The DMZ

TildalWave

06:03

morning

Stack Exchange

07:14

In the future, a group of resistance fighters send me back in time with instructions to find the Skynet prototype and try to upgrade it.

Rory Alsop

07:38

^ have xkcd been following my PC build tribulations...

Arperum

@kalina fight robot reviewers. With robot-created tests.

Rory Alsop

08:06

@Arperum - I read that as "kalina fights robot"

Rоry McCune

08:17

Morning all

Barry Carlyon

Morning! puts the kettle on

Arperum

@RoryAlsop There is that too. Kalina just beat the robot that is used to fight other robots, but got confused and tried fighting a human instead.

Lucas Kauffman

08:34

mmm I think there was an issue with throttling the requests when scraping the dmz

so that's fixed

Journeyman Geek

@Arperum: best part is? I can actually tell most review audits by sight now

@AviD: Shit like that is why I do test 'failures' of my main hard disks...

I can get my main desktop up in an hour if its just a system disk failure. Little longer for my other boxen since they need to pull in the backups from my nas

Arperum

08:57

@JourneymanGeek Yea, if you suddenly get a post from years ago in your queue, that is kind of a given.

Journeyman Geek

On the contrary

if its from two hours ago its probably a review audit

kalina

what if Germany actually won World War 2 and we're living in an alternate timeline in which the fractured remains of the ally power time travelled and convinced Hitler to invade Russia

Rоry McCune

@kalina Good Morning Kalina, see you've started the week well :op

kalina

09:14

sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast

Arperum

@kalina I like that movie.

M'vy

11h23... internet finally going live again... DMZ powering up... Loading accurate diurnal isomorphism... Good Morning !!

kalina

I didn't realize the Internet had gone offline

M'vy

@kalina corporate internet thing... you know. Have to call IT, IT has to call other IT, other IT has to call ISP customer service, ISP call tech...

kalina

I'm not familiar with corporate internet things

Sebastian Nagel

10:38

Hey everybody .
I am looking for a ECDH libary for 16 - bit controllers . Can anybody recommend one ? :-) Thanks in Advance and all the best

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

14

Q: Types of Cryptography for a 4-8 bit microcontroller

This is more of a research question. I was wondering what types of crypto algorithms would work best on a small 4-8 bit micro controller. I recently read a paper called Security Considerations for 802.15.4 Networks and was wondering if anyone out there can think of any other papers or has knowl...

kalina

10:53

apparently when kalina isn't chatting, chat is inactive

Sebastian Nagel

@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 didn't find much usefull information in that thread . Anyway I appreciate your suggestion

I'm looking for elliptic Curve [ECC] implementations and not asymmetric cryptography in general

preferably in C

elliptic curve Diffie Hellman key-exchange software for 16 Bit uC

CodesInChaos

11:10

Might not be super fast, but the Ref10 and the TweetNaCl versions of Curve25519 should work on pretty much any platform.

Terry Chia

@SebastianNagel mbedtls is pretty small but not sure if it's small enough for 16bit microcontrollers.

CodesInChaos

I think Peter Schwabe has some newer works on implementing Curve25519 on lower end devices.

Terry Chia

@SebastianNagel There's also munacl.cryptojedi.org/curve25519-cortexm0.shtml

Rоry McCune

@kalina see what you've done... now they're talking about crypto!

Sebastian Nagel

Thanks a lot for the responses :-)

I'll take a look at those for sure the next hours !

Terry Chia

11:24

@RоryMcCune Fine. Let's start an on topic conversation. Ruby sucks.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia now where was my "Wrong" GIF

Simon

Morning you DMZ sunshines.

Rоry McCune

@Simon watcha' @Simon was your weekend good?

Simon

@RоryMcCune Yep it was super legit, yours?

Rоry McCune

@Simon yarr was good, got some nice weather on Sunday for a walk up a hill

Simon

11:37

@RоryMcCune That's the picture you've tweeted, right?

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah that was the shot from the top at the trig point

Simon

Nice.

kalina

@RоryMcCune sorry, too busy to join in atm

Rоry McCune

@kalina why am I guessing that if crypto is the topic of conversation, you're always too busy to join in...

Simon

MRW when I remember that I destroyed my Techno playlist in an attempt to repair it yesterday: :(

Silly Google Play Music doesn't sync properly with iTunes playlists.

RoraΖ

12:01

5

A: Does the Mebromi BIOS flashing rootkit mean APTs for personal computers are here?

That said, bios and firmware attacks have been around for a while. The only change here is > the same one any class of attacks goes through: they have become commoditised. This doesn't change the approach of find, patch etc., but it does mean that a c>ompromised machine may require cle...

I can't decide if that actually answers the question or not.

Simon

@RoraΖ Sorry, that triggered a Monday Morning Wall of Text Overflow on me, can't help ya out.

RoraΖ

@Simon haha, don't think about that for more than 3 seconds or you'll get an aneurysm

Simon

12:16

I'm too old to die :(

Andrew Smith

Hi all

I have today job in internet cafe

they asked me to secure their windows 7 desktops

so I run windows update and installed free panda security

Rory Alsop

mcsweeneys.net/articles/nihilistic-password-security-questions

Did you guys see this one (haven't checked transcript yet)

RoraΖ

@RoryAlsop haha

"When did you stop trying?"

Simon

"What was the name of your favorite unpaid internship?"

pls, they were all well paid.

"What is your ex-wife’s newest last name?"

Brutal.

kalina

12:32

@RоryMcCune well, good point but not the one I was making

Rоry McCune

@kalina was the point you were making that you were super busy with new "duff duff duff"s?

Rory Alsop

12:54

Mmmm Duff </homer>

Rоry McCune

13:09

@RoryAlsop huh that connection had not occurred to me. So I've basically been suggesting that @kalina writes dwarvish drinking songs.... "beer beer beer"

Andrew Smith

Are there any active mods? I'd like to edit some old posts which have grammar mistakes as well some things needs clarification...

Journeyman Geek

You can always edit old posts - it'll just go into review if you don't have the rep.

Simon

wat

Oh, the annoying one is back.

RoraΖ

@AndrewSmith You should edit the posts then, and they will be queued for approval.

CodesInChaos

@JourneymanGeek He's banned. For 10 years or so.

Simon

13:23

^

Journeyman Geek

ahh

RoraΖ

Well that poses a problem

Simon

@AndrewSmith You seem to be missing the point here: you've been banned from the site which means that mods judged that your presence is not welcomed here.

Therefore, I'm sure that they don't have a minute to waste with your edits.

RoraΖ

For roughly 10 years

Simon

And quite frankly I have no idea why you're still allowed to come in here.

And why you even bother to do so.

Rоry McCune

13:38

@Simon trolls gotta troll

kalina

@AndrewSmith I hope you edit in better grammar than displayed here

Andrew Smith

@kalina: stop your comments from now on please which are degrading

Lucas Kauffman

Andrew Smith

@Simon: please stop degrading and unhelpful comments from now on

kalina

@AndrewSmith yeah, well, you know, that's just like... uh... your opinion...

@AndrewSmith my comments are factual and I've been nothing but nice to you the entire time you and I have been here together

Terry Chia

13:51

@AndrewSmith please go away from now on

Lucas Kauffman

@AndrewSmith static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/109146/…

@AndrewSmith did you get a reason why you are banned?

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman I would imagine with the number of bans involved, he's had several

@LucasKauffman thanks for that, I now have Bohemian rhapsody going round my head

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune really? What did he do?

Arperum

@RоryMcCune Counter it with this

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman no idea guv, I just know that bans are escalating (i.e. the first one you get isn't 10 years), so there will have been multiple cases where an explanation would have been provided

@Arperum that feels like it's going to be a rick roll

so I think I'll decline to click it

Arperum

14:01

@RоryMcCune It is not.

@RоryMcCune You can always get the videotitle by dragging the link into the reply box here and posting that. That'll onebox it.

Rоry McCune

@Arperum ah and it's not, in fact I can safely say that's a long way from a rick roll

Arperum

@RоryMcCune Yes, it's a pretty awesome song.

Simon

@RоryMcCune He's genuinely the worst troll I've ever seen.

@RoryAlsop What's the rule on suspended users creating a new account?

At this point I am almost certain that @AndrewSmith is @Begueradj.

Arperum

@Simon It tends to cause longer bans.

Simon

@Arperum Then I feel like someone at SE should investigate him.

Arperum

14:07

@Simon @Begueradj exists for some time already though, I recognize the name.

Simon

@Arperum And suddenly when the other idiot gets banned, this one becomes much more active?

kalina

@Simon is he even a troll, though? If he's actually a troll he's the most harmless troll I've ever encountered

Simon

They both have a very similar grammar, come from the same location according to their profile.

And then of course he asked this question: meta.security.stackexchange.com/questions/1908/…

And made sure to mention how he clicked on the other guy's profile.

@kalina You're right, I think he's just a dumbass.

kalina

I think you're a better troll than he is

Simon

Thank you.

Arperum

14:12

@Simon I'm not saying you are wrong, just adding the datapoint that the other account exists for quite some time already.

kalina

You're very welcome

CodesInChaos

@RоryMcCune Officially bans only go up to 1 year.

Arperum

@Simon You might be right, you might be wrong, but I don't think it'll hurt if @rory or some other mod has a look at it.

Simon

@Arperum Yep, it could just be a bunch of coincidence but I definitely think that's it's worth looking into it too.

TildalWave

@Simon nah I don't even ignore the latter

Simon

14:23

@TildalWave Haha.

user122738

@Simon Hello. Why do you accuse me of being a troll? I can understand you typed my name here and found may be 2 or 3 profiles having the same name Begueradj. All of them mine. I use only this one because I do not remember the credentials I used for others, not even the emails I used for them. Once I contacted the moderators to merge two of my accounts but I never received an answer.

Simon

Yeah, pinging you was a damn mistake, I'm not gonna read any of this.

kalina

@Begueradj oh hey do you like chocolate?

user122738

No, I am old for chocolate. I prefer les lardons fumés

kalina

pls think of the animals

eating all of those cute faces

anyway now that I've distracted you away from your initial mini rage at Simon

user122738

14:34

@kalina Our ancestors the apes became humans thanks to eating animal proteins.

Arperum

@Begueradj Too old for chocolate does not exist.

user122738

@kalina Hope I am not impolite, but I wonder if you are a man or a woman? Your username and picture profile sound female, that is why I ask

Simon

Creep alert.

user122738

@Arperum May be you are right. I never liked it anyway.

kalina

@Begueradj your ancestors, I'm not human

@Begueradj as a non-human, my gender is irrelevant to this discussion

and the reason I choose to not eat meat is because I am above humanity on the food chain and it's in everybody's best interests

user122738

14:37

I always thought a user called Deer Hunter is the funniest person of all times on SE, but now I think you compete him :) @kalina

Simon

..................

I almost puked.

kalina

oh, there's no need to laugh at me :(

Arperum

@kalina Gender is irrelevant to this discussion either way. The point where gender start being relevant is the point when you are deciding to do something that requires gender specific bodyparts.

Rоry McCune

Also on the Internet everything can just be a professed identity, doesn't actually need to relate to a real one :)

For example as we know @kalina is actually a 45 year old trucker from Des Moines Iowa, who just like to represent as a DJ type person

and @Simon is actually 12 but likes to pretend he's a PHP dev.

Simon

I am 12 and I am a PHP dev.

Arperum

14:45

and @RoryAlsop predates the big bang.

user122738

I noticed most of the members using this room are from UK.

Iszi

@Simon I thought that went without saying - the choice of language implied the age?

Simon

@Iszi That's usually true.

Rоry McCune

@Iszi well you'd know, you're his dad

Arperum

@Begueradj You checked them all? AFAIK there are only a couple UK people in here.

Iszi

14:46

@Begueradj Really, most? I find that claim dubious. Certainly there's a significant portion from the U.K., but there's also a substantial portion from the U.S., a couple Canadians, and several from other regions. A fairly diverse group.

user122738

@Arperum Yes, some moderators, Kalina, Simon ... and lot of others, except you and me

Rоry McCune

@Simon you hear that, you're an honorary brit now!

Arperum

@Begueradj There are some on your list that are wrong.

kalina

@Iszi I'm not even sure it's a significant portion

Rоry McCune

@Simon you realise that means you need to start liking............. Roundellos!

kalina

14:48

@Begueradj basically everybody in that list is wrong

stop being so wrong, you're hurting me

Simon

@RоryMcCune At least now all this time I've spent practicing my "oi lads" will be useful.

Iszi

@kalina You're calling the Rorys insignificant? Careful, now. One of 'em has one of those shiny blue diamond thingies.

Simon

@RоryMcCune pls

user122738

well ... you want to get me paranoid :)

kalina

@Iszi like that matters at all

Simon

14:49

Oh he's paranoid? That reminds me someone else.

kalina

@Begueradj well no, actually, there isn't what us making you paranoid looks like

this is merely us correcting all the things you got wrong

like Microsoft being the public relations division of the NSA, for example

user122738

us and me .... scary vocabulary :)

kalina

and Linux being suitable for the average end user

Rоry McCune

@kalina that was a funny one

user122738

I thought you do not use the axe here :) @kalina

kalina

14:51

and for the record, cryptography is exactly like penis size, it's not only the size that matters but how you use it

Iszi

So, I just had a browse around the current room members. Of those who claim any locale in their profile, the largest majority (though still less than half of all) is indeed from the U.K.. The next-most represented country appears to be the U.S., and then there's a wide mix after.

kalina

are you including Canada in US like you include Scotland in UK?

RoraΖ

Who specifies local in the their profile?

Terrible opsec

Simon

@kalina Bahaha.

RoraΖ

@kalina pls

kalina

14:52

@RoraΖ I kept mine as narrow as I was willing

Iszi

@kalina Not including Canada in the U.S., but Scotland is part of the U.K..

user122738

@kalina you often talk about such things ... perv :)

kalina

not according to the British or the Scottish

Iszi

@kalina Like it or not, the Scots are British.

The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained

►

RoraΖ

@Iszi Technically Canada should be part of the UK, since they also hail the Queen

kalina

14:53

@Begueradj if something can't be explained with a good penis euphemism then it's not worth explaining

2

Simon

@RoraΖ Better than hailing da gunz.

Iszi

@RoraΖ No, they fall into one of the more wibbly-wobbly categories.

Simon

ALL HAIL DA GUNZ

user122738

:D

RoraΖ

@Simon Better than hailing moose

kalina

14:54

guys I have been here for an hour and have 50% of the star list

Simon

@RoraΖ Nah, da meese are da shit.

RoraΖ

@Simon The mice?

kalina

I'm going afk now so you have time for normality to restore

RoraΖ

I can't understand you with your head flapping about like that.

Simon

@RoraΖ No, the fake plural word for moose.

@RoraΖ Shush you SP nub.

kalina

14:55

pls it wasn't a single player reference

RoraΖ

@kalina Who even plays single player anymore?

kalina

I do :(

Simon

@Iszi's mom does too.

RoraΖ

@Simon Your mom constantly plays multiplayer

Simon

I have stepped in that one.

kalina

14:59

single player results in more effort but always getting what you want

whereas multiplayer you can just kinda relax and let the other player do everything

RoraΖ

And then BOOM HEADSHOT

Iszi

@kalina Unless "what you want" is "oral". And you're not a dog.

@RoraΖ Ew.

kalina

:p~

Simon

Good remove.

kalina

inb4 stars, amirite

RoraΖ

15:05

Lame I didn't see it, and apparently I was referenced

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune well you do share the same queen

Iszi

@RoraΖ She said something about swallowing your headshot.

Simon

oszi pls

kalina

at least we scared off the lions and the crocodiles

RoraΖ

But... the bears still lurk

kalina

15:06

@Iszi wow stop making stuff up that's so dirty

I'd never say that

Simon

Especially the @TomLeek one, he's the worst.

kalina

how embarrassing

Iszi

@Simon Whatchu talkin' 'bout? He never shows up in here.

TildalWave

2 days ago, by Tom Leek

@TildalWave WHAT IS WRONG WITH LEEK ?

Iszi

@RoraΖ Okay, to be fair, she didn't specifically say she wanted to swallow your headshot. Just that they tend to get swallowed in general.

Simon

15:08

@Iszi chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=i&user=25068&room=151

Iszi

@TildalWave Okay. Nearly never.

Adi

From reddit

2

Old timey @Lucas

TildalWave

that looks like Bro-adway

kalina

@Iszi pls, statistically like half of the women in the world swallow

probably

it's hardly an opsec failure

Iszi

@kalina Really? I wonder how that research was conducted? Any practical tests to verify? Where do I sign up?

Tom Leek

15:17

@Iszi I FIND YOUR LACK OF FAITH... DISTURBING.

Simon

As she often says: that was quick.

3

Iszi

@TomLeek Please. I always have faith in you. It's the rest of these bozos I disbelieve.

kalina

@Simon "really? I didn't even realize you were in!"

Simon

@kalina How to destroy a man.

kalina

had plenty of practice at that

Iszi

15:19

@Simon No, that's the moment you just call her a slut for being so loose.

kalina

"you finish off, I'm going to sleep"

"this is boring now"

or...

"oh yeah, I didn't get milk"

@Iszi pls, use the size doesn't matter argument all you want, you wouldn't travel to Hawaii on a row boat.

jrg

Somebody did.

kalina

and my condolences to that individual

Iszi

@kalina Hey, if the row boat has a rocket strapped to it, the trip could still be fun!

kalina

@Iszi like the boat would survive that

Iszi

15:22

A little something called "thrust-to-weight ratio" factors in, there.

kalina

your argument is fine but you're ignoring displacement.

which is pretty fundamental in this particular context

the word displacement doesn't mean what I thought it meant according to Google

user122738

@Simon I just read fully your previous comments. You even called me an idiot. I think you can not allow yourself to call any member of SE with such names.

kalina

and thus I'm going to withdraw from this discussion and go and find the word I actually meant to use, expect me to randomly blurt out a random multisyllable word later with no context

Simon

@Begueradj What happened in your life to become such an annoying individual?

kalina

@Begueradj it's not condescending or name calling, he's well aware of the word idiot as he is one

Thomas Pornin

15:32

@kalina Actually someone made the rowboat trip from Japan to Washington state, but he has an excuse: he is French.

Frenchmen are les champions de l'inutile.

Nowadays he went into politics, which is also a matter of tedious rowing through dubious waters. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_d%27Aboville)

Simon

lulz

You poetic bastard.

Iszi

On a completely unrelated topic: I just recently realized how ridiculously huge space is, and how inadequate sci-fi is at relating starship speed to real-world dimensions. For example: To travel from Sol to Proxima Centauri in less than one Earth day would require speeds well in excess of 1,000c! I can't think of any sci-fi work that has mentioned their ships going that fast!

Wanna get to our nearest stellar neighbor in under 5 minutes? You'll be going over 500,000 times the speed of light!

Rоry McCune

@Iszi WARP DRIVE ALL THE THINGS!

actually Elite:dangerous gives you a good sense of size of space

people with warp drives have spent ages trying to get to the centre of the galaxy

it takes quite a while

kalina

@Iszi pls, time is relative in media

just because they instantly cut from one scene where they're setting off to another where they're arriving doesn't mean there wasn't a month between them

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Yeah, that's the only one so far that seems to get close. And when you engage hyperdrive, your speed randomly fluctuates between four-digit factors of c. (Though anything within that range is still far from sufficient to accommodate the simulated travel duration.)

kalina

15:41

also everybody knows that it's all about the hyperspace window generator and literally folding space.

M'vy

Ok back home. where the internet actually works

Iszi

@kalina And very mutable, apparently. According to Wikipedia, the formula for warp factor velocity is v=c*(w^(10/3)). That means a trip to Proxima Centauri (4.24 ly from Sol) should take around a day at Warp 9. But, at the same time, a trip to Qo'noS (somewhere less than 90 ly from Sol) supposedly takes only 4 days at Warp 4.5.

Simon

@Iszi Nice formula, do they make it for men?

kalina

@Simon "fast"

M'vy

Warp factor

kalina

15:49

I like this ship as it allows you to turn up warp factor to 11

waits for a nerd interjection

Iszi

I like this room, as it tends to turn the euphemism factor up to 11.

Simon

And nurd factor up to 11 too.

kalina

I'm disappointed that none of you nerds jumped in to attack one of the only pieces of nerd I actually know

and I'm certainly not going to tell you as I'm suddenly feeling slightly self concious about the whole thing

David Freitag

@tylerl Sounds like someone didn't chat up the right person in HR.

CodesInChaos

16:09

Star trek is rather inconsistent about warp factor. But I think in TNG warp 10 is infinite speed.

Happy now?

jrg

And in Voyager, you roll back evolution while retaining language.

Rоry McCune

@CodesInChaos en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor it is but also inconsistently there were several instances of higher warp factors

Iszi

@RоryMcCune It's mildly amusing how TOS recorded objects going higher than warp 30, but later generations decided that 10 would be the "infinite speed" factor.

I guess they wanted to make it so that "infinite speed" seemed like something just barely out of reach.

@jrg Roll back? I thought it was hyper-accelerated?

jrg

@Iszi IDK. Didn't they turn into frogs?

Iszi

@jrg Some sort of thing like that. Depending on the fiction though, that could go either way.

@jrg Found it. Accelerated evolution. en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Threshold_(episode)#Act_Five

kalina

16:50

my mouse is sticky

also look at me starting a Star Trek conversation

Rоry McCune

?

kalina

sure

why not

Simon

y nut

kalina

y nt

y

?

David Freitag

Note to self never touch @kalina's keyboard or mouse...

kalina

16:58

conveniently skipping the other 372 steps it would take to be in that situation

Simon

lulz

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