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13:06
@SEJPM I see you e_e
@silverpenguin so what?
@SEJPM hi :) how are you
was just being friendly and starting a convo :)
@silverpenguin I'm seeing that
@SEJPM WHOA GERMANY, CALM DOWN.
@Simon ?
13:12
everyone hard at work or hardly working?
@silverpenguin are you asking whether I'm hard?
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@SEJPM depends...no im not! lol im asking if you are working hard! :P
@silverpenguin not right now. Right now I'm looking for an interesting book for less than 25€ in Germany (which is rather hard for me)
@SEJPM wjat book? :)
@silverpenguin any book
13:29
@SEJPM it just has to be in german?
@silverpenguin it should be interesting and english (didactic books) or german (entertaining books)
@SEJPM have you read security engineering by Ross Anderson?
@RоryMcCune no, and disqualified by price (84€)
available for free entirely legitimate
that's the author's website
ya, thanks
I was looking for that
13:33
@RоryMcCune :O
bookmarked the page
good to see that as soon as I wake up
@M'vy metaformin?
Metformin
BTW, congratz @MarkBuffalo for making it into the room description
@MarkBuffalo derp
13:39
@SEJPM I don't think that's something to be congratulated over
luls
1 hour ago, by M'vy
Meldonium
oh, that's not a diabetes drug
I thought I'd read that it was an angina drug
yeah, it's a cardiovascular drug
well you know journalists
they can't be trusted
13:54
@JourneymanGeek Huh. This never occurred to me in so many words, but of course you are extremely right. Perhaps that is why it is a worthy challenge for me.
nad yes, of course we have a theme tune. Don't you hum it all the time??
14:09
@AviD to the tune of the animaniacs theme
@JourneymanGeek iiiit's time for animaniacs, and we're zany to the max
@JourneymanGeek really? thats weird. I thought it was more like this:
A-Team is the nickname of my pony.
....
@Simon you amuse me
14:12
@AviD You did not censure anything, that was pure abuse.
-.-
@Simon why, yes. When you make statements like that, you are welcoming the abuse.
To be clear, I am not done yet.
@AviD Fairly sure that's not how it works.
hmm no that ones not good
The last programming book you'll ever need https://t.co/cnObD8GYGZ
14:14
@Simon you dont know how much I am restrainning my self from comments on your nickname post....
@Simon pretty sure it is.
Are you the one who says it's the girl's fault when bad things happen to her because of her clothing?
Because that's pretty much what you just said.
@Simon not even close.
This is more like "the guy that did bad things to the girl, should go to prison and have the bad things done to him".
@AviD karma?
14:15
make your mind up tigger
@RоryMcCune I ran out of ideas. And it was running up off the screen, didnt want to have to scroll up.
hmm @JourneymanGeek, I'm thinking that we should replace the SE Mod theme song with this one:
Lame.
nah, its too subtle, not as memorable.
That would describe most mods so I guess that's fine.
mod_rekt
heh
14:18
^^ google hired moot of 4chan fame
(that's a mashable link)
4chan is a website i well never visit as i disagree with things i have heard of its content...
@Ohnana um
he's going to fix google+
@Ohnana Impossibru.
@Ohnana sounds like frankenstein 2 son of frankenstien
14:21
personally, i'm just chuffed that moot has a real job at fucking google
@Ohnana how come?
@Ohnana I assumed that was a joke.
@silverpenguin the dude's famous for running a site whose biggest problem is the users posting cp and being a scourge on the internet
@AviD \o/
@Ohnana thats why i will never visit 4chan for this deplorable reason
14:25
@Ohnana not sure thats their biggest problem, but that is reason enough for Google to never hire him, for anything.
@AviD yea but they fuckin did
except maybe to star in that show from Idiocracy.
You may have seen the news (http://goo.gl/jgRlYW) from @moot. Thrilled he's joining the team! Welcome Chris!
?!??!?!
@Ohnana I saw that before
never returned to 4chan again
i used to lurk 4chan hardcore
after the janitors started cleaning up the place
but still, i'm not sure if i borked my brain or what
14:28
it was my first time ever going to 4chan
and my last
@MarkBuffalo never been on it... refused to go on it
14:45
@JourneymanGeek sometimes we do have to go with something even more classic - like this:
sometimes this is more appropriate.
15:01
@MarkBuffalo I have followed links to funny things there previously - and my brain totally fails to see how anything works there. Never saw anything bad (if we exclude scurrilous pics of ladies with minimal clothing) but also never figured out how to use it so I gave up. Seemed like the worst possible example of usability for a social media site.
And Google have hired him???
To fix Google+????
@RoryAlsop Well, he has a loyal following, so could potentially bring vast numbers of people. Many of them are fairly scummy, but still...
4chan has always seemed like a hive of scum and villany to me
the odd time I got linked there it had stuff that even made me wince
basically yea
and I'm fairly hardened to Internet smeggery
eff.org/deeplinks/2016/03/… <--lets encrypt up to one million certificates..
15:19
encrypt the planet!
@RoryAlsop Like reddit? d:
@RоryMcCune same
@Adi Yes all of those things means something to me
Why?
@DavidFreitag Brag about it.
@Simon Just because they mean something doesn't mean I've ever actually done all of those things.
15:34
And he's bragging again.
Sigh.
If self-flagellation is a form of bragging, then I'm da bess
those words mean things to me as well
and I'm not anywhere near david's level
In other news NXP just released a nifty new NFC controller: digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=OM5577&v=568
Unfortunately it's BGA
Also, VLK released a new FIS controller, but it's UDU
Y'all got any more of those acronyms?
15:42
@Simon Well, don't know about David, but I created mine by randomly hitting the keyboard...
@Matthew Ok that makes me feel better, phew.
I just bought some crypto books
:X
It's time to get on @ThomasPornin's level... I'll need to wait a few decades, but still.
@MarkBuffalo Less talking, more reading.
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@ThomasPornin heh heh heh
less plsing more yoloing
15:45
:]
@Matthew wat
5 mins ago, by Matthew
@Simon Well, don't know about David, but I created mine by randomly hitting the keyboard...
@MarkBuffalo what books? I got a book the other day: amazon.co.uk/Hacking-The-Exploitation-Jon-Erickson/dp/… bit old but should be a good read
Hacking Secret Ciphers with Python
Beginner's guide to crypto and python
violent python
black hat python, etc
Adi
Adi
5 hours ago, by Adi
I'm trying to see David's thoughts on these things since there are some employment opportunities in these areas.
15:54
@MarkBuffalo I have violent python and black hat python
@silverpenguin Any good?
still have not read them though its hard to find time
@MarkBuffalo the black hat one i read some of... not to bad, though cant really eval
I figure the first book will go decently with the crypto course I'm taking
im still trying to work my way through the hackers play book .... crypto course? thats cool, I just finished my japanese course and im currently on my teacher trainning course... there are no night time courses in my area for computing so i decided to become a teacher at a school at night times to teach programming :P
yeah, japanese sounds fun
15:58
@MarkBuffalo are you learning to crack or to create?
both
I'm also gonna get the book @ThomasPornin recommended
I have quite a good book collection... still mint...as if never been read cough
Hacking Secret Ciphers with Python: A beginner's guide to cryptography and computer programming with Python
that's it
yea i have this one as well bought them as a set of 3... i will read them one day i just find it difficult to study so much and work... which is why i want to get a job in security so i can develop as a work :3 (maybe i am just a dreamer)
Unless you get really lucky, you're gonna have to know quite a bit about security to get a job as, let's say, a pen tester.
16:06
@Simon well in the UK quite a few co's hire grads/trainees
so the bar is a little lower
but you do still need to know some stuff to get in at that level
Ah, that's why there are so many people in the UK involved in pen testing, you can suck and they'll hire you anyway.
UK_rekt
@Simon Yea i know :< i know a fair amount! just its patchy.. Im a developer with a networking degree, that normally makes peoples eyes fill up with dollar signs $_$
@Simon pls. BTW are you going to CanSecWest?
@Adi Oh, yeah. I have quite a lot of exposure to making microcontrollers misbehave, but almost none with JTAG manipulation and firmware dumping
@RоryMcCune wadafuk is dat
VANCOUVER?!?
16:08
good security conf.
I don't really want to go to a third world province.
@Simon too many steps up, eh?
pls
@RоryMcCune Wow some interesting stuff going on there
I'll go to the one in Montréal and meet da bear at the same time.
I'll be like "u wot m8"
16:10
@DavidFreitag yeah they have cool talks, there's a dude doing one on docker/VM breakout that I'd like to see
@Simon I can hack wep I am l33t h4xx0r
so fingers crossed they'll make slides/vids available afterwards
My fear is that if I ever meet the bear in person I won't be able to understand him through his thick accent
> Applied Physical Attacks on x86 Systems
Sounds pretty cool ^
Also the ARM exploit lab
that all sounds so interesting
if i wasnt dirt poor i would go to that
> Complementary Hi-Band in room Internet (4Mbps, Regular price additional $18.95 per night)
LOLOLOLOLOL
16:12
@DavidFreitag Welcome to Canaduh you jerk.
anyone want to sponsor an englishman to go to a conference?
@Simon no that's pretty much standard Hotel nonsense
@silverpenguin pls if you want to go to conf's you have B-Sides London, B-Sides Manchester, 44Con
how can it be complementary with a price
16:13
@kalina That's the price it would be
oic
> Complementary Bottled water within guestrooms for the duration of the conference (Valued at $10 per day)
lolwut
are these canadian dollars or is that water expensive
See, told ya it was a third world province.
@RоryMcCune is it expensive?
16:14
@kalina Canadihuean dollarydoo's
@silverpenguin BSides is free
@silverpenguin YOU DRIVE A Z3 YOU CHEAP ASS.
@kalina Hotel water is expensive. They have to produce it in a single spring in Antarctica
@Simon Im cheap ok!
@silverpenguin Yeah well some of us are actually poor
@DavidFreitag I did not know! I shall be favouriting this page
16:15
@silverpenguin Do you pay for the dinner on a first date?
@Simon always, she can have anything off the pound saver menu and mcdonalds
im a stand up guy
Figured.
@silverpenguin "The pound saver" huehuehue
@silverpenguin B-sides confs are free (but london tickets are sold out) so you need to get in early when the tickets go up. 44con ain't free but not hugely expensive (compared to blackhat etc)
@silverpenguin there's also steelcon
if you're near Sheffield
@RоryMcCune pls everywhere in the UK is within walking distance
16:16
@DavidFreitag So is everywhere in the US!
@RоryMcCune im actually in buckinghamshire! but i am willing to travel for events, im going to have to do some more research on these things it appears
@Matthew Not really
@DavidFreitag I read "A Walk in the Woods". If you can walk 2000 miles, you can walk anywhere!
@Matthew they drive to front doors in the US
@silverpenguin if you follow the right people on twitter, you can usually find the confs. twitter.com/cyberdotuk has a good list of UK confs
16:18
@Matthew That's a pretty big if
that should be getting updated
@Matthew are you sure? my dad drove for 18 hrs straight to get home after 9-11
@RоryMcCune thanks for the info i appreciate it
@RоryMcCune for some reason twitter.com/buttdotuk isn't a valid link for me.
@DavidFreitag tumble weed
16:19
@Ohnana It might take an impractically long time, but that's the case in the UK too...
@DavidFreitag .....
@silverpenguin np, I've been around the UK conf. scene for a while, so tend to know which ones are happen'.. it's nice these days that there are good conf's 5+ years ago there were hardly any
@Ohnana Well that's the link that he pasted according to my screen.
@Matthew well shit if that's the case i can walk to the fuckin falklands
@DavidFreitag Have you every used the FTP client Buttduck?
16:20
@RоryMcCune as i said before i am trying to get into the scene, though my knowledge is patchy. I am serious about it but as a full time dev who is married to the job its kind of hard to change course. I have always loved security but there were no courses as my choice of uni so i just did networking as a premptive
@Ohnana Yeah, you can walk to the car, then walk from the car to the airport terminal, walk around on the plane, and walk to a taxi.
@Matthew Oooh yeah I love buttduck
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Q: what type of internal memory do most digital cameras use? (not talking about SD cards or other removable storage)

Rolly AponteI am looking into something for work and I need to know what type of flash-memory storage is most common in digital cameras so we can look into how to properly eradicate all of the data on the cameras's internal storage. I understand that there is more than likely not just one type of flash-memor...

This seems a bit specialist...
@Matthew Yeah that's probably better off on EE.SE
@Matthew I just read this one, its more of a question related to storage rather than security
If they are anything like PC manufacturers, they might vary between batches, even
16:30
@Matthew Nope it will just be a standard NAND flash chip like you find in an SSD or in a USB thumb drive
some of the really cheapo ones might use an eMMC though
Don't forget about the IAD one.
wot
wet
16:31
@DavidFreitag Do they all operate in exactly the same way internally? Or do Samsung chips behave differently from Texas chips internally?
@Simon ( ͡◉ ͜ ʖ ͡◉)
^_^
@Matthew TI doesn't made storage chips AFAIK...
Otherwise, no. NAND flash is NAND flash. The internals might be different (ex 3D lattice arrays or something) but the actual interface as far as a CPU sees it will be no different.
(\__/)
(^.^)
0(")(")0
Also, eMMC is the same as an SD card, it's just soldered on instead of in a connector
16:34
@DavidFreitag I'm going to guess that if someone wants to know about the internal types of storage, they probably want to know the internal details, or that they are way out of their depth. One of the two..
@Matthew I highly doubt this person has any concept of the internals of NAND flash. Or even what a "NAND flash" even is.
@DavidFreitag True... They can probably solve the issue of "secure wipe" by sticking any cameras used through a hard drive crusher...
You're a secure wipe.
@Matthew Securely wiping a NAND flash device connected to a modern CPU or storage controller is nearly impossible without physically destroying it.
I'm not too sure about any of the MMC derivatives, but I'd suspect it's also not do-able
@DavidFreitag Don't know what hard drive crushers you've been using, which aren't physically destroying things!
16:40
Hello Everyone
I have a question about editing questions and wondered if this was the correct place to ask.
@AstroDan You can try
@AstroDan I think it's probably close enough to the correct place
@AstroDan Can't promise you'll get a sensible answer
Basically I was wondering if you can flag edits for review.
@Matthew What I mean is that it's going to be impossible without using a drive crusher
16:42
@AstroDan They should be reviewed anyway, unless they're carried out by a person with sufficient rank
@Matthew I know. A question that I answered has been edited by a fairly high rep user (~8k). I think that the edit has changed what was asked and should have been an answer. I am fairly new and was unsure what to do. My Answer was right before but now is wrong.
@Matthew Yeah suggested reviews get placed in the queue where people like @Ohnana blindly accept them
@AstroDan Paste a link here and ping the mods etc. we'll get it sorted
The third edit seems a little off, but I am unsure.
@DavidFreitag looool
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Q: Beside gifar are there any other known "combined" files?

ForguesRGifar: Graphics Interchange Format Java Archives (GIFAR) is malware that allows an attacker to piggyback off the victim’s HTTP cookies. A GIFAR is a photo that can "borrow" a victim's online credentials, possibly taking over the web user's session. GIFAR is a Graphics Interchange F...

16:47
@AstroDan Yeah that's a little sketchy
Yeah, agreed
Shame on @@NeilSmithline
That user drives me insane...
Now I am getting downvotes, which I do not like.
@AviD @RoryAlsop Wanna take a look please? security.stackexchange.com/posts/116819/revisions
Oh, and I suppose @schroeder too ^
16:48
@DavidFreitag You ping literally the worst mod here first?
plssssssssssssssssssssss
@Simon Alphabetical order
@Simon
@DavidFreitag not a fan of our 4th mod then ?
@RоryMcCune There is a fourth mod?
@DavidFreitag Okay, fine.
@DavidFreitag Jeff.
16:49
Oh shit
Isn't there a secret @mods command to summon all our mods from their slumber...
@DavidFreitag oooh #Jefff-rekt
Hahahahaha sorry @JeffFerland :P
@Matthew Ya, click the little arrow on a post => flag.
@RоryMcCune He isn't in here very often so I always forget
16:49
@Simon There is no such thing as a "Worst Mod". All mods are awesome.
@AstroDan Oh you haven't met ovid yet, son.
@Simon That doesn't bring our mods. That brings the zerg rush...
@Matthew You did ask for mods in general.
@Simon True...
There
You made my post irrelevant now!
16:51
Quick, edit history!
Ain't nobody got time fo dat.
@Simon hardly the first time that's happened to you :op
@Simon Your face is irrelevant
sandwich'd_pls
So much nostalgia
16:53
@Simon Anyone willing to give up there time to manage this site, which often seems to be comprised of psychotic kinder-gardeners, is by definition awesome.
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@AstroDan nah they dont let me touch the buttons
@AstroDan You falsely presume that all mods do this.
Ok, I will give you that.
I just spent 5 minutes trying to write a well formed suggestion to an answer poster. I think i deserve a cookie. didn't delete or edit his answer but allowing him to do it him self... because im a humanatee
@AstroDan Not to imply in any way that @AviD is one of those
16:57
It's ok dovid, we know.
@silverpenguin See you could have done something productive with that time. Like bashed your face into a wall.
LUNCH
@DavidFreitag brutal :<
@DavidFreitag the fuk u say
@Ohnana huehuehue
@Ohnana U WOT M8
i do reject edits
16:58
@Ohnana sarcasm
@AstroDan a rollback is always an option
actually, yeah i really want to roll that back
it doesn't add anything except someone flexing their brain
@Ohnana I dislike edit wars. Plus I have far less rep then he does.
any opposed?
@Ohnana I had to reject an edit the other day because someone decided to paste a whole paragraph of something in from somewhere which held technically content but felt random
@AstroDan i have enough rep for a permanent edit and if there's an edit war, i can get a mod to step in
17:00
@Ohnana Plus he stole it from the comments.
rollbacks exist for a reason
@Ohnana Brag about it.
@Ohnana do we get to be the jury e_e ?
@silverpenguin I AM DA LAW.
@Ohnana I'm in favour of a rollback
17:00
actually hang on
@Ohnana GUILTY throw him in the stocks and throw skittles at them
i feex
incorporating comments from someone who isn't OP is a bit weird
@Ohnana Exactly
kinda rude in ways /\
What is this room?
17:02
@AstroDan we're nominally part of Security.stackexchange.com
@AstroDan have you ever been to a zoo run by clowns and such?
this is not one of those places
@silverpenguin many time, It was called college.
Jan 28 at 18:29, by Ohnana
@AGZuniverse yes, except it's about 30% site meta, 20% security, and 50% goofing off
Adi
Adi
@RоryMcCune I was just offered a free ticket
Contemplating...
Feb 2 at 1:03, by Ohnana
welcome to the DMZ, there is no topic and no one can hear you scream
Interesting, and anyone can join in on the fun?
Adi
Adi
@AstroDan As long as you're not annoying, you're more than welcome
@AstroDan and if you are really annoying just do what i do and stay anyway
@AstroDan NO! we are an exclusive club meeting in a public chat room because reasons
;)
@AstroDan As long as you're prepared for the room to sometimes descend into smut, insult throwing, and sometimes funky timeout animations
17:05
@AstroDan also you must be prepared to insult @Simon 's mother... im not at this level yet but I know one day i will
LOL
Ok, @Simon <Insert your mom joke here>
he is natural
ffs
@Simon erm D: i was framed @Matthew framed me
D:
As @Simon is well aware, I have never insulted his mother - I'm sure she's lovely, if a little difficult to get on with sometimes, but who isn't, truthfully?
17:11
Soon I'm gonna have to call the pls police if none of you stop.
@DavidFreitag Hey guys - It seemed a clarifying edit to me - feel free to undo it if you think it was a too much.
@Simon Not the plc?
@Matthew Do I look like someone who wants to automate the police?
@NeilSmithline i did a rollback on it -- it was best as a comment me thinks
Curiously, I have noticed that my laptop is loaded with msmpeng.exe. Internet says that this is a Windows Defender and I can turn it off. I dediced to do that but Windows Defender says that it is off and another program is managing spyware. How is that?
17:16
@ValentinTihomirov 1) windows sucks 2) we don't do support here
:)
you might have luck on super user, as they are all very good at fixing things
:) I like strightforward people!
just doin my job
also who can resist making fun of windows?
Who needs Windows and Gates in the world without doors and fences?
@ValentinTihomirov I hear installing linux over windows gets rid of that issue no problem :D
@ValentinTihomirov I don't know off the top of my head, but it may be like the Windows Firewall Service, where the service runs even if the Windows Firewall is turned off in favor of a third-party HBFW. You can always check the properties of the exe to verify a) what it claims to be and b) that it's signed by Microsoft.
@ValentinTihomirov You can also use autoruns to figure out how it's starting up, and that may give you clues as to why.
17:52
@Ohnana thx!
Woo 200GB of unused VMs
@DavidFreitag Ouch

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