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16:00
@Iszi lmao
@Iszi dayum
@Simon Oh, hey. Here's someone who can tell us exactly how expensive it is.
I don't need lube, son.
@Simon O_O
wot
16:02
@Simon That's not what your mom says.
@Simon That usually indicates a... uhm. Yeah...
k
@MarkBuffalo WTF? I'm not clicking on that.
@Iszi Click it.
Don't worry, it's all censored.
Ugggggggggh, I saw this all the time
@MarkBuffalo still not clicking
fuuuuck that
Hey @Ohnana, when did you change your Gravatar? And where have I seen that?
16:09
@Iszi i changed it on a lark after @RоryMcCune called me an "octohipster"
it's the first google result
people who change their avatar are literally the worst kind of people
@kalina Please. I'm pretty sure I've seen at least three different ones on you. Nevermind your alias changes.
fkin_rekt
flyk was the worst name of all names ever made
@kalina yeah just like the ones that change their clothes, how dare they?
ahah
16:12
@TildalWave i do that too
or dye their hair
or shave
or just walk funny after a night out
....?
are we sharing life advice here?
LOL
neah, I'm just listing a couple of silly things that change people's appearance
erm, worst kind of people's appearance
@TildalWave reading the DMZ transcript
yeah I know
so what else has been cooking here?
I mean, being Friday and all
shit, it's not yet is it?
16:18
nope
No you donut.
Stop trying to get me excited.
ROFL
I honestly thought it's Friday
seems like one
Well, for your fidelity, we offer you a second friday tomorrow
16:29
@RоryMcCune Y'all got more of those SLOW SITES?
What a wall of text, I'm totally not reading that.
Who can read something that long?
@Simon pls it loads fine on my slow connection
@Simon TL;DR Apple has shitty software quality and it's getting worse
I thought they were nazi about the stuff that could be approved in the app store.
@Iszi pfff
@Simon not 3rd party software, the stuff they write themselves
@TildalWave er, not changing your clothes would be so icky
16:32
o
17:22
@SteveDL You mean your first comment in reply to OP?
If so, it seems perfectly fine... however, I think most operating systems can deny access to any keyboard through drivers, can't they?
@SteveDL depends, what's the other option? :D
@MarkBuffalo in Linux, you can create a script that only allows pre-defined USB devices to connect, using udev.
@ThoriumBR Yup, true
@Ohnana wut?
@schroeder - I'm afraid I'm not as forgiving as you regarding the Sun-Tzu rambling post. I deleted it
17:33
@RoryAlsop lol
=]
@RoryAlsop But he's profoundly gifted!
@MarkBuffalo hmmmm - that doesn't necessarily mean what he thinks it means.
Gifted in what respect?
He has probably been given a small ween.
I'm in Mensa - doesn't make me immensely clever
I dunno, he says he's profoundly gifted ;p
@RoryAlsop but they tried, right? :)
17:34
@TildalWave heh heh heh
Sometimes I ramble on... if I ramble, let me know. lol
@TildalWave Yeah but I think they ran out of money
Bring me back down to earth
@MarkBuffalo You're a ramblin' man
every way of testing some kind of intelligence just shows how good you are at the test
Amusingly, his 'fuller biography' doesn't load in my test VM
17:35
how good you are at that test compared to others ;)
@RoryAlsop You didn't trust his bio site? ;)
@MarkBuffalo standard practice when someone posts a link here :-P
@RoryAlsop Really? You fire up a VM every time I post a link?
My daughter found a way to break out of the VM somehow
@MarkBuffalo She used a $5 hammer
17:37
I can't reproduce what she did. She got in the VM and started typing something into firefox, and it caused a buffer overflow
in virtualbox...
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Q: What parameters define information sensitivity?

MotivatedSince information is generally consumed by different parties for various reasons, what parameters define information sensitivity? For example marketing may define "customer" data such as name and email address as not being sensitive while another department such as human resource may.

I see the CIA triad as being relevant here, but I'm finding myself unsure if I'm understanding the post or not.
@DavidFreitag lol - you think I click on every link?
@DavidFreitag I do the same :b
Actually, if it's a youtube link I do a cursory check :-)
The VM is already running, though
@MarkBuffalo quite often mine isn't - but it's a double click to start it up
17:40
@RoryAlsop Yeah. I click pretty much every link even without a VM. While I'm remoted into the prod server. Using IE9.
@DavidFreitag HNNNNNNNNNNNG
You just gave me a FATAL heart attack
@MarkBuffalo That's not what it sounded like
It sounded like you need a change of underwear.
@MarkBuffalo yeah. OSs could decide to ignore a specific device but it's preposterous. if the device is malicious, then the OS already cannot trust any of the hardware it's using apart from maybe a TPM. It'd need to validate that none of the firmware of the other devices has been modified, and that the state of the BIOS is as expected (e.g. secure boot with full validation of the hardware). That's completely beyond the point of what OP is discussing, im(nsh)o
@SteveDL Yeah, I don't think you're being an idiot either way. It's a perfectly valid comment.
@SteveDL The USB protocol would need to be heavily modified for a regular HID device to support something like this. It would just never happen.
17:43
@MarkBuffalo idiot was not an option, he asked if he's being a moron,... which you haven't answered :P
I don't like the term/acryonym, "HID." It makes me feel as if I'm part of the matrix.
@TildalWave Definitely not a moron :b
Even worse is the way that USB devices identify themselves. Most devices aren't uniquely identifiable meaning whitelisting devices is nearly impossible
well it's not that bad of a question actually
considering any USB stick can pretend to be a keyboard
And even worse than that it would be a trivial exercise to design a USB dongle that is indistinguishable from the real thing.
so blacklist everything, and give temporary permission every time you connect something
17:45
@ThoriumBR That would be a very difficult setup to get right
plug in a rubberduck, get 3 prompts: allow the usb mass storage device? allow the keyboard? allow the network interface?
> allow the KEKboard
it's difficult, sure, but for high security environments, it could be doable
you probably had to left your phone in a locker, pass the metal detector, sign dozens of forms and pass the retina scanner anyway...
Retina scanners are easy to bypass
and this was just to enter the bar
17:48
Bring a sledgehammer. Retina scanner security defeated
a crowbar is enough... and lighter
a spoon should do
Water.
Water eventually wins
how do you pass a retina scan with water?
Bring a garden hose, spray the retina scanner until it passes away.
17:50
you pump someone that would pass it with water until their eyes pop out of their eye sockets, use those for the scan?
eww, I disgust myself LOL
backs away from TildalWave very slowly
I'm with you @MarkBuffalo o_0
man I'm bored
comes back with the hose, fills @TildalWave
@RoraΖ Me too............. waiting for next dev cycle....
Yeah I finished my week's task yesterday
boss isn't in today or tomorrow
18:02
I was given a task that I finished in 30 minutes
now it's like ho hum... twiddly dum
omg wow markus u #1 IT pro
Nah. The hardest thing about programming is reading other people's code :p
tru dat
@MarkBuffalo I thought it was "hiding their dismembered corpses" but maybe I am skipping some steps here.
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@ThomasPornin lmfao
@TildalWave See, this is only "creepy" when you do it. When @ThomasPornin does it, we initiate double standards... probably because we know he's serious, and you're not... and we don't want to get mauled.
18:07
@MarkBuffalo Especially with zero comments and variables like 'p' and 'q' for large structures and classes
@RoraΖ SLFGRLETYGKLRYKLKLDFKSKKL2345ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRTY6GD;REKLFS
@RoraΖ a q p
triggered
------ V
OH COME ON MARKUS YOU RUINED THE WEEN I WAS TRYING TO MAKE
Fortunately, my colleagues make really nice code. I was surprised to look at the code and find out they don't suck.
Everything is understandable for the most part
18:08
I wish, my codebase is 8 years old
Yeah and 8 years ago, people were dumb.
And they weren't software people
sigh
Lets use NO WHITESPACE guys!!
if(obscureStupidFunction(that, takes, lots, of, arguments) == 3) thenCallOtherObuscreFunction();
What's 3 mean????
It wouldn't be as fun if you knew what this magic constant was in the first place!
@RoraΖ Sometimes I will do that in an unfamiliar programming language like PHP... however, I comment and explain exactly what those are.
PHP doesn't count as a programming language
18:12
Those numbers, I mean*
People who are good at their jobs do
In fact, if I even introduce a new pattern, I comment showing people how to follow my logic and update the code based on the current pattern. I go into great detail, and even provide examples
And then check it in to svn without any commit message?
For huge files where you have 234092342904904 different classes everywhere, and you need to update something, an explanation is critical.
If I check something into svn without commit, it's because it's a quick change that's already visible. For things that require more information, never... an explanation of changes is required. If it's something only I will ever work on, I don't put the explanations in the svn because they're already in the comments. Am I terribad?
"already visible" = shows up on diff / is commented.
@RoryAlsop I as hoping to give him a chance to edit - it's obvious there is a mis-match in reality perception there
18:18
s/without commit/without a commit message
@schroeder I think his problem is that he's busy mentally masturbating to how great he is, so he gets a little carried away with himself :x
@MarkBuffalo tantric!
#define BLUE rgb(255,0,0)
#define RED rgb(0,0,255)
#define TRUE 0.5
@ThoriumBR Color blind?
BLUE = 0,0,255. RED = 255,0,0. True is a float, not a boolean. Am I missing a joke here?
No, just an article I saw somewhere on how to get a lifetime job when working with a large codebase
Lol
That's dishonest, though. I just make sure everything is explained
Doing a good job = lifetime job
18:32
and mixing 1 and lowercase L, uppercase O and zero on variable names
hyphen and underscores too
I hate people who spam their code like this: _________func do something(________lol_________, _______look_at_me_Im_coding____) var _________wtf;
haha... me too... I don't see a point of that much prefixes...
maybe they are paid by kB?
kB?
ah... makes sense.
@MarkBuffalo Really the only reason to do that is if you're using C
@TildalWave WTF?!
18:40
@DavidFreitag Example?
@MarkBuffalo Some C compilers don't support namespaces, so many C programmers like to prefix functions with their driver role etc. Also, many GCC builtin functions use leading underscores.
ah, I see
I've noticed that in C, but I'm really complaining about seeing that in C#, Java, etc.
of course I didn't understand the namespace thing either
@MarkBuffalo That's probably indicative of a dev who moved from C
@DavidFreitag Poor thing
A moment of silence for him
self-aware sad-sack Jeb! is actually kind of endearing https://twitter.com/roqchams/status/695305058142003201
18:49
What a shitty first name this guy has.
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Q: How to authenticate a subscriber GSM?

SDasdHow to authenticate a subscriber GSM? Could you give me a hint or link where it is described ? I mean: From what base station of GSM knows that the subscriber is authorized. abonent is user that is entitled to using this GSM.

^^ this person is having some serious language issues, can anyone help edit?
@Ohnana Do we look like a mong translator tool to you?
@DavidFreitag Note that GCC MUST use the underscores for exactly the same reason that developers MUST NOT use them: identifiers beginning with two underscores (or one underscore followed by an uppercase letter) are reserved for the implementation (i.e. reserved for GCC and the libc).
@Simon i figured you spoke the language
@Ohnana :OOOOO
18:57
@ThomasPornin Yeah I learned that one the hard way when I was busy with my own libc implementation
Also when working with the GCC preprocessor and the gnu assembler
If you write a library in C, then it is best if all your globally visible identifiers (non-static functions and global variables, macros defined in your library API header) beginning with a specific prefix. This will help reduce risks of namespace collisions.
@ThomasPornin It also helps keep track of what each function does. Especially when you're using a terrible compiler from the 80s that only supports a single C file.
Hey, here's another quality question from "i want to hack and crack and Fsck": security.stackexchange.com/q/112834/59228
question: is this a VTC -> low quality or a VTC -> migrate? It's a shit all around question
I like the approach of suggesting to migrate and if it is migrated, decide if they want to fix it or nuke it.
yeah but that's just foisting the problem onto another mod team
19:08
someone struggling with apt-get will not go very far on kali...
@Ohnana :( At least they took the tour
looks like someone watched Matrix:
"Hey *hien nguyen*, are you a hacker?
Not yet. Operator, download Kali for me...
Now I am..."
@Ohnana Ohhhhhh snap
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A: Why am I getting "Command 'deb' not found"?

Eric Carvalho'deb' is not a command. It is used in sources.list file to indicate a Debian software repository. From Ubuntu Manpage - sources.list: The source list is designed to support any number of active sources and a variety of source media. The file lists one source per line, with the most prefe...

even better -- they're doing it completely wrong. ^^ that's the answer to their question
@ThoriumBR apt-get install kali-live-cd
y u no work?
19:11
@MarkBuffalo true. there's an interesting question in there, it just needs to actually blossom into an understandable question
ohnuhnuh your positivity is making me sick.
@Ohnana I think he's trying to ask about spoofing a sim card or something
Stop being nice and helpful, that's not how we're going to help the world.
Which would make it off-topic
@Ohnana Also, don't listen to @Simon. He's too jaded to appreciate the importance of helping others
@Simon your homonym fuckups make me sick
@MarkBuffalo how so?
19:12
@Ohnana IT HAPPENS ONCE EVERY YEAR
@Ohnana Asking how to spoof a sim card = breaking a specific system
@Simon UNACCEPTABLE YOU HAVE EYEBALLS
@MarkBuffalo a specific system
YEAH AND WHAT? I DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ WHAT I'VE TYPED
if it was for breaking everything, we wouldn't have any red team questions
SIM card spoofing is general enough that it's on topic, i think
> Questions asking us to break the security of a specific system for you are off-topic unless they demonstrate an understanding of the concepts involved and clearly identify a specific problem.
But yeah, I guess so
19:14
apt-get will complaun about not being root, he will ask again why apt-get does not let hum install kali...
now if it was like, "how do i hack a t-mobile sim card to snoop on someone" then yeah, fuckem
but how could he got to the console to begin with?
apt-get will complaun about not being root, he will ask again why apt-get does not let hum install kali...
@Simon srsly you're not going to break out the #YOLO at this point?
@ThoriumBR they already have a kali system installed, they're just trying to install the debian sources
@RоryMcCune I'm planning a comeback for the summer, there's no way I can do that.
19:15
for... some reason
installing wine on kali... when you are running kali inside a VM, and I would bet is a windows host...
is a windows host, so no need to install wine at all...
You're a Windows host.
While you guys are here bitching at someone who's obviously new at something and is trying to learn, other people are being productive.
I am not bitching him because he wants to learn, I am pointing that he wants to compile a custom kernel module while trapped inside vim and cannot get back to bash... And I am not on a windows host, for like 12 years...
he wants to run kali, fine... but he must first get to know how linux works
I bet he wants to hack something, heard that kali is the linux for hackers, downloads, and discovers that he isn't a hacker at all...
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sudo-apt get rm -rf /*
do I understand Linux now?
@ThoriumBR LOL
19:32
@MarkBuffalo You were probably that kid at some point.
@Simon You're a kid
@MarkBuffalo And in some UEFI systems, you will hard brick your system...
@ThoriumBR t_t don't remind me
sudo-apt is not a command :b
Funny story I was trying to fix a dependency for an old libc6 library. I ran sudo apt-get -f install
After about 5 minutes of continuous scrolling of removes and installs it stops with an error
I try sudo apt-get install new-program
cannot find apt-get
:facepalm:
The "-f" option is documented to mean "-force" but it really stands for "-fubar-the-whole-machine".
19:42
That's about right
@RoraΖ LOL
Luckily it was a VM so I just reverted, but I was a bit dumbfounded.
aaand twitter's down again...
they're not doing very well at the moment
OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
runs around screaming
inorite
19:43
@RoraΖ Though the libc files have been deleted, they still linger on the disk because running processes have descriptors open to it. It will really disappear upon shutdown. It can be salvaged "live".
Anyone else just a bit annoyed by the title of this one?
@RoraΖ yeah I mean that's gotta be like a decent percentage of the daily CIA intel feed gone, right?!
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Q: Somebody is Spoofing my email to send SPAM Messages. No idea how to block.

Surjith S MSome body is using my Google Apps Email ID to send SPAM messages and I've received 2000+ undelivered an autorespond emails. I have no idea how to block this becuase the spammer is also using my email as reply-to email. If you have any previous experiences, can you tell me how to block this in a...

I mean, doesn't that guy ever wonder (and, perhaps, bother Googling) what SPAM stands for?
@Iszi The title is not a question but it seems clear enough.
@ThomasPornin You know what SPAM stands for, right?
19:45
The question is relevant: what do you do when you begin to receive thousands of automatic (or irate) emails because a spammer used your email address as "from" in millions of spams ?
@Iszi The meat product ?
Are you two in a little war or something?
@ThomasPornin the "-f" is for "fix-broken" not force... to force you use --force-yes
@RoraΖ wait what
@ThomasPornin No, the supposed acronym that this guy is using in his question title.
19:46
@Simon Not that I am aware of, but I cannot rule out the possibility that I am fighting a war in a completely subconscious, reflex fashion.
-f install is for fixing broken packages i thought? how did that nuke apt-get? did you uninstall apt-get or something stupid like that?
@Iszi You are angry because he wrote "SPAM" instead of "spam" ?
I thought I was the maniacal French here.
@ThomasPornin No, I said I was annoyed.
o lawd he's at the point where he asks his enemy if he's angry
o damn he's calling him worse than the French
@ThomasPornin And I'm only 1/4 French. Thanks.
19:48
Anyway, feel free to make an edit. @Simon will approve it.
I'm not sure if this is meant to be insulting to me.
@Simon i think that's a sneaky burn
Yeah me too but it might be too sneaky.
@RоryMcCune Yup, and 100% of News Media!
@ThomasPornin As if I need approval for edits from anyone - let alone @Simon. You and I are still on the same page when ranked by total rep, y'know.
Oh, crap. He's summoned the sockpuppet.
19:50
hides
@Iszi I'M SORRY I DON'T HEAR YOU FROM THE TOP OF MY HOARD OF REPUTATION POINTS.
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fkin rekt
oooooh dis gon be good
Next @ThomasPornin sockpuppet needs to be called @TommySmaug. And we gotta find some sort of bear-dragon hybrid for his avatar.
Smaug is an example I actually use in my daily work.
19:52
Smaug died so easily though.
It was kind of pathetic.
What?
Smaug dies???
spoilers...
@Simon That's why we're crossing him with a frickin' bear.
Oh wait, I don't care about the Bored of the Rings.
@Iszi Whoaaaa.
When people insist on making copies of all read requests to public data and put it in a 100 GB database that nobody can consult because any SQL request brings down the server to its knees, I talk about how stupid this is with the Smaug metaphor.
19:54
nice metaphor
@ThomasPornin You could chant the greatness of my ween instead, I'm sure it'd have the same impact.
@ThoriumBR TWSS
@Simon I'm not even sure there would be a whole syllable in such a chant.
@ThomasPornin Ewww
@MarkBuffalo Definitely TWSS... to @Simon, particularly.
pls
@Ohnana I hate you.
@Simon :DDDD
@Ohnana .....................................
I'm currently drinking water to mask my hunger
@MarkBuffalo omg ew
Me too.
20:11
that is nasty tho
I'm so hungry I could eat a horse
I'm not really hungry but I'd totally eat a slice right now.
@Simon Me too. A slice of Mr. Ed.
HOW IS THE WORD "SLICE" A EUPHEMISM?
Maniacs.
@Simon Because you made an arbitrary response after I talked about eating a horse. I capitalized on it.
20:13
o
It looked like you wanted a slice of Mr. Ed as well

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