The DMZ

AviD

12:00 AM

@Xander the fact that you don't know, worries me.

;-)

Xander

@AviD Ha, touché.

TildalWave

12:19 AM

@AviD oh now you're just bragging :)

@schroeder or lol

Gilles

12:30 AM

121 [AviD](security.stackexchange.com/users/18123/avid)
116 [Terry Chia](security.stackexchange.com/users/41829/terry-chia)
 51 [TildalWave](security.stackexchange.com/users/63964/tildalwave)
 40 [Rory Alsop](security.stackexchange.com/users/2260/rory-alsop)
 28 [Rоry McCune](security.stackexchange.com/users/3249/rry-mccune)
 20 [David Freitag](security.stackexchange.com/users/85545/david-freitag)
 18 [Simon](security.stackexchange.com/users/79519/simon)

^^^^ twss

and pls:

AviD

@Gilles pffft

Gilles

595 [Simon](security.stackexchange.com/users/79519/simon)
 46 [kalina](security.stackexchange.com/users/40979/kalina)
 44 [AviD](security.stackexchange.com/users/18123/avid)
 30 [Rоry McCune](security.stackexchange.com/users/3249/rry-mccune)
 17 [Lucas Kauffman](security.stackexchange.com/users/20882/lucas-kauffman)
 13 [Rory Alsop](security.stackexchange.com/users/2260/rory-alsop)
 13 [Rhino](security.stackexchange.com/users/12409/rhino)
 13 [M&#39;vy](security.stackexchange.com/users/13100/mvy)

AviD

I thought I would have a larger portion of that.

Simon

Does that mean that I have some sort of addiction?

AviD

@Simon addiction, pls

Simon

12:35 AM

pls ovid

Gilles

@AviD good job, you're almost caught up with kalina!

AviD

@Gilles pls

BOOM

Xander

I am not on either list. Either I win, or I lose. @Avid has not told me which.

Simon

One more to be #2!

AviD

AND SHE HAS NO WAY OF CATCHING UP AGAIN

Gilles

12:36 AM

Xander

Given that @Avid is at or near the top of both list, I must assume at this point that I lose.

Oh well. It was a nice run while it lasted.

AviD

@Xander that assumption is based on your assumption of my self-respect.

Xander

@AviD True. You might have a "Do what I say, not what I do" philosophy. I'm hoping for that one.

Simon

That is absolutely my philosophy.

It was so frustrating when my mother would tell me that.

Xander

@Simon You don't really thing people should like doughnuts?

AviD

12:39 AM

@Xander or rather, dont do what I say.

Simon

@Xander Donuts are absolute, everyone should like them.

Donuts are love, donuts are life.

2

Xander

@AviD I'm having a nice gin and tonic, don't confuse me with all your words.

AviD

Exactly.

Xander

@Simon That should be your platform for moderator.

Simon

@Xander Absolutely. Soon, I'll be shaking hands and offering donuts to everyone.

AviD

12:41 AM

@Simon you have my vote. As long as I have your donut.

Simon

MY DONUT?!?

Xander

@Simon Crap, that means I have to vote for you, instead of for myself.

AviD

TO BE CLEAR in my previous statement "donut" was NOT a euphemism.

Simon

@AviD Phew.

@Xander Do we only get one vote?

AviD

@Simon depends how many donuts we get.

@Simon you actually get 3 votes - but only one will count.

Xander

12:43 AM

@Simon Well, I've never stood in an election, but the ones I've voted in, we've gotten a first, second, and third choice IIRC.

Simon

@AviD YOU GET A DONUT, YOU GET A DONUT, EVERYYYYOOONNNNNE GETS A DONUT!

5

@AviD That's what I was expecting, good.

Xander

@Simon What kind of a doughnut?

Simon

@Xander A classic: chocolate glazed.

AviD

@Simon Make mine a Boston Creme.

Simon

pls, don't be so picky.

Xander

12:46 AM

@Simon Hmm...No good. If it doesn't have chocolate glaze and boston creme, I'm out. Unless it's an apple fritter. I'm good with an apple fritter.

Simon

Fine, fine. I'm gonna have to get multiple flavors then.

Xander

@Simon And how will they be shipped? FedEx overnight, with dry ice? I really don't want a stale doughnut that badly.

David Freitag

@Simon I must admit. I have eaten an entire box of a dozen donuts.

@Simon Chocolate glazed with chocolate sauce and chocolate sprinkles.

#Murican

AviD

@Xander oo, no I want a french crueller.

@Simon one of each.

no, two of each.

and get the others whatever they want.

Scott Pack

@Gilles Next I want to see the most commonly said word for each person.

Gilles

1:00 AM

@ScottPack SE search doesn't support that, and there's no API for chat

you'd have to make a hell of a lot of requests, and they have pretty stringent rate limits

AviD

@Gilles unlike @Simon's mom

David Freitag

I wonder how much space the transcripts actually take up

AviD

BOOM

@ScottPack I think mine would be "Simon's mom"

Gilles

@DavidFreitag That should be easy to estimate: yours is message number 22752500

AviD

@DavidFreitag if printed out, they would totally fill every single branch of Dunkin Donuts, Krispy Kreme, and Tim Horton's.

Gilles

1:02 AM

now take a sample to find the average message size

David Freitag

@Gilles Yes, but that's for every chat room ever

I mean just this room.

Gilles

add an estimate of metadata

@DavidFreitag 598264 all time messages

AviD

@Gilles slackers

David Freitag

So I put the bacon in the oven five minutes ago. All I can smell is HEAVEN.

AviD

gotta pick up the pace, if we wanna crack a million by the end of 2015.

David Freitag

1:04 AM

@Gilles How did you find that?

Gilles

@DavidFreitag chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/151/the-dmz

Scott Pack

@Gilles Oh yeah, it would be rough. Gobs of storage space I'm sure.

I wonder if mine would be 'fuck'.

David Freitag

I might write a scraper to pull all of the transcript messages so you lot can run analysis on it.

@ScottPack Or perhaps 'cheese'

Scott Pack

@DavidFreitag That's unlikely.

Gilles

@ScottPack you've said fuck 111 times and cheese only 38 times (in this room)

Scott Pack

1:07 AM

Just based on the web search I have 111 fucks, which surprises me. 38 cheese.

David Freitag

@ScottPack Don't you mean, "That's unlikely as fuck?"

Scott Pack

The number 111 seems rather low. I would have expected much higher.

Gilles

262 including every room

Scott Pack

Again. I expected more.

Gilles

some might have been flagged

David Freitag

1:09 AM

I wish I could bottle a smell and save it for later.

Scott Pack

It's possible.

I know I've been flagged a couple of times.

David Freitag

To my knowledge, I've never been flagged.

Flogged, sure, but not flagged.

Scott Pack

Speaking of flags... I'm going to pour some wine and watch some tv.

David Freitag

1:27 AM

by god that is the most perfect bacon I've ever consumed.

Scott Pack

Bacon is yummy.

David Freitag

Without fail I burn the shit out of it on the stovetop

so it always ends up being awful and disappointing

But now...

Scott Pack

It makes me sad to think that @AviD will never know the perfection that is bacon.

David Freitag

Why not?

Scott Pack

Something about old guys with funny hair saying you shouldn't. I dunno. Sounds like crazy talk to me.

Simon

3:30 AM

@Xander I'll let my engineers decide.

@DavidFreitag I wouldn't dare to buy a dozen because I'm sure that's what I'd end up doing.

David Freitag

@Simon but a dozen is only like a few cents more than half a dozen

Lucas Kauffman

4:39 AM

@ScottPack you know what goes really well with bacon? More bacon!

TildalWave

4:50 AM

and beer

morning!

Lucas Kauffman

morning

TildalWave

that's from Rogue Voodoo Doughnut Bacon Maple Ale porchdrinking.com/voodoo-doughnut-bacon-maple-ale

Rory Alsop

7:05 AM

That looks amazing!

I do like those Rogue Voodoo guys

Rоry McCune

7:49 AM

So IIS-6.0 goes out of support today, I'm sure we won't see many of those left online... well only 1,034,267 exposed to the Internet

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune ... yeah ... cos ... no-one uses that any more...

(It's okay - even we are more recent than that :-) )

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop pphbt windows server 2003, those will have been removed from all large corps and government bodies round the world

I'm sure I'll never have to write a finding about that!

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune lol

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop You bragged with that beer once, didn't you? Or was it pretzel-bacon flavored? Was some pink bottle IIRC. How was it?

Journeyman Geek

8:07 AM

o0

Rory Alsop

8:22 AM

@TildalWave - mine was the pretzel one. It was delicious! Yes - pink bottle

TildalWave

8:44 AM

Oh good, my memory still works. Funny that I'd remember that and I forgot about my birthday this year LOL

Journeyman Geek

That's a true sign of old age.

I mean, I completely forgot my birthday is next saturday ;p

TildalWave

that's OK I forgot to send you a gift anyway :)

Journeyman Geek

Its ok, I don't remember when it is anyway.

Rory Alsop

9:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek I never remember my age. For at least 3 months this year I was 2 years out when folks asked me

Well, it's such a small percentage of the total :-)

CodesInChaos

I don't remember mine either. And I'm not even 30.

lol

date math is hard.

lol

@CodesInChaos when I need to know my age, I just calculate current year minus birth year and then correct for which half of the year I'm in, as I was born in June

Obviously taking into account epoch rollover as needed

inb4 @Iszi

CodesInChaos

10:06 AM

@RoryAlsop But that requires a brain. Not sure if I posses such a device.

ManishEarth

MUH DEMUCRACY

TildalWave

@ManishEarth Jeez dude where have you been?

ManishEarth

Working for EvilCorp

former EvilCorp to be precise

Rory Alsop

@ManishEarth YAY MANISH IN CAPS!

ManishEarth

Also generally busy and doing Rust things.

TildalWave

10:08 AM

@ManishEarth we all work for former EvilCorp

ManishEarth

@TildalWave By former EvilCorp I mean MSFT. Current EvilCorp is, of course, the Google

TildalWave

that's what I meant too :)

which reminds me, this weekend's Mr. Robot should be out no?

Journeyman Geek

heh. Its an interesting show ;p

I'm not sure if anyone but the protoganist, and maybe his dog is real.

(and the hacking scenes arn't too annoying)

ManishEarth

@Simon Election question: How many free sweet bagels will I get if I vote for you?

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek true, and that's a rarity

Journeyman Geek

10:14 AM

Or the hero being a sociopath with social anxiety ;p

TildalWave

that's already been done, e.g. Dexter

Journeyman Geek

Dexter dosen't have social anxiety tho.

and its one of those plot ideas they could horribly mangle.

TildalWave

true

Journeyman Geek

(as someone who has had pretty bad social anxiety, and still has that particular black dog on a leash... ;p)

I'm convinced mr robot is not real

I'm not sure about the crazy hacker chick

CodesInChaos

@ManishEarth I thought you were working for Mozilla, not Microsoft?

ManishEarth

10:16 AM

@CodesInChaos Hah nope

TildalWave

OK then Conspiracy Theory, that's a sociopath with social anxiety

ManishEarth

@CodesInChaos volunteer for Mozilla, intern for Microsoft

Strangely enough, my mornings for this week are filled with Microsoft meetings, and my evenings are filled with Mozilla/Rust videoconfs

@CodesInChaos I could have applied to Mozilla, but my intention behind this internship is to get an idea of the industry and how it would feel to do programming as a career (still not decided on programming vs physics), and I already have an idea of what it's like working with Mozilla.

And I had this msft offer with me, so I took it

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek Not real as in a figment of imagination? Or not real as in not who he's pretending to be?

Journeyman Geek

The former

he's the protoganist's tyler durden

Notice, no one paid attention to him at the bar, or at work

CodesInChaos

@ManishEarth Does that mean that you moved to the US? Or does MS do anything meaningful in other countries?

ManishEarth

10:20 AM

@CodesInChaos No, I'm interning at Microsoft India :)

working on Office for Android. lots of fun work here

Gilles

@CodesInChaos MS Research certainly does meaningful stuff outside the US

CodesInChaos

I thought MS only does boring stuff like support and sales in other countries.

ManishEarth

I can move to the US (I'm a citizen), but I should finish college first, and then decide what I want to do next :P

@CodesInChaos nope. thats outsourcing, that's different I guess. This is a proper MS division

with proper programmers who program and all

There's a large Google office nearby too. (Hyderabad is a sort of tech hub place thing)

CodesInChaos

10:34 AM

DMZ is rather blue today :)

Journeyman Geek

blue? Where?

Gilles

@JourneymanGeek in the leftmost column

Rоry McCune

good lord am I the only non-mod in here?

Journeyman Geek

OH MY GOD. IT IS FULL OF MODS!

4

Gilles

@RоryMcCune NOOOOOO! He broke the chain!

Journeyman Geek

10:42 AM

@RоryMcCune and amusingly many of them arn't mods here ;p

Gilles

@RоryMcCune There's only one way to fix this: you need to get elected

3

Rоry McCune

@Gilles ah but you're all mods so you can just delete it :)

@Gilles ooh no that would be a bad plan(tm) I'm too wishy-washy to be a mod

Journeyman Geek

@RоryMcCune it took a concerted effort of nagging to get me elected.

(not by me. ;p)

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune you've kept @AviD and me right a few times - I reckon you'd be good, actually

ManishEarth

@RоryMcCune It's strange. The DMZ is known to be one of the few slightly-NSFW rooms on the network, and yet all of its regulars are or become mods

(I was a mod before I became a part of the room, but I think Journeyman/Codes/Tildal weren't)

Rоry McCune

10:52 AM

@ManishEarth us... NSFW.... :op we are usually fairly careful about tagging it at least...

ManishEarth

@RоryMcCune heh

by nsfw I also include language :p

Rоry McCune

@ManishEarth well there has been the odd occasion of language not exactly be-fitting a high-brow cereberal discussion forum for sure...

ManishEarth

heh

Journeyman Geek

@ManishEarth: lunatics running the asylum? ;p

ManishEarth

yep

Journeyman Geek

10:55 AM

@ManishEarth: Might be either way

Rory Alsop

@ManishEarth I have a hobby - editing such language to be much f*ckier :-)

ManishEarth

@RoryAlsop ftfy

Gilles

@ManishEarth it's nothing compared to the SF chat

ManishEarth

sure :)

Gilles

and the DMZ isn't particularly NSFW anyway

ManishEarth

11:03 AM

yep

Rоry McCune

@Gilles well not when @AviD isn't here anyway

Gilles

non-professional, yes, but not NSFW

Rоry McCune

@Gilles we could just be being professional potty-mouths!

2

Gilles

@RоryMcCune System administration is off-topic here.

Terry Chia

Man, the nomination candidate score thingy is heavily weighted towards reputation eh?

raz

11:23 AM

Yeah

I'll sit this election year out, maybe next time

Also, flagging a question should have a reason as "Trolling"

-3

Q: Rootkit + Kernel Panic = Boom?

Imagine someone found a Linux exploit that causes a kernel panic and tried to use that to gain root. Would they be successful?

Rory Alsop

11:36 AM

@ManishEarth lol

@TerryChia but that shouldn't actually be a problem here. Odds of us having more than 10 candidates are not that high (my guess)

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Yeah, even the last round had less than 10 IIRC?

I'd like to see @Xander as mod.

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia yeah - which means all candidates will go through to election regardless of rep.

Sure, rep will be part of the assessment folks will make when voting, but only indirectly

Terry Chia

I actually wanted to say that similar to last time, all the candidates are awesome but @Simon nominated himself.

#burn

Rory Alsop

@raz if you feel you could do the job, and want to do the job, nominate - the worst that will happen is you don't get in

raz

@RoryAlsop ehhh responsibility is hard

Rory Alsop

11:53 AM

lol - I have a nice view on modding on various sites. Sec.SE is wonderfully civilised compared to some...

(and I would never want to be a mod on one of the big 3)

raz

@RoryAlsop What are considered the Big 3? SO...

Rоry McCune

@raz .. SF and @Simon 's mom

Rory Alsop

hahahahahaha

raz

lol!

gowenfawr

"We all are new to cryptography and creating our own crypto protocol seems like a good ideea – "

2

1

Q: Safety of RSA/AES combination for server communication

The team of developers I am part of is trying to develop a safe way to exchange sensitive data between a server and mobile devices. We have come up with the following algorithm: 1.Device generates private RSA key, and sends the public key to server. 2.Server generates unique to user AES key an...

cryptography aes rsa

facepalm

Gilles

12:15 PM

@gowenfawr if you paste a link to a comment alone in a chat message, it's shown automatically

We all are new to cryptography and creating our own crypto protocol seems like a good ideea — Adrian Sicaru 10 mins ago

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia Half of the score is reputation. Whether this is "heavy" is subjective.

gowenfawr

Thanks @Gilles I don't spend enough time in chat :)

Gilles

12:38 PM

@TerryChia before the candidate score, reputation was shown there instead, so it's an improvement in any case

I think I read in a meta thread somewhere that they decided to keep half the weight for 20k rep because it reflects how much you've participated in the site's primary purpose (posts)

CodesInChaos

12:52 PM

Do you want this question, or do you already have too many similar ones?

0

Q: Saving passwords in database

I recently studied a lot about writing secure codes and choose secure method to save the password in database. My question is: is it secure to use ready made libraries or API's for this reason? How we can verify the integrtity of those API's? Thanks

passwords

Rory Alsop

yay - that's 5 candidates (or 6 if @Iszi posts a sensible nom :-)

@CodesInChaos Hmmm - not sure we have anything on how to verify API integrity specifically, but we do have a few on how to trust software... so this may be a dupe. It is on topic though

so probably best to ping it through and let's see

Simon

@ManishEarth Every single bagel will be destroyed and replaced by 2 donuts.

@RоryMcCune pls roro

Rоry McCune

@Simon is that 2 Doughnuts per bagel, or 2 doughnuts for all the bagels?

Simon

@RоryMcCune Yes, 2 donuts per bagel.

Rоry McCune

@Simon that's a lot of dough

Simon

1:02 PM

And not a lot of nuts.

Gilles

@RoryAlsop oh no, now I'm going to have to not vote for a good candidate

Simon

Guigui is always mean to me.

Thomas Pornin

1:19 PM

Hello @CodesInChaos

I had a question that bugs me since this morning

How does Yoda speak in the German translation ?

CodesInChaos

I think pretty much the same way as in English.

ending the sentence with subject and then the verb.

gowenfawr

Speak in an agglutinative language Yoda will not.

CodesInChaos

hmm looking at jedipedia.net/wiki/Jediquote:Yoda he seems to speak with better grammar than I remember.

they changed the word order in most sentences, but I don't see an obvious pattern.

Lucas Kauffman

Dat moment you get an EY training and they recommend password hashing with SHA-2

I'm going to kick someone's ass in India

Terry Chia

1:38 PM

@LucasKauffman Ooops.

Lucas Kauffman

"salts are optional"

Simon

@LucasKauffman Man, it just gets better doesn't it?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Lol wtf. Is this the 1980s?

Lucas Kauffman

looks like it

Gilles

@TerryChia Unix was salting passwords in the 1970s

and I don't think it invented the concept

CodesInChaos

1:44 PM

@Gilles AFAIR these salts were too short to work properly

Iszi

@DavidFreitag @TildalWave Yeah, my Inbox said I had a comment on my nomination - probably from a mod/dev - but I can't see what they said since the nom's not there anymore.

CodesInChaos

IMO we still don't understand password hashing.

Iszi

@CodesInChaos How are you defining "we"? My bet is @ThomasPornin understands it just fine.

CodesInChaos

@Iszi I think the question should rather be 'How are you defining "understand"?'

Gilles

@CodesInChaos they were very short but it was DES anyway

Thomas Pornin

1:48 PM

@CodesInChaos I think we have some good notions of what currently known algorithms do, but we are quite dissatisfied with them, and we keep believing that something better must exist.

Iszi

@CodesInChaos I think @ThomasPornin trumps any definition of "understand".

CodesInChaos

All that "sequentially memory hard" stuff is still pretty experimental in my book.

Iszi

@RоryMcCune How's that scandal? @Simon's been saying I'm his ex- dad for quite some time now.

@Gilles Beat me to the punch.

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos I think that part of the problem of password cracking is about economics, and many people neglect that point.

Iszi

Crypto is our "transparent aluminum". And @ThomasPornin is Montgomery Fuckin' Scott.

CodesInChaos

1:51 PM

And IMO big websites should encrypt password hashes using a HSM which prevents key export.

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos This would probably be easier to ensure if existing HSM were not so expensive and so hard to configure and integrate.

Though one can do interesting things with the small HSM known as "TPM".

CodesInChaos

Lucas Kauffman

@ThomasPornin I just Thomas Pornined them

Simon

I blieve that the word you're looking for is Pornininated.

Terry Chia

2:07 PM

@CodesInChaos Been thinking about this a bit. Is a design where you HMAC a password with a HSM and store the results in a DB table secure?

CodesInChaos

@TerryChia If you're comfortable with completely relying on the HSM.

Personally I'd first hash using a normal password hash and then encrypt the hash using the HSM.

Terry Chia

I wish HSMs are more readily available for the hobbyist to play with.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia As I said, one can use an existing TPM as a cheap HSM. A TPM really is a kind of smartcard soldered on the motherboard.

Usually with the same hardware and performance.

Using a TPM does not mean using all the every-code-is-signed model which some people imagined they could achieve with the help of TPM.

Xander

@ManishEarth Ha! Sure enough. I just found you in the GAL. Welcome aboard!

@CodesInChaos MS has some pretty big offices all over the world.

CodesInChaos

2:23 PM

@Xander At least in Germany they only seem to have one small MS research lab. Plus boring stuff like sales and support.

Mrtn

@CodesInChaos Ditto in Norway.

Xander

@CodesInChaos We have a few thousand folks in Germany, but you may be right that they're mainly sales and support. We have a huge global support organization.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack:

5

A: Why does aviation use Zulu time instead of the local time?

Zulu time, used in aviation quite often, is another name for UTC (Coordinated Universal Time (French: temps universel coordonné)). It is the primary time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time. It is, within about 1 second, mean solar time at 0° longitude; it does not observe dayli...

Xander

@CodesInChaos Even in the U.S. product dev is mostly concentrated in Redmond...Most of the other big offices are sales, support, and services.

TildalWave

@Iszi have you figured it out what happened then?

have you tried rigging elections before they even started? :)

CodesInChaos

2:33 PM

CSRF all the elections.

Iszi

@TildalWave Not authoritatively. But I think it's fairly accurate to assume the devs didn't like my toying with the nomination form and just nuked it.

@RoryAlsop Okay, I'll bite... Why'd they pick "J" as the letter to skip?

Too many guys making dirty jokes about Juliet or something?

Gilles

@Iszi risk of confusion with I presumably

Iszi

@Gilles Dunno how you mistake "India" for "Juliet". For that matter, I would have probably picked one of the "country name" letters instead to reduce confusion.

Gilles

@Iszi when it's written down

as a letter, I mean, obviously not the codewords

Iszi

INDIA vs JULIET - Nope

Yeah, but seriously what's more confusing? I vs J or "We'll be leaving Mumbai at 0630 India time."?

ManishEarth

2:42 PM

@Xander My internship actually gets over in a week :P

Xander

@ManishEarth Boo!

ManishEarth

Though the way things are going they're probably going to offer me a job post-graduation

Perhaps

Though I probably won't take it (higher studies is a greater priority for me)

Iszi

Or how about "We'll arrive in Montreal at 1945 Quebec time."?

ManishEarth

@Xander who/is is down, otherwise I would have stalked you and all of your managers

:P

Xander

@ManishEarth Yeah, understandable. Hopefully the experience has been a good one.

ManishEarth

2:45 PM

@Xander Yes, it has!

Xander

@ManishEarth LOL

ManishEarth

And the primary reason I took it was fulfilled -- got an idea of how programming as a job is like, outside of Mozilla

Iszi

Interestingly enough, during DST, Quebec time is Quebec time.

ManishEarth

@Xander fact: when I first discovered that site I stalked my management chain all the way up to Nadella on it

but then I got bored

who-works-on-what and what-minions-do-they-have is only interesting for so long

TildalWave

@Iszi you pen tested it or what?

Iszi

2:51 PM

@TildalWave No. Just used  and   to post a blank form.

TildalWave

oh

can't nominate with a tabula rasa... we need dirt on you, otherwise how can you ever be trusted?

Iszi

It's a minor issue all of SE has had hanging open since... like, forever.

Xander

@ManishEarth Ha.

@ManishEarth Yeah. It is super useful though, when you meet someone new (or going to have a meeting with them) to figure out how they fit into the scheme of things.

ManishEarth

@Xander yep

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi Maybe the possible confusion was not between I and J, but between G and J ?

ManishEarth

2:54 PM

@Xander In my case I used it to find other interns and find out who I'm going to be talking to before approaching them :p

Iszi

@ThomasPornin Don't see how. The letters don't at all look similar, and "Golf" vs. "Juliet" - nope.

ManishEarth

(in case I needed to ask someone for something and I had no idea who they actually were)

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi If the letter is merely pronounced (like "gee" and "jay"), these two are very close, especially when whoever talks is from Texas.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin If that's what you're going after, there's plenty more letters with more conflicts than that. I probably would have just nuked E.

With a choppy transmission, that intersects with B, C, D, G, P, V, Z.

Interesting tidbit: The ICAO phonetic alphabet has 2 Greek letters, 6 given names (or 26, if you're from Hollywood), 2 countries, and 1 cop-out.

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