The DMZ

David Freitag

22:02

I really wish wallhaven would get around to implementing search by color

Mark Buffalo

I keep getting a million recruitment messages from consultation companies

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag what's wrong with google image search?

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo brag moar

Mark Buffalo

I'm not bragging, I'm highly annoyed

David Freitag

@TildalWave Yeah and search for what? "Wallpaper" ? No thanks.

@MarkBuffalo Sure sounds like you're bragging.

Mark Buffalo

22:04

no, I do not usually like that type of company to begin with

it's not my style

guess it really depends, though

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag yeah, plus whatever other keywords you want, plus filter by size (say, at least 4 MB), color,...

David Freitag

So for wallpapers I think I'm going to go with these:

Left/Right

kalina

@AviD if only that were true

@Ohnana but why?

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag encrypted.google.com/…

Ohnana

@kalina they're murdering github and not even sorry

> hello kitty

kalina

22:07

@Ohnana it's probably for the best

David Freitag

@TildalWave No thanks I'd rather stick to wallhaven

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag i like this one: wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/09/29/153062/…

David Freitag

@Ohnana sfw?

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag yep

David Freitag

@Ohnana meh

Ohnana

22:08

RUDE

i actually have one with ed-e

can't find it

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag encrypted.google.com/… slightly NSFW with safe search filter off

David Freitag

My home desktop is the n spoopy (n+2) me one

but only because I can't be bothered at home

@TildalWave Why you give me NSFW links while I'm at work ಠ_ಠ

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag why do you have safe search filter disabled at work?

David Freitag

@TildalWave I don't

TildalWave

then it shouldn't be NSFW

David Freitag

22:12

It's slightly NSFW

Ohnana

@TildalWave WTAF

boobies are not "nerdy"

BOOBS ARE MAINSTREAM

POSERS

David Freitag

@Ohnana Boobies can be nerdy if they're wearing glasses

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag >:(

TildalWave

I think the idea is that seeing them on the monitor is about as close that nerds will get to them

*male nerds

Mark Buffalo

I disagree

looks in mirror and jiggles

David Freitag

22:16

lololol

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo I read that as looks in mirror and juggles

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave Thanks for the endorsements on LinkedIn

give me moar pls

TildalWave

LOL yeah I followed one link request and thought to click a bit of goodness to offset that reject one

Mark Buffalo

Someone rejected something?

TildalWave

I rejected someone's request to link up

Mark Buffalo

22:20

ah

Some recruiter added me, and won't talk to me

David Freitag

@TildalWave DENIED

Mark Buffalo

I asked who she was... no response. = deleted

David Freitag

I think the only way recruiters find me is through my email on my github

And I'd bet it's found using some automated utility

Mark Buffalo

I knew it was a mistake to fill out some things on my linkedin

it's still incomplete, but the flies are swarming

Simon

ffs roro keeps RTing Docker things

Bad roro

David Freitag

22:22

@MarkBuffalo Well you know what they say, flies only swarm to shit.

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag ikr

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo there you go, a few more but that's it for a while, I'm quite proud of not hanging out on LinkedIn

Mark Buffalo

I rarely use it

only reason I keep it up to date is... well, I don't know

thank you kindly

Social networks aren't really my thing

TildalWave

yeah, I don't really... I'd probably update my profile two times a year which is still more often than I update my CV tho

what I like most about LinkedIn is all the companies I didn't bother to mention and knowing that those still there saw it :)

occasional deny to link up is also almost as fun

AviD

you're not supposed to "hang out" on linkedin, but its still useful

more of a "professional networking site" than "social network" (or maybe 1st as a subset of 2nd)

I use it a lot - it is my "real" CV, I get clients, projects, and job offers all the time.

(not counting recruiter spam - I consider that a small price to pay)

Mark Buffalo

22:34

I see people hanging out there all day... don't understand it really

TildalWave

yeah I'm keeping it more for the time when it might become useful, but haven't relied on it so far

Mark Buffalo

I'll visit maybe once or twice a day... and there are people spamming 24/7

AviD

@TildalWave consider it opening the window to opportunity.

Mark Buffalo

posting tons of motivational posters, etc. I got off of facebook because of that... well, partially

AviD

you never know what will find its way to you.

Mark Buffalo

22:35

@AviD Yep

AviD

@MarkBuffalo yeah I hate when people do that. Its not what its for.

so what dont care, I barely look at the feed there.

TildalWave

@AviD dude I realize its potential, but it's also a lot of noise and like I said, I haven't really needed it yet

I'm not saying it's worthless

AviD

@TildalWave are we still talking about LinkedIn? @Simon is getting edgy.

TildalWave

yes LOL

aren't we due for a new blog post?

David Freitag

I think I accidently bought sugar free gum

Mark Buffalo

22:40

You know what's an instant turn-off/block communication?

TildalWave

oh noes, delay the all out nuclear war, @DavidFreitag isn't ready

Mark Buffalo

Someone adds you... turns out they're a recruiter. "HI, WHAT SALARY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR???"

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo All of it

@TildalWave Well I'm ready now

Mark Buffalo

Me: "Uh? I'm not even interested in your oppor--"
Recruiter: "YOUR SALARY. SIMPLE AS THAT LULZLSLSLLD"

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Haha, even I make more than that

Mark Buffalo

22:42

haha

oh man, there was this one recruiter who asked me to take 10 multiple choice tests ranging from 150-300 different answers

TildalWave

knowing what salary is one after is pointless without also knowing where

Mark Buffalo

Yeah. Where, when, why, and what would I be doing?

The last recruiter was pretty good, though

Had to change my phone number after getting rang by recruiters upwards of 20 times a day... many of them at work.

TildalWave

30k net salary is pretty good here, but that would mean it's about 50k gross and all the benefits

also, living here is relatively cheap compared to, say, London

or Brussels

David Freitag

@TildalWave We're talking USD though

TildalWave

not just because things cost less, but also because you'll need to buy fewer things to feel happy

David Freitag

22:48

30k GBP or 30k euro isn't too bad

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag yeah I know, I was talking €

@DavidFreitag 30k GBP in London is pretty awful

David Freitag

@TildalWave Well yeah in a city

TildalWave

also everywhere around it

AviD

@MarkBuffalo worse, they usually NEED to know what salary you have now.

YEAH RIGHT

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag not all major cities in Europe are that bad tho

David Freitag

22:51

@TildalWave Yeah and not all major cities in the us are as bad as SF

TildalWave

indeed

AviD

@TildalWave I wish I made that much.

wait wait, you guys are talking YEARLY, not monthly, right?

pshaw.

TildalWave

@AviD you don't live in London tho

yearly yeah

David Freitag

Actually 30k euro isn't all that much

That's what I make right now

AviD

I think Israel is the only place that quotes salaries in monthly.

TildalWave

22:52

we do that here too

Gilles

@AviD France too, traditionally, but it's changing

AviD

@DavidFreitag again, 30KEU is very decent - if its per month.

Gilles

@DavidFreitag depends where you live </broken record>

David Freitag

@AviD dude 30k per month would be absolutely nuts

AviD

interesting

TildalWave

22:54

@DavidFreitag we have a simple saying here: you spend it as stupid as you earn it

AviD

hmm yeah in EU that is a bit high. Would need to go to Google or Facebook for that.

David Freitag

@TildalWave If I made 30k/mo I would buy a car and a condo and bank the rest

Actually, I would buy my car

AviD

dont forget how much of that goes to taxes

well again depends where

David Freitag

@AviD I end up paying something like 10% of my income in taxes (most of which I get back through various deductions etc)

TildalWave

taxes here are a bitch

Rory Alsop

22:56

@DavidFreitag wow - I dream of only 10% being taxed off me...

Gilles

@RoryAlsop IIRC David is grossly underpaid

TildalWave

but there's some good parts of it, like you'll be fully covered for pretty much anything as long as you declare regular income and pay taxes for it

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Yeah but you guys have halfway decent healthcare and college tuitions that aren't absolutely bonkers

Rory Alsop

oh - the guys on Mechanics.SE were helping me out trying to find a new car. FOund this:

pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/audi/s4/…

475 bhp

I could cope with that

David Freitag

lol

TildalWave

22:58

most colleges are still free here... OK, it'll cost you quite some, but not in tuition

David Freitag

College here costs about 30k/yr, or 45k+/yr for ivy league

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave yep - free here

David Freitag

Boston University is something like 49k

TildalWave

healthcare is ... erm, decent enough but you can now go anywhere in EU and have coverage there then

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune - hadn't seen LetterKenny before - that's warped and twisted but very good. Reminds me of some of the side aspects of League of Gentlemen

TildalWave

23:00

and there's social security which does include basic pension and other social benefits... I guess that's the most costly item in taxes tho

and healthcare

Gilles

@DavidFreitag I know about this, and yet every time I hear about it it sounds insane

TildalWave

actually, now writing about it it almost sounds reasonable, but the problem is in too much bureaucracy and costs associated with that

Gilles

that's a good chunk of a house mortgage

TildalWave

half of which is entirely because of being in EU

David Freitag

@Gilles Yup and 4 years of that. Or 12 if you want a medical degree

Gilles

23:02

@DavidFreitag oh, wait, right, per year

David Freitag

@Gilles Yup

Gilles

that's a whole house mortgage!

David Freitag

Granted if you have good grades (3.5+ GPA) you can basically get a free ride from scholarships/fiancial aid

Gilles

at least a decent apartment in a small town

David Freitag

You can even cover books/laptops etc

@Gilles Technically it's a tax writeoff for whomever pays it. There is a tax form (the 1098-T) which allows you to claim up to like $50k/yr in educational expenses

Plus an additional $500 for books laptops calculators etc.

Mark Buffalo

23:05

@AviD Yeah, I usually don't respond, and just delete them. Or there's a recruiter who thinks I'm going to take time out of my schedule to help them find "talent." "DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN X OPPORTUNITY????"

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop aye, it looks good, not too sure if the full shows are in the UK tho'...

Gilles

@MarkBuffalo reply: how much joining bonus do I get?

Mark Buffalo

@Gilles "$500"

Gilles

@MarkBuffalo hmmm, not so bad

AviD

@MarkBuffalo yeah its a sellers market. Anyone who has that talent, doesnt need them to find a better job.

Mark Buffalo

23:07

precisely

David Freitag

@AviD Well, except me maybe

But that's only because I was born with my head in a bucket of sand

Mark Buffalo

actually, you're worth more than you realize

David Freitag

or more than I take credit for

AviD

@DavidFreitag you dont need a headhunter. you need a head.

4

Just decide it, and its yours.

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah well I was born without a head

AviD

23:10

@DavidFreitag you should walk around tomorrow asking everyone for some head.

@DavidFreitag that might solve your problem with leaving your current job.

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah that's a good idea. I'll have to do it at work though

I'll probably wait until the CEO gets back next week though

@AviD lol, did you just ping a message after your message

AviD

@DavidFreitag IT'S LIKE I TRAVELLED THROUGH TIME

@DavidFreitag I SENT YOU A MESSAGE THROUGH TIME

She also starts every letter with "Dear Future <your name>".

David Freitag

@AviD s/traveled/derped

TildalWave

@AviD all the messages are sent through time you donut

AviD

@TildalWave see above

David Freitag

23:15

@TildalWave Except the messages that are never sent.

AviD

@DavidFreitag those get lost in the vortex.

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag they aren't messages then

David Freitag

@TildalWave A message unsent is still a message.

TildalWave

OK it depends what you mean with "sent"

quantum world gets a bit messy here

David Freitag

I really need to alias apt-get to apt0get

Or wait the other way 'round

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