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12:11 AM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Okay, I just read what partials are. (Apparently they're alternative sounds played with the same fingering on the holes but with different adjustment of the valves.) Why does that mean you can play trumpet? (I'd think that, if anything, it would mean you can't, since you need a hand to adjust the valves and a hand to handle the holes.)
(Not to mention a third hand for the -- I think it's called -- mute.)
 
12:34 AM
@msh210 So on trumpet (and brass instruments) partials are determined more or less by the pressure of your lips
Partials mean that I can play different notes with a single type of fingering
(Individually. Can't play them all at once, obviously)
Basically, because the sound is produced at the lips, "buzzing" (lip vibrating) at a faster rate means that the frequency coming out of the trumpet results in a higher pitch
The valves are added in to modify and help focus the pitch. But technically valves aren't even necessary on trumpets
Once you start playing really, really high, the partials become close enough that you can adjust them just by slightly modifying the embouchure (fancy word for how we form our lips to create sound)
Pitch is also determined by your tongue position and the rate at which air is being pushed outwards
 
@Sciborg, I edited (well, suggested an edit) out code blocks that were being used for emphasizing quotations on English Language & Usage - COMPLETELY UNECESSARY, SERIOUSLY PEOPLE REALLY? - and I thought of your screen reader.
 
1:03 AM
@bobble That is appreciated :p
 
Holy crap
For a school I'm considering, I need 81 credits to get a Bachelors in Music Composition
Compare that to a Bachelor's of Arts in Philosophy, which is 38 credits
I don't think I could possibly double-major there :(......
Oh wait
Oh, it's because a BM in music means you're exempt from certain courses
Oh, okay so accounting for all the classes, it ends up being about the same
 
Avi
youtube is down D: this means all I can listen to is my abcjs loool
 
... I just tried, and I can access the site?
 
Avi
try playing videos
 
ah
 
Avi
1:15 AM
still trying to find some way to use some anagrams of WHAT CAN UP GIRLS for WALPURGISNACHT, but also &lit, after my failed attempt in the CCCC, but it's not quite working out
shame
anywany, at least puzzling is up
and North might've knocked out that musical connect wall - nice!
 
Avi
oh wait, that's some other person with name starting with "Prince"
 
No that was Deepthinker
 
Deepthinker is not North
 
1:20 AM
Imposter
 
Avi
yup, not north. I think they've got it though
 
Avi
@PrinceNorthLæraðr They vented out of medbay
 
@Avi sus, just stood there during reactor meltdown
 
Avi
Anyways, preparing time - toodles!
 
1:25 AM
@Sciborg speaking of screen reader, have you found any other funny mispronunciations?
 
head-hitting tics grrrr
 
oh no :(
 
Avi
What can mess up girls badly inside?! (14)
WA(LPURGIS*)NACHT*, of course
 
also, i just made a decimal approximator thingy
(it will stop at 5000)
 
1:42 AM
dear goodness my head hurts. Pro tip: slamming you palms into the sides of your head repeatedly is no good.
 
ouch
anyone have a (preferably long) decimal number for me?
 
3.141592653589793238
 
alright, i just have to chop off the 3
slices
 
Also, this financial aid application wants the exact value of my parents' retirement accounts (all of them. added together. they don't actually know this value.)
 
i- what
 
1:49 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
Why is college so expensive :(......
 
my decimal approximator thingy says pi is approximately equal to 3 16/113
that is the farthest it got, even with 5000 iterations
 
2:06 AM
That's very closely related to the fact that 355/113 is a surprisingly good approximation to pi.
 
^
 
There are algorithms that will let you find 'em much faster if you want.
(Much faster: look up "mediant" and consider kinda-sorta binary searches. Much much faster: look up "continued fractions".)
 
The next better approximation after 355/113 is 103993/33102 (source)
 
Okay, I am finished with my D&D session and I'm back, sorry :D
Time to practice North's song
 
a few more words about the algorithms I gestured vaguely at above. Mediants: if a/b,c/d are rational numbers then so is their "mediant" e/f=(a+c)/(b+d)=1. If further ad-bc=1 -- i.e., a/b and c/d are "as close as possible" -- then the same is true for a/b,e/f and e/f,c/d. So, if you have any positive number, bracket it with 0/1 and 1/0, and then repeatedly find the mediant and replace one of the endpoints with it. This gives you an ever-decreasing sequence of intervals containing your number.
Continued fractions: suppose x is a positive number. Then its integer part [x] is an approximation to x, obviously, and then the remainder x-[x] is between 0 and 1. Now replace x with 1/(x-[x]) and repeat the process. If x is rational, it will eventually stop with a remainder of 0; if x is irrational, it will go on for ever. At any point you can stop and just ignore the remainder (pretending it's 0). Why would you bother doing any of this?, you ask. I'm glad you asked.
Suppose you stop at some point. Then you've got a rational approximation to x. I should explain how; the easiest way is with a concrete example. Let's take pi. We have pi = 3 + x1 where 0 <= x1 < 1, and then 1/x1 = 7 + x2 where 0 <= x2 < 1, and then 1/x2 = 15 + x3 where 0 <= x3 < 1. (Those integers 3, 7, 15 are the integer parts above and the x1, x2, x3 are the remainders.) So we have the following approximations:
 
2:20 AM
(@PrinceNorthLæraðr you... you may need to give me an easier song)
 
@Sciborg Ahahaha
Okay
 
pi = 3+x1, so pi ~= 3+0; pi = 3 + 1/(7+x2) so pi ~= 3 + 1/(7+0); pi = 3 + 1/(7 + 1/(15+x3)) so pi ~= 3 + 1/(7 + 1/(15+0)).
 
I'll give you dearly beloved
 
i tried the first page and had to stop because my fingers were having a seizure
 
The right-hand sides of those approximations are rational numbers: 3, 22/7, 333/106.
 
2:21 AM
@Sciborg Lmaooo. Sorry about that
Might be too easy though
 
..."too easy" he says
 
nahh i got this
 
Oooh ooh I got one you should do instead
It's moderately difficult but won't give your hands a seizure
I wish I could learn to play these :(....
 
And each of those (except possibly the first) is the best approximation whose denominator is smaller than the next one's denominator. So, e.g., to do better than 22/7 you need a denominator of at least 106. To do better than 333/106 you need a denominator of at least 113, because the next one is 355/113.
 
2:24 AM
I looooove Fire Emblem Awakening
Such a good game
 
I can give that one a shot
 
And to do better than 355/113 you need a denominator of at least 33102, because the next one is 103993/33102.
These things looking like 3 + 1/(7 + 1/(15 + 1/(1 + 1/(292 + 1/...)))) are called "continued fractions", and there are some nice algorithms to make computing them and using them less painful than the explanation above probably makes it seem.
 
HTM
Only in TSL can there be two simultaneous conversations, one about continued fractions and another about video game sheet music
 
And now I'll shut up about continued fractions, but they are pretty cool and if you're interested in rational approximations you absolutely need to know about them.
 
2:26 AM
Only in TSL (tm)
 
I have no idea whether @merrybot is actually stlil here.
 
Looks like not
 
HTM
OK, so more of a monologue than a conversation, but point still stands :)
 
Ah well. Perhaps someone else might find the above interesting. Or merrybot, should they ever return :-).
 
Is the Id (Purpose) meant to go super fast? I don't know if I can do it full speed :p
 
2:28 AM
ooh, wait, I lied a bit
 
@Sciborg No. It's like 103, so meh speed
 
It isn't quite true that each continued fraction "convergent" is the best approx up to the next one's denominator. They are always the best up to their own and often somewhat further, but not always up to the next one. Sorry about that.
 
I can promise that but slow
 
You can also do "what if I'm not worthy...", which is much, much slower
 
2:30 AM
Anyway, to get to 355/113 you only need to do five steps, and then the next step gives you 103993/33102. And now I really will shut up.
 
HTM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr I have a digital copy on my 3DS, haven't finished it yet but I hear it's pretty fun (and a bit saucy at times lol)
 
Really pretty
@HTM Oh, very "saucy" at times. In Chrom and Robin's friendship level up interactions, Chrom walks in on Robin taking a shower, and Robin accidentally does the same to Chrom
Nothing explicit is shown obviously, but it's SOOOO funny
One of my favorite vg themes of all times, btw is this
 
all of these are hella finger-intensive :P
i really like Id
maybe i can just play you some Zelda if i can't figure these ones out
 
Id (Purpose) plays during the last climatic battle of the video game, and it is literally THE PERFECT theme for it
Ohhhh so good
Zelda is awesome too :P
Hmm I'm not sure what my favorite video game music ever is
I mean amongst the top is "Don't Speaker Her Name", the entirety of the Ori soundtrack, and Passion from Kingdom Hearts
 
2:51 AM
@GarethMcCaughan i am now
 
I really love a lot of video game soundtracks, Hollow Knight and Zelda are probably my two favorites
 
Hollow Knight's music is so beautiful
Ori is great too
 
This by far is one of THE BEST tho
Hollow Knight is amazing
 
I listen to the City of Tears and White Palace all the time just to vibe
 
2:54 AM
I suck at platformers, but I wanna play the game one of these days :P
Ooh, Journey has a really good sountrack too
The video game, not the band :P
 
I've been working to get the true endings (no spoilers), hit 80% completion yesterday
 
Super tough game but so good
I couldn't play fire emblem very well so i'm just gonna play you the one zelda song i'm okay at, I'll try and learn the other songs though :p
 
Okay
Which Zelda song?
 
it seems the continued fraction discussion has ended :(
 
2:55 AM
I'd be down for To Zanarkand, actually
 
I can do Zanarkand too! either one
have the sheet music for that one in my apartment actually
 
Zanarkand! :D
 
let's see if i still remember it
 
Lol, I can play the entire song from memory
I love that piece
*One of the few piano pieces I can play because the left hand part generally requires only one note
 

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