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@Adnan I'm not sure if you ever got a reply from Thomas or Code, but I think so yes. Remember, we strongly suggest that salts be randomly generated and they must be globally unique to be effective.
@TildalWave I just helped the loot pinata with a migration
00:41
@AJHenderson Loot pinata?
01:02
Cosmos reboot is on NOW @ FOX!
01:50
@DavidFreitag Fox is rebooting?
they probably run Windows.
 
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06:51
morning =)
07:38
Mornin'
Morning!
08:20
one more time.
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A: Storing passwords in reversible form - a genuine use-case

tylerlIn the case you've described, you're storing information on behalf of the user, and you're not using it to authenticate the user. Hence, while the contents of what you're storing includes passwords (almost exclusively), you're not really "storing passwords" in the traditional sense. You're storin...

> And finally, my standard warning for questions like this applies. I'll write it really big:

> **The fact that you're asking this question means that you shouldn't do it**
This should be a close reason: "YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUK YOURE DOING AND YOU"RE GOING TO HURT PEOPLE."
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09:19
@Adnan I'm paranoid, so prefer 256 bit seeds and 256 bit "unique" random tokens.
But most people are fine with 128 bits.
GUID/UUID v4 is in fact a random 122 bit value
As a rule of thumb: The probability of a collision when you generate k IDs with n bits is {k^2}/{2^n}
@tylerl seems like another case for a HSM and actual physical security
Since most implementations of GUIDs are v4, everybody who uses them to generate GUIDs already relies on random 122 bit numbers being unique.
@AJHenderson the MVP to SD and VID split?
@CodesInChaos "most" being the operative word here.
09:35
Morning all
is it? IS IT???
@AviD yes
hehe morning all, what's wrong @AviD, is the coffee not kicking in?
@RоryMcCune hrrmmph. That's just your opinion.
@TildalWave oo coffee :-)
09:49
It really pulled the room together, you know
> Chuck Norris and his theological - philosophical influence on society
Interesting talk at the local tech incubator....
I'm tempted to go just to find out WTF.
 
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11:22
Happy 74th Birthday Chuck Norris! "When Alexander Bell invented the phone,he had 3 missed calls from Chuck Norris" http://t.co/2BRyYZvNmw
@TildalWave interesting series of pics on that feed.
for example, the tweetpic right below that:
A Turkish sniper, disguised as a bush, is captured by two ANZACs, in Gallipoli, c. 1915. http://t.co/3BNYyGX0aD
@AviD yup, I'm following it, I get about one really cool one per day
actually, the sniper is really Chuck Norris, and he captured the two ANZACs.
Kaaba in Makkah during the 1941 flood. http://t.co/rnF4IariTw
That's not the Kaaba, thats a portrait of Chuck Norris.
The men who raised the flag on Iwo Jima in Joe Rosenthal's iconic photo from 1945 http://t.co/FyphnFdijk
It was really Chuck Norris that raised the flag, but they decided to keep his identity a secret, so they replaced him with 6 regular soldiers.
Kurt Cobain with his flying cat http://t.co/LeT5wtqS27
The cat's not really flying, Chuck Norris kicked it. From LA.
@AviD man, you realize there's thousands of those? you're not gonna post here each one of them, are you? :P
hehe, yeah, thats enough.
Besides, Chuck Norris comment on the original Coke picture would really be distasteful.
11:28
another one that's similar is ...
@weird_hist, Planet Earth (for now)
@MIT PhD Tweeting Weird & Wonderful History ~ Author: 'Why One-Way to Mars Makes Sense': http://t.co/qIEi0JTtCa ~ Youtube: http://t.co/M9FnzsnKAd
1.2k tweets, 47.4k followers, following 35.9k users
@TildalWave oh, this wasnt about the tweets, this was about Norrisifying them all.
@chuck_facts, Behind you
Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird.
2.8k tweets, 267k followers, following 1 users
Exactly.
of course, there's a feed for that too :)
@Historical_Facts is just an alias for @ChuckNorris_Facts. All history was really Chuck Norris doing his afternoon exercise.
11:36
@AviD I see that coffee did the trick :)
heh. Quite possibly.
Also. In happier news, I managed to sort my 3D/VM issue. All is happy now.
11:56
@AviD Chuck Norris would just stack 2D VMs for as much 3D he'd want
heh
12:16
@AviD what was the eventual resolution?
kept searching, eventually found a valid, trustworthy ISO for downloading from somewhere in the wild fields of the untamed internet.
Powershell helped validate the hash.... Powershell rocks!
then, once I had that, it was possible to upgrade from Pro to Enterprise X64 pretty easily, with the license key...
@AviD powershell is da'bomb on windows platforms
@CodesInChaos Yup, I hold a similar opinion. Thanks for your input. I'll relay it in the comments
12:39
I miss Kinder Surprise, why they don't sell it anymore? :c
is that only in my country?
@Lamia We still have it in Finland
@Adnan Would u please ship some for me?
@Lamia Absolutely. I can send them as a gift, but you have to pay the shipping fees.
@Adnan No problem at all
@Lamia I'm not joking, by the way.
12:45
@Adnan Me neither, by the way.
But is it safe to ship chocolate?
I care about the chocolate itself more than the surprise. I admit. :p
@Lamia I can package it with extra safety measures. I don't know about the temperatures in the kingdom these days.
@Adnan Almost summer.
IT'S MONDAY, THE WORST DAY OF THE WEEK
IT'S MONDAY, THE DAY WHERE WE'RE ALL WEAK
IT'S MONDAY, THE TREASURE WE ALL SEEK
Doesn't make sense. I know
it does because it's super sarcastic
12:54
@Adnan Btw, I don't really understand the shipping process cause I always send my requests to my father and he does everything. hehe
@Simon Okay let's add some more and do a rap song
@Lamia Oh, I was actually picturing this as a pop song.
But rap might actually work.
@Simon As you like, u r the one suffering :P I have a day off tomorrow, I can't feel that much of hate toward Monday like u
@Lamia Is it not Monday yet where you live?
@Simon It its, and it's almost 4:00 pm here. Guess where I live?
Mars!
12:58
@Simon Correct!
Seek and you shall find :P read my conversation with Adnan and you would know
"in the kingdom" so UK?
@Simon No
wadafuk
Kingdom of Mars
Oh sorry, I had no idea that was a thing.
The red planet is kind of unknown to me.
13:02
@Simon wow, dont take this the wrong way, but have you ever heard of a map?
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@AviD I don't get how this is relevant but go on.
there ARE other kingdoms around....
@Simon It is not red, it is covered with chocolate.
@Simon We are making fun of you. How is that not relevant?
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although most shouldnt be called "THE kingdom".
13:04
@AviD The other ones must be really irrelevant.
grabs popcorn
Gotta love watching @Simon dig his own grave.
@TerryChia for the record, I was gonna be a lot harsher on that. I figured he's already feeling sore from his massive inferiority complex.
What are the other ones called, United Kingdom of Nurdz?
It is 4:00 PM in the Kingdom, u can use other things than maps to find where I live :p
@Simon check this out, it is a really cool brand new website. maps.google.com/…
13:06
IT'S MONDAY, GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK
IT'S MONDAY, I WANNA POKE @AviD WITH A RAKE
@Simon IT'S CANADUH, GIVE HIM A BREAK
@Simon I believe you could even consult Wikipedia on this one ... Hey, for your level, there is even a translation of the page!
@AviD Hahahaha!
"qq simon y u no come here nemore"
CAUSE YOU'RE ASSHOLES
@AviD That should have been a lmgtfy link instead.
13:07
@Lamia Sent you a Facebook message. Check your "Others" folder. We'll arrange the shipping stuff
I'm loving IT'S MONDAY song.
@Simon that word has been mentioned in too close proximity to discussions of rake-poking.
@TerryChia meh, lazy.
@Adnan How did u get my Facebook, I no longer use it but ok
@AviD Thank you ... I'm now stuck with that image.
@Lamia Adnan is a stalker. Simple.
13:09
@Lamia Look at that avatar. Why are you surprised he found your Facebook?
@FEichinger @Simon is a pervert. Simple.
Wow, never checked others before and I just saw it now. +99 messages :)
@FEichinger @TerryChia I remember how he found it, not that good way of stalking :P
*ping* ... *ping* ... *ping*
ahh, that was a fun use of the modhammer.
This question appears to be off-topic because it this is not a site where you say "gimme teh codez" and we write code for you. — AviD 1 min ago
@AviD - good flag-sniping :-) I was just about to close that give me teh koadz question
13:12
"because it this is not"
@AviD It won't re-fetch the comment content.
twas a typo, have fixed it in the source.
@Simon - there is a kingdom 15 miles from me... and it is a real kingdom
@FEichinger yeah, I'm seeing that :@
@AviD No you haven't!
@FEichinger look again....
13:13
@AviD MIND THE CACHING!
@TerryChia @FEichinger Ha.. ha.. ha.
@Lamia Yeah, it was long time ago. I think it was when you challenged us to find it
@Simon - http://www.visitscotland.com/destinations-maps/kingdom-fife/
"A surprisingly compact region of remarkable variety."
@Adnan Lol, and I said that u would easily find it. I almost gave my whole identity in my bio here :P
@Lamia But then I challenged you to find mine :D
@AviD - I would close this. Couple of flags/VTC. Whaddya reckon?
13:16
@RoryAlsop Didn't she say that about certain parts of @Adnan?
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Q: Snort / PulledPork event filter via modifysid.conf not filtering traffic

ThomasI'm using SecurityOnion with Snort/PulledPork/Snorby. I am getting multiple "ET POLICY Pandora Usage" alerts a minute for the same source and destination. I want to threshold these to get 1 alert per day per source. The original rule: alert tcp $HOME_NET any -> $EXTERNAL_NET $HTTP_PORTS (msg:"E...

@AviD - hahahaha
@AviD Screw you!
@RoryAlsop saw the flags, didnt really know enough to even grok the q.
TWSS @Adnan
if you think so - go for it.
@Adnan hey, I gave you the variety! Isn't that a good thing?
13:17
@RoryAlsop I wanna go there!
@Adnan I did.
@AviD YOU, OUT OF EVERYONE, TELL ME THAT?
@Simon YES? WHY NOT?
AND WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
BECAUSE
IT'S MONDAY, THE DAY WHERE YOU HATE EVERYONE
IT'S MONDAY, I DIDN'T FIND A RHYME
@Simon I wouldnt know anything about that.
Mondays in Israel are on Sunday.
13:19
wat
and, since I am self-employed, don't have a problem with those, anyway.
Weekends = Sunday + Monday?
@Simon weekend here is Friday and Saturday.
So first day back at work is Sunday....
o
WHAT IS THIS SORCERY?
@Simon your calendar math is pathetic.
@Simon Work week is Sunday thru Thursday?
13:20
Give me a damn break, I don't care that much to think about it and
I really don't know how to explain this any better.
IT'S MONDAY
Same here in The kingdom, Friday and Saturday
WEDNESDAY
@Lamia heehee, "the kingdom"
13:21
Time to listen to sad love songs while I'm working because
IT'S MONDAY
and I'm a giant pussy
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@Simon I feel like dancing on that song, u really need to finish it
@Lamia Some parts of the far east are also different. East Europe / USSR used to have a 6 day week. Seriously, this whole Saturday-Sunday off thing is so Western Catholic -centric.
@Lamia I'll try to finish it up this evening.
<3
HEEEYYY you guys!!!! @Simon finally posted a song that didnt suck so hard it made me want to pour boiling acid into my ears!
:)
Beautiful song
13:24
Welcome to music, @Simon.
@Lamia You didn't!
You've just found it because I messaged you
@AviD This is the kind of stuff I used to listen to back then.
@Simon so, nothing good?
le fu-
@AviD First time I hear of it, why 6 days!
13:25
just because I said it didnt suck hard, doesnt mean it was good.
@Simon Tom has a nice voice.
@Simon Yeah, so I did find it. :P
@AviD First time I hear of it, why 6 days!
Boom in the others
@TerryChia Fuck yes he does.
Huge blink182 fan here btw.
@Lamia hmm, I think that should have been 5-day week. hang on....
13:26
Ya me too. I still listen to their tracks quite often.
They're classics.
I Miss You. Best song by them ever.
any one good with excel here?
@TerryChia Yeah. What's the name of the other guy who's singing it, Mark I believe? He has a nice voice too.
@jackopen That would be @Iszi.
@Simon Mark Hopper. Yes.
+44 has some good songs.
13:28
@Iszi hi
@jackopen I can type stuff into excel. I can also colorize the cells
@Adnan Are you able to subtract 2 cells?
@Adnan Wow... :)
@Adnan can you extract the results which are shown by "Find" search query.
13:29
@TerryChia I'll check it out.
@Simon
Ya it's a nice song too but I'm in a softer mood this morning ^^
because
IT'S MONDAY
Oh, Bowling for Soup has some hilarious songs as well.
This one is especially funny.
@Simon @Lamia I can even add more than two cells together.
Yeah... I'm the Mastör
@AviD This is kinda weird... I couldn't do the math.
13:32
@Adnan Wow. Such Excel. Much pro.
@Adnan Please teach me.
@Lamia yeah, exactly.
@Adnan yes, I heard you ARE the mastur
@AviD Mastör Batör?
@jackopen Depending on what you're trying to do, VLOOKUP might be more appropriate.
@TildalWave yeah, RoryAlsop and I both got to whack the swag pinata from that
13:40
@Iszi vlookup has very restriction
@AJHenderson that sounds fun. You sick puppy.
A1:You A2:are A3:here
if i search by "e" it will show are & here
i want to extract those words out
are & here
& list them down
somewhere else
So the IRC channel I'm in started to discuss packaging options for a python library and I realize for the 10,0001 time what a clusterfuck python packaging is. /sigh
@Iszi
@jackopen There's some other fancy things you can do with the cell that gets hit in a search, I think there's a function called CELL that you might be interested in. Not sure that's the proper name, and unfortunately I'm a bit busy ATM.
13:45
@Iszi because
IT'S MONDAY
@TerryChia try perl packages if you think python is a mess
though I admit I've never tried python packages
@Iszi we can talk later
@jackopen you might be able to get an answer by asking on superuser.com
@AJHenderson unfortunately i am banned from SU
@AJHenderson how are you?
13:51
other than SO/SE chat , IRC chat which are good resources?
for chatting about programming.softwares etcc.. stuffs
i dont think github has a chat module!!
reddit uses irc again!!
which are other alternates you may know?
which are good online web scrapper & web crawlers?
@jackopen "unfortunately"? This is not something that happens because of "bad luck", it was not "in your fortunes". It is a direct result of something bad you did.
How the fuck do you get banned from SE?
@AviD bad or good cant be decided by human i beleive so
@jackopen Really? Because that is exactly what the moderators are empowered to do, by the standards of the community.
@AviD i guess it is revenge only nothing else
i have already put my views eaerlier also
13:59
Revenge implies that you've done something that might be worth taking revenge on.
Or, are you talking ethics? Good and bad are directly relevant to the good of mankind, which consists of humans.
@jackopen Highly unlikely.
@Simon @AviD could be my opinion dont like most of poeple!!!
Well, this took an interesting turn.
Maaaaybe if you were talking about Server Fault....
Since it's not a site ban on SU (according to your account profile), it's probably an automatic post ban.
14:01
or it could be because
IT'S MONDAY
@jackopen, you're new in the room, and I dont want you to feel like we are all hostile here - but coming in to a new community, which is based on the same model as the other one, with that attitude? I suggest a full realignment with the standards of this community, before the effects spread.
@jackopen - I'd also highlight that the point of this chatroom is (admittedly rather indirectly) IT Security. We vary quite a bit from that as we're a friendly, chatty, bunch, but it doesn't mean that the purpose of the room is just to answer general purpose questions that are unrelated. If you start trying to make it your personal answer service, it is highly likely people in the room will end up rubbed the wrong way. Just a word of caution on internet etiquette.
and that isn't in any way meant hostilely
just a word of warning about how groups of people on the internet tend to behave
but it's monday :(
(and in RL for that matter)
especially if you are trying to use us as a proxy for a site on which you are being punished for your actions.
14:06
wat
put more simply, if you are constantly driving the topic of conversation in a direction that the group isn't interested in, then eventually the group ignores you. This group is based around both IT Security and the interpersonal relationships of regulars at IT Security
FTR we've had a few of those here - completely offtopic, but the poster specifically noted that he cannot post on SU so he's asking here instead.... probably hoping we would migrrate it, or he'd pick up an answer before getting hammered.
@AJHenderson is that even a word?
@AviD DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME ON ME YOU'RE ALREADY THE VOICE INSIDE MY HEAD
I thought you were the voice in MY head??
Whew. It's a relief to realize that even I am not that mucked up.
14:09
also, don't assume just because you get an answer the first time you ask, that it means it is ok. Most people are generally helpful and will humor the occasional random question, but don't like being flooded with them. If it's a topic they are genuinely interested in, then it's less likely to be a problem though. (Hence the advice about keeping what the topics groups are based around in mind)
@AviD Huh. I never thought about that case actually. What happens if the question gets migrated?
@AviD probably not
@AviD Am I responsible for the evil thoughts that go through your mind?
@TerryChia It doesnt.
I'm a software developer, not an English major :)
14:10
@AviD Ah, no migrate options available?
which means I actually can get a job and can make up my own words without having a seizure
I must say I have never come across this particular case.
@TerryChia and kudos to the SE devs that sussed that mitigation bypass, and blocked it.
S: (adv) belligerently, hostilely (with hostility; in a belligerent hostile manner) "he pushed her against the wall belligerently"
14:11
@AJHenderson You learnt well from Barney Stinson I see.
@TerryChia yeah. If a mod tries to force it, it gets refused .
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A: What does "trollpoking" mean?

AviDAs the author of that example, and as one who has no recollection of the incident whatsoever, I will admit that I am amused by this. I did find the answers here enlightening, but @IconDaemon was closest: Trollpoking, or poking the troll, is along the lines of "Don't feed the troll", but with ...

shouldnt stop you from coining a brand new phrase ;-)
@AviD hmm, interesting
@TerryChia we did just have a few last couple weeks.
Just when I was about to conclude that this Monday morning couldn't get worse, @copy walks in.
@Simon That's what we all say. Except s/@copy/@Simon.
14:13
One day I'll understand reddit, one day.
@Simon Is that how long your futile sense of understanding lasts? Just one day?
@Simon :-(
@Simon that same day you'll be committed
@copy Oh come on, since when you won't retaliate?
THE OTHER 2 LE FU NOT REPLYING
@AviD did you see I had posted a wee bit on TL regarding individuals asking questions in chat...
14:15
@AJHenderson heh, was gonna ask
@Simon @TerryChia did that for me already. Thanks @TerryChia
@RoryAlsop nope?
Just a couple of minutes back - not overly important as you have already spotted it
Would do a link for you but mobile
So, yesterday I needed to get some work done but instead I watched Conan O'Brien review video games for 1 hour
youtube.com/watch?v=xCe8-1dbXZc <- in case someone here is bored
which are good books about internet technologues?
14:22
@TerryChia Sweetie, question about Twitter. If I mention somebody in my tweet, and my tweets are private, and they're not a follower of mine, will they see it?
@Adnan No.
@TerryChia So I have to direct message them. Alright
@AviD - ah - AJH pinged you :-)
yeah, thatll do it.
I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THOSE LYRICS LOL
14:26
@Adnan If I'm not mistaken, that requires them to follow you anyway.
@Simon Hahaha! Love that song!
@TerryChia One comment on your answer about hiding the version number. I don't think it's correct to call that "security by obscurity". The phrase has the built-in implication that the obscurity used as a mean to accomplish security and not just to complement proper security. I think what the OP is doing is just obscurity. If that's the only security measure they have, then it's security by obscurity.
The first verse is so fucking accurate LOL
@TerryChia So, I only disagree with the part that says "This is what is known as security by obscurity", because it's not.
@FEichinger Oho! I didn't know that. Hmmm.. that sucks.
@Simon What's My Age Again can be your theme song actually.
@Adnan I see your point, what do you think I should change it to?
14:29
@TerryChia Oh definitely.
"You made me nervous so I really can't eat" <-- my life
@TerryChia Something like "If that's your only security measure, then it's...". In that case, you don't have to change other parts of the answer.
Or something else you see fit
@TerryChia Also, the question should be closed as a dupe
@Adnan Ahh, nice.
@Adnan Done.
@TerryChia And I turned 23, rofl.
@TerryChia Fantastic
What do the SO mods usually do? I have a mod flag active since Feb 25 at 15:45.
14:45
@Adnan I think the flag SLA is 6-8 weeks.
there is a genuine craptonne of modflags there.
I think they were talking about handling around 100-150 modflags per mod per day.
not counting high-rep-user flags.
@AviD Remember how the Arqade mods were complaining about kalina adding 100 flags a day to the queue? :P
yeah...
15:02
@RoryAlsop I sometimes think my video mod makes more of a difference in chat than on video production
@AJHenderson omgawd ublue?!? we go on a date ok ty bibi
see people making good use of the new gTLD's...
15:20
@Simon how did you miss everyone freaking out in here when my name first went blue?
I even made lame pop song references
@AJHenderson How did you miss my absence?
@Simon I was too busy celebrating ;)
I'll leave it up to your imagination what I was celebrating
15:40
@Adnan okay I just found irrefutable, scientific proof that AngularJS objectively sucks:
> Before you can build AngularJS, you must install and configure the following dependencies on your machine:
...
Node.js: We use Node to generate the documentation, run a development web server, run tests, and generate distributable files. Depending on your system, you can install Node either from source or as a pre-packaged bundle.
15:51
Oh, rep cap. Neat.
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