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21:00
just keep in mind that there's a difference between being a landlord and a slumlord
slumlords get sued, landlords profit
Of course
Buying furniture is a tax write off
It is?
Fuck
There's no way I'd be a slum lord... it isn't profitable
Yeah, wait... David
If you buy a rental property, and rent it out, it's considered a business
That's $1300 I could have claimed
When you buy things to fix the house
21:01
Oh I see
Appliances, furniture, etc. It's considered a tax write-off
Like limos for businesses
So every year, buy new furniture and appliances
and write them off...
After that, you can always upgrade your own stuff... by taking last year's furniture/appliances into your own home
The place I just moved out of had appliances that were from like the 80's
or giving them away... or selling them.
21:02
@MarkBuffalo if you ever get audited that's going to be a no no :) you have to mark depreciation on those assets, and you can't just make them into personal assets!
@MarkBuffalo Yeah but you have to have the cash up-front to do that
@HerringboneCat I don't do that, but I know someone who does
or rather, I know of
@MarkBuffalo yeah, they ask you what dates it was put into service and what dates it was taken out. Plenty of people do it but if you get audited you get a huge bill.
uh what
21:03
@HerringboneCat Well that's good to know....
What has been seen cannot be unseen
I'm glad I talked about this before I tried that
@MarkBuffalo talk to a business accountant
@MarkBuffalo I've learned about this stuff from years of doing my own taxes from consulting income (and consulting business expenses). e.g. you buy a laptop, you have to make a depreciation schedule
I think I might be misunderstanding what they are doing...
21:04
@MarkBuffalo But what you could do is stagger appliances through your rental properties
before any of that shit, talk to someone who knows their shit
@DavidFreitag Yea, he does this
@HerringboneCat However, in the case of a multi-family property... where he "rents" one of his own...? Can he take that furniture?
@HerringboneCat In my experience, laptop costs £x, then is worth £x/2 for about a week, then it's worth £150, then £60, then "just take it to the tip"
My nose hurts :[
@MarkBuffalo If he's renting a property and declaring it as a business with income, then any assets used by the business have to be declared, along with % used for business, and dates placed in and out of service. If he takes the furntirue out of service, he has to buy it from the corporate en tity, or mark that it was put out of service and not get the tax credits
@Matthew IRS seems to think it takes 3-5 years for full depreciation
21:06
3-5 years for an appliance is totally ok
@HerringboneCat They clearly don't abuse their laptops as much as some of our staff!
Hell my grandmother has had the same appliances since before I was born
Depends on the item. An audit will determine if the time period you set for depreciation is realistic, and unrealistic timetables might trigger an audit.
@Pekka 웃: There's a your mom joke in here somewhere... — BoltClock ♦ 2 days ago
@DavidFreitag all depends on the asset, and are you going to use straight-line depreciation or reducing-balance?
@RоryMcCune I know what some of those words mean
@Matthew heh I was just on their site, I partipated in the main pathfinder one and can't download anything 'cause their site is hugely overloaded
@Matthew they're running some v. old verison of an Apple web framework and it doesn't look like scaling is easy/possible
@DavidFreitag it's my accountancy degree leaking...
@RоryMcCune Well stop it you're making my brain hurt
@RоryMcCune I'm going to guess that it's not from the Pathfinder deal though - doesn't look to be selling that well!
Since steam and humble split I haven't gotten a single bundle
21:11
@Matthew well I guess it's relative :) I don't think they get that much download traffic relative to humble bundle stuff. Anyway there's a 22-page thread on their forums dedicated to download problems...
@RоryMcCune Aren't you Scottish? How do you know about labryinthine american tax code? :)
@HerringboneCat indeed I am, but depreciation is a universal accountancy fact :)
and varying rates/styles of depreciation are part of that
@MarkBuffalo Yeah, no. Improvements are capitalized, not expensed, and so are not directly deductible.
@RоryMcCune Sounds like it's the publisher having the issue then? I know HB can handle a lot more traffic than that!
@Xander I think I'm being lied to
21:14
@Matthew oh yeah HB are fine, it's downloading from paizo that don't fly, sounds like the 26k customers they got from the first humble bundle is a lot more than they're used to
Not by you, but by someone else
@MarkBuffalo That would not be uncommon, when taxes are concerned.
@Matthew they should put in the cloud in some docker containers, and use a bit of redis and perhaps a custom elrang/clojure front-end and that'd fix it for sure!
I just did my friend's taxes using turbotax the other night...he just emigrated from israel, so he had no idea about american taxes. He was about to pay someone $200 to do his taxes. Dude makes $40k a year. I was like, "You're going to take the standard deduction."
It's amazing all the urban legendy stuff that people are fed about taxes
@RоryMcCune Yeah, they do seem to be making a mess of it...
21:18
@Matthew there's people on their forums suggesting changing the Firefox HTTP timeout from 90 seconds to 1 hour ?!?
@RоryMcCune Um... That won't help much...
@Ohnana bill of writes
@Matthew well no, the system sounds v. clunky and not scaled well, I guess they should've predicted that offering several hundred bucks of stuff for $15 might have caused some traffic...
@MarkBuffalo My first career was as an accountant. As I transitioned into technology, I actually spent a couple of years building tax software, albeit premium tax software, not income tax software.
@RоryMcCune Really? I thought offering things for less caused fewer people to want it! :-)
21:29
Mmmh I need a new belt
I know that paying an accountant £1k a year saves me so much more than that. And I have no complicated finances at all
@RoryAlsop You pay 1k pounds for an accountant? :X
You must be making a killing
I think that's cheap, according to the other quotes I got. It's totally worth it. British accounting rules are utterly stupid so they are not manageable by non-accountants. And the penalties for mistakes are epic
@RoryAlsop exactly, ours costs a bit more than that but well worth it when HMRC are so hideous to deal with if things go wrong
@RoryAlsop Yeah that makes sense then
21:39
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THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK REAL
"but they're not real Simon"
^^Looks like they found an interesting new Crypto flaw
@Simon that should be the callout over them :)
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Q: How is it tecnically possible for Apple to unlock the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone?

roryapIf the iPhone of the San Bernadino shooters is locked, how would it even be possible for Apple to acquiesce to the FBI's request for them to unlock the phone? Does that mean Apple has some kind of "back door" that would let them into any phone? Wouldn't a locked phone theoretically be secured f...

Notto disu shittu agen
21:48
mega research fail
Yeah, this week we're on DROWN, damnit!
We also have
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Q: A mental uncrackable password-generator

GendarmeI am interested in creating a formula to create unique passwords for every website that I am going to use. These passwords should be easy to figure out (not necessarily remember) for me at any point in the future, but not be vulnerable to any form of reverse-engineering with today's technology: t...

Which is a standard "I trust my brain more than a computer" question
It's slightly worrying that that is a standard question, thinking about it
it's definitely a sign that something ought to be done about the general population's awareness of basic password security principles
Um...
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Q: Possibilities of guessing combination-locks

thom adamsA combination lock has five slots for numbers 0-9. What is the probability of one guessing the correct combination?

Did I wander onto basic arithmetic SE?
migrate to Math.SE (no not really)
@Ixrec Migrate to trash can
omnomnom fruty tootsie rolls
Also, since when is vanilla considered a fruit?
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Q: Why particles in Quantum Mechanics are indistinguishable?

user1620696Currently reading about tensor products in Quantum Mechanics and composite systems I've read that in Quantum Mechanics particles are indistinguishable while in Classical Mechanics that's not the case. This leads to the requirement that the wave function be symmetric or antisymmetric and thus, to ...

That's possibly the best broken english I've ever read.
22:10
linode.statuspage.io/incidents/wwzn1mcmc2fp guess we might not be seeing @TerryChia @JourneymanGeek or @LucasKauffman for a bit...
@DavidFreitag standard language for science guys, I was told
@SEJPM What, broken english?
@MarkBuffalo we have a rory who has gone wrong!
@DavidFreitag yes
@SEJPM lol
22:12
I saw it in some CERN documentation...
Also, that top-voted answer seems to say words but I can't quite make out what they're trying to say... :P
hahawut
> Here’s an idea: let’s rip a 4.7-liter Maserati V8 out of a Maserati and stick it into a motorcycle. Wouldn’t that be excellent?
@MarkBuffalo what are some good color hex codes for green/red pass/fail indicators?
jesus christ that's a bike
looks uncomfortabl eas hell to ride
but you won't be on it long :)
It's as long as I am tall
probably longer
keeping that bike upright seems like a challenge
@HerringboneCat It has a double-wheel construction, I bet it's pretty easy
22:26
@DavidFreitag as long as you don't lean it into a corner while going too slow...
@RoryAlsop Well yeah :P
@DavidFreitag yeah the wheels are big and must be stable but i'm talking abuot stopping , thing is heavy, probably hurts to fall on your foot and lean,
i suppose the point of the bike is not to stop at red lights etc :)
@HerringboneCat Do you see those mahasive brakes on there?
@HerringboneCat not to stop - evarrrr
Those brakes are bigger than the ones my car has and my car weighs like 3x as much
22:27
@DavidFreitag Brakes mean the bike tips over when it slows. WIthout throttle, it loses stability. It's still a bike.
You can hit the brakes all you want the bike is still gonna drop one way or the other until you catch it with your leg.
@HerringboneCat So brake from the back?
@DavidFreitag when you brake a motorcycle, the bike goes down. That's why every motorcyclist you see stopped has one foot on the ground.
@DavidFreitag Depends on your layout
and color theme
@HerringboneCat ahh - not quite true
@HerringboneCat Yeah but most motorcycles have thin tires, that one has two in the front and a monster rear one
22:28
and in this case very untrue as 3 wheels
@RoryAlsop Really? What bike doesn't? :)
@RoryAlsop I know :(
@MarkBuffalo No color theme, it's a standalone app
@RoryAlsop I think even with the 4 wheels this thing will lean because the wheels are so close together..never ridden anything like this though, so not sure.
@DavidFreitag You can't go wrong with #990000 and #009900
22:29
@HerringboneCat Mine. I can quite happily stop with my feet up
They aren't too dark
I ride a triumph bonnie and a vespa LXV. ROry what are you riding that lets you stop like that? :)
and not too bright as to be unreadable
iI have a Yamaha 750 Super Tenere
@MarkBuffalo Ok, now to find out how to color a label with a hex code in C#... :P
22:30
but every bike I have had will do it
@DavidFreitag No need. Use 155,0,0 and 0,0,155
little practice - although your bonneville may be tricky...
@MarkBuffalo How do I do that (Programmatically)?
that's a beast of a thing
@RoryAlsop You must be a pretty good rider to be able to balance for more than 3 secs with that thing stopped.
22:30
@DavidFreitag Color.FromArgb(155,0,0,1);
@MarkBuffalo :D
you just enter 155,0,0 inthe color thing
it accepts rgb values, I believe
@HerringboneCat nah - I have had a gap of 16 years without bikes and just getting back into them now my kids are older, so I'm not polished at all yet
@MarkBuffalo No I need to do it in C# to indicate a pass/fail condition when you click a button
@RoryAlsop Here, at stops signs cops will stop you and be like "I didn't see a foot down. You didn't stop you rolled."
22:31
At lights I almost certainly will have a foot down, but my point was just that you don't need to. Bikes balance well
@HerringboneCat yeek
@MarkBuffalo So which one is green and which is red?
I should know this, I got a failure to stop ticket like that recently :)
@DavidFreitag Are you using the dialog editor?
@MarkBuffalo Yeah
rgb = red, green, blue. 255,0,0 = red, 0,255,0 = green, 0,0,255 = blue
Let me check
22:32
My response to the officer: Sir, this is California, I thought that's how we stop here! California rolling stop right?
@MarkBuffalo I know what.... nevermind.
His response: I'm giving you a ticket, but you're funny, come to court and it'll be dismissed.
super rabies gay balls
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@HerringboneCat the main use of having the foot down for me is to brace, change feet for gearchange, then change back
@deed02392 wut
22:33
@deed02392 erm... whut?
@deed02392 did you mean to type it into the google bar?
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so on_click, change label color?
@RoryAlsop I can keep a bike up for a bit without a foot down and even fully stop, but with a passenger, I find it necessary to put a foot down immediately on a stop.
@HerringboneCat ok - totally with you on that
22:33
@MarkBuffalo Yeah with some other logic and communication bits.
You're a communication bit.
I got how to do it, I just needed to know how to change colors
@Simon ( ͡◉ ͜ ʖ ͡◉)
@DavidFreitag:

private void btn_Name_Click(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
this.lbl_Name.ForeColor = Color.FromArgb(155,0,0);
}
@MarkBuffalo Yeah I got it... thanks
welcome
22:35
Also, the this. isn't necessary.
if you add a fourth parameter it allows for transparency
I know, but I like typing it
Right...
because I may have another dialog with a control of the same name
It used to be that the more terse/brief the code the better, but it's been realized the more verbose the code is the better becuase it is more readable. More time is spent reading than writing code, so, add more stuff to variables :)
@HerringboneCat This project is literally like 20 lines of code
22:37
@DavidFreitag Yes but BEST PRACTICES darnit
@HerringboneCat Yep. More time is spent looking at code
when it's only 20 lines, you have no excuse not to spend a minute polishing them so you can instill good habits for when you have a genuinely challenging program
@Ixrec My good habits have resulted in the need to not have to unit test in most cases
@Ixrec "Challenging?" Not really something that happens at work when it comes to software.
because my code 100% works before it gets to the point where testing is required >:D
22:39
@MarkBuffalo Unit testing? Haha what's that... :P
does not scale for massive applications though
actually it does
skipping unit tests does make a lot of sense at 20 lines, yeah
This project is basically just a UI to expose one small portion of a DLL
for testing a particular PCB once it's assembled and programmed
If you work on a massive system, unit testing is required
You're a massive system
22:40
indeed I am
integration testing is also required
@Ixrec Integration testing?
I've had enough differential equations, thank you.
@Ixrec agreed
I have to do a lot of that
half of what I do at work these days is refactoring the most complex part of our app so that it will soon become possible to write tests (of all kinds) involving that part
Ok, fine, don't explain it. I'll just google it.
22:45
oh you actually didn't know, I thought that was a math joke
man, that really shows how overeager the unit testing craze is
it's automated testing that has all the magical properties, unit testing is just one of the important categories thereof
@Ixrec I do enjoy refactoring
I go back and forth between enjoying it and my head hurting, but it's always satisfying after it's done
@MarkBuffalo " i do enjoy refactoring" you're a masochist!
Not really. I've done large-scale refactoring
Meaning I can take a company's entire flagship product that they spent 10+ years developing and working on, and recreate it in under a year... usually 6 months
and do so in a way that's very easy to fix/maintain/update/etc
Ah yeah, at least for me it would be pure pain. Although, i'm not a developer..sure I can code, but it's a small segment of my work, mostly scriptping/devops stuff.
22:47
I enjoy any kind of coding activity, really... but that one is one of my favorites
ya I do some devops stuff as well
security/devops/programming/pentesting(ugh)
I don't enjoy a whole lot of coding...I'm really good at logic, but not the greatest at math. So some programming, like scripting is really fun, but like making structs in C++ is painful for me.
and the reason I do all the extra stuff is because I have a need to keep busy
I finish my programming tasks far too quickly, so I'm left with nothing to do for months
I can understand liking refactoring, since it does put the focus squarely on rearranging code without any real changes in requirements and any of the coding-related-but-not-really-coding issues that new feature development generally entails
@MarkBuffalo Sounds like you need more challenging employment :)
@Ixrec Yeah but if you screw something up...
22:49
which is why you have tests!
afaik the potential for screwups is not really any higher or lower with refactoring than it is with new features
@Ixrec Yeah but it's possible to screw something up in such a subtle way that no test will find it.
yeah, there's no perfect defense against that
@HerringboneCat Well, I'm fine being here
@Ixrec Sure it is, you have a very good understand of code you're writing for the first time. However, if you're refactoring it might be code you've never seen before, and if you don't understand what is going on it's easy to fubar something.
They let me do a lot of extra stuff, like security
and pentesting
22:51
@Ixrec Sure there is, regular code audits
@DavidFreitag I mean new features in an already non-trivial app, so you don't have all of the other code memorized
@DavidFreitag I said "perfect" for a reason
@MarkBuffalo Yeah I understand that. I've arrived on a somewhat similar conclusion -- I used to bust my ass doing consulting, incident response all that stuff in my 20s. Now i'm in my 30s I just want a steady job with a sustainable amount of work, as well. that pays about as much as the busting one's butt :)
@Ixrec I suppose, but it's a bit more dangerous to mess up existing code because customers will expect it to work a specific way.
@Ixrec I've actually gotten really good at getting anything done... no matter what it is. I can code an entire enterprise saas from the ground up. It gives me a really nice sense of accomplishment when I do that, even if it's only refactoring. I like it
@MarkBuffalo If you managed to understand our enterprise SaaS i'd give you $10, nevertheless code it :) It took us 10 years!
22:53
That's why I enjoy programming... the feeling of accomplishment every single time
@DavidFreitag true, but that's always balanced by the fact that if you're not sure what it should do you can always just run the old version, while with new stuff often no one knows how it should work yet
@HerringboneCat This is where reverse-engineering comes into play
If I can see your product in action, I can copy the results 100%
quickly.
@MarkBuffalo Unfortunately, other companies provided our source code have tried and failed. It's way complicated.
@Ixrec Yeah but in some environments that's not practical.
@HerringboneCat IF I'm supposed to work with your code base, that's different. It takes time
But once I understand what you're doing on the code end, no problem
22:55
@MarkBuffalo A team of 300 engineers was unable to even support our codebase and release new versions. The PM said that it would have taken their 300 man team the same amount of time, ten years, to come up with software that does what ours does.
@HerringboneCat Sounds like a shitty code base?
@MarkBuffalo It's just really incredibly sophisticated, we created algorithms and stuff based on research from the 50s and 60s that had never been made into code, and it works quite well.
@HerringboneCat ԅ( ಠ ‸ ಠ )╮
We have a lot of Ph.D's on staff etc, so it's just really high level stuff.
@HerringboneCat Also, for me, size comes into play... if you're developing something supermassive that one person couldn't possibly do, I might have trouble. d:
22:56
I'm sure a crack team from like, Google etc could make sense of it, but 300 persons in India ..not so much.
ah, outsourcing...
@HerringboneCat Never farm out software. Never.
@MarkBuffalo Not so much outsourcing as that's where multinationals just base their programming arm.
@DavidFreitag Tell that to Siemens.
@HerringboneCat I knew a guy who got replaced after working at Siemens for 10+ years
replaced with someone he had to train
@MarkBuffalo sounds like standard multinational corp BS
22:57
@HerringboneCat I should rephrase. Never farm out software to a company you can't personally visit. Regularly.
I've never worked for a public company -- I pretty much flat out refuse to, becuase of these shenanigans. Once you're beholden to shareholders and not like your own ethics or anything like that, evil results
I have consulted for public companies though, but that was under the auspices of a private consulting company.
@HerringboneCat Public sector vs. public company...?
By public, you mean IPO, etc?
@MarkBuffalo public company means listed on a stock exchange
Also, are you Herringbone Dinger? :D
From SF?
and with that comes rules on governance etc....you have to do the best for your shareholders, if that means fire ppl or outsource, that's the executive's responsibility to the shareholders
@MarkBuffalo never heard of the dinger.
23:00
huh, might've had you mixed up
@MarkBuffalo the herringbone cat is well known in the SF art party scene as my character :) I'll demonstrate.
Yeah, I think we talked a while back. You mentioned SF is for polygamists, etc?
nah, utah is for polygamists
@HerringboneCat Ah, okay. So you're essentially completely insane and totally whacked the hell out.
polyamory lives in northern california though :)
23:01
I like you.
@MarkBuffalo now you get it!
Ah, yea... polyamory
I'm not into that
Degenerates. All of you.
I wear cat ears to parties and a tailcoat with a tail. So, since i'm completely batshit insane, I could care less about being a degenerate ^-^
@HerringboneCat That doesn't look like a "party scene"
@HerringboneCat I like that. I'd probably wear a Dracula costume or something.
Or even a Darth Vader costume
23:03
@MarkBuffalo What just because we have closets with ball gags, whips, gimp suits, and nipple clamps we're degenerates?
@DavidFreitag That is the Edwardian Ball 2016. edwardianball.com . .it's a 2000 person party.
@DavidFreitag Uh... well, yes...yes, you are. Pony weirdo.
@MarkBuffalo Hey. I said nothing about ponies.
I had to self-censor myself
Look, I found my ex
@MarkBuffalo She digs the whip? Kinky.
23:07
Never mind, that's just a woman dressed up as satan.
shit what am I going to have for dinner tonight
@MarkBuffalo I think some people spend months on their edwardian ball costumes. The amount of effort is insane. Some of them would make the cast of downton abbey jealous.
@HerringboneCat It sounds fun
@MarkBuffalo It really is. They even got a commendation from the city of san francisco for this year's party..and it's really hard to get a commendation from the city for well, throwing a party.
Usually you just get arrested :)
I went to a party here recently
It's called a snow storm
and... I just...
I got snowed in
23:11
@MarkBuffalo And you have the nerve to call us degenerates.
I'm going to that party this weekend in South Lake Tahoe.
@HerringboneCat Lake Tahoe is freaking awesome
been there with the fam
@MarkBuffalo I know.. I try to go up 3-4 times a season..even once in the summer too.
Last year... grand canyon, phoenix, salt lake city, mount rushmore, etc
I think I managed to hit the last snowstorm of the season this weekend.
23:12
and all over california
I do like california quite a bit
We have a lot of nice stuff..my favorite part of California is the redwoods of Humboldt/Mendo though.
I know, lots of people like Yosemite, or Tahoe..but those redwoods are just amazing
Sometimes I wish I didn't have crippling social anxiety
I like Southern California
and san fran is nice too
@DavidFreitag You do? Could've fooled me
@DavidFreitag eh I have the opposite. I have the tendency to seriously intimidate introverts soemtimes, so it's a mixed bag.
@MarkBuffalo I explained this already
23:13
@HerringboneCat For some reason, I intimidate both introverts and extroverts
:(
@MarkBuffalo a hobson's choice :(
When we met I was so sleep deprived that my brain literally didn't have the energy to make me all anxious
@DavidFreitag ah, yes...
I remember this, but I'm not buying it
I THINK YOU'VE GOT MORE POWER THAN YOU THINK
@MarkBuffalo My brain randomly decides when it's going to screw me over
I get really sweaty, start to shake a lot, then I get really flush
23:48
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Q: Which encryption Technique should I use?

LuckyAliWhich encryption Technique should I use to encrypt my daughters naked pictures? I want the encryption technique to be strong/resistant to brute force attacks. I am thinking of using maybe RSA, but, I heard that RSA is slow for large files and that I should use RSA to just encrypt the Keys and not...

can someone please burniate this one off the planet?

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