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2:27 AM
Seems my oven doesn't really heat up very evenly.
 
Greetings
@DavidFreitag Yeah, you might need to check on it. Is it electrical?
 
@IsmaelMiguel Yup
 
Then the resistence is dying
Probably the top one
 
It isn't really my oven
 
My over does the same thing
 
2:30 AM
I'll only be using it for a few more months anyway
 
Then it isnt a problem. Just rotate it
But, I came here with a mission
 
No, you can't have any of my bacon.
 
Me and a few more users on CodeReview are making a "chat translator"
We called it Memer
The idea is that when someone says a meme, instead of asking endlessly what it means, the user runs a Javascript and it interprets the messages with a title and a link to the meta post
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Q: The Memes of Information Security

Andrey BotalovThere are memes common to whole Stack Exchange. But after spending some time in The DMZ it becomes evident that Information Security has it's own memes (e.g. rory). I therefore propose that this space be used to document the memes endemic to Information Security's culture. One meme per answer p...

That post, for this website
And I came here to ask if I could test the data I've lifted from there
You can check the codebase on github.com/ismael-miguel/memer
 
@IsmaelMiguel The only issue with that is that there exist memes which are not listed in that post.
 
Those are acquired like how I'm doing: asking directly if there are more
But you went ahead
Not a problem, and I was going to get there eventually
 
2:34 AM
I know that there are more, but this bacon must be affecting my memory.
 
I didn't lifted all anyway, but just enough to make it testable
If possible, may I tesk it here?
It won't take 5 minutes
 
It's probably alright, it's pretty dead in here for another few hours anyway.
 
Can you blurt out some memes, please?
(Good thing this is a test. It already failed!)
 
What, like, how impressively old @RoryAlsop is?
 
For example
But put some Bears and stuff in it
 
2:38 AM
TWSS.
 
I don't have that
What does it mean?
 
That's what she said.
 
Nice one!
 
You should also probably take note of @Simon's mom's enormous size. You've probably noticed her in the sky at night.
 
Where? That black thing behind the stars?
 
2:40 AM
And also @AviD's obsession with her, poor woman. He can't go five minutes without pining after her.
@IsmaelMiguel Now you're getting it :]
 
I think it was too evil
 
Don't worry, if you're here for long enough, this place will change that attitude
 
I doubt
Stuff envolving family always hit hard on me
Alright, I somewhat tested what I wanted
 
@IsmaelMiguel Ah, no worries. Anything that happens here is all in good fun.
 
Still
Anyway
You want to test it yourself?
The only requirement is really pasting the code into the console and done.
All the code is there and easily readable (in my opinion).
The only worrying thing is really Rory's name
It's all... roryed...
There, it isn't roryed anymore!
Anyway, have a good night
If you find anything wrong, please, ping me
 
3:40 AM
I leave for ONE night and I get 15 notifications? What's wrong with you lads?
@RоryMcCune Thank you lad.
 
 
1 hour later…
4:52 AM
@AviD HA!
 
 
2 hours later…
6:44 AM
@IsmaelMiguel Ah hah - other Rory confused you with his unroryable name
 
:o
morning
@ThomasPornin if you had to choose a hashing algorithm from the competition which is not Makwa which would you choose?
 
@Simon I know right?
 
7:03 AM
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A: What are the chances of a normal Internet user being hacked or infected by malware?

Atsby Say I'm a normal Internet user [...] what are the chances that I will get hacked or malware find a way into my PC? 100%

lol
 
I have a client where they are constantly restoring backups on ntheir network shares because their employees keep installing cryptolocker
 
maybe they see it as a useful encryption tool :-)
 
7:29 AM
@DavidFreitag so just make sure you turn it around once in a while.
@LucasKauffman you should ask @CodesInChaos that. Then we can start taking bets.
@RoryAlsop hehehe
or maybe they really hate the sysadmins
or "this is just how we've always done things here!"
 
heya
 
heh, thats my new rickroll
 
hm
 
7:49 AM
@AviD huh?
 
@DavidFreitag the tray
in the oven
not the oven itself
 
@AviD Oh... I may have made a terrible mistake then.
 
heh
 
I'm about to watch the doctor die.
 
Which doctor?
 
7:55 AM
@RoryAlsop Ahh tifu although it should really be called "at some point in the past I .. messed.. up"
 
@M'vy spoilers
 
that's back in two months!
 
hm
 
@RоryMcCune too many!
@DavidFreitag which time
@RоryMcCune sadly still havent been able to find the christmas special :-(
 
@AviD a bit of a whovian are you?
 
7:59 AM
The question is: season 8? or before?
 
@RоryMcCune just a bit
 
@AviD shame :( you'd think it'd be around somewhere...)
 
@AviD I'm still waiting for the 8th to hit netflix catalog.
 
@RоryMcCune I heard once somebody claim that "whovian" is intended as an insult, but whovians are too dissonance to realize
 
@AviD really, I don't think of it as an insult, just a descriptive term
 
8:00 AM
right?
unlike Trekkie.
 
@AviD yeah that has more of a pejorative ring to it
 
and still, their cognitive dissonance has them self-identifying as Trekkies, proudly.
Damn trekkies.
 
6 mins ago, by David Freitag
@M'vy spoilers
 
Greetings
@RoryAlsop Not at all. It was really your name. And playing around with the Memer.
 
Adi
8:48 AM
h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VarOSltGR5Q (NSFW)
A Finnish political party's campaign ad in 2012
This country is.. sigh
 
Try U.S.A.
You can carry a gun outside
But you can't have a chocolate egg
You'll be arrested for it, and already happened in the past.
 
9:03 AM
@IsmaelMiguel you can't carry in an egg into the US, then you'll be arrested, similar to not being allowed taking in certain animal derived foods or raw vegetables
 
@LucasKauffman I'm talking about a chocolate egg
(BTW, is that Carl from Llamas with Hats?)
 
@IsmaelMiguel yea you are talking about a chocolate egg which was categorized as being not fit for the consumption market in the US
@IsmaelMiguel It would be similar as bringing in certain foods into Australia or the EU, you will get fined/arrested if you do it on a large scale
 
@ScottPack !!!!!! M’vey!!!??!??! :) :)
 
@IsmaelMiguel which was the case in the US where they had a Canadian Kinder egg smuggling ring
 
That is one of the occurrences
 
9:07 AM
@IsmaelMiguel it is, @LucasKauffman == Carl, so be careful if he ever invites you on a cruise or a holiday to south america..
 
And it is unfit because kids would try to swallow the entire egg, without checking what is inside
@RоryMcCune I would love to! As long as he doesn't stab me 37 times in the chest and takes off my hands, cook and eat them. Or swallows me when trying to pour a drink for him.
@LucasKauffman What does it say about a country where they have to ban an egg because kids would choke on it?
It's mindblowingly.... sad ....
 
@IsmaelMiguel if you're really lucky he may open an interdimensional rift full of babies hands for you!
 
@IsmaelMiguel eeehm, it happens in the EU as well, it's not just a US thing
 
@RоryMcCune I would prefer orphan meat
@LucasKauffman I know, but not to the point of being required to ban it
 
9:24 AM
@IsmaelMiguel eeehm, Ketchup is banned in france for use in schools, marmite is banned in Denmark, Absinthe is banned in several countries still, certain jelly sweets in the EU
 
@LucasKauffman meat dragons are unreasonably banned in many countries
 
@LucasKauffman Ketchup may be a health-related thing, no idea what marmite is, Absinthe is a really strong drink and most can't handle and certain jelly stuff may have chemicals that may not be healthy
 
@IsmaelMiguel exactly, and children can swallow Kinder eggs,
I'm not saying it's stupid, I'm just saying it's not just a US thing,
 
@LucasKauffman But it is WAY worst there, compared to the entire world
 
and yes there are arrests, but it's for smuggling in food considered illegal
the same there would be arrests in Denmark if you smuggle in a truck of marmite
 
9:29 AM
What's marmite anyway?
 
@IsmaelMiguel I don't think it's worse than the entire world, there are other examples like Singapore banning chewing gum
@IsmaelMiguel a yeast based spread for bread, quite salty in taste
 
ah man.... there's a limitation on candidacy post :S
 
jeez. just had an hour long nap (didnt wake from the 20 minute buzzer) and I'm still downright exhausted. What the hell, man?
 
@AviD sleep cycles :)
 
9:33 AM
@M'vy no, I do the cycles.
I'm not even trying for polyphasic now, just needed a nap.
 
I mean 1h gets you in deep sleep?
 
@AviD it's because when you go over the first 20 minutes to 30 minutes your brain produces a natural sleeping hormone, so if you wake up after an hour you just feel sleepy because you've still have all of it in your system
 
Not the best phase to wake up
 
@M'vy 20 minutes gets you in deep sleep, if youre doing it right.
ah thats true. good point.
 
that's why "power naps" are usually 20m
 
9:34 AM
@M'vy right, exactly.
was what I was aiming for.
 
The next best is ~1h30
 
usually works just fine.
 
complete cycle
 
MY POINT IS that I am become a tired old man.
I'm supposed to be a cranky old man, not a tired one.
 
@AviD soon you will need to have a blanket to keep your legs warm
Technology will start moving too fast
you will start saying "back in my day"
 
9:36 AM
@LucasKauffman I'm already there, I have the heating on in the Middle of July..
 
@RоryMcCune you live in Scottland, it would be weird if you didn't
 
@LucasKauffman nooo... actually, you might be on to something, my legs are too darn warm.
must be the weather tiring me out.
 
@RоryMcCune you only have 4 days of summer
@AviD watch out for the heat though, you here a lot of elderly people having a stroke because of hot weather
 
@LucasKauffman we're having one of them today..
 
@RоryMcCune heh, adorable, they dont even come sequentially?
 
9:40 AM
@AviD hells no, it's back to rain tomorrow AFAIK
 
hell, links counts toward the character limit...
 
@M'vy your face counts to the character limit.
 
@AviD argh don't Simon me :)
 
@M'vy don't simon your face
:-)
 
:)
ok finally got that
 
9:51 AM
hey @M'vy you nominated! cool
you might wanna edit that first sentence tho :))
> Hell, I am Yves.
 
@TildalWave lol.
Well, there goes my extra character left :)
@TildalWave I always do :)
 
cool, I've never seen elections on sec.se yet
I heard they're quite boring :)
 
@TildalWave it's a hard political battle
slandering between candidates
to sway the people towards one party or the other
 
digging up old source code of the contenders where you can find MD5 password hashing without salt
 
9:56 AM
@TildalWave lol I prefer the first version.
 
oh now it's a party system is it?
 
Hells yeah, that's my name!
 
Ok, now you put AC/DC in my head
 
@TildalWave no, he's talking about the post-election partying.
@M'vy is candidate a verb?
 
@TildalWave pictures of Simon sniffing copious amounts of sugarpowder from donuts
 
9:57 AM
of course! I'm not British so I'm not scared of abusing an adjective as a verb :P
 
good question
 
I am all for verbing all words, but never tried candidating before.
 
interesting!
 
@AviD candid - to candidate :)
 
9:59 AM
Hell, I would have invented a new use otherwise
 
like conjugal - conjugate :D
 
yeah babay, lets conjugate some verbs!
 
OK, how do I do that?
 
@TildalWave no one really knows
 
I need a bit of help ...
who sings that crazy "happy birthday" song?
reminds me a bit of Cindy Lauper but it's not her, something newer
might be some Japanese band?
 
10:08 AM
I would have say Marilyn, but newer...
 
it's a female vocalist, bright red/orange dyed hair, short I think
not sure it's Japanese, dunno why I thought of that (but it still could be)
the song is not a remake of that classic happy bday song
 
vivaldi.net/en-US/blogs/entry/the-poodle-has-friends <-- interesting if people are interested in the details of SSL/TLS implementations
 
raz
11:05 AM
@RоryMcCune Hmmm do I want bearlike skills?
 
11:19 AM
How come there are no tower-defence games based on a IT security guy trying to protect his company network?
 
@MartinRoryIngesen There is. You can pay Cisco a few million to get your own copy of it.
 
@AviD Tempting.
 
raz
Seriously... another rory?
 
@raz its a fake.
 
raz
@AviD Do we know for sure...
 
11:23 AM
Too young to be a rory :)
 
@raz well.. he said so. And we must trust his word, because he is Rory.
But if we trust him - then he is not Rory! And then we shouldnt trust him... which means he IS rory! Oh damn!
 
Paradoxes...
 
raz
*mind blown
 
It is the Singurority, I tell you.
 
11:32 AM
Repent now, and thou shalt be roryncarnated.
 
@M'vy Yes dear?
 
@ScottPack ya misspelled mah name :)
 
ya know I just realised something... I think we have a closet old person in our midst...
From the mod election "experience in hacking and security since the early 80's"
so either old or precocious or both!
 
@M'vy Whoops. If that's editable I'll fix it when I get to a computer.
 
11:47 AM
@ScottPack yeah it is
Hell, I know that :)
 
@RоryMcCune My first computer was a brand new Amiga 1000. So it's hard to say.
Speaking of which, I should probably get out of bed. Work work work.
 
@ScottPack yeah but would you say you were involved in security and hacking relating to that computer...?
 
Btw @ScottPack we're the only 2 who have nominated in all elections :)
 
@RоryMcCune lol wat
 
@RоryMcCune No because I try very hard not to over state anything I do or have done. Makes resume writing trick some to be sure.
@M'vy I think that says we either like t-shirts or are masochists.
 
11:52 AM
@ScottPack I like t-shirts as well. :)
 
Do they come in T sizes?
 
@ScottPack well, I definitely like t-shirts. And I'll reserve my answer on the last part :)
 
@TerryChia inorite, in that comment thread there's Yishan wong (ex-CEO), Ellen Pao (Ex-CEO) and Sam Altmann (Y-Combinator dude)
 
12:14 PM
Editing nomination: too long by 959 characters
......
 
We're like the Sec.SE Bob Dole. "I totally got a chance this time!"
@MartinRoryIngesen The max length is 1205 characters.
 
5 ?
would have said 1200
 
The site says 1200 @ScottPack
I'll have to cut some content later then.
 
I take it the obvious hacks like using an image or link to get in more content have been blocked...
 
Probably not.
 
12:19 PM
They must not count certain characters then. As I was removing 1500 from mine my reported overage was consistently showing 1205 as the max length.
 
@RоryMcCune links url do count toward the limit
I would say, they should allow to put internal stack links for free
like links to meta posts, or question /answers on the main
 
Hmmm. Which characters would I have had 5 of...
 
Special doughnut character?
 
I wonder if I had any errant \ns. I could see those being stripped.
 
> We all know that that's what she said, but why did she say that?

@Gilles seriously :P
argh damn markdown
 
12:28 PM
@LucasKauffman Honestly I would not choose any algorithm which has not yet been at least "stabilized". From what I see, the really important thing is not the algorithm you choose, but how you configure it (CPU usage, memory usage...).
The rumour seems to be that Argon and Catena are somewhat in the lead.
 
@ThomasPornin which intrigues you the most between those two?
plot twist: all algorithms were submitted by Thomas Pornin's alter egos
 
@LucasKauffman I have not looked at them in details.
In fact I am not overly fond of the whole "memory hard" theme.
The idea of memory hardness is to make life hard for an attacker who builds his own ASIC, but most discussions on ASIC begin by assuming that the attacker can get the same technology as Intel for the same per-chip price, which is unrealistic.
What I tend to prefer are designs that use a moderate amount of RAM, enough to prevent GPU-based optimizations, but not too much to avoid making servers DoS themselves.
Basically, bcrypt is fine.
 
@ThomasPornin scrypt isn't ?
I heard there are timing attacks on it, but I don't fully understand them
 
@LucasKauffman It is not bad for what it was designed for, which is disk encryption; but for an authentication server, it tends to suck up resources for no actual benefit.
 
@LucasKauffman but then, you wouldn't fully understand a telephone book.
WOW I am cranky today.
 
12:37 PM
The main problems with bcrypt are the limitation on password length, and the limitation on output length. Both can be solved easily (a hash on input, a KDF on output) but this would need some standardization.
 
@ThomasPornin thanks
 
@ThomasPornin I have recently arrived at the opinion that for organizations with their own networks (not cloud based stuff), it's much simpler, faster and just as secure to have a dedicated server in an isolated part of the network perform HMAC with a key that doesn't leave the server. Do you agree?
 
@AviD It's okay, you slept badly, I understand
 
@LucasKauffman no, I'm not sure you do. That was my point.
Bazinga.
 
@TerryChia and then return the output like a REST API?
 
12:43 PM
@TerryChia This makes sense -- however, big organizations are usually completely unable, administratively, to actually install and run a server with the required isolation.
 
@LucasKauffman It can be a much simpler network protocol. Does't have to involve any HTTP stack even.
@ThomasPornin Fair enough point. :)
 
@ThomasPornin is there an actual benefit to this setup tho
 
@LucasKauffman You can process way more requests (HMAC is much faster than an appropriately configured KDF), it's impossible to bruteforce without the key.
 
@LucasKauffman If you do all the password verification in a dedicated server (or some HMAC as @Terry suggests, which means that the server does not need a database), then that server can limit throughput arbitrarily.
The idea is to have a server that is not hijacked while the rest of your network is plundered.
 
@AviD Hrm? Am I missing something?
 
12:50 PM
@TerryChia true
@TerryChia isn't PKDF2 based on a HMAC?
but yea from a throughput view
 
17 hours ago, by Iszi
@AviD What? You're @Simon brother? You multi fizzler!
17 hours ago, by Iszi
@AviD We've already established you're doing @Simon's mom. And now you say you're supposed to be subject to some "Bro code" in relation to @Simon, therefore you're also @Simon's brother - hence, a literal "mooger fooger".
 
I can understand, the question is how much load it actually causes
 
@LucasKauffman PBKDF2 is based on a PRF which is usually HMAC, but it is not a MAC. PBKDF2, by definition, has no key.
 
@ThomasPornin I thought the password was used to create a key and the salt as the value?
 
@LucasKauffman PBKDF2, as a whole, takes as inputs a password (secret) and a salt (non secret), and expands it into an arbitrary-length output (usually to be used as a key).
HMAC takes as input some data (secret or not) and a key (secret) and outputs a fixed-length MAC value.
 
12:53 PM
aha
 
I mean that you cannot take @Terry's suggestion and replace HMAC with PBKDF2: it makes no sense and does not actually fit.
Now, for the load, HMAC really is two hash function invocations. That's pretty fast.
A basic PC could do millions of HMAC per second.
 

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