The DMZ

TildalWave

00:00

@ThomasPornin aren't we all?

Xander

@AviD Some of them are, but even those are not necessarily Windows 10 specific, now that the telemetry features have been since ported back to 7 and 8.

@Gilles Yeah, I think it was a discussion that happened in here. I really should take it over to meta.

I know it happened, because we used to have Windows 7 questions, and we don't anymore. (And a lot more Windowx XP questions.)

TildalWave

00:16

About that locked questions thingy, what's the TL;DR version what's going on? It can't remain locked simply because you (and probably all of us) disagree what answer was accepted. We had similar happen on Space a couple of times, and it seems the best was to just leave it alone and nuke most comments. What's the deal here?

Ixrec

if you mean the post I think you mean, it's only the question that's locked, not the whole thread, because the OP was editing a bunch of meta commentary into their post and rolling back edits and making rude comments underneath which have since been deleted, etc etc

TildalWave

ah gotcha, OK I missed that

then I think that should be stated on meta meta.security.stackexchange.com/questions/2229/…

along with explanation why ninja edits aren't a good thing

Ixrec

I think that conversation ended up happening here in chat...and resulted in a suspension for that user

though in retrospect we'd probably all agree it would've been better on meta

TildalWave

yeah I saw there was some drama so I tried to ignore it, but it doesn't reflect the best on the site how it looks like now

if I didn't know what the deal was and couldn't see the reason for it to remain locked, and I'm fairly active here, then there's probably many, many more that would have even bigger problems understanding it

Ixrec

I completely agree, I'm honestly surprised none of the mods in the earlier chat convo have gone and posted a meta answer yet

Simon

02:45

da_bear_irl: i.imgur.com/e97k9DD.gifv

Lucas Kauffman

03:25

thomas has darker hair

you racist can't tell the difference

David Freitag

04:16

@RoryAlsop since just after Christmas

Went from zoidberg with a Santa hat to bender

MickLH

@LucasKauffman This is the most ironic thing people do.

Believing that one can discern a difference between races is literally the definition of weak racism :P

(Also it's delusional to not be racist in that sense, objectively there are differences.)

StackExchange

05:02

But listen, if getting your car out from under the pile is REALLY important to you, we do have an axe you can borrow.

Rory Alsop

07:11

@Ixrec meta answer on what?

Matthew

08:18

Snow...

I got 100yds from house (which took 10 minutes in car), and then someone hit the brakes too hard and slid into the back of my car! No damage, but clearly it's too dangerous out there with drivers who don't know how to drive in snow!

Rоry McCune

08:30

@Matthew yoinks! it's nice and clear up here

which is just as well as I'm off to Rory-palooza this evening

Matthew

@RоryMcCune You can't say that in public! What if non-Rory's gatecrash!

Rоry McCune

@Matthew ah well, then they have to change their names to Rory for the evening!

Matthew

-3

Q: Van Eck Phreaking

My laptop has been hacked by Van Eck phreaking method and I want to protect my laptop from the attack. Can I use copper tape on my wires to protect my laptop?

Lighty

@Matthew Whats the SEC:SE policy on Troll/ExtremeBS questions?

M'vy

08:45

heya

So, any more drama since 18h yesterady ?

Matthew

@Lighty Don't know, but I'm wondering if there is scope for a generic "I've been hacked!" question, covering things like "Are you sure you didn't just leave your wifi password printed on the wall where it's visible from your window?", "Someone knowing your email address is not evidence of you being hacked", and "Yes, most things in spy films can be done, but why would they be done against you?"

Arperum

@Matthew How serious would I be taken if I suggested that his neighbours might be lizardpeople?

M'vy

Migrate to crypto pls: security.stackexchange.com/questions/116482/…

kalina

@ThomasPornin length oriented you say?

Matthew

@Arperum Probably more than you would expect...

Lighty

08:55

@Arperum seeing this question? pretty seriously

@M'vy beat you to it by 20 minutes or so

kalina

nope, I'll be back in a few hours

Arperum

@Matthew That's basically the only reason I haven't done so yet.

M'vy

@kalina well, hello while you're still here :)

Matthew

Can a mod migrate the comments to chat on that question?

Oops

Just realised I misread a meeting invite as a conference call, rather than a physical meeting...

M'vy

In 5 min at 500 km away ?

Matthew

09:08

@M'vy No, in 4 hours, 2 hours journey away (by train)

M'vy

@Matthew well. What's the importance of your presence at said meeting ?

Matthew

@M'vy Not sure, actually. Am trying to get hold of the organiser to see if they want me to jump on a train or dial in

Also, is there a psychiatric help SE?

M'vy

@Matthew vaneck.stackexchange.com ?

brb

Matthew

I think this guy needs some help from a professional... I'm going to guess anxiety-triggered paranoia, but I'm not a psych...

They are knowing by seeing, I think, because I can hear them now talking about me since they are near, and they will talk about the texts I wrote in the next day. When I moved to another town, the only hack my phone, because I heard them talked about the texts I sent to my friend. I didn't do any troubleshooting, but I scanned my computer with anti-malware for many times, but there was nothing. The neighbors of the house outside this town could see what I was writing on my other laptop. About 1.5 months ago, I moved back to this house because I got divorced and I started to use this laptop. — tita 2 mins ago

Lighty

@Matthew paranioa, yeah

@Matthew Looks like paranoia triggered by, indeed anxiety, but it's there because of events in his past, probably, sounds like he developed trust issues in the past.

no idea how other people "read" his stuff, and I don't even know if that's true, but TL;DR, diagnose is anxiety, and severe trust issues and just a little bit of paranoia, if he'd be completely freaking out or crying wild, that it would be worse paranoia... that or him not being able to control his own actions that is.

silverpenguin

09:27

the all powerful manatee has returned

Matthew

@Lighty Exactly. I don't think it would be helpful to say to him "it's more likely that you're suffering from paranoia, and you might benefit from seeing a mental health professional" though...

Lighty

@Matthew you don't exactly say that out of the blue to people

escpecially not on the internet

Matthew

@Lighty Exactly. I'm fairly sure he'd assume we were his neighbours...

Lighty

@Matthew Thats still one puzzle there, I have no clue who the neighbours are, and he kinda refers to that his neighbours are hacking his stuff and talking about him, kinda sounds like a really weird situation, but a normal reaction to someone with trust issues

I do not know if thats what happened, or he's assuming it

if its the first, then there is a serious problem there on many levels, if its the latter, well, slight paranoia/trust-issues blablabla

M'vy

The question has been answered, there is not much we can do for him here.

silverpenguin

09:37

time to put him down, come on ol yella

Matthew

I'm going to guess that his neighbours are talking about anything else, and he's hearing as things about him (paranoia related). I can't imagine one set of neighbours constantly talking about him, let alone two, in difference cities...

Lighty

@Matthew Maybe the guy is "weird", that does spark conversation including him, or hints leading to him

fair to assume atleast

M'vy

-7

Q: Would the following solve Apple versus FBI case?

Problem Apple : no backdoor, you'll just spy on us FBI : make backdoor so we can catch bad guys Goals - prevent mass surveillance - allow FBI to collect evidence in criminal case - reasonably secure device My proposed solution use the physical factor inherent in real world security. - D...

encryption ios backdoor surveillance

Matthew

@Lighty Not constantly though, unless he's shouting at them through the wall, and they're sick of him, which could be a possibilty

Lighty

@Matthew He does show some clear signs of mental illness, the only difference is in what stage, and how bad

although there is so much you can safely assume that don't completely link to each other here

M'vy

09:59

Ok I found why my firefox is slow. Proxy autoconfig using "myIpAddress()" function seems to be slow

bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1048468

It seems to work full speed with the proxy IP address :S

silverpenguin

hey guys im doing an XSS on my site at the moment.. I cant get through google chromes auto blocking of xss (google smarts) i can seem to get around that by using a base64 encoded string but that base64 string is then not read as code but as a string... any ideas? (yes i could post this on the site but i like discussion)

M'vy

So you're trying to XSS yourself?

silverpenguin

yes

on my website (just testing a few bits)

Rоry McCune

@silverpenguin download an IE6/WinXP VM :op

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune D: we have to go back marty...

Rоry McCune

10:13

@silverpenguin I'm only kind of joking, you can do that here dev.windows.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/windows

they have VMs going all the way back to IE6/XP

it can be useful to test exploits without browser protections getting the way

M'vy

@silverpenguin Great Scott

Oh wait! Isn't @RоryMcCune the Great Scott then! I found the link!

Rоry McCune

@M'vy lolz

silverpenguin

i will have a look at that! I have been setting up my pentest machine recently. trying to compose my libary of VMs with preinstalled applications on my Mac :P

Rоry McCune

@silverpenguin if you're practicing web app testing stuff I would recommend looking at pentesterlab.com they have some good stuff and quite a bit of it is free

silverpenguin

I saw this the other day. have not yet read through the sight though (i am at work but i cba to do anything today so im just going to hack my stuff)

kalina

10:45

gosh it made it into double figure temperatures

shivering

M'vy

@kalina negative double ?

kalina

no

M'vy

I don't quite see how double figure and shivering comes along

kalina

easy double figures can be like 10

which is cold

M'vy

well. Perspectives I guess

Rоry McCune

10:47

@kalina 10's nice if you're out for a walk or a run

kalina

10 is nice if you're running, if you're walking it's too cold

yet I am obviously not currently running

Rоry McCune

@kalina you could go for a run, it would warm you up :)

kalina

pls no that involves being outside with the other people, in the cold

it also means getting dressed, and well... running

Rоry McCune

not too heinous a thing surely.. I was out for a walk at 7:30 this morning

M'vy

indeed

kalina

10:50

good for you

I'ms ure once I've aged another thousand years I'll have more interest in sunrise walks

Rоry McCune

@kalina it's very pretty here today, snow on the hills clear skies

kalina

I've already attempted waking up twice today, I might just go back to bed again

M'vy

once to the bathroom, and twice back to bed?

Rоry McCune

I've been reading more about Vive demos, definitely looks like a better choice than the rift at the moment

I like the idea of being able to move around in a virtual world

although I do think there'll be some injuries from tripping over that cable

silverpenguin

@kalina 10 is warm :O !!!

Rory Alsop

10:57

No snow here yet @Rоry. Was a brief dusting of hail at the office at about 0645. Temperature is dropping though, so I live in hope

When are you heading through?

I'm planning on finishing up not long after 1530 - happy to meet up earlier than official Roryfest start time

kalina

vr sucks, nobody cares

Rory Alsop

@kalina combination of VR and suck will be a selling point, if it isn't already

kalina

@M'vy well I woke up and was on chat for a brief moment and then there was a draft and it will like OH NOES I NEEDS BED

@RoryAlsop not for I

silverpenguin

@kalina where are you from? do you not have work D: ?

Rоry McCune

@kalina disagree I think the Vive looks frickin' awesome

Rory Alsop

11:00

@kalina well, me neither, but it will be popular

kalina

@silverpenguin hello new guy

@RоryMcCune meh

M'vy

:)

Rory Alsop

@silverpenguin truckers have non-standard working hours

kalina

@RоryMcCune I'm finding as I get older that I'm going more and more off games

Rory Alsop

:-)

Rоry McCune

11:00

@kalina VR portal will be cool

kalina

@RoryAlsop this is harsh, the newbie doesn't know better

Rory Alsop

Lol

Rоry McCune

@kalina oh yeah I game way less than I used to but I can see the vive being cool for other stuff like VR movies

Rory Alsop

Ok - you tell 'im then @kali

silverpenguin

@kalina I was here yesterday D: i am the awesome manatee D:

kalina

11:01

@RoryAlsop I was just going to ignore the question

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune - I only game less because I have less time

Due to more kids, not due to more age

kalina

@RoryAlsop I would expect kids would increase the amount of games

silverpenguin

games are awesome... im just waiting to get back to league of legends

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah time is the thing, there's always something else that needs doing...

kalina

"games are awesome" and "league of legends" in the same sentence

M'vy

11:02

@silverpenguin waiting on what ?

Rory Alsop

@kali - kids increase the number of games purchased, but also reduce my available time to play them

Total hours of gameplay in the house increase, yes, but not for me

kalina

@RoryAlsop should have got them into multiplayer

Rory Alsop

Hang on - @Silverpenguin is a manatee

silverpenguin

@M'vy for me to be free from my 8 hour work day

@RoryAlsop sexy manatee*

M'vy

@silverpenguin oh you mean only today, not in general

silverpenguin

11:03

@M'vy yes today xD i play it every day for about 4 hours -___-

kalina

when I used to live in ... well, the house before the last

it was a shared house

we played so much borderlands and left 4 dead

silverpenguin

DONT GO NEAR HER NOO YOU FOOL screams

Rory Alsop

@kalina they are! Hamish is awesome at Destiny - but that means he has the PS4, not me. And at Call of Duty - but not with me: with his friends instead

kalina

@RoryAlsop foreveralone.jpg

too much #fogey

Rory Alsop

@kali forevertheoppositeofalone.jpg

kalina

11:04

"Is that your dad playing? -.-"

silverpenguin

mogame chim pomoots D:

Rory Alsop

Actually, folks ask me - "get Hamish on. He's much better at this"

kalina

#rekt

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop you can still beat him at Rock band tho' , right?

kalina

you'd hope

silverpenguin

11:06

guitar hero >_> so awesome

i swear to you i once completed through the fire and flames on hard i swear it

kalina

are you a bot as well

M'vy

Hélas non :) but sure does seem like one sometimes :) ahahaha

kalina

oic

M'vy

anyway

time to fetch some food

kalina

I think toast

because zero effort can eat in bed can fall asleep immediately after

Rоry McCune

11:11

@kalina yeah but toast crumbs in bed are a bad thing (tm)

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune I can beat everyone in the family at all those games...with one exception: Eilin can play drums and sing at the same time - so on Rock Band she is pretty impressive

@silverpenguin Yup - never quite managed 100% on that one, but got very close a lot of the time

@RоryMcCune nearly as bad as sand for getting... Everywhere

Apparently

@kalina Pot Noodle is zero effort, and no washing up - if you use a plastic fork you can throw every bit of it away </burnyourplanet>

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop heck just eat the fork, it'll taste the same as the pot noodle anyway

Rory Alsop

Pot Noodle is one of my mild sins. It's soooo good occasionally

silverpenguin

its never good @RoryAlsop

this twix i am currently eating on the other hand... rocks

Rory Alsop

Oh it is good. It has MSG!

Twix for breakfast - also good

Twins might be good... But that isn't what I meant

silverpenguin

11:18

and il be having an indian burrito for lunch apprently (im not 100% sure on how good tht will be but it sounds good) ... and I prefer twins for brekfast also ;)

kalina

@RoryAlsop ew, I wouldn't consume such toxic sludge if it was the only food left available

silverpenguin

i was smart and bought 2 twix... i knew id eat through the first one too quickly

Rory Alsop

@kali - I maybe have 2 a year, and that feels so decadent :-)

Rоry McCune

well tonights food is unlikely to be healthy

kalina

if I had more time... if I had more motivation... hmm...

if I cared enough, I'd just grow a load of vegetables

silverpenguin

11:21

I have had fast food for the past 8 days in a row... try and beat that for unhealthy

no a single meal has not been fast food in 8 days

kalina

and then I'd be able to survive almost entirely off stuff I had grown

but the time vs effort vs reward equation doesn't balance out

silverpenguin

ew veg :<

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop BTW are you still based down at the bottom of the hill?

kalina

don't ew veg

without veg you're basically dead already

silverpenguin

I dont eat veg

havent in years

since i was like 3

i eat chocolate and meat and rice

Rory Alsop

11:22

@silverpenguin - none of our house eat fast food. We really like proper food. That said, Nandos....

silverpenguin

@RoryAlsop I normally cook lol but ive been so busy i dont have the time to leave my house to go to the shop :< il go this weekend i dont wana pay for fast food anymore

Rory Alsop

@Rоry - yep

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop looks like Ernie is planning on having one in Clarks at 5 before heading up the hill..

Rory Alsop

@kalina I wouldn't eat any veg on their own, because www. But I will always cook onions, peppers, chillies etc in with the beef, venison or chicken I'm doing

kalina

@RoryAlsop fast food...

sometimes when life is going fast, and the option is fast food or don't eat...

silverpenguin

11:24

@RoryAlsop you like duck and rabbit?

Rоry McCune

@kalina or soylent

kalina

@RoryAlsop seriously? I don't mind eating carrots or celery or whatever just by themselves

Rory Alsop

@kalina I think one of my children once had a McDonalds (as a friend hosted their party there) and she was the only one who asked for a glass of water and a plain roll, as she wasn't prepared to eat that stuff

kalina

every sandwich has lettuce and tomato in it

Rory Alsop

@silverpenguin Any animal with 2 or 4 legs

kalina

11:25

@RoryAlsop dog

silverpenguin

@kalina meat is meat

kalina

ew.

Rory Alsop

@kalina Noooo - if I have to buy a sarnie from Pret and it says ham and cheese and it comes with any greenery, the greenery goes in the bin

kalina

@RoryAlsop WHAT?

Rory Alsop

@kalina yep - dog is ok. Horse is lovely. Crocodile is ok.

kalina

11:26

ham and cheese is PERFECT with lettuce and tomato

Rоry McCune

@kalina eww tomato

Rory Alsop

Llama is ok. Camel is rather nice. Zebra - tastes a bit like horse, but stripy...

@kalina lettuce is water wrapped in green

kalina

@RoryAlsop so?

Rory Alsop

Tomato is red mush - only nice if picked off my own tomato plant and eaten straight away

kalina

@RoryAlsop there*

Rory Alsop

11:27

@kalina the green tastes bad

silverpenguin

when i go to subway my sandwich is > pepperoni, salami, meatballs, chorizo, bacon (used to be pulled pork but that got discontinued)....double grated cheese and bbq sauce :D

Rory Alsop

@kalina thanks

kalina

fine, let's just leave this with "if I ever came to visit I'd end up not eating for the duration of my stay"

Rory Alsop

@kalina I can make lovely vegetarian food (apparently) so if you do ever decide to visit, you will be made welcome

Rоry McCune

lookingforheat.com/shop/diy-kits/lenr-test-kit-mk1-model-t

^Cold fusion test kit anyone?

Rory Alsop

11:28

Not that I hold out much hope of ever actually meeting you (and knowing about it)

Rоry McCune

I think @kalina was at Securi-tay

there were some people with almost rainbow-dashy hair

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune eh? Really?

Oh - lol

Those were students

@RоryMcCune ahh - cool

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop nah I'm just kidding really about it being @kalina but there were some very "interesting" hair colours on display

kalina

good, false hope is a bad thing

Rоry McCune

@kalina there's no way you'd come to scotland in winter for any reason, let alone just covertly observing Rories

kalina

11:32

and I'm not on the rainbow thing anymore, I'm currently rocking a pastel off yellow

Rоry McCune

@kalina ah well my choice for this season is short and brown with a delicately chosen hint of silver at the temples :op

kalina

by silver do you mean grey

silverpenguin

I am the colour of which manatees are

Rory Alsop

@silverpenguin silver, or green

Rоry McCune

@kalina I prefer silver :op

silverpenguin

11:34

@RoryAlsop they are silver / green?

Rory Alsop

They are silver, brown, blue, green - depending on various things

kalina

@RоryMcCune ok but you mean grey

silverpenguin

@RoryAlsop weird... I dont know those colours are not within my visual spectrum :<

Rоry McCune

@kalina hey you call it grey, I call it silver, they're very similar colours

Rory Alsop

Bluish and brownish are normal. Green from algae/life growing on them. Silver from air being caught in the algae and reflecting/refracting light

@silverpenguin ... What colours do you see?

silverpenguin

11:35

@RoryAlsop yellow

kalina

16 color

Rory Alsop

@silverpenguin when looking at manatees, or is that the only colour you see

And yellow - yep, sure, variant of the brownish colour I was thinking of

kalina

yellow and brown are definitely the same color

Rory Alsop

@kalina Are we thinking the silverpenguinmanatee is a bot too, now?

silverpenguin

@RoryAlsop the one in my picture looks black...

Rory Alsop

11:36

@kalina lol

kalina

@RoryAlsop no

well maybe

Rory Alsop

Manatees can be various colours, alright :-)

silverpenguin

yes. ok D: manatees should come with a colour blind mode

Rory Alsop

Generally muddy coloured (brown/yellow/dark/not quite black) but also blue is possible, and the green and silver as I mentioned above

silverpenguin

and i am not a bot.. I am an android

kalina

11:43

a manadroid?

Terry Chia

11:57

@RоryMcCune or @AviD, Is the last update to OWASP Top Ten in 2013? That's the latest I see on the wiki.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia yarr that's the latest one, and they're not looking like doing another one this year, it'll be next year (I'm not sure why...)

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Aight thanks.

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