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20:21
Any mod: what the heck, what should I flag that comment? OP is not responding in chat and posting comments again instead that do refer to chat but do not correspond to anything @RoryAlsop said.
Or anyone else. I'm kinda speechless and not sure if I am being trolled.
@SmokeDispenser hang on
@SmokeDispenser other: "more trolling after mod moved comments to chat"
@SmokeDispenser They're a bit up themselves: "I don't recommend anyone host their own webkey server, for the sake of the users."
Or just roll your eyes and move on
Hey @Shog9. Yeah, well, that than. @RoryAlsop did see it, he had the nerves to be exhaustive in interaction, so I may just walk away from it;)
20:25
@Smoke - yep. Once a chat link has been created, I tend to expect they will post there, as generally I'll clean up anything after the mod moved to chat message. As Shog said - just ignore them
@RoryAlsop right. I was wondering, since now only I as OP of the answer get the ping, not you for example
voting to delete the question at this point would probably not be a terrible idea, if anyone has 20K for that purpose...
@SmokeDispenser In general if a mod is active in here, simplest is a quick ping like you just did
And I was done trying to explain it this morning already, if you remember;)
@Shog9 generally it's a good thing to ask for problems, so I wouldn't go for that.
I'd rather have OP ask it and get an answer OP does not like than OP not asking at all.
Don't worry about it - some folks are just trollish - and generally anyone who comes in saying they have created a new secure thing, and they disagree with any criticisms ... is likely to be a troll
20:27
@SmokeDispenser if you think his edit makes it answerable, then consider editing your answer to spell it out for him.
@SmokeDispenser In that case, I'd suggest it fell into the "asking if X is secure" antipattern
Kinda sends the message, "I won't engage in comments, but I'll write for anyone willing to read", y'know?
Deleting the Q might set OP off the wrong way - which is horrible in security, imho
@Shog9 I already answered the question:)
Like, this morning:)
@SmokeDispenser Right now, he's hung up on "JavaScript" rather than seeing "client-side"
@SmokeDispenser you could always add detail specific to his update
if you want to
@Shog9 yep ^ that
20:30
@Shog9 right, that's because OP didn't (want to?) read or understand anything;)
@SmokeDispenser as long as that remains the case, not really helping him eh?
I'd say if you can make an answer that either gets through that mental block of his... Or suffices to make his question a useful "example for others"... It'd be worth reopening.
Otherwise...
@Shog9 Well, deleting the Q sends a wrong signal imho. But thats just me seeing people get easily frustrated by high rep moderation. I'd just let it sit as-is, but I'm not going up in arms agains a dv - I can't, low rep;)
eh, you got 3K and most of the fun toys
oh, while you are here: area51. Cannot sign up/log in with openID. You didn't respond last time, customer support didn't respond:)
@SmokeDispenser what... sort of OpenID?
20:35
@RoryAlsop I'll have another look on my notebook.
@Shog9 stack exchange account
That doesn't work for you?
@Shog9 couldn't vote against dv though;)
@Shog9 nope. works on all other sites, but not on area51
there's a protocol mismatch between http and https, the login tries to send me to http.
@SmokeDispenser interesting - has it always been like that? Or just today?
@SmokeDispenser what browser?
I just tried it, and it worked for me, so...
@Shog9 firefox, https-everywhere enabled
20:38
@SmokeDispenser oh. Disable that.
@RoryAlsop for weeks
@Shog9 lol - how did I know that would be the answer
... why does it work on all other sites then?
I mean, I sympathize, but it just won't work in lots of places here
We're slowly reducing how many of those exist, but... Area51 is definitely not first on the list. Or second.
It still has the old login page
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A: How to prove I didn't send texts / phone calls?

l1thal Answer If you know you're not guilty, then this will be a breeze for you. If they choose to actually report the fake evidence to the authorities, you should look into having the police check their call history as well as yours. There's a chance that they could have used free online internet ph...

Is this post really off topic?
20:40
Oh, funny
@l1thal hmmmm - while there is a core there around what an attacker can do, the post itself is not a security question
much
Q is deleted and the system filled up the rep cap with previously capped upvotes:)
@RoryAlsop It couldn't fall under 'risk management'? I could see this kind of thing being a risk even in an everyday workplace by an attacker
@Shog9 I see. I didn't come accross any that didn't work before.
thanks, stupid me could've tried that before bothering you.
@l1thal that core bit - sure, but look at the question. It would take a lot to edit it to be a useful question.
20:42
@SmokeDispenser Trying to find your email... Are you 67325537
@Shog9 why would you?
@SmokeDispenser Stalking
@SmokeDispenser so I can close the ticket?
@Shog9 and yes.
@Shog9 aye.
And also the other ticket reporting the same problem that's been languishing for like 5 months
20:43
@RoryAlsop I guess it's defining more of a person issue, but Sec.SE isn't necessarily JUST for business issues. Right? I could see this post as being plenty useful in the case of this happening to anyone else. Even in a altered form
@Shog9 Oh, that wasn't me. I think.
@l1thal In certain respects, it may be about risk management or attacker capabilities. But as there are courts involved in such things, it quickly becomes very law-centric without even trying. It becomes less about "what evidence can I gather" and more about "what evidence will the police or a judge accept".
@SmokeDispenser No, but same problem and apparently no one ever figured it out. So... Thanks
Woah ping from old post
@DavidFreitag was that from me editing
20:44
@RoryAlsop I saw that
and was like wtf... oh... right.
thought I'd remove an unneeded swear from the star wall
That's not TerryChia's avatar :P
@DavidFreitag lol
@Shog9 btw, nice way of pseudomizing.
@SmokeDispenser that sounds...wrong, somehow
Are you sure you aren't British?
20:46
Ok, google just freaked me out
> Did you mean: sodomizing
nope.jpg
@RoryAlsop My ID said "Rammstein-lover" last time I checked.
@SmokeDispenser it was just an interesting play on words, or at least it looked like one
@RoryAlsop I hope that's still true, currently being checked to begin working for the government.
Hell - I'm a Rammstein lover, and I'm definitely Scottish
I like Rammstein. And I'm from 'merka!
20:47
I showed you my tribute song, didn't I, @Smoke
@SmokeDispenser you're lucky you weren't the other guy; I'd have had a much harder time with that one.
@Shog9 was he ID number 1? ;-P
@Shog9 well, you were the first one to get the meaning of that actually.
@Shog9 So, you'd have to psuedomize harder? Sounds painful.
not for me...
20:48
ewwwww
@RoryAlsop err.. not that I can remember.
thogh, if you linked it between 9 and 6, there's a good chance I couldn't watch it because work and then lost it
And being German you'll hopefully be amused at the lyrics - deliberately chosen...
20:50
@RoryAlsop for now it's just counting
let's see :)
@RoryAlsop Hm. Actually just had the thought that I've never seen your drummer. Then remembered, beat machine.
@Iszi Nope - all recorded - Erik is a drummer first and foremost
@Iszi Alright, I can see how this question is more related to the law and less as much proving the messages are fake.
@RoryAlsop you deliberately fucked up that umlaut on zwölf:)
@SmokeDispenser yup - and we had to go past ten...and eleven - we're one more louder!
20:51
:D
@RoryAlsop Is there something wrong with the bass on that video, or have my headphones just taken a shite?
that reminds me of the Munchkin extension for mixing munchkin games
@SmokeDispenser You don't need an extension
also, I'm having a really hard time understanding the lyrics:/
@Iszi not sure - that one was from next to the sound desk, but not an actual feed
20:53
@SmokeDispenser What, there's an extension for that? I just thought you threw all the decks together as-is.
@Iszi there is. the german name is "Munchkin im Mixer"
@Iszi You can get Epic Munchkin, which gives you triple race/class cards and so on
@SmokeDispenser one moment - I'll get the more boring, but better quality studio version
and it has a "mine goes to 11", whereas the game ends at level 11
@SmokeDispenser Munchkin Blender in English
20:54
@RoryAlsop thanks
@Matthew that's what I would've guessed;)
@RoryAlsop Yeah, pretty sure it's the video. Spotify is fine.
Guess I'm quite late for the WhatsApp train
oh - nope - that's the MOnster Magnet support version with 2 flaming guitars
Also, hOi
20:55
Hmmmmm - can't find it. Maybe listen to it on spotify, @Smoke, as @Iszi suggested
@MadaraUchiha ello ello ello
@RoryAlsop Oh, yeah... should have actually tried that too.
Heh. I was just trying a random bass-heavy track for comparison.
@RoryAlsop no spottify:/
@Iszi It'll be around somewhere - but need to go and have more gin...
I managed to coin the 3rd WhatsApp ETE question on the site :D
@SmokeDispenser oh
20:56
Not that late it seems
@MadaraUchiha yay \o/
will do with the live version then. do not ping me and i'll try;)
hey @MadaraUchiha
@SmokeDispenser hOi
@RoryAlsop I don't see it. They only have Sex On the Dancefloor EP, Alkomatik EP, and Burn Your Planet.
@Iszi ahhh - apologies. Maybe we don't have it up yet. I'll need to speak to my people to speak to the distribution people
20:58
@Matthew but as @Iszi is learning german, he can translate herself;)
Does anyone here know much or anything about HIPAA compliance for data storage / transfer?
inb4 iszi's gender verified image
@SmokeDispenser Hey, I'm not anywhere near there yet. And I assume that was an intentional slip?
@Iszi absolutely. memetically bound to happen from time to time.
@SmokeDispenser Okay, just wanted to make sure your English wasn't slipping. ;-)
21:00
nope.
still not British, but I can keep the genders straight
@l1thal I imagine it's like PCI - if you can make it someone else's problem, do.
okay, @RoryAlsop, there's no chance the live version will do.
@SmokeDispenser What if the genders don't want to be straight?
@Iszi Well actually, someone made it my problem. lol.
@DavidFreitag That's an orientation issue, not a gender issue.
21:02
@Iszi You're an orientation issue
@DavidFreitag yeah, that's why it slipped there. happens only with @Iszi. And @Simon. Don't know why.
@SmokeDispenser LOL. Nice.
@l1thal, nice edit there, btw. took some time, didn't it?
@SmokeDispenser Took a little, lol. I liked that question.
bawhahahaha.
... great new version of the script;)
21:05
@SmokeDispenser EEEEEEW APPLE USER
@DavidFreitag oh, boohoo.
@DavidFreitag I just thought the same thing
@SmokeDispenser You've got that wrong, I'm not crying I'm vomiting
@DavidFreitag should I get @Simon to hold your girly hair back?
Also, your bookmark bar is very uncluttered.
@SmokeDispenser Hair? What hair? I shave my head.
@DavidFreitag people use Bookmarks?
I see someone uses Dropbox. Thanks for sharing your files :P
@JukEboX yw
Is there a place I can see all the site proposals?
@l1thal like area51?
21:12
@SmokeDispenser Yeah, can you link me?
was about to anyway:)
Worst traffic jam ever
@l1thal, you did see that edit there, didn't you?
@SmokeDispenser Yep, thanks
@MarkBuffalo Hit the should and cruise to victory
21:17
@MarkBuffalo Well it's been less than a month since I last talked to you so... no it wasn't.
Huh?
That flew over my head. But I'm stuck in bumper to bumper traffic
Drove 0.2 miles in 17 seconds
Minutes..
@MarkBuffalo There are traffic jams in China that last weeks
Huh? When?
I used to drive everywhere.granted, not during chunjie
Duuuuude
21:19
25 lane highway
rekt
Weeks? Starved to death...?
@DavidFreitag wat
@MarkBuffalo No, tons of people abandoned their cars on the highway, came back for them days later
So the next time you're stuck in traffic count your lucky stars that your roads were designed by proper engineers
21:23
Pmfao
Yeah lets create a massive 25 lane highway, then shrink it down to 6 lanes in less than a mile. GG
@DavidFreitag well, it was spread before the toll station. that usually works fine.
No.
It's not ok. They are not ok.
༼つಠ益ಠ༽つ ─=≡ΣO))
21:27
It's from a german satire show.
@RоryMcCune wow!
my favorite part: "Read Kant" - (NSFW)
@SmokeDispenser yep, saw that one. Like it
@RoryAlsop don't know how much of that makes it over the canal but we have a serious problem with people not taking our constitution seriously - nor human rights. the video is full of that.
21:40
Might as well make a screenshot. I overtook the bear in april's rating for now;)
will probably be oven soon:)
Oh, and if I hit the rep cap tomorrow, my security profile will overtake my SO profile. nice :)
@QPaysTaxes so?
so?
aw, I'm too tired. It's a bad thing. altogether. good night. See you at the weekend on TS, @QPaysTaxes, CTFing?
nice.
@RoraΖ stab
21:59
@RоryMcCune hey now, I was out of office for a while.
its been busy here. I see I missed some drama?
flags and mods and bans, oh my!
@RoryAlsop what is the fallout about then?
@RоryMcCune pshaw, sometimes I post SMBC Theater.
@RоryMcCune oy, that is... that is terrible. and I have no memory of that whatsoever. In my defense, I did not know it was dodgy until afterwards (according to the transcript...). I guess that was before I knew how to delete myself... Sorted now though ;-)
@AviD probably kali gone.
@SmokeDispenser for reals?
I didn't get everything because well -- actual work
but she's not here while reviewing
so i guess she decided to not be here.
@SmokeDispenser Thank you for not using @ with every single sentence
Now I can go to bed in peace
:)
good night
22:09
@SmokeDispenser this happens
good night
@AviD yeah well. she said she'd be back when the flagger gets banned.
I hope she comes back w/o that.
indeed.
banning for flagging would really only be for a pattern of repeated abuse.
no clue if that took place here, but I doubt it.
imo he should've been banned
22:12
you know we all get a little off-topic and are not exactly nice all the time, to everyone.
abuse of the flagging system
wut
@DavidFreitag who?
and why?
@DavidFreitag I didn't want to discuss that before, but... no. the flag got approved. we have some democratic system.
@AviD HamZa flagged kalina because he had a problem with her, not her post.
ah
22:14
And kalina ragequit (AFAIK)
thats sucky
and it arguably fails from time to time
@AviD Yup and ain't nobody did shit about it except "don't do that again"
@DavidFreitag this is correct. Always a warning before harsher penalties.
still catching up, trying to piece together the story without reading 5K messages
It's just annoying that people keep abusing the system in here and nothing happens to them
22:16
in parallel to learning all about amazon's cloud services for a call tomorrow morning
@DavidFreitag the same person? or always more people?
@QPaysTaxes well
@DavidFreitag well, actually, haven gotten quite some shit from her (and you, and a lot of others) since I am here, I kinda get what hamzas point is - it is arguably wrong to flag. but it got approved.
@AviD Most of the time we never find out because flagging is anonymous, check out the stars from today and you will see HamZa admitted it
@SmokeDispenser If you have a problem, say something
if you post stuff, someone might find offensive, you know that. and 30 minutes is not that bad.
Otherwise we assume business as usual
@AviD I'm just saying a 30 minute kick isn't a "harsh penalty"
@DavidFreitag the harsher penalties would be a ban.
22:18
@QPaysTaxes He admitted it wasn't what she was saying, it was her attitude.
@AviD Not all bans are permanent. (unless there is a terminology issue here)
@QPaysTaxes Exactly, hence kick him in the face
@DavidFreitag possibly... getting flagkicked for 30 minutes isnt really a ban.
@DavidFreitag but a ban is way beyond reasonable
@AviD He didn't get flagckicked, Kalina did
@QPaysTaxes this
@DavidFreitag exactly
@SmokeDispenser A ban forever, yes. I meant a kick
22:19
@DavidFreitag kalina didn't, I think.
@SmokeDispenser No someone unbanned her
Err, unkicked. Whatever.
no, I mean...
@SmokeDispenser The flag got approved, she was removed from chat for 30 minutes
@DavidFreitag but as @SmokeDispenser said, some mod approved the flag. hence it technically isnt abuse... unless the mod is the one abusing.
@AviD It was an outside mod
I'm just saying: It's fucked up and kalina might never come back
22:21
yeah but the kick wouldnt be the result of that, it would be the result of modapproval
@QPaysTaxes exactly
@DavidFreitag it is. and that is pretty bad.
@DavidFreitag wouldnt be the first time.
@AviD Yeah because of stupid shit like this happening
8 hours ago, by kalina
I will be back once said individual has been banned
thats not to say she won't be missed, or that I think it is right. I don't.
@DavidFreitag not always
22:22
@DavidFreitag, that's what I meant with she probably meant banned
@SmokeDispenser as in, permaban.
@SmokeDispenser I honestly don't care what she means, this should never have happened in the first place
@DavidFreitag that's right
I hope I'm coming off as sounding upset, because I am quite mad.
and I do absolutely not want to watch my fingers in every fucking second.
22:24
@DavidFreitag stark raving
and want to be able to fool around w/o a suspension.
@SmokeDispenser Honestly if someone had enough of an issue with me I would want to be suspended
Because if someone has that much of an issue there's a reason why
well?
hamza had an issue with her. not the first time and - even if I like her sense of humor - I can see why.
me too.
I've never been banned or flagged (afaik)
@SmokeDispenser Yeah he has an issue so he goes and makes literally everything worse
well, tbf, we're making a bigger fuzz about this now than she did.
22:28
@QPaysTaxes I doubt it
@DavidFreitag we do it quietly, while you're sleeping.
and I really hope she comes back
@AviD Is that why I always wake up fully clothed?
@QPaysTaxes see, that's spite, when you clearly know its unacceptable. Consdier this your pre-warning ;-)
Almost time to go home ;)
22:29
@AviD wat
rip
Quick every accept it
baibai
@QPaysTaxes I was saying bye to AviD
@DavidFreitag Heh, that was supposed to say "everybody"
@AviD yeah - a whole bunch of stuff happened. There's chat over on TL as well - go back to that same timeframe
@RoryAlsop Wait more than just about what happened with kalina?
@RoryAlsop yeah saw some of that... how far back do I need to go?
Hang on - will check
Someone should set the room description to: "Please don't flag anything unless your sky is raining hellfire"
22:43
Alright. I'm gonno go off to bed now. see you tomorrow, hopefully with @kalina back.
12:45, 13:16, 14:30, the whole half hour from 15:25, 17:07
@RoryAlsop thanks!
uhh... those times are relative to local, arent they... :-S
@AviD oh - sorry. I'm on GMT+1
nooooo not kalinah
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22:45
@AviD They are EST I think
heh thanks!
she's my favorite pony
British Summer Time baby
It's still winter here -.-
meh, can yeh just link me the first one?
22:47
done in TL
thanks
I see I missed a lot of drama today
@RoryAlsop that is a lovely convo btw
sorry I missed it
Did the JS-crypto question get undeleted again?
Btw: wooohooo, first gold.
23:20
hi
did we get @kalina back?
:/
23:48
Shhh go to sleep.
Seriously Simon and Kalina must have already discover the notification cap of the inbox with all the pings you guys do per day.

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