The DMZ

Interesting. If I could get past the 20k rep threshold, I'd actually have the highest candidate score. Of course, there's little/no chance I'll manage ~5k in the week or two that I'd have to do it.

raz

or three we don't care about the score when we vote

You know downvotes on questions like these frustrate me.

-1

Q: multiple encryption layers and removing them in any order?

I was just thinking (through browsing the site) How possible is it to encrypt data, then encrypt it a 2nd time and then after encrypting it with a 2nd layer, remove the first layer leaving the second layer untouched. file -> encrypted layer 1 -> encrypted layer 1 and layer 2 -> encrypted layer ...

encryption

It's a perfectly valid question. Just because the answer seems obvious to some, doesn't mean that it's obvious to all.

Rory Alsop

4:32 PM

@Iszi you have read your post here, haven't you:

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A: The Memes of Information Security

Rory As you've already mentioned, Rory has become a bit of a meme within the IT Security StackExchange community. Usage of this meme often takes the form of word substitution a-la "smurf". Usage Examples: Jeff Ferland: It's a quite a rory of a problem, really Ninefingers: At a g...

The Doctor != Rory

@raz that one kinda looks like we should migrate to Crypto.

Maybe downvotes are because of that?

(I'd prefer people vote to close as offtopic...)

Xander

@RoryAlsop They'll just tell him to quit with the multiple layers and do it properly.

raz

@RoryAlsop Seems a bit high level for Crypto. I guess if they wanted to explain the interworkings of ciphers, and the reason why out of order decryption corrupts the data.

Rory Alsop

ok

Iszi

@RoryAlsop What, the GIF? That's about Williams, not Alsop.

And, IIRC, the GIF wasn't my contribution.

Rory Alsop

@Iszi hahahahahaha - fair enough

(dammit - need to hide my fez and bow tie, just in case)

Iszi

4:40 PM

That reminds me. I still need to fill out my CAH blanks. Was planning to do something with a "Chuck Norris Facts" theme.

Rory Alsop

@Iszi CAH?

wut is zis acronym?

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Cards Against Humanity

Rory Alsop

oh, of course :-)

I still have a tab open with that online one

somewhere

on another machine probably

@Lucas - just edited your query in the election room to superping Romeo. Otherwise not sure he will see it

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Can you superping from someone else's message?

Rory Alsop

looks like it :-)

YAY MOD POWAZZZ

yeek - time to commute via the shop.

Later folks

Iszi

4:48 PM

@RoryAlsop Oh, and apparently you're right - you're not the Doctor.

Jun 14 '13 at 13:51, by AviD

@RoryA is so old, The Doctor's first trip was as @RoryA's last companion.

So... @RoryAlsop was mistaken for The Doctor once, but it turned out The Doctor is far too young to be @RoryAlsop.

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M'vy

the f** I can see Rory's post in the preview but not in the actual room

oh got it

:) that's a fun behaviour in fact.

tylerl

5:07 PM

@LucasKauffman Yep. still work for Google. But old customers still contact me sometimes. I looked at this one mostly out of a morbid curiosity.

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi Amusingly (I am easily amused), your post is listed on top (because it came last) but is also listed as being "posted 2 days ago".

Iszi

5:18 PM

@ThomasPornin Yeah, that's quite interesting. Apparently, they just "hid" the nomination until I edited it.

Or maybe they fixed the system to only show non-blank nominations. This could be tested by someone else putting in a blank nomination like my original.

M'vy

5:29 PM

So we will have primaries...

Iszi

Are primaries just to narrow the field to 10? So, if we have 11 we'll only drop 1? 'Cause that seems just a tad ridiculous.

Thomas Pornin

> After 4 days, the top 10 candidates based on primary vote score proceed onward to the election phase.

Xander

@Iszi I agree. They should spice it up a bit. Like if there are only eleven candidates, the one who finishes last in the primary gets permanently banished from SE. That would make it worth something.

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Jeff Ferland

@tylerl Eh? Headquarters? Or another city?

raz

6:02 PM

@tylerl Gotta love that base64 encryption!

tylerl

6:19 PM

@JeffFerland Yeah, i'm in mountain view

Jeff Ferland

@tylerl I think this came up and I lost it somewhere. I work in MV. We should get lunch sometime.

tylerl

@JeffFerland Cool, yeah.

Rоry McCune

7:08 PM

^screencap from the amazon instant sales

they have a "family pack" of brass knuckles

3

what the heck sort of family is it!!

M'vy

FAMILY PACK?!

Rоry McCune

'Murica!

Iszi

@RоryMcCune The Family. Duh.

Iszi

7:35 PM

Mafia

A mafia is a type of organized crime syndicate whose primary activities are protection racketeering, the arbitration of disputes between criminals, and the organizing and oversight of illegal agreements and transactions. Secondary activities may be practiced such as drug-trafficking, loan sharking and fraud. The term was originally applied to the Sicilian Mafia, but has since expanded to encompass other organizations of similar methods and purpose, e.g. "the Russian Mafia", "the Japanese Mafia", "the Albanian Mafia" or "Maltese Mafia". The term is applied informally by the press and public; the...

David Freitag

7:55 PM

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Q: Is 'I f*cked the dog' an actual idiom and are there alternatives

I am a non-native speaker from Germany. In German there's one idiom that goes: Sich die Eier schaukeln Literally translated, this means "to rock the eggs", where "the eggs" are testicles. This is used to express severe boredom, especially to describe procrastinating or one's state of mind w...

idioms translation offensive-language idiom-requests german

M'vy

8:15 PM

ah shoot. There's no info on election in the stack API...

Gilles

@M'vy depending on what you're looking for, elections.stackexchange.com might have it

M'vy

yeah well, wanted to fetch the list of candidates for a small project :)

But I guess I'll have to get the user ids by han d:)

Gilles

@M'vy you can scrape them from elections.stackexchange.com

M'vy

yeah

ah ah, for our French readers that like Dr. Who : legorafi.fr/2013/07/16/…

Gilles

@M'vy duh, of course he shouldn't start with season 5, we don't have all the episodes anymore

M'vy

8:26 PM

hehe

I think they meant serie 5 in fact

Gilles

il dit qu'il a compris la blague

M'vy

I wish they had the old episodes on netflix :S

and serie 8

David Freitag

8:39 PM

@M'vy What the hell...?

@M'vy They did, at least for a while. Try searching for "Dr. Who Classic"

Although I suppose "A young man was severely beaten" for the French probably means "A young man was gently slapped"

M'vy

@DavidFreitag well I'm on France catalog unfortunately

David Freitag

I wonder if a US-Based VPN would allow you to view the US catalog?

Gilles

@DavidFreitag I think they'd also want a US credit card but I may be confusing with some other similar service

David Freitag

@Gilles I pay for Netflix with Paypal

Gilles

@DavidFreitag Gorafi is the French word for onion

David Freitag

8:44 PM

So that should be an issue.

@Gilles That cleared things up.

@RоryMcCune hackaday.com/2015/07/14/…

more on the ProxyHam mystery

> If you think about it, it’s actually somewhat impressive. [Ben Caudill] used some routers and a Raspberry Pi to hack the media.

Gilles

@DavidFreitag pfff, some people do it with just their voice

David Freitag

@Gilles This whole story is very interesting. I still maintain that he wasn't able to get the device working in time for defcon, and thus he cancelled. I can't imagine anyone would be devious enough to half-ass a project with the intent to cancel and become a legend via rumor.

But, then, maybe I'm still a bit too naive.

schroeder

9:46 PM

@DavidFreitag wow - the comment section ... oh, the vitriol .... backs away slowly

David Freitag

@schroeder Hackaday is all vitriol. It's all you will find.

When you get into a field like embedded electronics you will find (apart from the newest generation of people) that everyone has a very specific subset of knowledge and clings to that for dear life.

schroeder

10:04 PM

@DavidFreitag I'm totally cool with knowledgable geeks being overly assertive and narrowly focused - my brother as Asperger's and is a Theoretical Math geek - but that, that was ... unnecessary. I've seen feral stray cats behave more civilly.

David Freitag

@schroeder Yes, I wasn't kidding. EE is very much full of the proverbial silverback males. They get... upset.

schroeder

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Q: What kinds of attacks can WPA/WEP mitigate?

Assuming these kinds of attacks: Header based Protocol based Authentication based Traffic based What do WPA/WEP mitigate?

network vulnerability

0

Q: What kinds of attacks can VLAN's mitigate?

Assuming these very basic kinds of attacks: Header based Protocol based Authentication based Traffic based What would using a VLAN mitigate?

network exploit

This answer is very wrong, but doesn't deserve to be deleted, just downvoted:

-3

A: Does services provided by different companies for DDoS protection work well?

You can mitigate 99% of the DDOS attacks yourself with a front end load balancer

Rory Alsop

@schroeder It could do with being deleted, as it has no information...and is wrong :-)

schroeder

10:23 PM

@RoryAlsop I don't agree - the proposed alternative is a load balancer, which WOULD accomplish something, at least. It's a succinct answer with an actual suggestion. It's totally wrong, but following the advice won't cause harm. Downvote to oblivion, but I don't think it needs to be deleted.

Rory Alsop

If it described how a load balancer would do it, or had a diagram of how to set one up, I'd agree, but that answer is just like me saying "Just use a Blahblahblah" - not a useful answer

schroeder

totally agreed - but isn't that what the downvote button is for?

Rory Alsop

@schroeder well, I did downvote, and if I wasn't a mod I would have voted to delete as low quality

schroeder

lol, as a Mod Candidate (is that a thing?), I would downvote, comment, encourage the user to enhance the question with more details before deleting. There is some kernel of an answer there, and I would like the chance to see it grow.

Simon

10:39 PM

@schroeder So, are you the one who declined my flag?

So, you actually judge that an answer with a single sentence is a proper one?

Xander

@Simon No, I did, because I'm tried of being yelled at by @AviD for voting to delete wrong answers.

Simon

@Xander LOL

Xander

Though in fairness, that was a really crap answer.

Simon

And definitely not worth keeping, imo.

Xander

@Simon Yeah, it's really not. I'm regretting my decision. At least I downvoted. Oh well.

Simon

10:59 PM

@AviD See what you're causing?!?

schroeder

@Simon It is wrong, but not harmfully so, and 1% useful. There is more there that could be added.

There's an educational opportunity there for the answerer and an opportunity to them to expand into potentially useful territory

Personally, I'd want to give them a chance to improve it before deletion

Xander

11:19 PM

@schroeder No, it's 100% wrong and not really useful. I agree with you that it isn't actively harmful, but it adds nothing at all of value to the site, and is merely clutter. The education opportunity for the answerer (and I agree that there is one) is that crap answers should be deleted, and actual effort and knowledge should be invested in the creation of future answers.

@schroeder As is, I don't think there's anything salvageable there.

schroeder

@Xander "crap answers should be deleted" <- I completely agree, but it's not total crap, that's my problem. A load balancer could work under certain conditions. Hence my 1% allowance. It could be salvaged by the answerer describing the underlying assumptions or preconditions.

conditions = low volume DDoS, in this case ....

I am decisive in voting to delete bad answers, but this seems just over the line, to me

Simon

@schroeder Therefore, it should be a comment, not an answer.

Xander

@schroeder I see your point. But the main issue is that it's only going to stop 1% of DDoS attacks rather than 99%, so in order to be useful to anybody, it's going to need a lot of detail. My current position is that I'd still vote to delete, and let him try again if he's prepared to offer that level of detail.

As it is, I suspect he's just spouting off and doesn't really know what he's talking about.

schroeder

@Xander I also agree with this, so I want to give the poor guy a chance.

hmmm, I might have found my Moderator platform: the "24 hour BS grace period". If the answer seems like BS, comment on it and give the poster 24 hours to redeem the answer...

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