The DMZ

kalina

16:00

bored now

#dmzIsBoring

M'vy

Well

kalina

Well

Rоry McCune

@kalina soz was driving

M'vy

you're the one quoting stuff from boring ppl

kalina

those boring ppl I'm quoting are less boring than some of the people in here

M'vy

16:02

That might be true indeed

Rоry McCune

This afternoon I am mostly in Dundee

kalina

fine I'll go find something productive to do

Rоry McCune

for Securi-Tay V securi-tay.co.uk

kalina

rather than sitting here

Rоry McCune

@kalina chatting

kalina

16:03

watching the time tick away

Rоry McCune

@kalina tick tock tick tock tick tock...

M'vy

goes the clock

Rоry McCune

I'm actually being IRL sociable for a change over the next couple of days

Simon

@RоryMcCune That sounds awful.

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune neat!

Rоry McCune

16:04

@Simon yeah I know, I actually have to walk places and talk to people

Rory Alsop

Still hoping to see you Saturday, Rory

Lighty

@Simon ;)

AviD

@RoraΖ @Iszi Duuuuu UUUUDE DT just released a new album ONE MONTH AGO???!!?

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop indeed, depending on when you get up we could perhaps grab a hot beverage before the conf. they're not exactly starting early on the Saturday...

AviD

The Astonishing

The Astonishing is the thirteenth studio album and second concept album by American progressive metal band Dream Theater, released as a double album on January 29, 2016 through Roadrunner Records. The album's story was conceived by guitarist John Petrucci and its music was written by Petrucci and keyboardist Jordan Rudess. Composer David Campbell was hired to assist with orchestrating the album's string lines and choirs. Recording was completed throughout 2015 at Cove City Sound Studios in Long Island, New York, with the exception of vocals, which were recorded in Canada. Mixing and sound engineering...

weird. the lineup has changed a bit.

Rory Alsop

16:07

@RоryMcCune lets do that. Assuming travel up from London tomorrow night is good, I'll be up early doors

AviD

I am ~~old~~ out of date.

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Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop cool :)

I'm not planning to overindulge at the conf. party, even though it is Cisco's money I'll be spending at the bar

AviD

should I be upset or happy that the entire album is already online?

Simon

@Lighty Don't you even dare to try to get some of my vampire-white ass.

Lighty

@Simon Or else? :P

Thomas Pornin

16:13

@diagprov Technically C was designed to just work on a specific machine. It has been, later on, used a lot as if it was a portable assembler.

Then the C standardisation committee did a lot of talking to agree on what they meant by "portable" and it turned out not to be the same thing that what most developers instinctively expect.

AviD

see: Java.

kalina

@RоryMcCune a hot beverage? I thought you people lived on whiskey, you don't heat up whiskey do you?

Rоry McCune

@kalina well there is the hot toddy which features whisky... At the moment I'm drinking Fruit Tea though (doing a clean diet thing, with which I'm going to struggle a bit whilst at a conf...)

kalina

clean diet for the win

AviD

@RоryMcCune just saw that one recently, the wife really wants me to start drinking that.

So I can have it while she has her tea.

Rоry McCune

16:20

@AviD yeah I don't think I've ever had one.. They're a good traditional cold "remedy" though

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune alcohol is a disinfectant, that's totally clean

AviD

@RоryMcCune I think you also need the right whisky for that. Most of my collection is too smokey to have a good effect.

Rоry McCune

@AviD sounds like a reason/excuse to but some more whisky's!

AviD

hehe possibly... buy some cheap "cooking" whisky?

for hot toddies, brownies, and that whisky ice cream recipe I've wanted to try...

kalina

@Ohnana spoken like a true alcoholic

AviD

16:23

hey @RoryAlsop - re that https meta post - its a good dupe, but it is also out of date. think we should write a canonical updated answer? i.e. just use it your damn self...

Ohnana

@kalina what? i do not partake

kalina

perhaps not, but that's the sort of nonsense you'd hear from an alcoholic :p

"wine is good, without it, everybody else suffers"

Iszi

Oh, snap. I missed a "your mom" from The Bear? Man, why do I ever leave this place?

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kalina

there are so many answers to that question

let's go with "life"

"busy"

"working"

"eating"

"out"

"sexing"

"gaming"

"inging"

"school"

"travelling"

"shopping"

Simon

"pretending to be a DJ/producer"

TildalWave

16:28

@kalina sexing? like determining if a chick is a hen or a cock?

Rоry McCune

@kalina what's "inging"?

kalina

@RоryMcCune "all other things with ing"

@TildalWave er, no?

Rоry McCune

@kalina ahh I C

TildalWave

@kalina there's another word ending with -ing for what you probably meant

kalina

@TildalWave I don't really see fucking and having sex as exactly the same thing

TildalWave

16:30

enjoying :P

Iszi

@TildalWave Hahaha. You said "hen".

kalina

dammit

TildalWave

@Iszi yes, a female bird

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin And now a C compiler is a hostile lawyer that looks for any loophole it can use to misinterpret your problem.

TildalWave

is there another word for it?

Iszi

16:31

@TildalWave Damn you Internet. I can't tell if he really doesn't get it, or is actually playing along.

TildalWave

@Iszi as far as you know I might be a fridge :P

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave or, in certain parts of the world, a generic word for a female person

Iszi

@TildalWave Or a dog.

Or a dog in a fridge.

Like a Saint Bernard or something.

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos To be fair, they don't do it on purpose. It is a natural byproduct of better flow analysis and constraint propagation.

Iszi

That'd be a pretty big fridge though.

TildalWave

16:32

@Iszi to chill the rum?

Iszi

@TildalWave Well, why else?

TildalWave

while googling to what temperature?

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin Defining nearly everything as undefined behaviour is a deliberate choice.

kalina

how did we get from inging to c compiler

TildalWave

compiling

kalina

16:34

interesting

Iszi

@kalina I thought we started with @ThomasPornin and @Simon's mom?

Ohnana

goddamn it pornin, stop being a good influence

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Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos Yes, but not a decision from compiler developers. This is a decision of standardisation committees (and is the result of a long-winded negotiation).

CodesInChaos

One of my favourite examples is that multiplying two unsigned 32 bit integers (uint32_t) can be incur undefined behaviour when sizeof(int) == 64.

kalina

@Iszi no I wouldn't have been having that discussion

Iszi

16:37

@ThomasPornin Damn. I tried to google for a good Star Wars Episode 1 image to go along with "negotiations". Wanted a screenshot from the movie. Top results were like 80% Lego Star Wars.

TildalWave

@CodesInChaos because int64 is signed?

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos Also, (long)-1 < (unsigned)1 is true or false, depending on the architecture.

@TildalWave If int is longer than 32 bits, then uint32_t operands will get promoted to int before the operation, and the product may exceed the range of the values representable in an int, which triggers an undefined behaviour.

Iszi

@kalina Why, 'cause referring to yourself in the third person is weird?

Thomas Pornin

Mutatis mutandi, the kind of undefined behaviour that turned an Ariane 5 rocket into a mud detector.

kalina

@Iszi I don't find this implication funny, btw

CodesInChaos

16:39

@TildalWave Because it implicitly promotes operands to signed int if they're smaller. Since signed integer overflow is UB and the product of the maximal 32 bit values is bigger than the biggest signed 64 value you can get UB even if you multiply unsigned values.

Iszi

@kalina I thought it was pre-established?

kalina

nope

Iszi

Pretty sure you gotta blame @AviD for that one.

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos Fortunately, architectures with int longer than 32 bits are rare.

TildalWave

@CodesInChaos you were ninja'ed by the bear :)

kalina

16:40

I don't really care who started it, I'd rather it stopped

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin you still have the same problem with uint16_t

TildalWave

also, yeah ... C sucks

it's a trap :D

AviD

@Iszi I dont get it.

kalina

we don't get on, I'd rather not have him bought up randomly every other sentence with some nonsensical implication

Iszi

@kalina Well, I'd suggest some sort of maternity verification by @ScottPack. But you'd have to hope it carries more weight than his gender verification services.

TildalWave

16:41

let's go back to Forth :))

CodesInChaos

IMO C becoming popular was one of the biggest mistakes in the history of programming.

AviD

@kalina wat?? since when dont we get on?

kalina

@Iszi so you're going to ignore my requests to stop?

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos There is a famous essay about that.

kalina

I have a solution for that

AviD

16:42

sure, you get mad at me once in a while, that doesnt mean we dont get on.

TildalWave

@CodesInChaos Yeah OK I agree but who to blame?

Thomas Pornin

jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html

CodesInChaos

Pascal is even older than C, has pretty much all the same features and is much less insane.

Iszi

@kalina Not so much ignore, as probably just forget. That has little to do with intent either way though.

Thomas Pornin

The "Worse is Better" essay.

AviD

16:42

Unless.... ohhh, @kalina is cutting me out because she's started to have feelings for me. Yup, that must be it, its the only explanation.

TildalWave

@CodesInChaos damn you man, this is now you second warning that I agree with you. One more and we'll have to get married!!

Iszi

@AviD Yeah, it was kinda something like that which eventually led to implications of @kalina being @Simon's mom awhile back.

TildalWave

stop being so damn agreeable!

AviD

@Iszi huh?

kalina

well I'm not having fun anymore, so let's just drop it

Thomas Pornin

16:44

@TildalWave A cross-breed of C, C# and Forth might be a good idea. Or not.

AviD

@TildalWave because that is what everybody looks for in a marital partner, agreeableness. Most important thing.

CodesInChaos

I used Delphi until I switched to C# a few years ago.

Iszi

@AviD Start here, and follow down about a half-dozen messages or so.

Aug 13 '15 at 20:42, by schroeder

a love-child of @Iszi and @Flyk .... shudder

TildalWave

@AviD I agree with ... "your bank statement", "your friends of which you have none",... yes, it is important

@ThomasPornin you mean like Object Pascal? :D

AviD

@Iszi ancient history, man. Do I look like a digital archeologist?

Thomas Pornin

16:46

@TildalWave That might be the "not" part...

AviD

@TildalWave wat

Iszi

@AviD Why do you think I had to dig it up for you?

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin I think modern versions of Delphi are like C#, minus GC and QA.

Thomas Pornin

For "portable assembly" jobs, I want something which would be a more reliable C (less UB, better control on integer sizes, defined memory layout...) with support for returning several values from a function, and for tail calls.

Also with an extensible syntax with the language itself, because C preprocessor sucks.

Thus, a Forth that has C# types and a separate compilation phase.

For higher-level jobs, I really want a GC.

Simon

@Iszi ...wat

@Iszi o

kalina

16:53

way to kill chat @ThomasPornin, ironic you were talking about garbage collection

Iszi

@kalina That's what happens when people try to actually talk shop in here, duh. Someone needs to re-fix the topic list, for content and priority order.

AviD

@Iszi order is always alphabetic.

Iszi

@AviD Nowai. I thought we had some say. Or was it just coincidental that the order used to actually reflect the priority?

AviD

#2

Rоry McCune

@Iszi yeah whenever I set them I don't place an order, it just sorts itself out AFAICR

Simon

17:02

We need ween at the end.

Iszi

@Simon Shouldn't you be talking to a urologist about that?

Simon

wot

Iszi

@Simon I guess maybe a proctologist? I suppose it depends on how you want it.

Simon

proctowat

Matthew

17:23

I quoted Douglas Adams, in context...

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A: Is possible for a vulnerability search engine to detect the ipv6 adresses?

Sort of. The IPv6 range is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space the IPv6 range. (with apologies to Douglas Adams) There are 340,282,366,920,938,4...

Iszi

@Matthew You could still keep "space" without the strike: "...peanuts compared to the address space in IPv6."

Matthew

@Iszi I thought that maybe it would drive home that it was a quote better with the strike :-)

TildalWave

@Matthew welcome to the club :)

Iszi

> it would take you 10,790,283,070,806,013,952 millenia to scan the full range. Multiply by 1000 for the number of years.

s/Multiply/Divide/

Sidney

I realize what I'm asking for, but what would be a good crypto algorithm to study for someone without a strong Cthulian math background?

diagprov

17:28

@ThomasPornin All very true. I also agree that it is hostile and a better language is needed, even for "native" jobs that C currently does.

Matthew

@Iszi No, multiply - more years than millenia

TildalWave

@Iszi nope

Iszi

@Matthew Oh, right. Duh.

I are dumb today.

TildalWave

BTW that's 781961234206 times the age of the Universe

CodesInChaos

@Sidney What do you mean by study?

diagprov

17:30

Being into Mathematics I have a slight fixation with functional programming. Haskell compiles to machine code ;)

Sidney

@CodesInChaos Well, I'd like to poke through an implimentation to see how it works essentially, but the math behind crypto is... Y'know... Scary

Iszi

@TildalWave And still not even close to @RoryAlsop's age.

CodesInChaos

For symmetric crypto understanding why it works is usually trivial. But understanding why it's secure very hard.

Ohnana

@Sidney would a programming language library implementation be a good candidate for study?

CodesInChaos

For asymmetric crypto you first need to learn some math, in particular about groups and finite fields and similar number theory.

TildalWave

17:34

@CodesInChaos or, let's be precise, s/very hard/impossible

CodesInChaos

@TildalWave You can at least understand why it's secure against certain classes of attacks (e.g. differential cryptoanalysis)

But even that's beyond my knowledge.

TildalWave

yes, but knowing how secure it is means exhausting an infinite space of possibilities

Iszi

In other words, @diagprov: ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Sidney

I suppose that's why it's called Cthulu-Math. I got a textbook on security algorithms, but it didn't give any code examples, and one of it's favorite phrases was "Beyond the scope of this book"

TildalWave

or, requiring proof of nonexistence of something ... which is much the same thing

CodesInChaos

17:38

You can look at relatively simple algorithms like TEA or Blowfish, but you won't fully understand why they're secure.

TildalWave

well even with OTP (P = pad) it gets really tricky because of how difficult it is to prove true randomness

CodesInChaos

What you can learn without a lots of math is how to build higher level schemes and protocols from a primitive like a blockcipher or diffie-hellman.

Understanding what properties a block cipher is supposed to provide isn't hard.

Then you can learn about modes of operations, which security properties they provide and why.

TildalWave

yeah that's "just" discrete structures

CodesInChaos

Protocol design isn't harder than programming per-se. The only big problem is that you can't test security, so you won't notice if you fuck up.

Sidney

Well, I certainly know to never try using my own security in something mission critical, but it would still be interesting to look into. Wikipedia, here I come!

Thomas Pornin

17:59

@Sidney My usual recommendation is to start with hash functions, specifically MD5, SHA-1 and the SHA-2 family. Well-written and short standards, easy to implement.

@CodesInChaos By the way, did you followed the competition on AEAD modes ?

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin Not really. I only looked at a few papers (NORX and AEZ) and heard people complain about unexplained delays.

Simon

@ThomasPornin You went full on French in this sentence.

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos I don't know why people still complain about that. All crypto competitions are always late. Thus, all delays are explained: there is a delay because it is a crypto competition.

CodesInChaos

Ironically the password hashing competition didn't have too much of a delay, despite being the competition which would have benefited most from more time.

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos It had a very short schedule as well.

Usually these things take 3 or 4 years.

CodesInChaos

18:12

Personally I think the main benefit of the password hashing competition was inspiring research into that field, not which algorithm is chose as winner.

Thomas Pornin

I totally agree.

Mark Buffalo

amazon.com/Disney-Convertible-Seat-Mouseketeer-Minnie/dp/…

Thomas Pornin

But I feel that the research is still a bit missing the point -- it is talking about engineering, but not about economics.

Mark Buffalo

I see "APT" and think this is a backdoor to my vehicle

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo It is called a "trunk".

Mark Buffalo

18:15

THIS CAR SEAT IS AN ADVANCED PERSISTENT THREAT

Simon

@ThomasPornin lulz you donut.

If my Amazon starts suggesting me car seats, I will hunt you down.

Mark Buffalo

I hate all the acronyms people come up with in the cyber security field

"APT" instead of "trojan"

@Simon It's too late. The donut is ready.

Simon

@MarkBuffalo I'm far from ready; I'm not sure if I'll ever be and she's actually farther than I am.

Soooooo, nope.

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo Honestly, "trojan" is already quite a stretch.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin Why? It's pretty much the perfect definition for a trojan, imho.

Thomas Pornin

18:18

Notably because the Trojan Horse was not trojan (and not a horse either).

Mark Buffalo

you open something thinking it's legit, but it lets a bunch of little men inside your servers

Come to think of it... that sounds like how babies come to be*

Simon

@ThomasPornin Stop doubting history, that's what we've been taught, that's what happened.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon In the Odyssey, the Trojans are the victims. The horse is achaean.

Mark Buffalo

Trojan Horse

The Trojan Horse is a tale from the Trojan War about the subterfuge that the Greeks used to enter the city of Troy and win the war. In the canonical version, after a fruitless 10-year siege, the Greeks constructed a huge wooden horse, and hid a select force of men inside. The Greeks pretended to sail away, and the Trojans pulled the horse into their city as a victory trophy. That night the Greek force crept out of the horse and opened the gates for the rest of the Greek army, which had sailed back under cover of night. The Greeks entered and destroyed the city of Troy, decisively ending the war...

Thomas Pornin

It should be named the Achaean Horse.

diagprov

18:20

@ThomasPornin I followed it a bit early on, but I've sort of lost track. It seemed like many of the early submissions were modified AES, essentially, although of course I heard a lot about NORX.

Simon

@ThomasPornin But it was given to the Trojan, therefore it was their horse.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Technically, from the Trojan point of view, it was an offering to Poseidon. They stole it.

Simon

So, they were supposed to dump it in the ocean?

What a waste.

Thomas Pornin

In the story, the Trojans saw the horse on the beach, instead of the Greeks, so they said: yay, the Greeks are gone, they left an offering to the gods, let's plunder it.

They thus were punished for their own sacrilegious greediness.

Simon

o

Thomas Pornin

18:24

And the "real" weakness is that they had to demolish the upper part of one of the city doors to let the horse in, because it was too tall. It had been predicted by some oracle that the city will hold until that specific door was destroyed.

That's the prime example of a security policy bypassed for a perceived immediate retribution.

Simon

What a bunch of donuts.

RoraΖ

@AviD Yeah dude! They've never stopped putting out music.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin You're a prime example of a security policy bypassed for a perceived immediate retribution

sorry. Simon has infected me

Simon

Looks like you have bigger balls than I do because I rarely dare to do that to him.

You even ping'd him.

Mark Buffalo

It's ok, I am not afraid of him.

@TomLeek on the other hand...

Simon

18:34

Last time he was in the chat, he was very disappointing.

RoraΖ

@Simon Just like your face

Thomas Pornin

@Simon You are very disappointing.

Mmh, did I do that correctly ?

RoraΖ

"Your face is very disappointing"

diagprov

Just need to call him a donut now.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin That was perfect.

Simon

18:36

@ThomasPornin Unfortunately, you did not. The contracted form of "you are" is encouraged. 8/10 for the effort though.

@MarkBuffalo YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT SHUT TOP

kalina

@MarkBuffalo ...

diagprov

You also have to spell the username wrong on purpose like Siman.

kalina

Simun

Simon

@diagprov Replacing a letter with "o" is always the rule of thumb, except in rare cases.

Like Markus is a rare case.

Mark Buffalo

<= Rare case

You should call me Morkus

diagprov

18:38

@Simon Like Somon? I think Kalinuh has probably found a better example though, u works better.

kalina

pls kalinuh

Simon

@diagprov Yeah, see, my name is hard to do it with an "o".

Simuh is not too bad.

simuuuuuuh

diagprov

So, @kalina is right, simun, simuh, something like that.

Simon

I don't know, I'd have to ponder on the matter.

diagprov

pls, simuh, we have mastered your grammar better than you.

Simon

18:39

:OOOOO

Mark Buffalo

@Simon pls Somin, we can substitute vowels

Simon

@MarkBuffalo That could work too but it'd be a new one so I'd have to get the council to approve it.

Mark Buffalo

The council of Soomin

we could even mix it up and call you Sonmi.

Sonmi-451.

kalina

let's not

Simon

That's a big stretch.

Mark Buffalo

18:44

@Simon You're a big stretch

kalina

...

RoraΖ

@Simon's mom is a big stretch

Simon

Markus, that was predictable and the point of these is that they must not be.

Mark Buffalo

@Simon You're predictable

Simon

At least the fake roro brought a new protagonist in it.

RoraΖ

18:44

His face is predictable

kalina

you're all fucking predictable

RoraΖ

Who's predictable?

kalina

srsface

Simon

Ghostbusters!

Ohnana

who applied floor() to the IQ function in here

RoraΖ

18:45

There's something strange

kalina

@Ohnana good question

I blame @MarkBuffalo

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana You're an IQ function

kalina

see

RoraΖ

in the neighborhood

Simon

@MarkBuffalo See, that wasn't even clever, look:

@Ohnana You're in here.

^ clever

Mark Buffalo

18:46

@Simon You aren't even clever

RoraΖ

who you gonna call?

Simon

@MarkBuffalo It doesn't work with a negation.

GHOSTBUSTERS!

Ohnana

k, i'm gonna go do other things bai

2

Mark Buffalo

@Simon You don't work with a negation

RoraΖ

I ain't afraid of no ghost

Mark Buffalo

18:47

k back to work

kalina

@Ohnana /sigh

Simon

It's not my fault, I was trying to teach Markus but it went wrong like a bad experiment in the movies.

Mark Buffalo

@Simon You're a bad experiment

Simon

Uncontrollable.

Iszi

19:19

@schroeder Nice cleanup, but the question's still off-topic.

0

Q: how to catch a packets from wifi that I am connected to ( or not connected to )?

I have wifi connection, and I want to use something like wireshark to catch all the packages that my wifi router is listening to. How can I do it? If i want to catch packets from the router that I could not connect to - is it possible ?

schroeder

@Iszi absolutely

I have to admit, I get a little OCD about ESL grammar and I feel the need to fix it

my wife teaches ESL, and I'm very used to it when interacting with her students

having someone edit their posts can really help them learn

Matthew

19:33

@Iszi And the user hasn't read the page they were pointed to...

Simon

@Matthew To be fair, I wouldn't read anything you'd link to me too, you're a real donut.

I KEED MATTHEW ILY BRO

Matthew

Simon

^_^

Matthew

I am disturbed at how many results there are in google images for "I love simon"...

Simon

@Matthew Mainstream name.

I assume you'd get a similar amount of results with your name.

Matthew

19:38

Hmm, true...

Simon

Actually, I have more: "i love simon": 131M, "i love matthew": 127M.

4M is not a lot though.

Matthew

Some of yours appear to be specifically Simon Cowell. This seems strange

Simon

He's quite a popular dude.

Crizly

Does anyone have any super hacky way to get around Netflix's VPN block?

Matthew

Yeah... I don't know why...

@Crizly Yes, but it involves quite a lot of expense, unless you have houses in all the locations you want to access Netflix from already... :-)

They're actually pretty good at detecting VPNs now

Thomas Pornin

19:42

@Crizly Rent a dedicated server in your target area, mount a VPN to it, and pray for Netflix not having declared that the whole range of IP allocated to the server host as "VPN".

Simon

Is that the only way of doing, blacklisting the IP?

Crizly

@Matthew damn, don't think I can afford a house ontop of the monthly subscription

Simon

There's nothing in the packets that can give away that the user is on a VPN?

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Mostly, yes. But detection of IP that serves as VPN can be easy.

Matthew

@Simon Depends on the setup, I think

Crizly

19:43

@ThomasPornin I have a shared server from Godaddy, can i do something with that?

Simon

o

Thomas Pornin

The packets that exit the VPN are the same as the ones which entered it, except for the source IP address.

That's the point of the VPN, really.

Simon

Good point.

Thomas Pornin

Now a VPN host can be detected by Netflix if it sees 10 simultaneous connections from the same source IP. Heavy IP sharing is suspicious.

Some ISP do that (because IPcalypse), so I suppose the Netflix people run things in only a semi-automated way.

The get alerts for suspected VPN, but do manual confirmation.

In the Nextflix model, there is never a good reason for a connection coming from an IP address that has been allocated to a company that hosts servers.

Simon

So setting a VPN on a VPS is probably the best way to defeat it.

@ThomasPornin Well, that'd be shitty.

I can't type, soz for da pings pornu.

Thomas Pornin

19:48

If you have a friend who lives in your target country, you might arrange for a relay on his home machine, but this will exercise his upload bandwidth, which may not be enough for live HD video.

Crizly

mhm i dont think i'd be able to get if i have to relay it

it just about manages as it is

Thomas Pornin

Personally I defeat Netflix by reading books instead of watching TV, but I agree that it is a bit of a radical move.

Simon

"a bit"

Crizly

I'll give that a go if TPB goes down

Simon

@Crizly That's another way to defeat it.

Crizly

19:49

^^

Simon

@ThomasPornin How's life at Desjardins so far?

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Rather quiet. I am redacting a guide to cryptographic usage, so it is mostly the same as writing answers in Sec.SE, except that I write in French and I get to use colours.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Nice, but you don't get to show to the world that you're awesome, unfortunately.

Only to some internal lads.

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