The DMZ

TildalWave

00:02

@RoryAlsop Jeez you've been everywhere haven't you? Wasn't the old Rainbow Warrior decommissioned by French operatives somewhere in New Zealand? I believe I watched a movie about it... were you in it too? :)

The Rainbow Warrior (film)

The Rainbow Warrior, sometimes called The Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, is a 1993 television film starring Sam Neill and Jon Voight. Plot summary Film is based on the true story of the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior, which was bombed in Auckland harbour on 10 July 1985, when it was preparing for a Pacific voyage to protest French nuclear testing. The film chronicles the police investigation to discover what happened to the ship and who was responsible. Cast * Jon Voight as Peter Willcox * Sam Neill as Allan Galbraith * Bruno Lawrence * Kerry Fox as Andrea Joyce * John Callen * Stacey...

Terry Chia

02:58

I see another rep train happened when I was asleep grrrrr.

Scott Pack

Loser.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Was that what they called you in school?

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Q: Who's in charge? I want to fart on some authority figures to speak truth to power

Working on rounding out my accumulation of achievements, it seems that I may have been insufficiently diligent in my quest to fart on everyone in South Park. I say this because I've finished the game, but have not earned the Truth to Power achievement. I'm not sure who I'm supposed to fart on fo...

Lmao.

Scott Pack

@TerryChia Nothing so kind, no.

tylerl

05:23

Hello Tech Support? Can you send me teh codez plz?

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Q: MCRYPT_RIJNDAEL_256 max key allow?

maximun key for MCRYPT_RIJNDAEL_256 ? mcrypt_encrypt( MCRYPT_RIJNDAEL_256, <<==hash_hmac using sha512==>>, $text, MCRYPT_MODE_ECB, $iv ) Warning: mcrypt_encrypt(): Size of key is too large for this algorithm in C:\xampp\htdocs\natabuana.com\cpanel\encryption.php on line 18

encryption php

kiBytes

06:54

Moronning

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Q: Is there any way to restrict multiple access to my server at the same time using one client certificate?

My Server is Windows 2008. I need a help from you. Let me explain briefly: let My client is Mr. X. My client is accessing my server using Mr. X's certificate. In that time an outsider also trying to access my server using Mr. X's certificate(somehow he got it). is it possible to disable multip...

ssl authentication certificates public-key-infrastructure

Two months from now the question will be: "How can I allow an user to log in again if I have restricted only one login per certificate?

And later: "How can I prevent an user from disconnecting if someone uses his stolen certificate after him"?

tylerl

07:17

@kiBytes I think I remember seeing a question like "how can I safely use a certificate if someone has stolen the private key"

someone who didn't want to take no for an answer

Rory Alsop

07:32

@Til - decommissioned possibly doesn't do it justice...

Stephane

07:51

'morning

Terry Chia

Phew, finally installed my SSD. I think I made a mess of the cabling though. :(

Rоry McCune

mornin' all

Lucas Kauffman

08:26

@RоryMcCune morning

@TerryChia rip everything out, start over. Structured cabling is important.

radicetrentasei

08:48

Is there somebody that can help me with snort? thanks

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Nah, it's not that bad. I just have pretty high standards but suck at doing ti myself. :P

Airflow isn't impeded or anything.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia it starts that way and before you know it your case will look like this:

Adnan

09:09

What a fantastic morning!

@radicetrentasei Sorry, we don't condone the use of drugs here.

radicetrentasei

:)

It's a pity... I think I'm facing a really stupid problem, I can't find a comprehensive resource online.

Adnan

Maaan.. this is so sweet! youtube.com/watch?v=IpbDHxCV29A (and NSFW)

Dog eat cat world

Hello

Lucas Kauffman

@Dogeatcatworld 'sup?

Adnan

@Dogeatcatworld I am for animal-animal violence, so I support the notion of your username. Hello.

AviD

09:23

@TerryChia Like I said, Arqade has THE best questions.

When I saw the title, I actually assumed this was a misplaced MSO rant.

Adnan

Damn it! That video sucks. It made me miss first kisses. I haven't had a first kiss in several months.

AviD

But I did fart on him. He made some dumb joke in 'Eastern Canadian' that I couldn't understand. — LessPop_MoreFizz 23 hours ago

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan poor adnan

@Adnan when you find the right one, you will hope you will never have a first kiss again

AviD

@LucasKauffman isnt there a popular song now, about being the last first kiss?

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD I don't know

Terry Chia

09:29

@AviD When you say "popular song now" I'm assuming you are referring to a song from the 80s?

AviD

@Adnan curious if the same-gender couples were all same-gender-oriented, or they did that just to make them uncomfortable.

@TerryChia no, really not. I'm referring to songs on my kids' playlist.

Unfortunately.

Lucas Kauffman

time to bake my eggs

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Adnan

@LucasKauffman Heeey! Those two events are unrelated. You can have the right person with whom want to be, but still you can miss other things.

Lucas Kauffman

oh ffs

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Is that a euphemism?

Lucas Kauffman

09:30

really?

AviD

@TerryChia of course it is.

Adnan

@AviD The two dudes definitely beeped my gaydar.

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That sounds like a euphemism

AviD

@Adnan you have a gaydar? I dont have a gaydar.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Yup

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia yes Terry, I'm heating a pan and I will start by baking some bellpeppers after which I break my testicles into the pan and scramble them around.

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AviD

09:31

there was also a grannykisser in there.

graverobber.

FEichinger

...

What on Earth ... ?

AviD

whoa, big close vote queueueue today.

Terry Chia

10:12

@FEichinger Weird day in The DMZ huh?

Adnan

@TerryChia {insert comment about how everyday is a weird day at the DMZ}

Adnan

10:37

In case anybody has any idea

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Q: What's the English equivalent of "Drilling one's head"?

In Arabic (Specifically, north-western Levantine), there's a saying that goes like He drilled my head about/with that lunch meeting (بخشلي راسي باجتماع الغدا) Which means something along the lines of He kept insisting on/talking about/remind me of/bringing up that lunch meeting It can...

translation saying idiom-requests

AviD

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A: What's the English equivalent of "Drilling one's head"?

Colloquially, you could use: Chewed my ear off.

Adnan

@AviD a +1 for you. Sounds close to what I'm looking for

AviD

for the record, in Hebrew slang we have somehting similar to yours. Although it is a bit more... DMZ-worthy.

Adnan

@AviD Please tell me it's not "drilled my ass"

AviD

@Adnan no no, it's still head-oriented.

Adnan

10:40

Because we have it as well. I just chose the classy version

AviD

Just using a different meaning for "drilled".

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD fucked your head?

AviD

@LucasKauffman bingo.

Adnan

@AviD God damn it! We have that what as well.

AviD

well, brain, actually.

Adnan

10:41

@AviD Does it involve any variation of "naak"/"niik"?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan or "nook"

AviD

no... but "naknik" is often used in combination with that, in a derogatory sense.

Lucas Kauffman

we have niknaks

Adnan

@AviD uggghhh

That's pretty much the most vulgar word for "fuck"

Lucas Kauffman

^

Adnan

10:43

I even cannot say it out loud

@LucasKauffman Yummmy

AviD

hehehe. In hebrew is it is simply "sausage".

Rоry McCune

@AviD on a random tangent have you ever tried programming in brainfuck?

AviD

@RоryMcCune only trivially, to see how much of a brainf*ck brainfuck is.

Adnan

@RоryMcCune I installed the interpreter, read the tutorial, printed "Hello world!" and that's it. Thank you bye bye

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune That's the language that revolves entirely around stack manipulation isn't it?

Rоry McCune

10:47

@TerryChia I believe so, I just know it from seeing people claim that a big long line of punctuation characters is code.

AviD

@RоryMcCune also similar to Ook!.

Arguably, whitespace is one of the worst offenders in the brainfuck category.

Adnan

++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++.

Hello world!

(from Wikipedia)

Terry Chia

@Adnan I have a theory that brainfuck was created by perlies who got tired about people complaining about how unreadable perl is.

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AviD

Hmm, this is interesting. According to wikipedia, brainfuck was created by the inventor of Urban Dictionary. Apparently.

Adnan

@TerryChia Or PHPers

Rоry McCune

10:50

@TerryChia sounds right, eh @ScottPack

Terry Chia

@Adnan Nono, PHP is readable.

It makes me want to vomit when reading it, but it's readable.

AviD

@TerryChia more likely, they were just trying to optimize perl.

Terry Chia

@AviD Hahaha!

AviD

esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list

hmm, why isnt ook there?

Terry Chia

Challenge: Implement MD5 in brainfuck.

AviD

10:56

I'm curious if Whitespace supports the full range of Unicode points. There must be many more whitespace-equivalent codepoints in other planes... do these compile as well? Do they mean something different?

FEichinger

@TerryChia Sounds about right, yes.

AviD

11:37

anyone here familiar with GruntJS? /cc @Adnan

I'm having trouble grokking a very simple issue, I haven't really found anything that explains this simply enough for me to really understand.

what THE FRACK is the point of it?

Adnan

@AviD Yup. I'm a grunter

AviD

Is this simply instead of using a proper IDE and build tool?

Terry Chia

@AviD That looks something like Gradle?

Adnan

@AviD Nope.

Terry Chia

Or tox in python.

AviD

11:39

@TerryChia never heard of it, but it might be.

@Adnan then what?

Adnan

@TerryChia It's more like Tox, indeed.

Terry Chia

@AviD I don't know about gruntjs, but if it's like tox it's very handy to integrate it with things like CI servers etc.

One configuration to run a whole set of tests etc both locally and on a build system.

AviD

so, gruntjs is basically a build tool?

built on Node.JS, of course.

Adnan

@AviD With each weekly release, I have to run unit test and if successful, I have to put all of my .js and .css in one file for each, minify, move to the build directory, and integrate in the release.

Terry Chia

For example, the project I am working on uses tox to run tests automatically against python 2.6,2.7,3.3 and 3.4 as well as building documentation and a linter.

So it's handy to have a single command do all that.

Adnan

11:42

@AviD You can loosely call it a build/pre-build tool.

AviD

@Adnan okay, sounds like a normal build tool. So why would someone want to do this in a pile of node.js-hosted javascript files?

Instead of a real build tool.

Terry Chia

@AviD I'm guessing it has a level of integration with all the JS frameworks and libraries?

AviD

@Adnan "pre-build" is also built in to real build tools.

@TerryChia ...

Adnan

@AviD If you already use NodeJS tools like Endr and others, it's easy to just run the npm and install it and have it ready to use.

AviD

okay, I think I see what I'm missing here. But I'm going to say this just once more, and I'm going to be explicit for all future generations.

Adnan

11:44

@AviD If you have something else that works for you, then, by all means, use it. I just liked Grunt because it was easy to plug into my already existing workflow

FEichinger

Why anyone would voluntarily use JavaScript as the primary programming language is beyond me.

AviD

PEOPLE. JAVASCRIPT IS NOT AN OPERATING SYSTEM. IT IS NOT THE ONLY POSSIBLE PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE. IT IS NOT THE ENTIRETY OF IT.

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Adnan

sigh

AviD

Or maybe I just don't get javascripters.

FEichinger

JavaScript is even bad at what it's supposed to be used for.

So bad in fact, jQuery exists just to make it bearable.

Adnan

11:46

@FEichinger I work on a project that uses .net, Java, C++, and JavaScript. JS is essential to the project because we want analysis tools running on all devices without installing something special, a la browsers.

AviD

well, arguably, jQuery exists to let it do what it was NOT supposed to be used for.

Adnan

We use jQuery and Dojo as our libraries/frameworks

Terry Chia

@Adnan .NET and Java? That seems redundant.

Adnan

If not for JavaScript, the whole project would have become a big Qt-Gtk-Somethingelse mess

@TerryChia .Net for the backend clientside. Mainly because of WPF.

AviD

"backend clientside"? That sounds contradictory.

Adnan

11:49

Once you guys start working for gigantic customers, you'll see that the nice hip opinions we have on how programs should be really become meaningless. Everybody sells their soles at some point.

AviD

Been there, done that. I've already bought my soul back.

Adnan

@AviD Weird terminology, I agree. The system is two parts, server and client. Completely separate and sold to different customers. Each part has it's own presentation (to the actual users) and a backend for configuration.

AviD

Never doing that again.

Adnan

@AviD Remember the thing about years of experience, brilliance, luxury of being picky?

Yeah, pretty much nobody under 30 has that.

AviD

heheh

Adnan

11:51

There are exceptions, but very few.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Mostly involving rich parents.

AviD

I believe everyone should have the luxury of being picky enough not to sell their souls.

Adnan

@TerryChia +1

AviD

Or their soles, for that matter.

unless they are a shoemaker.

Adnan

@AviD Your beliefs and reality aren't in sync.

AviD

11:52

@TerryChia Meh. only reason I sold my soul was because I didn't know any better.

Like the people who chose these dumbass javascript frameworks.

Adnan

@AviD I sold my soul, while knowing better, because I needed to eat and pay my rent.

AviD

@Adnan Perhaps not, but I am working towards that goal (or at least, trying).

Adnan

@AviD Your experience hardly represents 1% of the IT community.

Terry Chia

@Adnan @Adnan Then there are the masochistic people like @RoryAlsop who choose to work for soul crushing big corps.

Yet still finds the time to be in a band. /*scratches head*

Adnan

Look, when I first started, I used to think "Oh, classes in JavaScript? Hah! That's not what JavaScript is really for". "Why is that method written here, here, here, and also here? Oooh, because of that. Well, to fix that, I need to fix that and that, but the customer won't pay for more hours".

You slowly change your whole mentality

AviD

11:55

@Adnan True. I am the 1%.

Terry Chia

@AviD Should we start camping outside your house and protest?

AviD

@Adnan oh, I get that. I really do.

Adnan

When you're 19, 20, 21, sitting home, working on open source projects, or with your friend's startup, it's easy to have delusional ideas about how the really world really is, and at the same time live happily.

If I adopt my own 20-year-old mentality, I'd be homeless in 3 months.

AviD

In fact I remember the point in my experience when I went from the nubious "code needs to be perfect!" to the much more mature "Code needs to work, and the rest depending whether we get paid / have time / etc."

But my point is that NOW I am at the even more mature, practically ancient perspective of saying "Sure, we won't fix it if it ain't broke - but it shouldn't be like that."

Adnan

Living by yourself and having to families to feed at the same time leaves very stranded in the corner.

You have to do the shitty job.

AviD

11:59

It's the recognition of the damage that happened to our industry because of the 60% of programmers who really should NEVER have come near the profession, and would be more productive with two broken arms and an intubation tube.

Adnan

Yeah. I'm definitely having some whiskey tonight.

AviD

@Adnan heh. Again, I'm not knocking that, I get it. What I'm saying is, those companies that are deluded into creating those crappy jobs, those are the ones that are the problems.

And don't tell me "well they have to do what the customer pays for", because the customer does not pay extra for extra crap.

Unless they specify PHP. ;-)

Adnan

@AviD Fully agree, but there's nothing I can do about it.

I cannot leave my job in protest

AviD

@Adnan Perhaps not, at least not right now.

BUT if / when you are in a place where you have more options - like e.g. NYC, or when your experience/brilliance balance improves - then you can.

And / or when you are in the position to define the crappiness of the project and job.

In the meantime, you can still ~~fart on authority figures~~ speak truth to power.

Adnan

@AviD Exactly. So, for the time being, I'm accepting the status quo, make delicious meals every evening, drink some fine wines, bang like there's no tomorrow in the night, and I'm extremely content.

AviD

12:03

ah hell, I am so going to use that line. I will be farting on authority from now on.

Terry Chia

@AviD Hahahah!

@AviD Make sure your daughter doesn't learn that from you.

@AviD Dump this on U&L? security.stackexchange.com/questions/53154/…

I don't really think it's a good fit on here.

AviD

done dat

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Q: What happens if I fart on someone's balls?

Do you ever get the chance to fart on someone's balls? So far Cartman and Randy have told me "never fart on anyone's balls" but I have yet to find someone I can do this to. Ultimately, what happens if you do fart on someone's balls?

the-stick-of-truth

@Adnan perhaps you can answer this one:

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Q: How much junk can a douchebag carry?

Having played just a few RPG's before (Diablo II, Oblivion, Skyrim, DoomRL), one thing I've learned is that you can generally only bring a certain amount of stuff with you. Is there any weight/size limit on douchebag's inventory in The Stick of Truth, or can I collect infinite amounts of pubes an...

the-stick-of-truth

Adnan

@AviD Sorry, I don't know very well yet.

AviD

;-)

@Adnan oh cmon. Read the title.

I was subtly calling you a douchebag.... ;-)

seriously, the questions from this game are hysterical.

CodesInChaos

@AviD A browser is an OS. While it sucks (only supports a single high level language, WTF, even DOS is better than that), it's really popular. Probably because it's so easy to install sandboxed applications.

We need a similarly nice installer for proper code.

Adnan

12:15

@AviD and I subtly called you a douchebag by implying that in order to answer the question, I need to know you (the douchbag) more. After knowing you more, I'll be able to tell how much junk you can carry.

It's safe to say my reply was much calassier than your message

AviD

hmm I think something got lost in translation.

I think you dropped a "you"

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos Chrome is an especially good example of this.

AviD

@CodesInChaos It really isn't. It is an application that renders HTML and executes javascript. While it is not really a document viewer anymore, it is at best an application platform.

Adnan

@AviD "application platform". So, pretty much an OS for anybody who is not a computer scientist.

AviD

@Adnan ... or a software engineer.

which explains why the javascripters don't know the difference.

Adnan

12:28

@AviD Ugghhh... again. Your old timey opinions of how things should be.

Dude, it's 2014. Your gazillion-year-old views are irrelevant now

AviD

It's not "old-timey". It's experience and brilliance, with an optimistic expectation that things could be better than they are. Or at least, not as crappy.

Adnan

Oh... here we go

Terry Chia

We need goto statements in chat.

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Adnan

In the last couple of projects I work on, the browser was treated as an OS in the sense of being an application platform. We produced brilliant stuff.

AviD

@TerryChia haha

Adnan

12:31

We loved working on it. The customer loved it. The customer's clients loved it

So, just because you and a few others think "this is not how we did it in my days", that doesn't change anything.

Rory Alsop

@Terry - we have performed extensive testing. Either my sould is uncrushable, or I don't have one :-)

AviD

@Adnan I never said "this is not how we did it in my days". I said, "This is not how we should be doing it, now".

Adnan

@AviD Because of your "in my days" attitude.

AviD

@Adnan not at all. in "my days" (or at least, my early days), we didnt have mature, optimized efficient tools and platforms like we do now.

I used to program for 40 miles, in snow up to here, uphill both ways.

no wait, that's Bill Cosby.

I used to do all the stuff that jquery does, but in raw javascript.

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Are you ginger?

AviD

12:34

it was awful.

deed02392

It's still just semantics guys

not worth arguing about

AviD

@deed02392 I agree with this, but it's not semantics. It's philosophy.

Terry Chia

@deed02392 If we apply that to all our conversations, why is there even a chatroom?

Rory Alsop

@Terry - not even vaguely, why?

oh - I see

:-)

AviD

hahahaha

Rory Alsop

12:36

Is it bad that I thought jQuery was a joke instigated by Stack Exchange

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop No. Just age.

Rory Alsop

a joke instigated by age? weird.

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop No, it's just due to your age that you have never heard about jQuery.

deed02392

@TerryChia Apply what?

AviD

@deed02392 that its not worth arguing about semantics.

He is implying that the majority of conversations here are naught but arguments about semantics.

deed02392

12:43

Isn't that sad

AviD

or rather, everything in the DMZ is a discussion of topics not worth arguing about.

I.e null value.

Simon

allo

Terry Chia

Nice! arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/…

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