The DMZ

Arperum

14:00

@silverpenguin No sense even. There are different joins for a reason. But no time for teaching you. Work to do.

Simon

He did say that he understands they're different.

AviD

@Arperum ^

silverpenguin

@Arperum I know the differences and the reasons for them lol

AviD

@Simon and then proceeded to disprove that statement.

Simon

How?

AviD

14:01

2 mins ago, by AviD

yknow what, nevermind, my brain is too tired to try to php.

Simon

That's the easy way out.

silverpenguin

I am a PHP developer i use them on a daily basis :( I think i just dont do english well @Simon

Adi

Do we need to have the PHP talk again?

2

Simon

@silverpenguin You also need to wear white gloves when you're replying to ovid.

Otherwise he's gonna twist the shit out of what you said, exactly like kalinuuuuuuuuuuh.

TildalWave

@AviD how do you get brain tired? :O

silverpenguin

14:03

@Simon you understood me right? e_e you are weird like me e_e you can be my API e_e

Simon

@silverpenguin soz I only have 1 thread and it's always busy.

TildalWave

probably an old age thing...

silverpenguin

@Simon apt-get install php5 << upgrade your version and use multithreading in your classes

:P

AviD

@silverpenguin is your keyboard broken? you keep having weird letters in between words.

Mark Buffalo

@AviD lol

Lighty

14:05

@silverpenguin PHP7 now, actually...

Simon

See, told ya to wear those white gloves.

silverpenguin

@Lighty did they do a stable debian release yet for the apt?

Lighty

@silverpenguin idk, idc

hosted somewhere else

Simon

@silverpenguin Probably not.

Lighty

not my problem

Matthew

14:06

2

Q: Normal usage vs. denial-of-service? How many requests are needed to talk about a denial of service?

Recently I used a tool to download a website and as part of the tool one could adjust the number of parallel connections. So now I found myself asking starting from how many requests a provider could rate it as a denial of service. I googled around however didn't find specific numbers or at least...

denial-of-service

I am baffled that people are confused that a denial of service attack is any attack which results in service being denied...

silverpenguin

@Simon had to compile my own PHP7 for debian ARM the other week... that took ages staring at a screen waiting

Ohnana

github.com/azer/left-pad/issues/4#issuecomment-200062925

NPM is not having a good day

Simon

@silverpenguin Ages? Is the server single-threaded too?

diagprov

@Ohnana looks like PHP can have a reprieve while we all bash node.js for a bit ;)

silverpenguin

@Simon mobile phone ... took like 20 mins to make and make install and install and blargh

Simon

14:08

Why on earth are you installing that on mobile?

silverpenguin

@Simon RnD

Simon

ô_ô

TildalWave

@Matthew it's a feature :)

silverpenguin

@Simon I develop on a system which requires alot of RnD because the use of these systems have not been this before... so i get to play with things all day :D mostly...

Simon

@silverpenguin Are you saying that you're planning to use a phone to interpret PHP files on a production system?

kalina

14:11

I'm as mad as hell... and I'm not going to take this anymore!

Simon

Shut top.

kalina

sets

fire

to

Simon

ME

kalina

everything

Simon

o

silverpenguin

14:11

@kalina ohh you meant mad as in cray cray

kalina

pls cray cray

TildalWave

I didn't know that Metallica did an Anti-Nowhere League cover cc @DavidFreitag

Metallica Intro - So [Fucking] What - Cunning Stunts [HD] 1080P

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NSFW

Simon

You're a cunning stunt.

kalina

you're nsfw

@Simon I HAVE A WHAT?!

o

TildalWave

@Simon you mean a stunning c....? :))

Simon

14:13

pls no

kalina

nerds like x men, @Simon likes c men

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana damn.

Simon

@kalina Claims she wants gender equality, laughs at homosexual men.

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana npm's trust model sucks, this is a good example of why :)

Simon

Way to go, girl.

kalina

14:14

@Simon I laugh at everyone

silverpenguin

@TildalWave oh that says CUNNing STunts ... well played dyslexia... well played

kalina

thus, equality

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune npm just plain sucks?

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana the HN thread was funny people seeming surprised about the lack of validation on NPM

@MarkBuffalo No idea guv, I'm not a JavaScript dev, I just think the number of people pulling code from it and blindly running that code in production is too damn high!

Simon

You're too damn high.

silverpenguin

14:16

@Simon ehhh bit more indepth than that its not literally a mobile... a mobile would be more powerful.... but its hard to mention to much detail without giving away a big chunk of my secret identity

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune This is called cut and paste based development

TildalWave

@silverpenguin yeah he also says wot-a LOL stupid mercans

Simon

@silverpenguin da fuk r u trying to do on a Raspberry Pi, son?

diagprov

@RоryMcCune brb, doing curl ... | sh as root.

silverpenguin

@Simon D: you have found my secrets

Mark Buffalo

14:16

Too many devs relying on libaries today

Including myself

:(

kalina

stackoverflow is like a library

Simon

The only library I rely on is Bootstrap because I suck at CSS.

Which means that I need jQuery but whatevs.

Mark Buffalo

I don't cut and paste though

silverpenguin

@Simon I work in avionics :D remember that haha! and all the pieces shall fall like a house of cards...check mate...

Mark Buffalo

Oh man, I figging hate bootstrap

kalina

14:18

@MarkBuffalo typing it out word for word is the same thing

TildalWave

@kalina hahahaha

diagprov

Should probably put this as alias yolo=wgetandpipetoshasroot where wgetandpipetoshasroot is an appropriate function.

Simon

@silverpenguin o right

Mark Buffalo

@kalina usually I just need to know a static class name or something

silverpenguin

@Simon do you have linked in ?? that you are willing to share with you favourite manatee

Mark Buffalo

14:19

"This thing is deprecated. Please use x instead"

Simon

@silverpenguin A few lads have me on there, looks like you're gonna have to go full on stalker if you wanna send me a request because I'm not gonna link it here.

silverpenguin

@Simon you give me permission to track you down ?

Mark Buffalo

@Simon Can I stalk you, mr. Simon?

Simon

@silverpenguin Yep.

@MarkBuffalo No.

Mark Buffalo

:(

That hurts my Internet feelings, you know.

Simon

14:22

Too bad, that's what you get for being too creepy.

Mark Buffalo

Haha

Am I really that creepy? Sorry, I'll tone it down a bit.

silverpenguin

@Simon I think i found you

Simon

@silverpenguin What am I doing on my profile picture?

silverpenguin

looking to my left @Simon

in a red t shirt

Simon

Oh yeah that's an old ass picture.

Did you get my last name?

silverpenguin

14:30

Simon D

Simon

Yup that's right because I love the D.

2

silverpenguin

I found you ;)

pretty quick time eh

Simon

Yeah but it's not like I've been my identity lulz

silverpenguin

@Simon hey man I had to stalk someone prior to you

Simon

Whoa.

silverpenguin

14:32

you need to cut some of your contacts loose they are your weak spot

Simon

Yeah I think I know how you did it.

Google+ is the weak vector.

silverpenguin

@Simon yes hahaa google pls

Simon

Anyway, I'll accept the request whenever I get home if I remember.

silverpenguin

:O remember? you think about me night and day

Simon

wat

silverpenguin

14:34

well stalking simon has given me my feel of accomplishment of the day... mission accomplished everyone

Rory Alsop

Yaaaaaaayyyyyyy - work instance has been updated to include latest Office and IE 11

Simon

@RoryAlsop lol'd

Rory Alsop

I can actually use my work machine to do things

Simon

Were you on IE10 before?

silverpenguin

@RoryAlsop you can use that IE 11 to download google chrome

Simon

14:36

Security expert => forced to use IE10

Rory Alsop

Oh - I have a workaround version of chrome on here already

Simon

o

Rory Alsop

@Simon oh no - it wasn't anywhere near that new

Thomas Pornin

I still have IE 8 on my work machine...

Simon

@RoryAlsop Wow.

silverpenguin

14:36

@RoryAlsop 6 e_e

Simon

Big corps suck for that.

Rory Alsop

:-/

The good thing was - the entire update took 8 minutes. I love virtual desktop environments

Simon

@ThomasPornin Looks like Desjardins really cares about security, eh?

ffs

Thomas Pornin

@Simon I suppose they assume that I won't browse funky sites -- and, anyway, they block funky sites.

Fortunately, I also have my own laptop with my own phone, thus using my own Internet.

Simon

@ThomasPornin I bet it'd take you less than 2 hours to bypass the block.

Rory Alsop

14:38

@Simon in corporates it is not sensible to bypass the block

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Of course. But I won't.

Simon

@RoryAlsop That's for sure.

@ThomasPornin Are they paying for your data?

Rory Alsop

And making sure your machine is absolutely stock is a very good thing in a corporate environment

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Yes. 2 GB per month.

Rory Alsop

It reduces your risk exposure dramatically

Simon

14:39

@ThomasPornin Ouch.

Sounds like you're doing your system updates at home.

However on LTE, you must be getting a decent speed.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Yes -- on an emergency, I can use the WiFi for visitors, that at least let Linux updates flow.

Abhimanyu Aryan

Hi, is it safe to use Facebook?

Rory Alsop

Hi - no

Abhimanyu Aryan

they don't have 2step auth

Thomas Pornin

@AbhimanyuAryan No. Facebook makes people stupid.

Rory Alsop

14:41

and yes

If you want to share cat pictures I think it is pretty effective

Abhimanyu Aryan

my sister's facebook account was just hacked and I received a comment

Rory Alsop

It's also pretty effective at sharing your personal data

Abhimanyu Aryan

on my status. I posted Cricket sucks :D

silverpenguin

@AbhimanyuAryan in all fairness it is really boring

Abhimanyu Aryan

I prefer to use Twitter. Atleast it has 2-step SMS verification.

TildalWave

14:42

@RoryAlsop ... with complete strangers and evilcorp

Abhimanyu Aryan

are 2-step verification really safe?

Simon

Is anything really safe?

Abhimanyu Aryan

yes @silverpenguin it sucks.....total waste of time

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave yup

silverpenguin

@AbhimanyuAryan maybe this would be a question best for the main site rather than a chat room :) im sure you will get a good response

TildalWave

14:43

Out of curiosity, does anyone here actually even use FB for anything else than, erm, let's say research?

Rory Alsop

@AbhimanyuAryan why would you need 2-step verification for Twitter. Also - SMS verification is not a good choice of 2nd factor

Abhimanyu Aryan

I don't man @Simon....but if you don't click links without https, download unknown attachments then you aren't dump

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave I have 4 Facebook accounts

silverpenguin

@TildalWave I deleted facebook it creeps me out... i kept it going for 4 extra years trying to get all photos of me deleted

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop sure, but do you actually use them as they were meant to be?

Thomas Pornin

14:44

@RoryAlsop I suppose they all contain personal data of other people?

TildalWave

and no, your company accounts don't count...

hey @Simon look, history :))

In the days before Photoshop (1984)

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Simon

@TildalWave I wasn't even born in 1984.

Arperum

I have a facebook account. I just regard everything I post on it as public info.

Abhimanyu Aryan

Do you guys have personnel profiles on Internet? With real pictures?

Journeyman Geek

@Simon get off my lawn.

@AbhimanyuAryan for certain values of real

Simon

14:51

Yeah like the fugly dog that you see right now is his real dog.

TildalWave

for personnel profiles, carefully selected awkward moments, for personal profile, carefully selected non-awkward ones :P

Simon

Yeah like the IBC video some of us did, we all broke the OpSec barrier.

Abhimanyu Aryan

so should I get rid of all my photographs. Like Google can search about me easily. If somebody type my name.

Google tells all of the activities. Weather on stackoverflow, or anyother site

?

Simon

@AbhimanyuAryan You just gotta ask yourself if an individual could use any of this information to harm you.

TildalWave

@AbhimanyuAryan once on the internet, always on the internet ... too late to delete stuff now

Abhimanyu Aryan

14:54

Yaa that's true

Ohnana

@AbhimanyuAryan yeppers

Abhimanyu Aryan

but sometimes I really don't care even if somebody photoshop my face with a nude body. I take it positive "All publicity good publicity"

unless somebody hacks into my money.

or Bitcoins

TildalWave

well, it would be a bit awkward if some official requests that you strip naked so they can identify you because that's how you appear on official identification documents :D

Ohnana

@AbhimanyuAryan dude, i would save that as an internet award

Abhimanyu Aryan

But I think I have to stop using Facebook for sure. Like on Twitter. I mostly re-tweet and reply professionally(which couldn't harm me much)

Facebook has my feeling. Anyone can do little bit web scrapping and look for keywords.

SmokeDispenser

14:57

@Ohnana :DDD

Ohnana

"and here you see the work of someone who cared enough about my existence to sit through photoshop's startup sequence"

Abhimanyu Aryan

like "I fell", "I like" and even kids can do tab nabbing and phishing

@Ohnana lol

hehehehehehe

Ohnana

@AbhimanyuAryan tbh, you can find out a whole lot of info about me on my fb, and i've put it there intentionally

Simon

@AbhimanyuAryan Why don't you set your profile on private and allow only your friends to see your content?

SmokeDispenser

@Ohnana same.

Mark Buffalo

14:58

@Simon This

silverpenguin

@Ohnana if someone photoshops my face onto someones body I really hope they use hugh jackman ...

Simon

There's a lot of privacy parameters that you can tweak on FB.

Mark Buffalo

A million times that.

Ohnana

can't blackmail me with public information, and i get to belittle the poor sap who tries but calling them a skiddie

Abhimanyu Aryan

I take it personal when somebody target my family(sister). I care less if they target me. But she doesn't seem to care. I do

Mark Buffalo

14:59

Nobody can blackmail me. I don't have any secrets worth protecting d:

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