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6:04 PM
I got scared in 5 foot waves... 65.94 foot waves would make me freak out
 
You're a wuss though.
 
It's true :(
 
6:22 PM
@Ohnana Well, you were wrong.
 
@DavidFreitag this happens to me frequently
 
@Ohnana Heeeeeyy mee too!
 
dovid pls
 
I did a kippo presentation last night at BCAware. People always get a kick over watching the tty replay videos :)
 
@schroeder replay or relay?
 
6:31 PM
replay
kippo's logs have a feature where they record the timing of the keystrokes, so it's like watching over someone's shoulder as they type, including backspaces, etc.
it's very cool
everyone gets into the presentation
especially if you heckle as a running commentary
 
This looks like a really good question, but isn't it a bit S&M for SE?
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Q: What person should I write a penetration test report as?

paulburkelandWhen you're writing a report, what person do you write it as? First person singular: I discovered a vulnerability in HP Power Manager... First person plural: We discovered a vulnerability in HP Power Manager... Third person singular, by name: Bob discovered a vulnerability in HP Power Manag...

 
@Iszi i'm trying to think of what you mean by S&M
 
@Ohnana Rihanna wrote a song about it.
 
@Simon other than that you donut
 
:D
twololowolo
 
6:37 PM
@Ohnana Simonism and Markusism. S&M
 
@MarkBuffalo that is the same thing
 
o pls
 
@Iszi i answered it
 
-1
 
@Simon idgaf
 
6:41 PM
-3
 
@Simon still no fucks to give
 
-7001
 
"For a narrative style: We/I tested the foobar, and found it was vulnerable to baz."
I'm reading this as, "We eye tested the foobar, and found it was vulnerable to @Simon."
 
We're very close to a wrestling match.
 
oils up
I'm ready.
 
6:43 PM
@MarkBuffalo When we write an article, we always use the first majesty singular, which looks like (to common people) the first person plural.
2
 
Markus you're gonna get rekt by da bear if you don't stop
 
I hope he rekts me
 
@MarkBuffalo /checks wallet for singles
 
@Ohnana Don't forget the singulars.
 
Who just star'd that?
 
6:46 PM
@ThomasPornin I'd love to see one of your reports :-)
 
RORO WAT IS DAT STAR
 
@Simon it's a pointed representation of a stellar body
why?
 
Because I'm jelly that you lads are no longer appreciative of my yolos, plses and donuts. Back then they would award me thousands if not MILLIONS of stars.
 
@Simon You Only Live Once, And Now It's Done.
 
6:49 PM
#yoloanid?
Not as catchy as #yolo I gotta say.
 
@ThomasPornin Would a dictionary attack be effective against correct horse battery staple?
[word] * [word] * [word] * [word]
 
o lawd he's back with another question
 
@MarkBuffalo In the original description, the four words were selected randomly, uniformly and independently, in a list of 2048 words, leading to 44 bits of entropy.
(because 2048 is 2^11)
 
@MarkBuffalo yes, if you know that the person's password is made up of 4 dictionary words and nothing else. it will take you a really goddamn long time though.
 
So a dictionary attack is expected to succeed after an average of 2^43 trials.
 
6:52 PM
@Simon That sounds like some sort of disease
 
If this is an offline dictionary attack and you have a hash of the password with a simple hash (even "salted"), then a good GPU will let you try a few billions of passwords per second, and you shall be done within an hour or two.
 
@Ohnana Everything can be cracked given enough time. My question is if it's effective/feasible.
@ThomasPornin That's what I thought
 
^^ apparently it's a few hours
if you have a monster cracker, you can be done even sooner
 
And 25 GPUs in parallel?
Or in fact... one second
 
If the password hashing function is more reasonable and constrain you to 100 trials per second and per machine, and you command 80 machines, then you are up for 30 years of computation (on average).
 
6:53 PM
If you crunch 2^43 in a calculator, it gives you another number with exponents, which is how you know that it's a big number.
 
You're welcome, Internet.
 
@MarkBuffalo hashcat.net/oclhashcat check the "benchmark" section
 
@Simon Thank you.
 
6:54 PM
@Ohnana Thank you kindly
 
@Ohnana Back before we had "opinion-based" as a close reason, there was "subjective and argumentative"... hence, "S&A"... add Freud and you have "S&M".
 
@DavidFreitag Since when does wolframalpha display my bank account number?
EEEYYYYOOOO
 
@Iszi right, couldn't remember the reference
 
@Simon Right...
 
I was joking, we all know that's what Markus has in his bank account.
 
6:59 PM
@MarkBuffalo For this kind of research, time is not relevant -- energy is.
If you want to go twice faster, use twice as much hardware.
Over time (after a couple of years, typically), energy consumption becomes the primary budget item.
 
@ThomasPornin So to go faster I need to be bigger... what a conundrum.
 
@ThomasPornin That's what people usually say about me too.
 
Heavy-duty password cracking is limited by energy cost, not by hardware cost.
Really serious password crackers will go to Greenland.
First, they save a substantial bit on cooling
 
Hence why da bear has a GPU farm at Hydro-Québec.
 
this is why my company has a big-old cracker that sits in someone's basement, and we reimburse the guy for power
 
7:01 PM
Then, Greenland has really nice opportunities for hydropower
 
@Ohnana How effective is it?
 
@MarkBuffalo quite
 
All of this talk about doing things in greenland reminds me of the netflix series Helix
 
(This is the reason why Rio Tinto wants to convert bauxite to aluminium in Greenland: they would have to bring the mineral there, and the metal back, but the electricity would be really cheap)
 
i will spare the details since this is public, but it's big, loud, and wrecks everything
 
7:02 PM
@Ohnana Nice. :>
 
@Ohnana I wonder if it's an FPGA farm
a rack of $50,000 FPGAs
 
@Ohnana Regarding OSX. 2009 27" iMac, 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 16 GB of ram (1067MHz DDR3)... $500. Steal/deal?
 
@MarkBuffalo that's a lotta ram
 
@MarkBuffalo vomits
 
It seems old, but it may work nicely for xCode.
@DavidFreitag Need it for at-home iOS development, sadly.
 
7:04 PM
@Ohnana I got 32GB :D
22 secs ago, by David Freitag
@MarkBuffalo vomits
 
pls ohnuhnuh 16 gb of RAM is nothing nowadays
 
Well not nothing but certainly not uncommon
 
Ok seriously, there's some issue that has been going on for a while on Ubuntu Desktop 14.04: Chrome ends up freezing/using a ton of CPU when Workstation is running a VM.
 
@Simon Remote clown execution attack. Detects VM running, attempts to log VM access and redirect it to a AOL-JSON server for authenticatory authing. The result is then hashed and verified against bcrypt by the NSA, and logged into xVMScore
If it determines your donut consumption is too high, you're listed as a critical threat to resources at Tom Hortons.
 
Woo finally got our Exchange server to accept emails from a postfix server with a fraudulent hostname
 
7:12 PM
The maximum size for an EMV root CA public key (RSA) is 1984 bits.
 
@DavidFreitag Why would you thingy this thing?
 
@MarkBuffalo Internal gitlab server with no actual hostname
So if you set the postfix hostname to <computername>.<domain>.local the exchange server will blindly accept emails from it
 
@DavidFreitag ah, STM.
 
@MarkBuffalo wut
 
Sense that makes.
I may have mixed up the letters.
Or I may have gone full Yoda.
 
7:18 PM
Yeah ok, sure you're not some short wrinkly old green dude.
 
I am very short, David.
or at least I feel short.
 
I love how nonchalantly smutty Oglaf is.
 
I'll just bet you do
 
Everything else I've seen is just waaay over the top
 
@MarkBuffalo ᕙ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕗ
 
7:20 PM
@Ohnana /╲/\╭(ರωರೃ)╮/\╱\
 
what
 
/╲/\╭(ರωರೃ)╮/\╱\ = Angry bird pig spider?
 
@Ohnana It's a hybrid zoidberg spider holding an apple
 
it's 2016. starbait in the DMZ is now unicode stick figures
 
7:21 PM
@MarkBuffalo That doesn't count
 
I'm having a shower while standing on a box.



༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ ︻デ┳═ー ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@MarkBuffalo you dropped this: \
 
@Ohnana Many dankes.
 
Afternoon all!
 
Noon of the after, JulyPlot.
 
7:35 PM
Angry bird spider pig....I see this chat is full of the usual intellectually stimulating debate....but still, that is an impressive angry bird pig spider! :D
 
The chat got called dumb and I had nothing to do with it.
get rekt all of you dumb people
 
some of the smartest people I know are pretty dumb
 
@TheJulyPlot That's not saying much. You must know a lot of Simons. :(
 
I worked in a college for a few years, and the academic staff really where the smartest stupid people ive ever met in my life
 
slowly runs away from @Simon
 
7:38 PM
Every time Markus pings me, we're getting closer to a damn good wrestling match.
 
@Simon Really wants me to be oiled up, shaved, and in spandex.
 
I'm not shaving, you're gonna have to deal with my hairy chest.
 
You're Canadian right? And Mark you're from Murcia? pictures wrestling match to be exactly like the war from the south park movie
 
canadiawat
 
This is how the wrestling match with @Simon will go.
 
7:42 PM
Dunno..in my mental image, I just pictured you a young Canadian in band t-shirt with a checked shirt...
 
@TheJulyPlot many of my friends remind me that smart people can be stupid
hell, i remind myself sometimes
/internal voice "GODDAMNIT WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID SELF."
 
@Ohnana Everyone is dumb from time to time. For example, look at @Simon. For him, "time to time" means every unit of time to and from.
And the same goes for me.
 
@MarkBuffalo true fax
 
@Ohnana Very true....I basically stumble from one silly mistake to the next
 
Right now, I am carefully going over some code that has my blood boiling
to fix it so my blood will no longer boil
 
7:45 PM
@TheJulyPlot Duuuude, I guess I'm somewhat young and in the IBC video I made, I was wearing a deadmau5 t-shirt.
That's creepy.
 
i'm renumbering a fuckin word doc cuz fuck my life
/shakes fist at MS office
 
weird
 
@Ohnana All part of the documentation process
The lesser-known, least-glorious part of our jorbs :b
 
yeah, this is the finished product for the company
but STILL
i just wanna break shit, not write a 50 page report
 
By young..I meant like early 20s
 
7:47 PM
Is ~25 still young?
 
@Simon Yes.
 
@Simon yeah
 
i am 20. i'm a babby :D
 
It's super old you grandpas.
I'll be shopping for my coffin soon.
 
@Ohnana I feel you. I just broke a lot of stuff...
and now, in fixing it, documentation is required
 
7:48 PM
@Simon Usually you let someone else do that for you.
 
@Simon this reminds me i should get my power of attorney and medical directive documentation in order
 
I gotta that say that mid 20s is cool. You start getting some monies, you're still full of energy and still fuck.
 
i'm old enough...
 
@Ohnana In documenting your breakage, you may discover additional breaks. You may discover flaws in your methodology as well
 
@MarkBuffalo no, i'm not at the client env. anymore. nothing to be broken
just the cold embrace of microsoft
 
7:50 PM
I just discovered a problem, which has not yet made it to production. It's very bad
Stopped before damage occurs.
 
@MarkBuffalo Nice, maybe your boss will trust you more and give you more screen staring tasks.
 
@Simon We're rockstars that finish work really quick, usually
So after the work is finished, there is little to do...
I dedicate my free time to finding vulns, chatting.
 
@MarkBuffalo the fuck.
@Simon You're older than I am
 
Anyone else catch this? Anyone here have it happen to them? Wonder if we could get away with a Meta thread for such stories? troyhunt.com/2016/01/…
 
@DavidFreitag Lol, Japan. And the match ended in a draw. That kid kicked the damn hell out of him.
 
7:58 PM
@MarkBuffalo Yeah... right...
 
@Iszi i saw that on twitter. laughed my ass off
also AMAZON DRONES ARE REAL: youtube.com/watch?v=MXo_d6tNWuY
 
@Ohnana JC! JC! JC! JC!
 
@MarkBuffalo A realistic outcome.
 
@DavidFreitag JC?
 
8:00 PM
Crap
 
@MarkBuffalo DMCA
 
@DavidFreitag oh right, the guy who said i had been brainwashed by my parents to be mentally ill
 
@ThomasPornin Probably fake, but still funny.
 
8:01 PM
(yes i am bitter, why do you ask?)
 
@Ohnana wut
 
@Ohnana Your parents tricked you into becoming mentally ill?
 
@TheJulyPlot Idiocracy flashbacks....
3
 
8:06 PM
@Ohnana Ok I they must not have included the whole quote from JC, because what they have quoted there doesn't seem like anything more than plain ignorance.
 
“As far as I was concerned, men who want to be women were only really to be found on the internet or in the seedier bits of Bangkok. They were called ladyboys, and in my mind they were nothing more than the punchline in a stag night anecdote.”
I knew something was wrong with me for being from the internet.
...wait, how does he know they're found on the internet?
 
@Ohnana And yet you linked it anyway...
 
on the offchance that you culd unpaywall
huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/25/… <- more indepth quotes
 
@Ohnana Yeah... ok... that's a bit fucked up
 
8:10 PM
Todger?
What the heck is that?
...never mind
 
Well, he did say one semi-agreeable bit regarding the amount of people with some kind of "gender issue" in Great Britain. I mean, if the whole conversation is in the context of people seriously wanting to be (or actually being) transgender, ~1% of the population seems pretty high. Now, if he's broadening "gender issues" to include the whole LGBTQABCXYZ community, then that's a bit more believable.
 
@Iszi the thing is, we don't know if our tallies of trans people are correct. gender identity is something that changes with culture, and before it was hell to get any kind of treatment or acknowledgement.
 
I also kinda agree with him on the kid thing. Some kid decides that they want to be another gender at the age of 3? Yeah, ok, support them, but do they really know what that means?
 
1% sounds high to me too, but we have no way of knowing if it's right or wrong. it's an educated guess
 
@DavidFreitag Perhaps kids shouldn't be allowed to change until after they're grown up and realize the full scope of it? I dunno.
 
8:16 PM
3 is awfully young, but there are specific diagnostic criteria a kid has to meet before they even think of diagnosing with GID. it's more stringent than the adult criteria.
 
@MarkBuffalo Nah that's not cool, they should still be supported in whatever they choose
 
and transitioning before puberty can save people lots of grief, namely the awkwardness of not "passing" well enough
 
@Ohnana Heh. Initially mis-read "passing" as "pissing". 'Cause I suppose that could be a problem too.
 
@Iszi occasionally :D
 
@ThomasPornin Actually, I do remember reading that one, and while I grok a fair bit of it, the maths is over my head. Good reporting style though - hadn't realised that was first majesty singular :-)
 
8:23 PM
I rank choice of gender identity up along with voting, drinking, driving, smoking, firearm ownership, etc. It's really hard to imagine letting kids act on their decisions about it before around 14 years old, at least. But it's definitely different from the aforementioned others in that early action can have a substantial positive influence for certain cases as well.
 
@Iszi usually medical intervention comes in after 14yo. it's all social beforehand -- name, pronouns, clothes, etc.
 
@RoryAlsop In fact, using "we" even when there is a single author is meant to allow anonymous submissions (for peer-reviewed conferences and journals). By using "we" systematically, you do not disclose information about the number of authors.
 
@Ohnana Even then, screwing that much up that early can be a very bad thing.
 
@Iszi quite, which is why trained therapists usually lead the way. they're quite good at weeding out underlying issues
 
When you write a report with "I", then this means that you have a very high notion of yourself, and you don't have the corresponding style.
 
8:27 PM
Once you throw out the logical assumption that "nature knows best" though (i.e.: a person's naturally-born gender is always a "safe" route to go with) I guess all bets are off as to figuring out what's really right for any given case - until you have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
 
@Iszi not so much that as, how do you figure out what a person's innate gender is? it's not like you can cut someone's brain open and look at it
 
@Ohnana Yeah, besides there's probably a ton of boobies in mine - doesn't make me female. ;-)
 
dohoho
 
@Ohnana Well I imagine you can just unzip their trousers and find out, no need to involve the brain...
 
@DavidFreitag you'd be quite confused looking at mine
 
8:32 PM
@DavidFreitag That's just the point we're both really getting at though. If you accept that a person's gender identity is independent of the reproductive organs they're born with, then external physical inspection (or even internal, with current science) does you no good and offers no guidance.
 
@Ohnana Actually you can, but there are side effects.
3
 
@Ohnana You said which gender you are, not which gender identity you have.
 
@Ohnana Look at their chromosomes?
Except in rare cases when you have a thing. That does the other thing.
 
@MarkBuffalo that's just an entirely new bag of worms
 
@DavidFreitag Opinions vary as to the definition of either, and whether or not they should even reliably correlate.
 
8:34 PM
tbh, the only thing i've heard as a physical proof is being happier on another sex hormone. but that requires to to try it out and enjoy it enough to continue
 
I dunno, I wouldn't mind having a vagina. Especially when you consider I won't bleed from it
 
it's all very nebulous and strange...
 
@Iszi Part of the issue is that "independent" is not the right term either. The tyranny of the majority posits that for most people, genetics, phenotype, gender identity, social role and sexual interest all match.
 
:-)
 
8:35 PM
@RoryAlsop ??
 
(First time I've used that functionality - usually t'other @Rоry does it)
 
i tabbed away and i miss everything
 
@Ohnana you'll spot it
 
@Ohnana Check the room description
 
@Ohnana As is the use of "being happier" as a metric is in general. There's just too many factors affecting a person's life, and changing in it, during any given period for one to be certain of which factors are independently acting to improve it.
 
8:36 PM
@RoryAlsop O RLY.
 
oh @Dovid - spoilsport :-)
 
@DavidFreitag Don't worry. When you marry her (future wife, NOT Ohnana), she will let you put it in.
 
@Iszi happier as in feeling better mentally. less stressed, calmer, etc.
 
@MarkBuffalo wut
 
@MarkBuffalo t(ಠ益ಠt)
 
8:38 PM
backs away very slowly
 
@Ohnana If Van Gogh had been happier, his paintings would have probably sucked.
2
 
@ThomasPornin At least he got to see the impact of his paintings before he ended it all.
 
@Ohnana Point remains: Usually those who are willing to go on medication to "be happy" are going to be trying several things in addition to it, and likely around the same time. So it can be tricky to isolate which factors are really causing one's happiness.
 
@ThomasPornin very true. but if I'm happier, i can get out of bed without feeling like a sack of rotting flesh :)
 
@ThomasPornin Like sober rock stars, right?
 
8:39 PM
@Ohnana I feel like that anyway and I think I might be male
 
@Ohnana If your sack of flesh is rotting, you're probably not exercising it enough.
 
rofl
i'm diyng
 
@Iszi i'm trying ;-;
 
@Iszi Or washing it frequently enough
 
sobs while doing squats
 
8:40 PM
@DavidFreitag The two can go hand-in-hand.
 
@Iszi Huehuehue
@Ohnana The uncontrollable sobbing means you're doing it right
 
:27143942 teabagging...
 
:27143946 fuck up less
 
Hey guess who has two thumbs and learned a new racial slur today?
 
@DavidFreitag Not me, so I guess I missed something.
 
8:42 PM
@Iszi Well it's not me either, I lost a thumb in the war
 
@DavidFreitag lmao
 
Hey @M'vy! When did you change avatars?
 
Has anyone done the OSCP for fun...trying to work out if $800 is worth splurging, knowing fine well that my chances of passing the exam are slim to none
 
@TheJulyPlot I think @JonathanMusso is doing it, and @Adi has done it a billion times
 
@TheJulyPlot i believe the 800 dollar price tag is meant to discourage fun
 
8:48 PM
@Iszi A few months ago?
 
@TheJulyPlot That seems more a cert meant to demonstrate existing skills that you've been actively using for awhile. Unlike some of the other stuff out there. (Looking at you, CompTIA & EC-Council.) Haven't taken it myself though.
 
@Iszi LOL, CompTIA is a joke
 
What the.... freak
 
@MarkBuffalo Won't load
 
Closest thing I've done is IACRB's CPT. I still consider that one fairly laughable as it was a relatively easy pass after a boot camp - no "real" skill/experience needed.
 
8:50 PM
@DavidFreitag he likes posting gifs fatter than simon's momma
4
 
Deleting in case I mess with anyone's data plan...
 
@MarkBuffalo i'm on wiffles
 
My daughter also just used 5GB of my data in a week
:<
 
@Ohnana Fatter than @Simon's mom? Inconceivable!
 
mmm...*locks CC in a safe*
 
8:51 PM
 
@MarkBuffalo wat
 
@DavidFreitag She loves watching cartoons on youtube
And I forgot to turn on WiFi
 
@MarkBuffalo lol 0 fucking dmg
 
@MarkBuffalo i love people who use source filmmaker to make things, but retain their garry's mod sense of humor
 
@MarkBuffalo Really? I always thought it was for the sake of our retinas, and sanity.
 
8:53 PM
@Iszi Why not both?
 
@DavidFreitag i get that reference
 
@Ohnana Do you? Do you get it?
 
@DavidFreitag yes, that comic is hilarious
 
@Ohnana I saw it on imgur :|
 
8:54 PM
@MarkBuffalo that looks so much fun!
 
Anyone else hear about the guy proposing to electrify roads/sidewalks for the sake of snow removal?
 
@Iszi Yeah they promised they would be doing that at the apartment I live at when we first moved in last march
I LOL'd super hard
"Heated sidewalks" my ass
Not one single door in my entire apartment latches correctly.
 
@Iszi I think they may do something like that in some Scandinavian countries
 
The concept I read about had something to do with 20% metal content in the concrete.
 
8:58 PM
@DavidFreitag It burns! Kill it!
 
@Iszi No it's fucking hysterical
 
@DavidFreitag Who's Hysterical? Is she hot?
 
@Iszi does it charge the mobile devices in my car as I drive?
 
@schroeder No.
 
@Iszi Yeah but I wouldn't exactly call it a "she"
@Iszi Lame.
 
blocked
 
wow
your work hates fun
 
probably because it says "church"
 
@Iszi some time ago now
 
9:35 PM
Dude GitLab is so freaking cool
It's like your very own free github
 
@MarkBuffalo Yessir. @TheJulyPlot I believe @Iszi is correct. It's geared towards professionals in the field, not noobs like me. If you are already working in IT....give it a shot.
 
@JonathanMusso yeah im already in the field, not pen testing though, I have about 5 years worth of messing about with backtrack/kali and a few uni modules under my belt but thats about it. Thinking of doing it just to broaden my skill set and have a bit of fun with it, without the pressure of needing to pass the exam....that $800 is off putting though.
 
@TheJulyPlot It's costly yes. You have much more experience than I. I have none. HA! If it's something you want to save for I think you will be more than capable.
 
@JonathanMusso have you done any of the SANS xmas challenges? I attempted this years and was hopeless....this is really my motivation, cause ive done reasonable in recent years, but haven't used the skills in so long ive forget the moderate amount skill I had.
 
9:54 PM
@TheJulyPlot No I have not, thanks for mentioning them. I will have to take a look
 
@JonathanMusso They are worth checking out, the good thing is there are full write ups online, to guide you though, which helps. I've heard that lot of the oscp is about privilege escalation, so may be a good idea to have a look online about how to go about that.
 

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