The DMZ

Rory Alsop

12:08

@tildal - I would suspect dodgy capacitors, so probably fixable. Can you open it up? Worth asking over in Electronics.SE though

@Lucas - awright?

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop Yeah I would ask there but I can't open the bloody thing it's all in one piece with nothing to remove, unless I crack it open LOL

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop yep yep all good ^^ wby?

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop BTW when you delete a question by an obvious troll but the question had a decent enough answer to it (that the troll wouldn't accept but with upvotes otherwise), do you contact the answerer and "apologize" for deleting the thread, or just leave it be?

AviD

@TildalWave sounds like it might be overheating? try placing it in an open, airy place.

@TildalWave scold him for feeding the troll.

Simon

@AviD Are you implying that I moved with my ex too quickly?!?

TildalWave

12:14

@AviD yup I did, but last time it did this to me it took nearly a day to cool down... I though maybe there's some other option like an automated circuit breaker in the router that I could just bypass or manually reset

AviD

@Simon at your age, everything is too quickly.

and it was @Adnan implying stuff, not me.

Terry Chia

@AviD Typical @Adnan.

AviD

@TildalWave doesnt sound like it has anything to do with the router, its the brick - but then, I know nothing about electronics or electricity.

Simon

@AviD Like dawn comes too quickly.

TildalWave

@AviD wasn't like that, he was not feeding the troll really... it was just someone that wanted proof that we actually went to space and when we gave him tons of proof he said that's not eyewitness accounts ... so I decided to delete it all because he'll obviously then have to go seek "evidence" on his own, if he can't believe anything from "the guys on the internet"

AviD

12:16

(okay, not nothing, but very little - so I would not suppose to give non-experience-based advice)

Rory Alsop

@tildal - ah, it actually is physically heating up? Scratch my previous answer. Replace it before it catches fire

and it definitely is the brick

AviD

@TildalWave hahaha, thats funny

Adnan

@AviD I wasn't, it was that idiot @Terry

AviD

@RoryAlsop @TildalWave or just place it in your lap when you plug in.

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop hmmm yes... the thing is it doesn't get THAT hot... just warm-ish but obviously I was moving it around too much or something and didn't like it

AviD

12:17

@Adnan typical @Terry.

TildalWave

@AviD hahaha

Adnan

@AviD If it's with the real characters, I'd watch it. I'd like to see some Ygritte action

AviD

@Adnan truth is, a porn version of Game of Thrones is.... Game of Thrones.

@Adnan but oh yeah, Ygritte is fiiiiine.

Dem scottish redheads.

Terry Chia

@AviD You know nothing, @AviD.

Rory Alsop

@Simon - does she indeed?

AviD

12:19

@RoryAlsop lol

TildalWave

@AviD She's Scottish? moves to Scotland

AviD

cant believe I missed that...

Adnan

@AviD Ahhh

Rory Alsop

@AviD - over here we call 'em gingers and we laugh at them (cv my lead singer :-)

AviD

@TildalWave oh yeah. The actress, but also the character - Wildlings from the north? that's totally a reference to Scotland.

@RoryAlsop Rude... and not ginger??

kalina

12:20

BOREDOM STRIKES

.oO( BORRRRRRREDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM )

AviD

@RoryAlsop Thought you lot wanted to BE ginger.

kalina

why would anybody actually want to be ginger?

AviD

@kalina have you SEEN ygritte??

Adnan

God damn it! Haven't met a single Scottish girl in Finland. Sucks!

AviD

redheads are hawt.

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Adnan

12:21

@kalina Only to be the single sexist breed on earth!

kalina

@AviD not really into girls to be fair

I did my experimenting

AviD

@Adnan yeah, they got it cold enough at home, dont need to travel to finland for that.

Adnan

@AviD Now that.. that, I can star.

Rory Alsop

@AviD - Erik is seriously ginger. And on stage he adds more orange - to glow under the UV stage lights

AviD

@kalina Jaws drop. Silence ensues while everyone pictures that.

Adnan

12:22

@AviD Ewwww.. it's @kalina! Why would you wanna picture that?

kalina

@AviD eh, it shouldn't be a surprise

Rory Alsop

pfft - you kids
and @AviD
and @Adnan

kalina

pfff you old people

well... all of you

Adnan

Why would anyone want to picture that?

Rory Alsop

hahahaha

Adnan

12:23

Hehehe.. old people, that's a great understatement when addressing @RoryA

Rory Alsop

@Adnan - I'm guessing the pony is not actually a photo, but what we call an avatar

kalina

@RoryAlsop you would guess correctly

Adnan

@RoryAlsop But, still.. I mean.. her!

kalina

as much as I wish I had wings in real life, I am in fact a human

because lets face it, having wings would be awesome

Rory Alsop

well, duh!

Lucas Kauffman

12:24

►

Playing at the office ^^

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Fuck yea!

Rory Alsop

some of the most awesome moments have been flying gliders, with mellow music on my headphones (Pink Floyd - it was the chill out stuff back before you were born) through clouds and circling in thermals with eagles

Adnan

@RoryAlsop You flew a glider? Is there anything you haven't done, Rory?

Rory Alsop

nope

nothing

I invented everything and am in fact ubiquitous

:-)

(some of the above may not be 100% accurate)

kalina

@RoryAlsop if you, in fact, invented everything

please explain to me

Terry Chia

12:26

@RoryAlsop Except Cryptography. We all know that is the domain of The Bear.

Rory Alsop

well, I said not 100%

kalina

how did you know what electricity was when you first invented it, since no electrical devices existed?

Terry Chia

@kalina 42

Adnan

@TerryChia 24

Rory Alsop

@kalina - it tingled

kalina

12:27

42 is not a valid answer in this instance

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop cracked.com/article_16032_the-25-most-disturbing-sex-toys.html

Sick mind you have!

Rory Alsop

@Lucas - I can't follow that link...

as well you know

Terry Chia

btw, @RoryAlsop. Got a chance to review that blog post?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Who went through my closet?

kalina

@LucasKauffman clicks link ... probably about to be damaged for life

Simon

12:28

@RoryAlsop What's that?

AviD

@RoryAlsop so you are responsible for donkey humping?

Simon

GUYS, PHP 5.5.5 has been released!!!! I bet they added a comment to 5.5.4 and recompiled.

Adnan

@AviD No, that's on @poly

Terry Chia

@Simon How many unit test failed this time?

Adnan

@Simon recompiled? How silly of you!

Simon

12:29

@TerryChia Probably over 9000.

@Adnan WHATEVS.

kalina

yep, pretty damaged for life

Terry Chia

@Simon That would imply they had 9000 unit test written. Not likely.

Adnan

@Simon They just hex-edit the binaries

Simon

@Adnan blablablabla

kalina

and then I look at chat and see @Simon mentioning a new version of PHP, puts it all into perspective

Terry Chia

12:30

@Adnan What? No.

Polynomial

@Adnan I did no such donkey humping.

Terry Chia

They just run ./increment-version.sh.

Adnan

@TerryChia :|

Simon

.sh? It's definitely a PHP script, duh.

Scott Pack

++PHP;

Adnan

12:31

@kalina So there is something more damaging than me?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Not in chat.SE.

Simon

@Adnan My wiener.

kalina

@Adnan even a new version of PHP is less damaging than you

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AviD

@Simon nah, thats not going to get very far.

Simon

dayum

Adnan

12:31

@kalina Ouch

Simon

@AviD I know :(

kalina

@Adnan here's some water, put yourself out

Terry Chia

@kalina Damn, that's good.

AviD

@kalina @Adnan cheez, you guys, get a room.

Adnan

@kalina Oh no, that's my permanent state. Always on fire.

Terry Chia

12:32

/cc @AviD Can we get that pinned?

Scott Pack

@kalina Mocking PHP and @Adnan? Slip a bear in there and you've just about hit all the room memes.

Adnan

Yeah, some cheezy stuff right here.

kalina

@ScottPack yay I fit in

Terry Chia

We should rotate the @Adnan mocking daily.

Stack Exchange

Stack Exchange Security Blog: Debunking SQRL

Terry Chia on October 17, 2013

This blog post is inspired by a question on Information Security Stack Exchange about two weeks ago. The question seems to have attracted quite a bit of attention (some of it in an attempt to defend the flawed scheme) so I would like to write a more thorough analysis of the scheme.

Let us start by discussing the current standard for authentication. Passwords. No one is arguing that passwords are perfect. Far from it. Passwords, at least passwords in use by most people are incredibly weak. Short, predictable, easy to guess. This problem is made worse by the fact that most applications do not sto …

Adnan

12:33

I was a respected member of this community before @kalina arrived.

@AviD Ewww!

kalina

@AviD he's not good enough for me

AviD

@Adnan ahh, 3rd grade flirting. Now pull her hair!

Adnan

@kalina Lucky for me!

Rory Alsop

@Terry - minor edits only. Spelling. I see you had a draft saved separately - shall I just delete that one?

kalina

touch my hair, eat through a straw for the rest of your life

Terry Chia

12:34

@Adnan That's what you get for flagging random crap. :)

Scott Pack

Debunking squirrel?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Yup, sure. Thanks. :)

Rory Alsop

I invented that

AviD

@ScottPack Squirrel Girl!

Scott Pack

@Adnan I wouldn't say respected, Bob.

AviD

12:34

Squirrel Girl

Squirrel Girl, real name Doreen Green, is a fictional character and superheroine in the . Her first appearance was in Marvel Super-Heroes vol. 2, #8, a.k.a. Marvel Super-Heroes Winter Special (cover-dated Jan. 1992), in a story plotted and drawn by Steve Ditko and scripted by character conceptualizer Will Murray. Her ability to control squirrels is surprisingly effective and has allowed her to defeat major supervillains. She was a member of the Great Lakes Avengers for much of the duration of that group, and later began serving as nanny to Danielle Cage, the daughter of Luke Cage and Jess...

Scott Pack

Hey look @Simon. Another comic book nerd.

Simon

nurdz

Scott Pack

@AviD You missed WrongRory and I waffling on yesterday.

Also. I'm reading through that Cracked article.

AviD

?

Scott Pack

Wow.

Rory McCune

12:35

@ScottPack reminds me of youtube.com/watch?v=290sa-PRZmc

kalina

@TerryChia this so much, just think, if he hadn't abused flags, I wouldn't even be here

Scott Pack

I'm sorry, that was somewhat funny. It can't have been Red Dwarf. Must have been a public access spoof.

kalina

from this we can conclude that everything is in fact @Adnan's fault

3

Scott Pack

Except for the rubber fisting mit. I don't want to blame that on him.

Terry Chia

@kalina You are just getting better and better aren't you?

Simon

12:38

Great job, @Adnan.

@TerryChia Remember, 2 weeks is too early.

Rory Alsop

let me get this straight - did I invent @Adnan? That's not going to look good on my CV

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop No, @Adnan is the corruption of normal humans. Sort of like elves and orcs.

kalina

thesixthaxis.com/2013/10/16/…

Jokes on you, The Sun

Scott Pack

Saw that on Failblog. Good stuff.

M'vy

:P

Scott Pack

12:41

Oh, @Polynomial. There's a gas mask for you.

Adnan

Great. So now I'm the new @Simon

Simon

@Adnan Ha! I wonder who was me before I came here.

Adnan

Jumalauta!!

Polynomial

@ScottPack Where

Scott Pack

@Polynomial Scroll down to #4 cracked.com/…

Terry Chia

12:43

@M'vy Bad timing. :P

The DMZ got weird again.

Polynomial

@ScottPack hahaha

I know a guy who collects that kinda stuff

Scott Pack

Of course you do.

Adnan

@TerryChia You mean The DMZ is back to normal again?

M'vy

XD

Terry Chia

@Polynomial Sure. "a guy".

Scott Pack

12:44

Oh, how are your new windows?

M'vy

What's "normal" BTW?

Also: hi

Polynomial

@ScottPack Windowy.

Scott Pack

@M'vy You defended, yes?

kalina

@M'vy it's not "Normal" at the moment because there isn't an @Adnan insult anywhere visible in the main chat frame at the moment

Adnan

@M'vy You chose the wrong time to come here.

M'vy

12:45

@ScottPack Yep, a year afo almost now

Scott Pack

Seriously.

Then where the hell have you been?

Terry Chia

@kalina We gotta fix that!

Hey @Adnan, you suck!!!

M'vy

@ScottPack well i finish my teaching contract until june, then took like 2 months vacations

Now I'm looking for a suitable job

Scott Pack

@M'vy Any leads?

M'vy

@ScottPack Went to Ireland a month ago for appoinment

But it's a no go.

Sent dozen of CV, merely 2 answers so far

And Job site does not understand what's a Ph.D is anyway...

@Adnan It's seems like it's always that way these days ^^

Rory Alsop

12:50

@Scott - can you post a pic of the gas mask. I am always on the lookout for masks for my bass player

Scott Pack

errr...ok

Rory Alsop

ahhh
maybe not

M'vy

Oh com'on

Simon

SOME PEOPLE HERE ARE AT WORK

M'vy

XD

Scott Pack

12:50

You sure?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Kinky choice for a Christmas present.

AviD

@RoryAlsop right, that's a mask for lead singer.

Simon

THANK YOU.

Rory Alsop

I should have guessed anything from cracked would not be SFW

Polynomial

pretty much everything is safe for my work

but yeah that was borderline

Rory Alsop

12:51

pffft - you dun well @Poly

pretty much nothing is for my work

M'vy

@AviD you mean, it was a microphone she was holding?

^^

AviD

@M'vy that was a she?

M'vy

@AviD well, Idk, but I take that as default. Or else, it would Really be creepy ^^

AviD

because that way its not???

M'vy

and he/she seemed to have long hair

@AviD it's less :)

Simon

12:53

The gender of whoever's wearing that doesn't change the creepiness at all.

Scott Pack

I'm with @Simon here.

M'vy

@Simon you might have a point

AviD

@Simon seems to have given a lot of thought to this.

Polynomial

@Simon is clearly defending the use of wangmasks.

Simon

@AviD I'm very philosophical when I don't sleep, which means all the time.

kalina

12:55

“I’m glad Sony decided to go with 8GB RAM because it means that the PS4 will out-power most PCs for years to come.” - Just Cause developer

Simon

@Polynomial Brits never understand what I say.

Polynomial

@kalina heuheuheuheu

Simon

@kalina huhuhuhuh

Scott Pack

@kalina OH, they said PCs. My 16GB MacBookPro isn't a PC.

kalina

Using his logic, my PC is twice as powerful as the next generation of consoles with 16GB of RAM

M'vy

12:55

@kalina huhu

Terry Chia

Isn't the RAM in the PS4 GDDR5 though?

kalina

@ScottPack PC = Personal Computer, a Mac is a PC

Simon

@kalina Brag about it.

Scott Pack

@kalina Get. Out.

kalina

A Mac is also technically an "IBM compatible" PC as well, now

so, believe what you want to

Terry Chia

12:56

The statement is bullshit nevertheless, but you can't really compare it with a normal PC.

Scott Pack

I, at least, remember the days of the XT.

AviD

you apple hipsters should realize that @kalina is 100% right.

Always bothered me about those commericals...

Scott Pack

@AviD Honestly, so was I.

AviD

@ScottPack ahh, I remember my XT fondly.

Simon

I wasn't bothered by that because I have better things to do.

GRUMPY SIMON IS BACK.

AviD

12:58

@Simon #8?

Terry Chia

Still sucks that the Haswell MBA cannot be configured for 16GB of RAM.

Simon

@AviD wut

AviD

@Simon from the cracked article....

Simon

@AviD Post the pic and quickly delete it.

Rory Alsop

just cos you guys can view it at work - you with your lairs, and your friendly hacker environments

AviD

12:59

hehe, nooooo

Terry Chia

Also, have you guys seen the iMessage stuff from HITB?

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Is it still a lair if I'm on the 2nd floor?

@RoryAlsop I do have an IKEA futon in here.

kalina

@AviD yay, I like being technically right

Scott Pack

Well. I was just about to pay for Pandora, and noticed the form they use to collect CC info doesn't appear to use ssl.

AviD

@ScottPack sweet. We need to put a couch in here too. Just need to find one that opens into a comfortable guest bed.

Rory Alsop

13:01

@Scott - lairs can even be airborne, and have angora couches. Of course that would be an Air hair lair (English Received Pronunciation joke...sorry)

Simon

Did you guys see the goldigger prank video?

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Pandora doesn't use Paypal? Surprising.

Scott Pack

@AviD That's what this is. It's not overly comfortable as a couch, because the seat part is too deep, but it actually has springs.

AviD

►

Scott Pack

@TerryChia They do support paypal, but I'm not sure I know the ole lady's codes.

i mean, there's lots of divs and javascript, so maybe the post action called by teh submit button goes over an encrypted channel, but I'm not seeing it yet.

Terry Chia

13:14

@ScottPack Is the form in an <iframe>?

Also, thoughts?

Scott Pack

Not that I can find.

Terry Chia

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Q: Is it possible to use a GPG or SSH key for web based authentication in a secure fashion?

Let's say hypothetically I am writing a web application targeting technically inclined, security-conscious users who have no problems generating and using GPG or SSH keys. Is it possible to use said keys to authenticate with a web application in a secure fashion to replace traditional password-b...

Scott Pack

I'm using the Firefox built in inspector to look at it. All I can see linked to that button is the CSS. I haven't been able to figure out what happens when you click it.

Granted, this isn't exactly my strong suit either.

@TerryChia I don't see why not. In that respect they are functionally identical to SSL certificates. The trust model is the biggest difference.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Man, I can't even take a look at it. Pandora is blocked in my country and I don't have a VPN. :P

M'vy

@TerryChia I like the idea,but not sure it can be done with browser as is

Scott Pack

13:16

SSL uses a trust chain, GPG uses a trust web, and SSH uses a direct trust.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack That's what I'm thinking, yeah. Just unsure if a browser can access a GPG keychain or an SSH key file.

M'vy

@TerryChia with the right extension, I think it could

Scott Pack

In all respects they're different implementations of PKI, so sure. But, like @M'vy said, the hard part is making it actually use them.

Terry Chia

@M'vy Indeed. Hence the question. :) Hoping for some Bear knowledge.

Scott Pack

I remember using a browser plugin for Firefox to do GPG in gmail. So, yes, it is possible.

M'vy

13:17

@ScottPack Enigma

Scott Pack

Hell, on OSX all of those different keys get stored in your keychain which any app can request access to.

AviD

@ScottPack thats not good enough. Rookie mistake.

Scott Pack

@M'vy I'm not that old. Jerkface.

@AviD mrr?

AviD

the posting to ssl from a non-ssl page.

think we've had some questions on that...

M'vy

@ScottPack My bad I meant: enigmail :)

Scott Pack

13:19

@AviD Probably, but that sounds like application stuff that I usually just zone out on.

AviD

heh.

Scott Pack

@AviD I'm not hoping for perfect either, though. In this situation I'm not as worried about malicious hijacking than I am the channel being in the clear.

Sure, an ssl iframe can be futzed with, but this sure looks like there is no ssl at all.

AviD

13:42

Arrgghhh. Teenagers. I'm going to go hammerclose some innocent questions.

Simon

I got mad yesterday.

At the silly questions/duplicates.

Terry Chia

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

Simon

That happened quite a few times.

kalina

you guys give me so many stars

but I want more

I need the silver badge

GIF ME MOAR

thinks

@Adnan is great

Terry Chia

@kalina nah

Simon

13:51

Pfft, amateur. I got my silver badge so quickly.

M'vy

@kalina Are you redefining the concept of rep-whore to star-whore?

kalina

@M'vy I am princess star bait, it is my job to collect all of the stars

by my reckoning I only need 2 additional users to star my pinned message to win at the internet

Polynomial

@kalina I guess it's better than being "princess jail bait"

kalina

I think there are still parts of the world where I would be considered under the legal age

Polynomial

which has different connotations entirely

kalina

13:52

but the list of places that is true is dropping rapidly every year

Polynomial

age of consent doesn't exceed 20 anywhere as far as I know of.

kalina

well damn

now I feel old

Polynomial

lowest one is 9, I think

excluding countries that don't have age of consent (those ones usually have other stipulations)

Simon

@kalina You're definitely 19.

Polynomial

I think it's still 11 in Japan, iirc.

kalina

13:54

@Simon I'm 20

Simon

Man, I was close.

Polynomial

@kalina I'm a half-decade older, so don't complain about feeling old.

Simon

And figured that you were a Mini-Poly AKA Brit.

Terry Chia

@Polynomial Shall we bring @RoryAlsop into the conversation?

kalina

I will answer 19 for at least the next 3-4 years though in the real world though

Simon

13:55

I still can't believe that I'm 22, time flew by like a fucking jet.

Polynomial

@TerryChia He'll certainly knock us all down a few pegs for talking about "feeling old" ;]

@Simon the next 3 years go even faster

before I know it I'll be 30

fuck that

Simon

@Polynomial UGH.

kalina

my understanding is that @RoryAlsop is old enough to be my grandfather

Simon

But I guess it means that we're having a good life, right?

Polynomial

@kalina not quite that old. he's certainly old enough to be your dad.

kalina

13:56

@Polynomial most people in here are old enough to be my dad, it's hardly an achievement

Simon

I'm assuming that time doesn't fly by when you're unhappy.

Terry Chia

@Polynomial Heh. ;)

Polynomial

@kalina well he'd have to be 56 to qualify as "old enough to be your grandad"

kalina

@Polynomial nope, anywhere 30+ is old enough to be my dad

Polynomial

grandad.

kalina

13:57

anything 40+ is technically old enough to be my grandad

Polynomial

can't spell ¬_¬

Terry Chia

Reading the last few lines in the context of The DMZ is just weird. ;)

Polynomial

technically 38 is old enough.

AviD

@Simon we dont believe it either.

Simon

@AviD I'm 13.

Rory Alsop

13:58

@Kalina - as I'm more than double your age...yes

AviD

@Polynomial @RoryAlsop IS old. He doesn't FEEL old.

That's my department.

Rory Alsop

lol

AviD

As I always say - how old you feel is not about age, it's about how many kids you have.

Simon

@AviD Damn right.

Polynomial

tbf RoryA doesn't look older than late 30s anyway

lucky git

Simon

13:59

^

Polynomial

@RoryAlsop you've met Freakyclown, right?

Rory Alsop

(adds beers to my 'I owe @Poly' list :-)

yep - I have

Polynomial

haha

guess his age

AviD

@Polynomial practically a late teenager.

Scott Pack

@Polynomial I really enjoyed turning 30. Being able to say, "Back in my 20s" was pretty cool.

AviD

13:59

@Polynomial 48

Rory Alsop

@Poly - I would have said about my age, but the fact that you are asking me makes me doubt that

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