The DMZ

kalina

15:00

@Simon also literally everybody born before 2000 has to read hitchhikers guide, I was told that was an unbreakable rule of the universe

are you telling me that you broke such a fundamental rule?

Simon

The universe hasn't imploded yet.

kalina

because that will distort my outlook on life

oh my

CodesInChaos

@kalina born before 2000

kalina

I can either re-evaluate my entire outlook on life or increase the amount I hate men by a factor of 2

...hmmm

@CodesInChaos yes, everybody in here is born before 2000, no?

Simon

Probably easier to hate.

kalina

15:01

@Simon o, integer overflow

CodesInChaos

An unsigned 32 bit integer should be enough for all hateable men on earth.

At least for now.

kalina

unfortunately my operating system was designed in the 90s so... short dates, small ints, etc

Rоry McCune

@kalina phhhbt as if I would be daft enough to do such a thing (well not until that flame proof suit I ordered turns up)

CodesInChaos

@RоryMcCune Kalina's wraith burns hotter than the fires of mount doom. Even your magic gadgets won't help you withstand it.

Simon

Kalina's ghost does that?

David Freitag

15:11

Morning

Xander

@kalina I wasn't suggesting I was going to mute you. Or anyone, for that matter.

CodesInChaos

@kalina Truth begets hatred.

Xander

@kalina Although if you have muted me, you can't see this anyway. :-)

David Freitag

@kalina I haven't read them.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag morning, the DMZ is weird again today :P

Xander

15:13

@Simon Tell @kalina I didn't mute her.

CodesInChaos

@DavidFreitag Reading the first one is enough.

Simon

@Xander I'm sure that show knows that.

@kalina kalinuh, xandur didn't mute you.

David Freitag

@CodesInChaos I have them all on audiobook. Same with Dune, and Harry Pothead.

@Xander You presume she didn't also mute @Simon.

Simon

pls, I am the unmutable.

Andrew Smith

@kalina: do you know what kind of psycho-type is the person who thinks that his life and events he sees are the ones on some movies, and most often these are the same movies like fight-club

CodesInChaos

15:15

@Simon *immutable

Andrew Smith

@kalina: was it dissociation or something

Xander

@kalina If I were going to mute someone, it wouldn't be you.

Simon

@CodesInChaos "unchanging over time or unable to be changed."

THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEANT.

My homemade word works much better.

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Since when is the DMZ not weird?

CodesInChaos

@Simon Ignorance is a virtue.

Xander

15:17

@CodesInChaos Ignorance is bliss.

CodesInChaos

@Xander Be strong in your ignorance.

Simon

If none of you stop, I'll be forced to do the pls dance.

M'vy

@DavidFreitag well it's just weirder than usual

CodesInChaos

It's all Ender's fault.

David Freitag

@M'vy I can't be bothered to read the transcript past this page.

Rоry McCune

15:21

@DavidFreitag when no-one's here :)

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Nope, even then it's still passively weird.

kalina

I can't even go AFK without people assuming I've put them on mute!

also seriously guys, 10 pings... I only went to get coffee

Simon

Xandur almost had a panic attack.

kalina

@Xander aww, do note that I have screenshotted this and logged the message id for future reference

Simon

lololol

kalina

15:30

it's been added to the relatively tiny "list of 1000 nice things that have been said to me on Stack Exchange but probably not meant"

which is overshadowed by the "list of 100000 nasty things that have been said to me on Stack Exchange and definitely were meant"

and the "list of 40000000 instances of mod abuse against me that somebody is definitely going to pay for eventually"

Simon

I feel like the list should be bigger than 100k.

kalina

@Simon I ignore duplicates on that list

Simon

Oh, I see.

JohnP

Anyone here listening to any of the keynotes of the online Azurecon this morning?

kalina

dataset was becoming too unworldly otherwise

JohnP

15:31

*unwieldy

kalina

nobody needs a Google size database to log all the instances of being people nasty

Simon

@JohnP pls windows

kalina

@JohnP joke is on you, I meant unworldly

JohnP

@kalina Oh, ok so you were being deliberately obtuse. Got it.

@Simon It's what we have to work with.

Rоry McCune

@Simon 'cause you're enjoying your Gnome3 experience sooooo much :op

kalina

15:33

@JohnP I do not see how that was being obtuse, or why this particular two line conversation would be worth insulting me to a level that would make Andy Dufresne escape prison

Simon

@RоryMcCune Actually it's fine, it's just a different approach.

JohnP

@kalina Because I haven't seen you in a few days, had some excess vitriol saved up. :p

kalina

it's just entirely unnecessary

Simon

@JohnP Poor man.

@kalina Want a free release to add to your sets?

JohnP

@Simon Yeah, well, Linux/Unix infosec are all somewhat foreign concepts to me.

Rоry McCune

15:35

@Simon Gnome isn't fine, Gnome is never fine. Gnome was made by linux people who wanted to lock down the GUI which is the antithesis of linux GUIs

JohnP

I understand them conceptually, but being able to do anything effectively in them? Not anytime soon :(

kalina

@JohnP well don't, if I were to start on you before even saying hi you'd probably just ban me, so it's not cool the other way around

Simon

@RоryMcCune pls, you're working on windoes.

kalina

@Simon from my perspective, all releases are free

Simon

@kalina You're a perspective.

JohnP

15:35

@kalina Bah, the only person I've ever banned was another mod as a prank.

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune YES. THIS.

Rоry McCune

@Simon I work with Windows/Linux/Mac OSX depends on what works best for the task at hand, but when I use linux, I sure as heck don't use Gnome if I have a choice

David Freitag

@JohnP That's hysterical.

kalina

@JohnP well I don't know that and I don't know you so I will always react badly to such things until one or both of the first circumstances change

Simon

I USE UNITY, I GET TO LIKE IT EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE TELL THE WORLD THAT THEY HATE IT. THEN, I SWITCH TO GNOME 3 AND PEOPLE ARE MAD ANYWAY.

WHAT AM I MEANT TO USE GOD DAMN IT?

Rоry McCune

15:37

@Simon Pls you probably leave the amazon shopping lens enabled too

kalina

@Simon Windows

David Freitag

@Simon Dude how can you use unity? My brain actively refuses to let me use anything but lube.

Rоry McCune

@Simon LXDE, XFCE ....

kalina

@Simon See, the problem is that because you care about what other people think, you've already failed as a Linux user anyway

Simon

@RоryMcCune I kept getting weird glitches on XFCE.

JohnP

15:37

So...at the risk of starting a holy war, what is the best linux distro to throw on a laptop for learning purposes?

Rоry McCune

@Simon that's part of the Linux GUI experience, if you want glitch free use Windows :op

kalina

@JohnP this is entirely off topic and you must delete this message immediately

Simon

@RоryMcCune pls OS X

kalina

you are not allowed to start an OS war in here

Simon

@JohnP I'd say Ubuntu.

Rоry McCune

15:38

@JohnP realistically Debian based have best support, I use ubuntu or debian but I hear good things about Mint

JohnP

@kalina Always assume I am not serious when making jokes/insults/harassing unless I let you know otherwise. I'm really not that serious a person.

kalina

@JohnP I can't make that assumption, I made that assumption when I first started using SE and it ended badly for me

David Freitag

@JohnP Depends on the specs, if you're low on ram I'd go with Lubuntu because LXDE is extremely lightweight, or Xubuntu because XFCE is miles better than Unity.

Rоry McCune

@Simon OSX is ok for some stuff, but it's unix implementation is weird

kalina

since we're all just spouting OS names I suggest we go with Gentoo

since Gentoo is the best operating system

and all other Linuxes wish they were Gentoo

Rоry McCune

15:39

@kalina well once you have your new 8-core 16-thread CPU that'll likely work

JohnP

What about..uh...red cap? I heard good things about it.

Simon

hat, red hat.

JohnP

you sure?

kalina

blue hat

Simon

Yes.

David Freitag

15:40

@JohnP Red Hat is not free IIRC.

JohnP

@DavidFreitag everything is free in one form or another.

Simon

@DavidFreitag No but he could go with Fedora.

Rоry McCune

CentOS is an OSS implementation of Redhat

Simon

Or that ^

David Freitag

@Simon I've never used fedora

kalina

15:40

it's all about Mandriva

Rоry McCune

@Simon is their "break lots of stuff with each release" thing getting better? that's why I stopped using it

David Freitag

Or CentOS for that matter

kalina

if you can't slackware, you can't linux

Simon

@DavidFreitag It was ok until I tried to upgrade it and wiped my Windows partition.

@RоryMcCune Refer to my last message :p

kalina

OpenBSD is the best Linux

JohnP

15:41

ZOMGZOMG THERE IS A HANNAH MONTANA LINUX

Rоry McCune

@kalina pls, casual, LFS or nothing

kalina

Mac OS X is the best BSD

David Freitag

@Simon I have stopped dual booting and started using VMs because fuck dual booting

Simon

@DavidFreitag Agreed.

JohnP

Wait...there is an Apartheid Linux? And a Satanic Linux? Uhm...

kalina

15:41

the best Linux is a VM running in Hyper V

...on Windows

David Freitag

I suppose I should try for Docker, but last I checked the windows client for Docker was just a Virtualbox extension or something

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag so there is a docker implementation on Windows server 2016 TP3 as well as MS' container thing, but for most stuff yep, it's boot2docker in a Hyper-V/Virtualbox VM

kalina

does the religious OS superwar require AviD or something in order to provide the spark?

Rоry McCune

works quite well

David Freitag

@kalina I believe so, yes.

Simon

15:43

From what I've heard docker is good for automating VM installations?

kalina

I've not tried my best because really my heart isn't in it and I don't care since I'm a Windows fangirl

but I was hoping for some drama

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah, helps get them onto your AS/400

JohnP

What about openSuse?

Simon

@RоryMcCune lololol

Oh how I don't miss AS/400 one bit.

David Freitag

@JohnP Never used Suse, but I haven't heard anything bad about them.

Rоry McCune

15:44

@Simon yeah people who like AS/400 have to be quite a bit weird

Simon

@JohnP You really gotta try them to know.

@RоryMcCune Definitely the nurdiest nurdz.

Rоry McCune

@Simon well apart from @LucasKauffman and his OS/390 emulators

that's the top level right there

kalina

pls, you're all nurds in here

I'm like, literally the only normal person in here

Simon

@RоryMcCune God damn, I didn't even know that was a thing.

JohnP

@RоryMcCune Hey, AS/400 was one of my first school exposures. Along with VAX/VMS

kalina

15:45

is VAX like a dyson?

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah ask him about his hercules experiment

@kalina well it sucks like a dyson sure

Simon

@RоryMcCune Was the conclusion...... strong?

kalina

@RоryMcCune I guess nobody is going to make a your mom comment

Rоry McCune

@Simon not sure, you'd need to ask him...

@kalina it would appear not

David Freitag

@kalina That's because it was implied. Too easy.

Also, that and @Iszi isn't around.

S.L. Barth

15:51

Hello, @DeerHunter. I saw your comment and decided it was best to take any discussion here, and not under the troll post.

So, if I get it right, that poster had been trolling here? And the question was just a deliberately bad question?

Simon

@S.L.Barth He won't see this, his name doesn't autocomplete, a mod would have to ping him.

S.L. Barth

@Simon Ok... well, it's not that important.

JohnP

@DeerHunter

Simon

@JohnP Cheers.

JohnP

@S.L.Barth - Pinged him for you.

David Freitag

15:53

@JohnP PAAAANG

S.L. Barth

@JohnP Thanks.

For those interested - it was about this: security.stackexchange.com/questions/101430/…

JohnP

@kalina - You're a windows fangirl?

Simon

@S.L.Barth Ah, I guess that's because of the name "schroederfag" which could be an attack to the mod.

Rоry McCune

@Simon it's you, isn't it :op

S.L. Barth

@Simon I did actually consider that, but I decided to give them the advantage of doubt.

Simon

15:55

@RоryMcCune Yes, I'm also the andrew guy.

Rоry McCune

@Simon ohh nice attempted cover up, the absurdist angle

Simon

:D

TildalWave

@JohnP so I wonder what that "invite this user to..." does here chat.stackexchange.com/users/61200/deer-hunter :P

JohnP

@TildalWave For me it only allows me to invite him to mos eisley.

S.L. Barth

Hello @DeerHunter .

TildalWave

15:58

ah here he is, hey @DeerHunter

Deer Hunter

@S.L.Barth - hello, yeah, it was the name.

I flagged it...

TildalWave

@JohnP you could always change your parent site in your chat profile, I guess

S.L. Barth

@DeerHunter I flagged the post itself, since it's study/career advice.

JohnP

@TildalWave Sure, if I want to lose the diamond. :p

Deer Hunter

Hi everybody

S.L. Barth

15:59

If the username is indeed meant to attack a mod, then it's probably some childish attempt at vengeance for closed posts.

RoraΖ

-2

Q: Skill set for Vulnerability Researcher

I would like to become a vulnerability researcher for IoT (Internet of Things) and firmware related to the automotive industry (Telematics, ECUs and so on). Which programming languages should I learn to support me in that endeavor? How can I get started with Reverse Engineer?

vulnerability c

User name...

Simon

@RoraΖ pls, read up.

RoraΖ

no

Simon

Wanna wrestle old man?

RoraΖ

bring it you donut

TildalWave

16:00

@JohnP lose it, lose it!

S.L. Barth

That post will be gone soon enough. I just wanted to ask DeerHunter if this user had been trolling more today.

Simon

@RoraΖ :OOOO

Deer Hunter

@S.L.Barth - not yet.

S.L. Barth

If there was any indication of trolling besides the username.

RoraΖ

@S.L.Barth he's only got the one question

Simon

16:01

@RoraΖ It could have had been deleted.

Well, they*.

S.L. Barth

@RoraΖ True, but it wouldn't be the first troll to make multiple accounts.

RoraΖ

@Simon Good point

JohnP

@TildalWave "You got to lose it lose it, you want to lose it lose it" (with apologies to dreamworks)

RoraΖ

I can make multiple accounts!? RAMPAGE

Simon

@RoraΖ Imagine all the rep I could get!

I'd probably reach 100 rep on all accounts by 2025.

RoraΖ

16:02

@JohnP Lord Lord Lord, I am Lord.

Deer Hunter

@S.L.Barth - haven't seen anything else by the same individual.

S.L. Barth

@Simon Fun thing I discovered last week: 20 1-rep accounts allow you to chat.

TildalWave

@S.L.Barth hahaha that's cute

Deer Hunter

@S.L.Barth - the bugrep is at least 6 months old at MetaSE (AFAIR)

S.L. Barth

@DeerHunter Ok, thanks for letting me know!

@DeerHunter I've been looking for it when I heard it, but couldn't find it.

Deer Hunter

16:05

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Q: I was able to post in chat with less than 20 rep

I joined 20 other sites (out of the many) and even with 1 rep was able to post in any of the chatrooms. For example: In ELL, I have just 1 rep and have posted messages in its chat. ell.stackexchange.com/users/18923/lamart This seems like a bug because I should have needed 20 rep to post. ...

bug reputation chat privileges

S.L. Barth

I had to try it out, of course, so I gave my sock puppet FractionalRadix 20 memberships... and indeed, it worked.

@DeerHunter Thanks! Well, that post has my vote.

Simon

@S.L.Barth Oh cheers buddy, that is definitely the quickest way to get to 20 rep if I want to make a chat bot at one point.

TildalWave

@Simon you could always create another account to suggest edits to your own contributions, then request those accounts to be merged ... you'll then still keep 2 rep for each suggested edit that you approved on your own posts LOL

Simon

@TildalWave I'm sure that @kalina will be happy to hear that.

Deer Hunter

@S.L.Barth - have set a bounty on the Q at MSE.

Okay, cheers everybody, got to go.

S.L. Barth

16:09

@DeerHunter Nice. Shog will get 50 points

Adios!

TildalWave

@S.L.Barth nooooooooo

he can just run some update SQL

S.L. Barth

@TildalWave Too late to protest it now!

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop @AviD @schroeder wanna nuke this joker please? security.stackexchange.com/users/87947/schroederfag?tab=profile

schroeder

it's hard not to take his name personally ...

S.L. Barth

I can only pity people who are that childish.

schroeder

16:21

I edited his username :)

Simon

Why don't you edit it to "ImAFuckFace" instead?

S.L. Barth

@schroeder Brilliant! Didn't know mods could do that...?!

JohnP

@S.L.Barth It's astonishing how many people see implying that a person is homosexual as a stinging putdown.

schroeder

@JohnP ummm

@JohnP serious transitive logic error there

Simon

@JohnP Well, "fag" is definitely pejorative.

You wouldn't refer to someone's sexuality by calling him a "fag" in a respectful way.

S.L. Barth

16:28

Meanwhile - is it a new thing that elected mods can change usernames? Because that's pretty scary.

RoraΖ

@JohnP Yeah it's an offensive term regardless

@S.L.Barth I, for one, embrace our new moderator overlord

S.L. Barth

@RoraΖ Not like we have much of a choice, do we? :-)

I'm not worried about our current mods, I trust them to not abuse this power. But it is something I'd expect only SE employees to be able to do.

RoraΖ

@S.L.Barth it took them a year to get us the new profile, you think they pay attention to us at all?

JohnP

@kalina - The keynotes for the Azurecon right now are interesting, if you aren't already listening.

David Freitag

Mmmmm lunch

JohnP

16:33

@S.L.Barth Why? With the many thousands of users and flags, restricting it would be overload on the employees. And, if a mod abuses it, s/he will soon be a mod no longer.

S.L. Barth

@JohnP True, but by the time a mod had abused it, the damage would already be done.

schroeder

@S.L.Barth it would also be easily reversed

S.L. Barth

@schroeder It's not a problem in practice. In theory, a power-abusing mod could seriously harm a new user.

Well, I've got to go. It's been fun. See you around!

JohnP

16:52

@S.L.Barth l8r

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