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2:05 AM
@Pearsonartphoto - I'm curious, did you end up getting a tablet, and if so, how do you like it?
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Q: What image tablet can you recommend on a budget?

PearsonartphotoI'm looking for a tablet to use in illustrating on a computer, priced between $150-$200. Any recommendations?

 
2:27 AM
I did end up getting one for my wife. She loves it, but doesn't use it as often as I would hope.
@rfusca: That video is awesome:-)
 
@Pearsonartphoto Is it the Bamboo? You might consider borrowing it for photo retouching, too.
 
Actually, we ended up getting a slightly more expensive one, an Intuos.
 
@Pearsonartphoto Very nice. I will probably upgrade to one of those some day.
 
3:22 AM
@DLambert - I asked about that change too. I was a mod on a previous photo stack site and the end date of the message is controllable. That site is still up, I recently set the message, so it would seem that it can be managed to some degree. However, I'm guessing that on the mainstream sites, there has been too many stale messages, hence the change.
@Pearsonartphoto - If you get the Wacom bamboo series, go for the "fun" version. Despite the name, it's the more advanced. However, if you can spare the coin, I can only recommend the Asus EEE Slate. I just got it and, well, it's very nice to have from a photography perspective. Runs Photoshop CS5 quite nice too and it's a tablet PC with a touch sensitive screen that comes with a pressure sensitive Wacom digitizer pen. Very slick for photo editing and tethered shooting in one package.
 
 
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5:40 AM
ugh, mixed tungsten/fluorescent/xenon
 
@EvanKrall yuck
 
most of the time these days, fluorescent doesn't have too much of a green tint
CFLs particularly are reasonably well-matched with tungsten most of the time
 
 
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2:19 PM
@JohnCavan is that a SE1.0 based site?
 
2:43 PM
Anyone looking for questions to answer? This query data.stackexchange.com/photography/s/1217/… shows questions which are getting a lot of hits, but which have no highly-scored answers.
Either the existing answers are underrated, or else they could use some attention.
These questions are probably showing up high in search results, so having great answers to them will be a good way to show off the site and attract new members.
 
3:03 PM
@cabbey - Very likely... It's photographr.info and a few of us were active there before the new SE programs started up.
 
yeah, that looks like SE1.0
@mattdm some of those are unlikely to get an accepted answer because the reality is that the answer isn't what the questioner wants to hear. The LR sync one is a prime example
 
Yeah. I just added the system message to direct people to our current site.
 
@cabbey I'm not even looking at accepted or not, just votes.
Also worth noting that a lot of them are equipment recommendations
or of the form "which of these two should I buy".
And maybe those should be closed as off-topic.
But there they are, bringin' in traffic.
 
yeah, this one is likley bringin traffic because of the 5d3 rumours:
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Q: Should I wait for Canon 5D Mark III to buy 5D Mark II ?

BaoAs rumors predict the launch Canon 5D Mark III in 2011, do you think it is interesting to wait for a few months before buying a new Mark II for its future hypothetical low price ?

I'm tempted to edit it to say "Should I wait for {manufacturer} to release version X before I buy Version X-1?"
just to get it out of the search results for 5dmkiii
 
3:20 PM
@cabbey sounds good to me.
Such things may get a lot of hits but won't be high-quality traffic.
 
exactly
 
 
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4:24 PM
So, yeah, I'm pretty sure our dear friend Handy Andy has returned. This time, as "The Truth Deleted"
 
Different IP
 
same attitude.
 
yeah, same attitude
 
same "compact cameras rule" angle, too.
 
I'll keep an eye on him
yeah, its definitely him
Alrighty then.
Time for another little battle.
 
4:37 PM
Why is it when I search for him under Users I get "No users matched your search?"
Did you can him already?
 
The users page has a broken search.
I used a mod tool to find him.
I have not suspended him yet. I just posted a little note in each of his answers letting him know we know exactly who he is.
The next move is his.
He'll either behave, or he'll flip out again like last time.
 
5:20 PM
Well, I don't know about you guys but I totally intentionally tell people to use DSLR's so that their pictures come out worse - its the real trick to being a good photographer. Use a 9 year old 2 megapixel P&S for myself and convince all those other "people" to use silly stuff like D3X's and 5DII's.
 
@rfusca How clever. That way, the price of P&S cameras keeps falling instead of going sky-high!
 
@mattdm oh ya, its just a shame he caught on to the evil plan. He'll have to be...disposed of.
evil cackle
 
The ironic thing about the "comparison" between the 7D and some P&S cams...
Is that the reviewer was pixel-peeping the 7D on a massive level, but was not pixel peeping the P&S shots.
If the images from both cameras were cropped and scaled identically, the 7D would have won hands down.
The PROBLEM with this guy...is we can't make any sort of comment that brings that simple fact to light...he would snap.
 
lol yup
 
5:45 PM
@jrista at the very least, it's someone else's turn to make the comments. :)
 
@rfusca Everybody knows that sensor performance peaked in 2002 and that a secret cabal of all the major camera manufacturers- an Illuminati, if you will- has been slowly and purposefully decreasing the quality of DSLR sensors since that time in order to bring compact P&S cameras to the fore as the only choice available for taking high-quality digital photographs...
 
@JayLancePhotography we've said to much. The others will know. Hide.
 
Further, if you are unwilling or unable to admit the truth of my above statement, than the only logical conclusion is that you are a member of the conspiracy and cannot be trusted to give good information to other members of photo-SE.
 
You don't even have to address the truth. You just have to ask him to be nice to people.
 
Please be aware that your presence has been noted- as have your names and vital information- and this information has been passed on to the appropriate authorities for further examination.
 
5:51 PM
And then you are a Card-Carrying Member of the Cabal.
 
:-)
I think he undermines some of his potentially valid points with his antagonism... and undermines the rest of them by being blind to anything outside of his own point of view.
 
Hmm i suppose I should go try to find my first digicam from 2000 and dominate with it
 
@JayLancePhotography yeah. that's why I'm so frustrated.
 
@mattdm i've found the whole thing humorous
 
Yeah, I'm not really all that emotionally attached. I just... *sigh*
 
5:56 PM
In the end one can only assume that the attitude comes from a place of selfishness and ego (because he appears completely unwilling to change the behavior), and so we're forced into conflict because the opposing view must be that the good of community is more important than the ego of the individual.
It would be so much easier if he could just be obedient to the "be nice" part of the FAQ. :-)
 
Can we get free cameras?
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Or lenses?
Or flashes?
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Q: Community promotion sponsorship -- new game releases for community members

Jeff AtwoodIt's experiment time! We'd like to try the following -- with help from the moderators and community leaders. When a new "big" game is released, provide (x) copies of it gratis to gaming.se community members in good standing, with (y) rep minimum. The game should be ordered by a community leade...

I'm not picky.
 
Sign me up! I'm not picky either... :-)
 
6:12 PM
@mattdm ?
 
@jrista in meeting. half paying attention. :)
 
6:33 PM
@jrista You've got an email
 
@RowlandShaw ?
 
@jrista From Robert Cartino
 
I have not received it.
 
I'll forward it
 
hmm
what exactly does that mean for Photo.SE?
free gear?
 
6:41 PM
We don't really have big Hot Game Release Events
 
Yeah, but he asked about "adapting" it to our community....
not sure it would work
I was being mostly facetious.
 
I'm being serious, really. :)
The Fujifilm X100 might count.
 
is it cheap enough?
computer games tend to roll in at around $50 a pop or less, and it should be easy for SEN to make a deal to get 'em cheaper.
The X100 looks rather expensive.
 
Not sure new gear has "new gear" type questions
 
Not sure "PhotoSE has 'new gear' type questions"?
Thats probably true, if thats what you were trying to say. ;P
 
6:54 PM
Who knows what I was trying to say :)
 
@jrista well, really, we try to discourage them
 
@mattdm yeah, thats what I was getting at
 
I've nothing against questions once the gear is out; just pre-release speculation
But most new things are designed to be easy to migrate to
The exact opposite of computer game design, where you design each game to have new challenges and approaches to solve
 
8:00 PM
Ok then. Rowland, just so someone else can corroborate...it seems Handy Andy under his new persona "The Truth Deleted" is still absolutely unwilling to cooporate.
 
That seems to be the long and the short of it.
 
what did he do this time? i didn't see anything..terrible
 
Oh, sorry... Reread that question... You weren't asking for that confirmation from the general population. :-)
 
sorry, just from Rowland
I'm not sure you guys can even see that page
He is just an asshole.
Plain and simple.
And I don't want to spend hours of my time day after day on end dealing with the little shit.
Oh, looks like Chills already suspended him.
 
There's not really a 'nuclear option' for stopping abusive users like this guy, is there?
He can just keep popping back up with different accounts, that is...
 
8:05 PM
yeah
pretty much
 
I suspect it's just some kiddie with an ego
 
I asked if there is a username ban or something like that that we could use.
 
it's easy enough to spot though
 
@jrista little point, as they are easy to work around
 
Last time he kept reusing the handle 'Handy Andy' for a good long while before he switched to another username.
 
8:06 PM
and if the comments are flagged we can handle it pretty quick
 
In the end doesn't he have to register with a real live email address?
 
nope, he doesn't use live email addresses
 
Thing is, some of the answers start reasonable; just can't take criticism
 
he's used a variety of interesting fake ones though
'jristasimpending@ending.com' and stuff like that
 
Lol. Douche.
 
8:07 PM
yeah.
 
hahah, at least he's entertaining :)
 
yes, I'll definitely give him a point for that :D
It just gets annoying after you've been at it for hours.
 
true
 
but, sounds like I have some help from you and rowland for now
last time it was in the middle of the night
and i was the only one around
 
do you know if there's any way to see cookie-based accounts?
 
8:10 PM
nope
 
maybe just recent ones?
 
still learning about all our tools
I'm not sure I fully understand what a cookie account is anyway
 
that'd be a great way to watch for stuff like this
 
wow...this guy is really a wacko
"Do you HONESTLY think that IGNORANT fuckheads like YOU deserve MY help?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
basically, instead of a real openid it uses a browser cookie
 
8:11 PM
Where does this guy get off?
 
yeah, i had to laugh at that
useless
 
@chills42 oh...is that the guids that show up on most of his accounts?
 
yeah
anyway, i gotta run... later guys
 
Is there an option you can turn on which essentially doesn't allow the newly registered to do anything until they confirm their email address?
Seems like that would stop things in their tracks...
 
is today opposite day?
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A: Does custom white balance cancel out the pink of skylight filter?

Handy AndyAn interesting way that you can exploit auto white-balance compensating for filter tints is putting some of those old color filters to good use. I have an old filter that is a deep orange-brown color. It was designed long long ago for portrait photography to enhance skin-tones. Today I find that ...

that's an actually handy answer
 
8:18 PM
he's had good info sometimes, there' just the attitude that negates wanting to use it lol
 
I'm almost tempted to give it an upvote, even though it doesn't really have much to do with the question
 
@jrista yep
@JayLancePhotography Joel is anti that-sort-of-thing
After all, it's better to be open and welcoming, and let the community deal with the idiots
 
This guy is definitely a troll though. He WANTS the community to start responding to his jibes.
As such, the community trying to deal with this idiot would probably just make things worse.
 
...which is probably why he picked on you and @mattdm the other day
 
heh, he "thought" he was picking on me
It was fun mushing each one of his pitiful new accounts, I have to say. ;)
what made him go after Jay?
 
8:26 PM
he probably made a point about an answer he'd posted
 
I don't see anything from jay in that particular thread.
 
And what is the infatuation with donkeys ;)
 
must be a troll thing
 
wait... is he going by the name "truth" now?
or some variation thereof?
we had a user on digital grin by that name that fit exactly the same model :(
 
8:32 PM
ya, the Truth Deleted
 
@cabbey He was until the accounts got merged
 
If he is on other sites, we need to know, so we can let the admins know.
 
cuz we keep trying to keep him from letting all the normal users know the truth about cameras
 
I hope it's not the same dude...
well, we finally got rid of him on dgrin a couple years ago
 
I'm cleaning up his comments. If you find any that need to be deleted, link them here.
Well, he's made it clear who he really is.
He certainly holds nothing back, so I don't intend to hold anything back. I intend to be ruthless in shutting him down, and he WILL tire eventually.
 
8:35 PM
@jrista I hope it's easier for you to zap accounts than it is to create one.
Creating an account is by design easy on stackexchange....
 
We do have numbers on our side though
 
@jrista i completely agree,he's had plenty of leeway
 
was just chatting with our dgrin admin, the dude we had as "truth" was named chad something. The trollish patterns were spot on exactly the same though
it's been a coule years, and we've been happy to forget him. :)
 
dgrin?
 
digital grin
a vBulletin based community that SmugMug sponsors
 
8:45 PM
ah
 
@mattdm Its pretty easy...I just merge it with his original account, which, if already suspended, is all I need to do.
I have his original account ID memorized too, so it takes about 5 seconds. ;P
 
haha
you should make a bookmarklet.
 
its brainmarked ;P
 
Awww... I wanted to see the nasty things he wrote about me. :-)
 
Here's our boy trolling on usenet: groups.google.com/groups/…
 
how do you know it's the same person?
 
Goes by "Handy Andy" in some of the posts.
Talks about CHDK.
Has the same attitude problem.
 
haha
 
9:24 PM
Talks about compacts being superior to SLRs.
It could be someone else.
 
nah I didn't see him referring to himself as handy andy
 
heh, its definitely him. Here is one of his names: "Wasting Valuable Time Educating the Morons"
between his nicknames, the constant references to CHDK and compacts, and the attitude...
 
He also has a couple of posts with username handy andy and email "ha@ha.com", but that obvious short name seems to be used for a lot of unrelated dreck so isn't so useful.
@EvanKrall google.com/…
 
well, all I can say is he won't see any mercy here
I fully intend to crush him into oblivion, because I won't have him ruining our community.
 
Given the record there, I don't think the chances of rehabilitation are high.
 
9:42 PM
@jrista "Jrista, what is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
;-)
 
lol
The first two definitely...however, I seriously doubt this enemy has any women. ;)
 
Lol. Probably not. :-)
 
10:02 PM
Went ahead and edited out any remaining snarkiness from all of "Handy Andy's" answers (well, any of the the ones with snark in 'em), as he won't be doing it himself once @jrista's campaign of terror and eradication begins in earnest. ;-) Might as well leave the good info available for others while removing the trollish behavior wherever possible...
 
He's also the guy "Yet Another Nym" trolling here: photokb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/photo-digital/58898/…
"~ caMel ~" is a tell-tale sig.
like graffiti taggers, these guys can't quite stand to be anonymous.
 
@JayLancePhotography Thanks Jay. Was working on that myself, but work takes precedence.
 
So, yeah. Long-term photo-site troll. Not worth trying to talk to.
 
yeah
we had a pretty damn good community until he showed up
 
Hey now, we still do!
 
10:12 PM
everyone who joined so far outside of him has been an excellent addition to the community
@JayLancePhotography We do...but he can definitely ruin what we've build if he isn't kept in proper check.
 
Agreed.
Sure would be nice to have a 4th mod now, I'll bet. </irony>
;-)
 
I think us three can handle it for now.
If more of the same type show up, then yeah, we could use a 4th.
 
photo.stackexchange.com/users/4595/handy-andy says it's a 24 hour suspension....
 
Something tells me that the 24 hour suspension is going to get real permanent in the near future. :-)
 
I'm going to leave my comments below a couple of those; people curious can look at the edit history.
 
10:42 PM
O RLY.
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Q: How do you take great pics of tunnels?

AngelaHow do you take great pics of tunnels?

I wonder if "aaron" and "angela" are coming from the same place.
 
11:00 PM
aw, hell. he's got a new trick.
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Q: spherical Lens for photography

Jenniferwhat is spherical lens on a camera used for what kind of photo

 
Variations on a theme. At least they're not openly insulting to anyone...
Wonder if it'd be more annoying to him if the questions were closed and deleted, or modified to be made into actually decent questions. :-)
 
I guess I'm game for the second option. That'll show how we're not like the typical web forum.
However, I'm kind of dubious about how to do that with these.
Something about spherical vs. aspherical lens elements for the second question.
 
I take pictures in tunnels all the time when I'm light painting...
 
awesome. go for it, then.
The risk, of course, is that reputation accumulated by the sock-puppet accounts can cause damage later. *shrug*
I'll edit the one about spherical if you get the tunnels one. :)
 
Thoughts?
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Q: How can I take great pictures in tunnels?

AngelaTunnels being naturally dark may not be the most intuitive choice for a place to take pictures. But I love the 'painting with light' work that artists such as 'Twin Cities Brightest' are putting out and they're clearly seeking out places like tunnels, caves, garages... Dark places in other words,...

 
11:14 PM
Just to throw this out there. Jenny, Aaron, and Angela could very well be Handy Andy prodding for a rise.
Before we encourage him by improving the questions, lets make sure its not him.
 
That was the question, would it be more annoying to him to close and delete, or to transform the questions into real ones?
 
I can tell you that Aaron and Angela are teh same person.
 
@jrista Oh, no, we totally expect that it is him.
 
He's trolling.
He wants a rise, and he is going to keep screwing with our community so long as we give him one.
 
Definitely close Aaron's answer.
 
11:16 PM
Deleting his stuff means its gone...no one can see it, no one can edit it, no one can comment on it.
 
I am curious about what will happen with Jay's "turn the other cheek" approach.
 
All he can do is keep posting new stuff that will also just get deleted, which won't give him what he's looking for.
@mattdm Fire and brimstone.
 
Neither will good questions which get good replies.
 
Thus guy has been a troll for a long time...I think thats apparent. You mess with fire while your opponent was born a pyro, and your going to get scorched.
 
Eh, wikipedia trolls go away eventually. And this site is designed to be more resiliant
 
11:17 PM
You guys are still goading him.
Rather than just crushing all possibility of continued opposition.
 
It would take a fair amount of reputation to cause damage, so...
 
He can cause plenty of damage with just 1 rep.
 
close his stuff, close the account and provide as little feedback as possible imho
 
Besides, the new questions are interesting and well thought out, so...
 
Ruf has the idea.
We just need to shut him down and eliminate any avenue he dreams up of getting the rise he wants.
@Pearsonartphoto I direct you to the three questions linked above...they are all one-liners
 
11:19 PM
he wants any attention, any comment or whatnot just feeds the next annoyance
 
@rfusca exactly.
playing with him will just make him accelerate and compound the problem, even if its fun
 
@Pearsonartphoto well, they are now. :)
 
so, I guess I'm officially asking that we not improve those questions, so I can roll the accounts into Handy Andy and suspend
it would make it easier on me if you guys would revert your edits
and let us just shut this guy down
 
+1 to that
 
you have to realize, once he gets going, its going to cost us three mods, probably me primarily...a LOT of time
 
11:22 PM
if you like the concept of the tunnel quesiton, close his, wait a bit and reopen a real question ofyour own
 
I don't want to spend time on this guy...he's just a waste of time
yeah, ruffy's got it :)
 
Well, at least nuke Aaron for now...
 
Done, and done. :-)
 
I'm not sure about the jennifer account yet.
The angela/aaron ones were definitely the same IP, and Handy Andy or not, it was a stupid little game whoever was posting htem.
I'll keep an eye on the jennifer account
meh
 
btw, this ROCKS
 
11:25 PM
and now that one has a useful answer
 
Do mods have the ability to reassign the owner of a question?
 
really wide padded straps, thick padding inside, adjustable, lots of pockets, a chest and belt strap for hiking, and its CHEAP
 
@rfusca looks identical to mine on the inside, which is this one:
 
my wife got it for me for my bday
very likely a generic of it
 
11:27 PM
yeah. heh, the canon is pretty "generic" as it is
its relatively cheap
but it gets the job done
 
true
but i'm a nikon guy, i can't bloody well carry around a canon pack ;)
 
hey, lots of nikon guys do
when I was researching cheap camera packs, that one came up on a lot of nikon forums
 
I like messenger bags too much
 
there are a fair amount of user photos on that amazon page showing the pack full of nikon gear :P
 
I might be in for a bag upgrade soon if I keep spending all my extra money on photography gear.
 
11:32 PM
I kind of liked this one:
 
@jrista okay, I can do either way. rolled back.
 
lol
little late now that itai answered
can you roll your rollback back?
otherwise the topic will just be incoherent
 
Okay. :)
 
lol
 
he didn't do a third one, I notice.
 
11:36 PM
I'm not sure jennifer is him
different IP
 
Okay.
 
I really don't care if angela/aaron are or not, they were from the same ip, it was a stupid little thing that needed deletion anyway
 
I'm pretty sure he knows how to appear to come from different IPs. That's easy.
 
So we don't inadvertently offend/scare off a new member who is not a replica of handy andy, we should make sure we know its him before treating a member asking a question like it is him.
@mattdm I'm pretty sure he does too, however we can only assume this Jennifer account is him at the moment, and I don't want to treat an innocent member as a raging dickhead if I can avoid it.
 
@jrista lol fair enough
Really, radically transforming someone's question is kind of shocking to a newbie too.
 

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