. However it's all about degree
@RоryMcCune that. so much that.
@RoryAlsop fuzzy lines are tricky to walk
08:01
Yup
is chat in the data explorer btw?
And the fuzz gets fuzzier as influx of new folks speeds up. Some of whom will see mildly scurrilous comments and assume their slightly more risqué comments are also acceptable
And so on
@M'vy naw, this was some internal stuff we were allowed to share by TPTB when we were discussing this.
@M'vy I don't think so - there is a lot of data analysis, but it's internal to SE
btw, @kalina, I think @MarkBuffalo did phrase that badly. the sentence even says he likes you, which goes beyond tolerating someone.
08:03
Yeah - Mark was one of those who piped up loudest
@RoryAlsop the problem is if people come in and want "letter of the law" adherence to policy with their interpretation... then the flags start flying
Hm. I was thinking of getting the #message in dmz average with/without kalina in the room. :)
@RoryAlsop and the problem is that they're technically correct
As you might have noticed from all the pings.
@M'vy yeah, w/o kalina it was... way less
08:04
@RоryMcCune yeah, that's tricky
@SmokeDispenser tolerate is not something you do to somebody you like
(and I had that happen on root access. Deletion of 'off topic stuff'. We're never on topic ;) )
as we have a lot of RO and mods here that would handle things appropriately (supposedly), maybe we should just add
@kalina exactly.
@SmokeDispenser doesn't work, people will still flag and out-of-room people seeing the flag will validate it
we've seen that repeatedly
08:07
I'm leaving anyway, at least for a bit. I just wanted to say what I had on my mind now so that I'm not turning up in November or something and dragging this up again then.
o/
@RоryMcCune well, then there's nothing to do except like I said before: accept a 30 m ban from time to time because the system failed
@kalina Bye! And thanks for all the fun!
@kalina \o. we miss you. come back soon ^^
@kalina hugs
08:08
@SmokeDispenser that's one option for sure
@kalina o/
@SmokeDispenser there's worse fails sometimes ;)
We've had someone get suspended for a f bomb months ago
@SmokeDispenser SE are also looking at the way flags are handled - they know they don't work well for a lot of situations
But currently it's sort of all they have
@RоryMcCune that only for her?
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@kalina Wait.. no :(
@SmokeDispenser works for anyone :)
for the next two days apparently
08:09
@RоryMcCune that I know. I meant to ask if it's meant for anyone.
although can get revoked on req.
@SmokeDispenser yeah I don't think it can hurt to have a back channel
@kalina well au revoir.
@silverpenguin I was finally able to solve "Simple ROP" from last CTF. It turns out I wasn't calling it correctly, I had to use "stdin" of cat in order to keep it open and send commands:
cat payload.txt - | ./rop1
Notice the use of "-"
@RоryMcCune absolutely.
@RоryMcCune it's tricky though, as my current work uses slack on a different account, and the app has a problem with actually different users
@SmokeDispenser private tab?
or second browser
08:14
Really?
@SmokeDispenser ugh, yeah I'd have thought they'd handle multiple channels decently...
@RоryMcCune multiple teams: yes.
you mean actual different accounts
multiple accounts: no.
08:15
Never having used Slack before, I have hit a stumbling block...this may seem like a really stupid question but how in the name of the Great Bear do you write a message on it?
yeah, as the other account is for my work, I do not want to mix that up shortly before leaving.
@RoryAlsop hahaha.
there's a box you type into.
*scnr*
@RoryAlsop there is an iOS app :)
@RoryAlsop bottom box, click. type, hit enter.
08:16
@SmokeDispenser Nope - not on any of the devices I have in front of me
@RоryMcCune Ahh - I can't do this through the web page?
@RoryAlsop use the iOS app - and select a channel.
@RoryAlsop you should be able to AFAIK
That would explain it - their online help gives no information on this
you can
there should be channels to the left
That page did request me to use flash. so if that is involved in the messaging part...
08:17
I have the DMZ channel selected - well, I think so. I have the DMZ icon at the top and I have no option to select it
Shouldn't be
@RoryAlsop website should work fine. a colleage of mine uses a pinned tab because there is no client for linux.
Its plain HTML 5
But no channels to the left, no box at the bottom
08:17
@RoryAlsop wait.
@RoryAlsop ahh it's showing you as offline
PMed you to see if that works @RoryAlsop
also shows @M'vy as offline
Okay - no 'go online' option then
which is weird 'cause he can type in channel ok...
I can read the message archive
And I have a tick against DMZ
May try and get the app this evening
See if it works better
08:19
@RoryAlsop yeah the app. is ok IIRC
@JourneymanGeek I'm on mobile
@M'vy ahh I wonder if that's what causes it
That's me tried IE11 on desktop, Android on my phone and iOS on the work iPad
No apps though - just the website
maybe it's ony on when the app is up
@RoryAlsop it works fine for me.
08:22
@RoryAlsop that's weird I'm just using FFox on windows...
brower problem?
On the iPad I have tried chrome with no ad-blockers, and safari
I think the safari is default, I haven't tinkered with it
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I like this so much! theswedishnumber.com
@Adi like phone based chatroulette!
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Just had a quick 2-minute call with some Swedish guy who told me about Surströmming and how almost nobody really eats it
08:24
0_0
Hahahahaha
I figured it was a "lets see what crap we can make tourists eat" thing now ;)
@Adi Is that the rotten fish thing?
@Arperum bloated cans of fermented fish
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@Arperum Yup
08:25
One of the few foods to be banned by airlines
This slack thing does expose email addresses to the rest of the team, so depending on @kalina's OpSec, that may be a showstopper
@JourneymanGeek for good reason
@Adi I remember a swiedish band (Sabaton) giving it to people at a concert, just to let them smell how extremely terrible it smelled.
yay sabaton
@RoryAlsop the cans actually explode?
@RoryAlsop that's what covert emails are for, hu?
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@Arperum Yeah, I'd be the first one to run
08:26
I think she got those.
@RoryAlsop yeah it would need a throwaway e-mail setup which is I'm sure what @kalina is doing now ;)
@RoryAlsop like she would not use a throwaway anyway :)
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I bought a can for fun once. If you open it in any room of your house, the WHOLE house will smell like shit for a day
@Adi kinda like durians
@Adi I was not close enough to the stage on that show.
08:27
tho those damned things actually are trasty.
@JourneymanGeek I've heard stories about durians :p
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I'm gonna try calling again!
@RoryAlsop Good point... Bloody thing!
So anyway - Slack. Obviously designed to foil fogeys
Everything works perfectly except no chat functionality for me
@RoryAlsop that's very bizarre
08:31
@RoryAlsop :D
Help pages describe everything except how to get into chat - so obviously they assume it's a given
@RoryAlsop I didn't ever experience problems with slack before.
Will get the app this evening
Try the iOS app tonight
yarr
Is there an android app as well - I can probably go outside and get it now
08:32
@RoryAlsop yeah
just checked
Brb - going to get LTE connectivity
Thanks
@RoryAlsop luxury!
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Not what I expected. I just had a chat with an Englishman who lives in Sweden. We spent 3 minutes telling me about his life in Sheffield, his hot Swedish ex-wife, and that I should come for a visit in Stockholm
Okay then
Also, why are there no ladies on this number?
#WhereAreTheSwedishLadies
cause they're all talking to each other ?
@Adi Possibly because they are afraid of running into phone creeps?
08:39
Slack - my 5 minute diagnosis: too damn complicated, and currently only works on my phone, so really difficult to navigate and really small screen so only able to see 3 messages at a time
:-(
@RoryAlsop there's an IRC gateway :)
Last time I used IRC was last century...
Not quite true actually - I think I got dragged into Wikipedia's channel once when trying to help the author of Metaltech's page get some stuff right
haha.
now, the DMZ is silent :)
@SmokeDispenser silence before the storm
Hi @HamZa
08:52
@JourneymanGeek heya
hey @HamZa
Heya
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@RоryMcCune I'm going to Suomenlinna tomorrow!! :D
@RoryAlsop I guess so.
@Adi sounds dangerous.
08:55
@Adi it's v. interesting :) hope you get a nice day for it, was a touch chilly when we went over, still very interesting tho'
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@RоryMcCune Here's why
@Adi of course
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@JourneymanGeek It's actually quite nice in there
@RоryMcCune I'm so glad I install draw-tools. Now I can plan my fields better
Looks like it's gonna take me a few hours of planning
@Adi ahahah
09:00
what's the blue lines?
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@JourneymanGeek Links between Santahamina and Upinniemi
@JourneymanGeek Wait.. actually which blue lines?
The ones in the sea? The ones in the island? The ones crossing the island?
@Adi The long ones crossing the entire picture I think.
the parallel ones, from about 1/5 way down the left bottom to the right middle, more or less
I grok ferry lines, and I'm assuming its ingress ;p
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@JourneymanGeek That's the least helpful description to determine a location on some picture :D
Or, the more likely explanation, I'm a bit thick
Okay, now that I read that again, yeah. They're Ingress links
The dotted blue lines are ferry lines
Red freehand lines!
Also, didn't ingress have two sides?
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09:05
Yup. Green and Blue
(I can;'t remember who is who)
what's orange?
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Orange is the "unclaimed" portals
Basically, future Blue
;p
and anyway, those lines.
tho NOW I see a green one too
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Yeah, also future blue
Tomorrow around this time
In the morning, I noticed a missed call from the CEO of my previous company.
I thought "hah! They're realizing how much they miss me and need my expertise"
Then proceeded to spend the next 2 hours thinking of cool ways to reject their potential offer
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09:08
Then got an SMS from the dude saying he buttdialed me :|
that's a nice position to be in ;)
@Adi or so he wants you think.
@Adi attaboy
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Because my name is almost always on the top of every contact list
You could insist people call you "Zed"
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I got buttdialed at least 2-3 times a week
Or, better, Zzed.
09:10
And your orbituary would be "Zed's Dead baby. Zed's Dead"
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@M'vy You resist?
@Adi I do
Well, I've not been very active recently though
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Which level?
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Sweet
09:11
Yeah I've tuned down a lot since I've reach that last year
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I started 12 days ago
I don't think I've ever been this active in my life
@Adi ahah
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I'm biking and walking around 2-3 hours a day
that's sometimes a good excuse to go hikin
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So much fun!
09:14
I was more active during the summer. Being more outside helps :)
But since I have no close portal to my work and home, I don't have it open all the time
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I changed my daily commute route when I started playing the game
It used to be 1.6km
Now it's around 5km
Yesterday I was walking near some abandoned water tower and I spotted 4 capsules. Picked them up. They had 400 L8 bursters in them
Given that I'm L7, I have no use for them
Why weren't they L7?! WHY!
Correct - you should donate them to your nearest Enlightened agent assigned :-)
@Adi keep them anyway
ITS A DIRTY PLOY TO KEEP YOU PLAYING…
L8 is not that difficult to get and B8 will be very useful
09:26
DIRTY DIRTY PLOY
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Q: Is the Linux / Debian software and package-management ecosystem secure?

e.m.fieldsMy basic question is this: When we are using the Linux / Debian apt-get or yum package system, we're placing a lot of faith in that the packages we're downloading and installing are secure. For that matter, even downloading Linux images from Ubuntu or Debian or Red Hat or whatever, we are assumi...

NOTHING IS SECURE
HACK THE PLANET
IT'S ALL GARBAGE MAN
@M'vy you're Enlightened, right?
@RoryAlsop nope
Already told you that IIRC
Oh :-(
I knew you had told me, but I couldn't remember which
09:28
Well I like ENL not inmy play zone :)
Would it be bad to reply to the answer to that question which says "we don't know what wizards can do" with a link to rpg.se saying that these people do?
It would be perfect, @Matthew
10:00
I'm sure this is a dupe but can't find it:
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Q: Targeted acoustic keylogging attack prevention

DaneTo what level could this be applied to? Could someone record keystrokes on a keyboard and in combination with typing habits start to put together a picture of what the user is typing? If this is indeed true what steps could the user take to help mitigate this? I know that these attacks have bee...

Anyone else?
Maybe I'm just misremembering - thanks @Smoke
@RoryAlsop well, don't take my word, I'm horrible with the search.
btw, @RoryAlsop, this edit changes the meaning slightly
Also "a search functionality"?
as the edit changes "routing of requested information" to "routing of your request", which is exactly the opposite way.
10:11
@ThomasPornin Got a crypto question for you: Can keyed blake2 be used in all the same circumstances as HMAC-SHA or are there nuances I should take note of?
Mainly because I see this para in the RFC:
> BLAKE2 does not require
a special "HMAC" (Hashed Message Authentication Code) construction
for keyed message authentication as it has a built-in keying
mechanism.
@SmokeDispenser do you disagree or do you want to roll back what you accepted in the queue, @RoryAlsop?;)
who was it that got me to start reading the airz23 stories? @SmokeDispenser was that you?
ah no it was @SomeGuy.
damn you. it is totally engrossing and very upsetting. why doesnt he just quit? or sue his boss?? or stand up and highfive him in the face with a chair???
10:27
@SmokeDispenser it's pretty much the same from the perspective of the OP. It's really the request and response, but at the level they are asking, it's a gentle improvement in grammar
@AviD not heard of that one...should I start?
19 hours ago, by Some Guy
@AviD https://www.reddit.com/r/airz23/comments/25gtfq/the_index/
its... interesting.
reminds me a bit of BofH, but in reverse.
@RoryAlsop it that a fair reason to make the answer less accurate?
Ah - I can't at work then
@SmokeDispenser it isn't less accurate, the original was also inaccurate. If you wanted to edit to "request and response" that would be the ideal outcome, I guess
Oh - they are audiobooks, @AviD - then I won't. I don't generally like audiobooks
@RoryAlsop done that.
@RoryAlsop wut, not audio books
a long several-part rant of corporate abuse.
10:33
@AviD bookmarked.
a word of warning, this thing will suck you in and drown your soul.
@AviD no problem. still a week of no work at work left.
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@RoryAlsop While on the bike, I dropped one every few seconds. I have a trail of 50 bursters from the office to where I had lunch :D
YOU GET A BURSTER. YOU GET A BURSTER. EVERYBODY GETS A BURSTER!
whoa I thought I was near the end, not even half way through...
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@M'vy I'm recycling them for XM :D
10:38
@Adi you'll have seen the wonderful pictures you can make doing that...
I end up recycling about 4-500 items every day :-(
@RoryAlsop I hope you can do that in bulk!
Is a bit better at the moment with the current XM drought
@RоryMcCune you can now, yes
For a while it was a total PITA
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I'm so glad you can recycle cubes for same XM as when you use them
@AviD - it seems to say audio book. I don't have access to it so I'm seeing a Google search result so I may be totally wrong
naw, a series of reddit posts
10:44
@Adi recycle cube ? That seems weird thing to do.
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Q: How does someone become a man in the middle?

user5948022As I understand it in order to commit a succesful MiTM attack you need to be "sitting" somewhere along the traffic path. I assume this means being hooked up to one of the nodes inbetween the end points, physically splicing the wire connecting them, or intercepting air waves. Are my assumptions...

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@M'vy It is. Except if you're L7 and you have 50 L8 cubes
You cannot use them
But you can recycle them for the same XM value as using them
Which is essentially using them
10:59
I thought you can use cubes of any level
@Matthew answered that. but obviously too late.
It's been a long time since I was lower than L8, so I'm unsure
@Shog9 I see, so that makes sense. Last time I used SE a lot, stackauth.com was the method.
@Shog9 I have another question, do SE internally still use chat? I.e. on chat.stackexchange?
11:31
@DavidFreitag Should I link him my website about my career?
@Simon yes, Im sure he will be very interested.
you might as well also save some time and send him a link to kick you.
btw @RoryAlsop re what we were discussing yesterday, about the different types of ontopicness :
In decreasing order of danger, don't get between an #infosec pro and their: 1. drink 2. food 3. workstation/VM 4. social media 5. oxygen
Oh - we don't have libations as a room tag any more
@HamZa, you failed your attempt to not let my sec.SE profile overtake my SO profile.
@RoryAlsop But we now have a whole site for libations!
@SmokeDispenser hehe
11:43
Speaking of, now that we've expanded we've expanded the scope of beer to cover all sorts of beverages, I tried something new for the first time. I posted my first ever question on the SE network.
@Xander LINK
Morning everyone
@JukEboX you seem confused
Thanks for your help @SmokeDispenser and @AviD and @JourneymanGeek
@JukEboX ?
11:48
Btw, did @MarkBuffalo get swag to persuade more agents to join here?
@AviD the Q-ban on SO
@AviD helping with SO yesterday. Although you didn't help so much as put your posterior into the conversation :P
@Xander LIIINK
ohnuhnuh did you get the link for The DMZ slack?
@AviD thanks for calling out the rep train yesterday on the tweet, btw. Didn't even rep-cap
11:55
aww
@Simon no and i don't have slack
@Ohnana slack's a website :)
@RоryMcCune there's a client and it requires an account and i have neither
@AviD wut - Link is a boy? Wtf?
11:59
@Ohnana it requires the app for me
@Ohnana that should do the job
unless you're @RoryAlsop

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