On second thoughts this is not the generic problem of evil... or rather maybe I never considered the sociological aspects of the problem of evil sufficiently
@Zanna Just for sharing knowledge and not to offend anyone. Yesterday I read that India's export and GDP was way too big than England which was the most prosperous nation in Europe back then. England wanted to extend their export and suppress India's. Also Indians had higher living standards and Britishers which might have made them little uneasy.
So, I guess that was the feeling of getting everything you can ever have and letting no other nation to have better economy and living standards than their own.
I have read about this balance of exports thing (I mean as a generic economic concept) but I can never get my head round it for more than a day after reading the book
I can't really empathise with the desire for prestige, you know? I don't feel that. But maybe that had a role
there is a classic "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa" by Walter Rodney
He describes how the slavery era gave way to the colonial era which enriched the metropoles much more
@Kulfy sure, but I wonder about the underlying mechanisms, the whole political economy of a country... I think there have to be some more basic drivers
I even read one thing. Once someone (I don't remember the name) said that North Indians and South Indians are very much different, they may have differences in them but what unites then is the hatred for British.
There were many things happened in the history. But what bothers me the most is the budget for education during British era and stereotyping Indians as snake charmer (really??)
India used to have gurukuls back then. These gurukuls used to run on donation by government/princes of territory. These gurukuls provided education about Vedas, purans and shashtra vidhya (art of using various weapons)
Hindus used to attend gurukuls, Muslims attended madarsas. During British rule the donation start declining. British started schools.
what I meant about doubting the desire for prestige being the main driver is that the colonial worldview necessarily dehumanises the colonised. I mean it would be impossible to consider oneself to have the right to take all the resources someone else is using if one considered them to be a fellow being, I think? But white supremacy and orientalism (as a system of knowledge, with an oppressive purpose) understood as an invention of the slavery/colonial project and not vice versa.
But still they spend less than half of the budget of New York City (might have heard many times). There was lack of awareness for education and they could've done more to spread awareness.
Literacy rate increased very (literally very) slowly.
Mountbatten's wife had plan to improve the situation but then Indian British Empire was dissolved.
@Zanna Yeah. All have their own version of History. Since you are in India. Pick any 2 random books about British India and start reading. You'll know the difference.
British were very smart when they ruled India. They understood the diversity and took the advantage of it. They slowly started dividing people. For example see how unfortunate it is that people of Tamilnadu happily study English but not Hindi and they hate this language itself. Hindi was supposed to be introduced as common language for India. This is just an example. Things like these are not one day job, it took its own time. And over the time it happened.
Tamilians thought that why should we study their language, why can't they study ours. And same goes for North Indians. On the other hand English was new both for North and South which could improve communication between the two areas. Actually English was introduced as official language until 1965 but then they dropped the plan. I agree with them too. If I consider my first statement and Hindi was to be "enforced" to them it was merely language chauvinism which might cause further riots.
@TheLittleNaruto Learning a new language is always hard. I know I was trying to learn French and sometimes I get frustrated due to pronunciation. Like Comment in English is not same as in French. :/
@TheLittleNaruto Because that foreign language is to be "enforced" on both sides, i.e. North and South. While Hindi is the mother tongue of most people in North, so no problem for northerners but huge problem for southerners.
@TheLittleNaruto Germany's area is small. Language differences occurs when areas are large and apart. China's habitable area is small as compared to it's total area. Still Tibetan language is different from China's official language
I would have Europe itself, not Germany, be an analogue for India. In Europe you have a whole bunch of little language groups that have squabbled over their little patches killing each other for centuries. Language drawing bloody borders. In India there is something else :)
@TheLittleNaruto Some who hate BJP from TN actually triggering a fire between Hindi v Tamil. But ordinary people do not get involved in this..... They stick to own language of Tamil and stay silent....etc... Anti BJPs are too much here causing riots
@TheLittleNaruto Indeed. Actually you see that from your perspective and I see that from my perspective. So different opinions are natural. But sometimes I like these healthy debates. I get to know what other people think. What's their perspective?
@Kulfy I dont like debates because Truth is different from our thinking always especially in todays westernized world. We dont perceive things as they are. We form view about it. So I dont like debates
@Kulfy Only few. Entire South India is not Dravidanadu and not all South Indians are Dravidians. Telangana (especiallyHyderabad) speaks Urdu/Hindi fluently like Telugu. North Karnataka districts which were once part of Hyderabad state too also has no problem with Hindi. Most of the kannadigas, Telugus and Malayalis also don't have problem with Sanskrit and these three languages contain more Sanskrit words than Hindi.
@TheDestroyer I dont like what others think about anything. Truth will remain truth always. Tamil language given by Kartikeya, Muruga. So "KANDHANUKU HARO HARA"
@AkshayS I think It might not be Tamil per se. Some language that later developed into multiple languages like Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam. If you observe Kannada and Telugu (of Rayalaseema), there is so much of similarity. Languages evolve with time.
@AkshayS Karthikeya taught the local language to Agastya within a days it seems.
@TheDestroyer True However i feel difficulty while understanding Malayalam, their accent is a bit off, like they will use "L" sound a lot and We will miss understanding many words
@TheDestroyer Himalaya or whole planet is within you, dig it instead.
@TheLittleNaruto If you are habituated to South Indian pronunciation of Sanskrit words, you can easily understand those words. But since i can understand Tamil, it is easy for me to even understand some Malayalam too.
@AkshayS haha. Both.
@TheLittleNaruto Himalaya Sahasra, Kashi - Ajna Chakra Chidambaram - Heart..
Pancha Sabhai Sthalangal refers to the temples of Lord Nataraja, a form of Lord Shiva where he performed the Cosmic Dance. Pancha indicates Five, Sabhai means hall and Stala means place. All these temples are located in Tamil Nadu, India.
== Nataraja ==
A few temples in Tamil Nadu are closely associated with Nataraja and have their own myths of dance along with the halls specific to their version of dance. The seven dances of Lord Siva can be recognised as the varied facts of single theme viz. the Beauty and Bliss of the Absolute. Herein lies the aesthetic fact of the dance. The seven dances...
The Jabala Upanishad (Sanskrit: जाबाल उपनिषत्, IAST: Jabala Upaniṣad), also called Jabalopanisad, is a minor Upanishad of Hinduism. The Sanskrit text is one of the 20 Sannyasa Upanishads, and is attached to the Shukla Yajurveda.
The Jabala Upanishad is an ancient text, composed before 300 CE. It is among the oldest Upanishads that discuss the subject of renouncing the worldly life for the exclusive pursuit of spiritual knowledge. The text discusses the city of Banaras in spiritual terms, as Avimuktam. It describes how that city became holy, then adds that the holiest place to revere is one within...
It also mentions Satarudriya as way for Moksha. Satarudriya from Yajurveda is Sri Rudram.
Rudram is present in all 101 Sakhas of Yajurveda. Hence name Satarudriya.
@Zanna just for clarity, in earlier discussion when I said "British" I meant the one who ruled us in old time not the current people. So please don't take it otherwise. I thought I should clarify lol
@Kulfy sure.. I am talking about qualification you need. Just purity. Not even single bad word you should use at any cost.. this controls tongue and mind should be pure. When these 2 r fullfilled, you go to next level in knowledge of life
In TN even if one makes mistakes we scold him saying "ada rama".....this is how I was bought up... we tell mahesvara if someone makes silly mistakes..... so we somehow tell nama of Isvara differently. ...
Nama of Isvara can purify you!
@TheLittleNaruto haha... then I still have "I" sense attached with me in small percentage. ...slowly that shouls go off
"When you surrender to Guru by your mind, deeds and actions, He expunges you as what you think you are and establishes you as what He experienced the almighty as.
There are no more swinging pains and pleasures but eternal bliss always. An experiential supreme Self Empowerment for you is the ultimate Grace of Guru who lets your dormant conscious out of ilusion and ignorance, the Suptha Chetana when united and illumined with the sakthi, the divine mother energy inherent within you resulting in manifestation of your SELF as the Supreme Conscious, the Shiva"
@TheLittleNaruto My 2-3 friends are purely naastik. I respect their opinion and their choices. But I get angry when they question my beliefs and ask me for explanations. Like why we fold our hands in front of murti?
@Kulfy that's called bhakti.... see they fold their hands for corporate who is exploiting them and we fold for one from whom we emerged. ...that's the difference
@Kulfy depending upon their character you should decide whether you should have such friends or not. If they such questions for mocking ignore. For learning means fine.
@Kulfy yes......geographically also Bharata is center of earth from which everything runs.. because vastu shastra everything is for Bharata varsha. Because your body structure is similar to that....
@Kulfy My colleagues make fun of me by calling me Baba or something because they see me completely involved in Hinduism even if I am well educated. But... I, Sir, care less.
@TheLittleNaruto man that's fine. ...I am talking about specific structure vastu.... north is where mount Kailash is located... same way body's north is where Shiva has his abode. South is Yama... so this is how basically it is structured in this Earth.... thats why west Country people cannot understand this....
@TheLittleNaruto oh no worries. Actually I speak of those people as "us" because I don't want to refuse responsibility for that. I've benefited from the atrocities of the British Empire my whole life. Right now I benefit even more. From the exchange rate, from being able to speak my own language in a foreign country and be understood... in countless significant ways.
@Zanna @Zanna you are not British citizen neither am Indian citizen.... we all are humans and at reality we are all Atma... so don't feel for British atrocities
@AkshayS :) I am not a fan of the nation state concept, but that's probably because of the form nationalism takes in my country. In its favour, nationalism was a great driver of independence movements everywhere
@TheLittleNaruto No ji... ENG are good especially against one dimensional bowling attack. If there's variety they can fumble anyday. India can defeat England if India can bat well