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20:00
(has a swear word)
@RоryMcCune I would except we need the development VM made now. I'll probably upgrade to 16.04 but I doubt it
@MarkBuffalo Image not found
@DavidFreitag ahh well 14.04 for stability 15.10 for new stuff, if you want a gui use xubuntu :) (BTW anything past 14.04 has systemd....)
i just want to hug kittens T_T
20:02
@RоryMcCune I prefer Lubuntu over Xubuntu for VMs
@MarkBuffalo (⊙_◎)
@DavidFreitag do you not just use the OS the original is on?
@DavidFreitag yeah I used to go for lubuntu, but xubuntu seems to have more sane defaults and I like the GUI better
@RоryMcCune Yeah I usually gut Lubuntu and make a bunch of changes to get it the way I like it.
@RoryAlsop I know you said 15... but I'm an extremist.
@MarkBuffalo just flagged this convo, more NSA bait
@silverpenguin dammit, I don't mean like that
@Ohnana Wow, that's a lot of work
@RоryMcCune plus XFCE is just a little too OS X for my taste
get him he is a snitch
@MarkBuffalo read that thread on GH
> This activity has kept, on average, more than 5 server CPUs permanently pegged, and used several terabytes of bandwidth out of our datacenters.
> Finally, the layout of the repo itself doesn't help. Specifically, the Specs directory, which contains 16k+ subdirectories, causes some Git operations to be unexpectedly expensive, further driving up CPU usage
WTAFFFFFF
there have been approximately 1.1 Million clones/fetches from CocoaPods/Specs in the past week.
.................
20:07
@Ohnana inorite
GITHUB. IS. NOT. A. FREE. CDN.
> Finally, the layout of the repo itself doesn't help. Specifically, the Specs directory, which contains 16k+ subdirectories, causes some Git operations to be unexpectedly expensive, further driving up CPU usage.
WTF
WTAF
they're using github as a free cdn?
@MarkBuffalo Trying to
Even though there are a few people who have set up actual free CDN's hooked directly into Github
yeah and they're nuking github
20:12
Pretty scummy right there
it's essentially rubygems but built on the back of git -- for free
@MarkBuffalo I doubt they are doing it intentionally. Sounds more like ignorance of how Git actually works
no, they are:
@DavidFreitag they know that they're beating the hell out of git
Especially with the fact they are using shallow fetched versus full clones
20:13
they don't exactly know why
but they know they're beating it to death
@Ohnana Sure but I bet they didn't know they were causing so many problems to Github
get rekt gitty hub
> For the ‘HR’ and funding reasons listed above, I think we’re actually being ‘smarter’ than various other packaging systems.
@DavidFreitag i guess that's true
they don't seem very repentant... like they're just like "okay now fix it"
@Ohnana worse
rubygems zips up things
so it's a single file
20:15
@James Plus presumably it's also compressed to aid in bandwidth consumption
@DavidFreitag yeah, but primarily because that's what you do with a package manager
CocoaPods freakin' adds a WHOLE ENTIRE DIRECTORY for each update
@kalina pls, I am so peaceful I am almost canadian. It's the quiet you'll never get with me around.
it's little better than version control via copying and renaming folders
@James whoa!
@DavidFreitag OI! NO IGNORING THE MODS!
20:17
@AviD I don't. I make it a point not to ignore anyone.
@James that just DDoS'd my pony browser
@James WTAF
20:20
That page is so laggy.
So then inside of each of the 15K projects
there are folders
You want to see laggy Github? Try to use the STL viewer
with version numbers
@James ಠ_ಠ
so yeah
So yeah
20:20
Yeah.
burn these devs with fire
they are misinformed
@kalina please purge the cocoapods project
pls
@Ohnana Tar and feather them, then publicly beat them.
Like, even rubygems and bower
store indexes
20:21
I wanna go with the "they don't give a fuck" option before the "misinformed" one.
actually, take homebrew as an example
@Simon I would go less misinformed and more "Completely idiotic"
dovid pls
they have formulas, and then update the formula with the new version number and the link to the project hosted elsewhere
You won't be able to migrate to Canada when Trump gets elected with a such attitude, dovid.
20:22
rubygems/bundler can specify a git source in the file, and then it clones from git and installs it
If I'm going to become an expat, it won't be to Canada.
that's nifty and OK.
what cocoapods is doing is... entirely different.
(Sorry, getting off my soap box. I build a rubygems mirror a few months ago for fun. Package management sucks)
@James No worries, it's always nice to learn more about how things work :]
So... long story short, cocoapods/specs is 110% an abuse of git
@James and a 250% abuse of github.
20:25
storing 30GB of raw video game assets in git is better than what they're doing. Because git knows to treat those as binaries. specs is just... an abuse.
@AviD Yeah.
gotta say though, it really looks like GH is handling this admirably.
I don't wanna sound like an ass but if this has the possibility to crash Github, it's their job to block it.
Actually, I don't mind to sound like an ass.
2
ass master race
another person who confuses encryption with hashing sigh
For once, the hacker news comments are actually worth reading: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11245652
@Simon Buttocks4lyfe
20:26
1
Q: Client-side BCrypt, store salt and hash separately in MySQL database

Viktor YbergI’m developing an Android app with a MySQL database for storing user login credentials. I’m using jBCrypt for encrypting passwords before storing them in the database. On registration, the password is encrypted on client-side as follows: String salt = BCrypt.gensalt(); String hash = BCrypt.hash...

(I mean, there are some trolls. But the majority seem to be OK)
@Simon they're already throttling the shit out of it
> To be blunt, you're abusing the shit out of SOMEONE ELSE'S product that you're not even paying for. Your first question shouldn't be to see what Github can do for you to make it so you don't have to make changes. You should be falling over yourself investigating all available avenues for reducing load.
@Simon assmaster race
so is that like a contest for all the assmasters?
I love how after the Github dev replies that HTTP fetching instead of HTTPS fetching won't help anything, they opened an issue to enable HTTP fetching
20:28
lol
did they?
yep
@DavidFreitag brilliant
hurr durr imma develop-HURR
also, WOW those CP devs are horrid.
MRW when I'm doing front-end: <div><div><div><div><div></div></div></div></div></div>
Ahh - latest update for the OnePlus devices in the house, and the Android watches. All including decent security patches :-)
happy days
@Simon I don't want to hear about your front end.
cc @RоryMcCune ;-P
cc roro anti android nazi
20:33
@RoryAlsop Do you mean the update I got weeks ago?
@DavidFreitag who knows
I doubt it
@Simon lol
In other news I finally got my internets set up today
@DavidFreitag superb
@RoryAlsop So which OnePlus do you have?
one and two
20:42
I pay for 150Mb/s and I now get 220Mb/s average
do you like the two?
@DavidFreitag I pay for 8 and get 2.7
grrrrrrr
@James yep - the one was my favourite phone until I got the two
@RoryAlsop I'm sorry I can't help but laugh at that
@RoryAlsop In Germany you could sue the provider for that
@DavidFreitag 76Mb is ... imminent
20:43
ooh foreign mod
hi
@SEJPM in the UK all speeds are sold as "up to..."
@RoryAlsop Hah that's clever of them
@RoryAlsop so is it in Germany, but if they deliver less than 50% you can successfully sue them (it was done already)
@James It took some work to set it up how I like it. Including removal of the malware it was shipped with...
@RoryAlsop Hm. OK, I will have to consider it if I can't resurrect my 5X
@RoryAlsop They ship it with malware? No thanks.
20:44
@RoryAlsop Malware?
@James Well you're going to put a custom rom on it anyway
s/malware/adware ?
@James I also have the Samsung S6, S5, S4 and they were all good= but the OnePlus phones are waaay better on all the features I need
Yeah I REALLY miss my opo
@SEJPM Malware. Bad bad malware. The upside is - when I get a new phone it first goes on a separate DMZ until secured, so it was very obvious straight away it was trying to do...something
@RoryAlsop Did you ever investigate, or just nuke it?
20:47
@DavidFreitag I spoke to a relatively uninterested sales person in China, and sent them a bunch of info about it. And then nuked it and never heard from them again
@RoryAlsop Yeah, i'm sure.
but malware...
eek
I don't think I could trust the phone after that
@James anything that gets shipped from China is suspect (in my humble opinion)
@James New kernel + new rom no issues
@DavidFreitag exactly this ^
So you just put cyanogen on it or something?
20:48
Remember, your iPhone, 1+1, others - could all have it
@James Currently I have Cyanogen on the 1+1 and Oxygen on the 1+2
@James It comes stock with cyanogen
Well, the 1+1 did anyway
My eldest likes Cyanogen, so he has stuck with that (there is an Oxygen route if desired)
@RoryAlsop I have an android tablet where the ROM includes malware.
hmm lubuntu 15.10 only needs "poweroff" instead of "sudo poweroff now"
some cheap point-of-view device I bought for my Japan vacation.
20:51
configure in sudo file
then alias#
Also, virtualbox doesn't seem to like 15.10
Hangs at poweroff
@CodesInChaos I was very suspicious when I received the Galaxy Tab S from an unknown person... After I'd wiped and rebuilt, and donated to wife and kids it doesn't worry me any more :-)
@DavidFreitag If I remember correctly, poweroff uses the same structure that the shutdown menu uses
Via PolicyKit (I think)
@James I'm not that concerned, just found it a bit odd
@RoryAlsop Figuring out how to install a new image takes more than than my tabled is worth.
20:53
@CodesInChaos fair enough :-) I always see those things as practice (us HR folks need techie practice...)
@CodesInChaos Seriously it's a few commands with Fastboot + ADB
@DavidFreitag But you need a clean image compatible with the device.
just realised us mods got a weird compliment from AstroDan (only just seen the star wall for the first time today)
yay
nom nom jelly babies
@CodesInChaos Yeah and as long as you don't have some kind of no name $30 device you're all set
20:54
@DavidFreitag hmmmm
hey be impressed i had to go out into the burning moon light to get these jelly babies.
4 mins ago, by CodesInChaos
some cheap point-of-view device I bought for my Japan vacation.
@CodesInChaos that sounds like an awesome holiday
FFS outlook won't connect
@DavidFreitag So I think it's a systemD thing
20:56
So much anger
@DavidFreitag have you tried reinstalling
turn it off and on again?
i can only do so much @DavidFreitag work with me here
@RoryAlsop compare A&A's attitude to bandwidth to most UK ISPs revk.uk/2016/03/growing-pains.html
@silverpenguin I'll reinstall you here in a second
@DavidFreitag but we only just met D:
plus you cant even manage outlook. i think your threats are empty @DavidFreitag
@RоryMcCune Terabyte service...!!!
21:00
triple sass snaps
@silverpenguin I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
@silverpenguin OH DAMN
it's a THROWDOWN SHOWDOWN
@DavidFreitag i guess those skills are not microsoft products
@silverpenguin Yeah that's probably true. More in the use and handling of hazardous chemicals, explosives, and thermite.
Great... VirtualBox installer hangs now
I'm just going to give up, and put my workstation in a microwave.
@DavidFreitag I think it's safe to say you're now on more lists than me...
21:14
@RoryAlsop hey maybe you have a lot of downloads to do :)
@RоryMcCune I just want to be able to do normal stuff while 3 kids are all on youtube
@RoryAlsop hopefully you'll get good service when they enable your cab. :)
@RоryMcCune I'm sort of counting on it
21:28
Woops I accidently deleted my wallpapers
@DavidFreitag a very long career? :O
Also: FFS I hate bluescreens
@TildalWave It's a quote from Taken
God FFS can I actually do something today without some piece of software misbehaving
@CodesInChaos All three [[untagged] questions](crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/untagged) on Crypto are migration artefacts that are no longer useful. Could you delete them? That would remove [untagged] from the tag list.
21:42
@Gilles done
mission accomplished
@CodesInChaos thanks
@DavidFreitag never watched it, any good?
@TildalWave First one is pretty good, others are...
@MarkBuffalo Being on lists is over rated anyway.
@Simon is it just me or is GMusic taking an eternity to load?
@DavidFreitag I'm not sure I'm up for yet another angry Liam Neeson movie TBH
21:51
@TildalWave Another one?
c'mon there's loads,... Unknown, Non-Stop,...
I live under a rock at the bottom of the sea
Run All Night...
and there's like 3 Takens :O
oh and Seraphim Falls, but that one is "different"
sorry i took so long to reply @DavidFreitag that was just such a boring story i fell asleep
(boom)
21:58
@silverpenguin Story?
@DavidFreitag about your thermite and chemicals
@silverpenguin That was a story?
@DavidFreitag FIGHT ME (thats actually funny meme)

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