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4:00 PM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr You used one in that sentence, twice.
 
I think he means other people's pronouns
 
(Not that that proves you use them often.)
 
Heh
 
(Yeah, I know; I was kidding.)
 
And hah, look, I used "he" there
 
4:01 PM
ah yes, parts of speech lexical categories
 
did someone literally post a partial answer just listing all the Pokemons? Serious?
 
yeah, can't call 'em parts of speech when you're typing; it'd have to be parts of type
@PrinceNorthLæraðr well that'd be a big help to me, e.g., who doesn't know any of them
(Of course, TinEye could give me the same info.)
 
besides, "parts of speech" isn't the technical term; hence "lexical categories"
 
@msh210 True, but I'd refer them to a meta post which just talked about partial answers
 
4:07 PM
hey avi!
 
aggh, that comment has a typo
 
typos happen sometimes
 
@bobble Of course, I would like to put it in a comment, but how? — WhatsUp 40 secs ago
Um... how do I respond to that?
 
Typo?
@bobble Probably asking about format
 
"has a comment" vs "as a comment"
 
4:09 PM
Oh didn't even notice lol
@PrinceNorthLæraðr From my point of view, this step is simply recognizing the pokemons from the pictures, which is done by googling the pictures. I don't think it has much to do with the puzzle: it's pure labor. — WhatsUp 18 secs ago
well, your point of view is wrong Right, but again, it doesn't facilitate enough as a partial answer, but better serves as a comment
 
> I don't think it has much to do with the puzzle
exactly!
 
It seems they are basically agreeing
Maybe put a comment about the 'how'
(rot 13, pastebin etc)
 
"I have identified all the Pokemon: <insert list of pokemon names>" would be one format that would most definitely fit in the character count of a comment — bobble 1 min ago
 
Should I just list Pokemon names onto my post? Like I literally didn't perceive the Pokemon identification to be that major of a step
It might help ppl that are unable to see the photo as well
 
@bobble Wouldn't that exceed the comment character limit? Especially with the links and all
 
4:13 PM
You don't need to links
 
Pokemon names are Googleable
 
@bobble So you meaning I'm doing wrong by offering more convenient links? Alright, thank you for telling me that I wasted so much time. — WhatsUp 10 secs ago
SERIOUSLY!!!!!!
 
This is turning into a confrontation, that's bad
 
4:14 PM
@bobble agreed
 
I am disengaging.
 
Welp, it just got deleted so
Which means I should be getting my -1 back and make my rep count nice and even again :)
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr I don't see it deleted?
It's just grayed out
 
^^
 
That means it's deleted
 
4:15 PM
No, it means it has a score of -3 or less
 
Oh
Crud
I just flagged that comment as rude
 
Avi
In the worst case you could've just asked me
I know all those pokemon from the pictures alone
 
nerd
 
Avi
They're not particularly rare
 
Maybe just say "Here are some ways to fit long texts in comments [insert pastebin etc.], thanks for understanding"? I'd do it myself but I'm on phone
 
4:17 PM
They weren't meant to be that hard to identify, and identification isn't a key step in the puzzle!
 
@Avi nerds or pokema?
 
I just don't like how this is turning into an argument
 
I could've posted the pokemon names up there instead and the puzzle remains unchanged
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr yes, and it looks like they agree on the second part at least
 
It is no longer an argument involving me, at the very least, since I refuse to talk back any more.
 
Avi
4:18 PM
@matt specifically that set of 16 pokemons
 
@bobble fair enough
 
Avi
9 of them are legendaries and 2+ are pseudolegendaries
hardly unremarkable
 
Look, if I wanted hard pokemons to identify, all I have to scroll through are all those pokemons nobody remembers from gen 4 and gen 5
Like Wormadam
 
Avi
pretty sure some of them have mega evolutions too (e.g., steelix, latios)
@PrinceNorthLæraðr I remember wormadam - all 3 forms, too
 
The answer came up in the LQP queue: I skipped, since I feel I'm not an unbiased observer here.
 
Avi
4:20 PM
the ones I have the hardest time remembering are gen 5-6
 
@Avi I'm not sure there's any Pokemon I can put on that list you couldn't remember right away
Accelgor?
 
Avi
remember it
faced it in battle 2 days ago
 
For what it's worth, I try to sandwich any negative criticism with positive points at the start and the end ("Glad you find this interesting! [This is not an answer, make it a comment], but great work finding all this, I'm sure it will be helpful to solvers!")
3
Helps avoid confrontations
 
@Avi Cubchoo
(breathe North)
 
bless you
 
4:22 PM
who are you blessing?
 
@jafe hehe
 
You're thanking Bobble? (stop it, North, stop it!)
 
> I don't think there is a community guideline that prevents people from posting a comment that is too long as an answer.
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr ?
 
ANother user literally just posted all the Pokemons!
 
4:24 PM
Um, how about the entire SE network's policy that answers should be answers?
 
Getting a single group drastically reduces the possible answers to just a few pokemon, yet I still can't work backwards from it as of now :(
(unless that group is a very strange coincidence)
 
Ugh, I expected more from someone with 3k+ rep
And has been here for a whole year
 
xD My knowledge of Pokemon ends completely after gen 4
 
Right, but you know... Google
 
Oh, really?
 
4:26 PM
I know Pokemon if they showed up in a Ranger game
 
So... exactly 1/2 a pokemon in that list
 
hey mick!
 
hiya mick
 
and voldy!
 
also hi me because i also just joined
 
4:27 PM
There has been DRAMA
 
hi matt
i want to see drama
 
Avi
ya
 
someone upvoted the pokemon answer
 
Avi
cubchoo is nose dripping pokemon
 
How's there an upvote on that answer
 
4:27 PM
@Voldemort'sWrath don't you mean: hiiiiiiiiiiii mmmmaaaatttttttttttttttt?
 
ahh yess
that's what i meant
 
@Avi Furfrou
Because I forgot tat Pokemon's name :P
Should I invite WhatsUp into this chatroom or a different chatroom?
 
different one. do you know how to make answer-specific chatrooms?
 
I forgot
@Deusovi How do you make answer-specific chatrooms?
I guess you just make the room
 
Hey friends :) I am still sorry about the accidental stuff yesterday bobble, hopefully today is treating you well. Glad your puzzle got solved!
 
4:32 PM
'borg hasn't said hi yet :(
there you are!
 
'ello 'borg
 
How's it going?
 
It's really my fault - I'm embarrassed that happened to me
 
Okay, I created the chatroom
 
@Sciborg great
 
4:33 PM
No worries at all, just wanted to make sure you were feeling okay. I hope you are having a great day today :)
 
@Sciborg after all of those "application deadline" emails, I got a bunch today saying they extended the deadline just for me
 
Lol, that sounds about right
 
@bobble - here is another *virtual pat-on-the-back*
 
4:34 PM
Virtual hugs
 
@Sciborg yes
 
aww
 
*virtual hugs as well*
 
How do you invite people into rooms?
 
4:35 PM
link in a comment was what I tried before
 
yep, just link the room in a comment
 
ah hello deus :)
 
I saw the stuff with the Pokemon answer, I agree that could have been a comment - most people who play Pokemon can quickly identify Pokemon and didn't need the links. I feel bad they put the work in but that's just the guidelines.
 
'ello deus
 
And hello, Deus, Lord of Puzzles, Greatest of the Riddle Gods.
 
4:37 PM
Bringer of Doom
 
@bobble - if you ever need more *virtual hugs* just let us know :)
 
Causer of Chaos
Positive vibe transmission incoming...
100% positive vibes sent
 
^
 
Avi
@PrinceNorthLæraðr that thing with absurdly high defenses
phys def in particular
 
4:39 PM
I know nothing about pokemon
 
I've got two of the groups I think, just working on the last two.
 
Avi
anyways
I'm off
toodles
 
bbbbyyyyyeeeeee aaaaaavvvvvviiiiiii
 
Toodles :)
 
Did you like the final categories for my Connect Wall, 'borg?
 
4:40 PM
Yup, now the time-sensitive thing makes sense :D
 
One involved places which included MAN, another involved places led by WOMEN :)
 
Gender was the key all along
 
That puzzle was amazing, bobble
 
Yeah!
 
unfortunately there was no way to work non-binary stuff in
 
4:42 PM
...*mutters* write that down, write that down
 
@Sciborg I see we have another Pokenerd in our hands :P
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr I've played it for years, yes :p I am greatly enjoying your puzzle.
 
pokenerd = pokemon nerd?
 
@Voldemort'sWrath Yup!
 
4:43 PM
@Sciborg What was your first (and favorite) game?
Mine was Gen 4
 
One idea was to try and work in a color of the trans flag, but none of the flags worked of that
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr My first game was White Version 2!
 
Really! Wow
 
ok geek level = 11/10
 
RANGER FOR LIFE
 
4:44 PM
I honestly miss the old battle animations from Black and White
 
Nah, PLATNIUM
 
aight aight 15/10
 
Platnium was the best Pokemon game don't at me
 
*platinum?
 
Platinum is fantastic, I'm not arguing
 
4:45 PM
no one else with love for ranger :(
 
I never played Ranger, but I did play the Mystery Dungeons!
My favorite game is Emerald, but Platinum is a close second
 
bbbbyyyyyyeeeeee eeeevvvvvveeerrrrrryyyyyyoooooonnnnnneeeeeee hhhhaaaapppppyyyyy eeeeaaaarrrllllyyy biiiirrrrttthhhdaaaayyyy, nnoooorrrrtttthhhhh
 
What's your favorite starter?
 
I didn't make the animation, sorry Voldy. Got too busy with an internship application
 
that's okay :)
 
4:48 PM
I hijacked one of the essays to just talk about tutoring for a paragraph. hehe
 
how
 
@Voldemort'sWrath Happy Birthday Voldy
@Sciborg Anyone from Platinum
 
"Describe any technical skills you may have, related to the science and engineering disciplines.". Tutoring = technical skill, right?
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr My favorite Gen 4 starter is Piplup, but my all-time favorite is Treecko :)
 
@bobble nnnnnno
 
4:51 PM
@Sciborg All of them are equally awesome for me, though it's a tie between Infernape or Empoleon- Empoleon definitely looks cooler, but Infernape is a better pokemon
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Important counterpoint: Empoleon is my penguin baby and I love him.
 
@Sciborg Torterra is also soooo cool though
But its typing sucks
 
Torterra is wonderful but the typing is garbage
Water/Steel is fantastic in comparison
 
Grass/ground? 4x weak to ice, 2x weak to fire, 2x weak to flying, etc.
Yeah water/steel is great
 
It's like Charizard - great in the game, absolute trash typing and sucks in competitive
 
4:53 PM
Actually Charizard is making a comeback in VGC in this generation
But VGC is double format
 
Because of the new Sword/Shield item?
The boots?
 
No, I think just because Charizard works well with some of the other pokemons
 
In Ranger, the types matter much less - optimal strategy is almost always to stock up on Pokemon which can recharge your power bar.
 
Or maybe because THEY GOT RID OF THE NATIONAL DEX AND SO MANY POKEMONS ARE MISSING YES I'M PISSED
 
That's fair. I could see Heavy Boots letting Charizard make a comeback though, it used to get wrecked by entry hazards in early VGC.
Preventing Stealth Rocks = Fire/Flying is viable again
 
4:56 PM
@Sciborg Ohh, it's because this VGC, entry hazards aren't great
 
How so?
 
It has a much more aggressive play style
 
Ohh, because of the Gigantamaxing and stuff probably
 
Also, they changed how speed works, so tailwind is broken now
 
Broken in a good way or a bad way?
 
4:57 PM
Good way
 
Nice
Also, Deepthinker apparently gave your Pokemon question a shot
I didn't think the first group (sharing the P-thingy) was what you were going for, but I could be wrong?
 
(poker face)
 
Wait, did they get it right?
 
I'm not saying they're right or wrong.
I'm simply trying not to give anything away
 
I had this whole draft in progress, do you want me to still work on it...? They obviously got there first if they have the answer, so I don't want to get accused of stealing or whatever.
 
5:01 PM
Keep working lol
 
Will do
 
They only got one group correct - keep working on yours!
 
I had a feeling North was going for something more nuanced than just "they share a type" :p
 
@Sciborg
A small hint: It might be useful to have either Serebii or Bulbapedia out, or any Pokemon database site. — Prince North Læraðr 31 secs ago
@Sciborg I'm a Pokemon nerd- will I make it that easy? ;)
 
I've had that in a tab next to me :p
And yeah, I figured it was gonna be tricky!
I have a strong suspicion of the third and fourth groups now, given the conversation we just had...
 
5:08 PM
I will say, you can definitively solve the pokemon with just two groups
As in, it cannot be any other pokemon
 
I think I maybe have it, North... still have to get the last group though so give me a second
I want to ask a clarifying question but I don't know how to phrase it in a non-spoiler way lmao. I think it's fine though
 
onetimesecret?
 
Ooh yeah, I forgot that was a thing. One sec
https://onetimesecret.com/secret/pkasstgigwajpyr8g6nemk4cz9qhv11
Password is "sciborg"
 
no?
 
5:15 PM
Kind of, but not really
 
missed an opportunity there to make it "SHIELDislife"
 
If so I'm completely on the wrong track then, lol
 
Eek, sorry
 
Gahhh
It made so much sense
 
(wearing SHIELD shirt again. I have two)
 
5:16 PM
tosses draft out the window and starts a new one
 
@bobble nice
 
So the thing I sent you is not one of the groupings, to confirm?
 
Not exactly
 
angry pokenerd sounds
 
what sounds are those?
 
5:18 PM
There were exactly four of them that fit that grouping so I was like "AH-HA"
 
It's definitely not different forms
 
argggghhh
 
I used both forms of Aegislash just to avoid confusion, but I think I failed
 
It made perfect sense
 
Can you send what you thought?
I just wanted what you were thinking
 
5:19 PM
insert "to see"?
 
Gonna go sleep now, good night all! (so any confirmation on my Hole in the wall thingy would have to wait)
 
night!
 
Good night Ankoganit, I love your Wall idea :D
 
@Sciborg glad to hear it! :)
 
My school has pushed reopening for regular students back to January, probably February.
 
5:27 PM
speaking of school things, can i rant for a sec?
 
I shall listen
or read, as the case may be
 
heh
spanish teacher chooses "victims" to e.g. translate stuff. he tends to pick randomly. when you are called on, you must unmute your mic and answer the question. if you don't respond within 10 seconds, you are marked absent for the entire day.
like, people need to think, ok?
isn't that just [expletive]?
</rant>
 
as somebody whose thoughts sometimes lag like a Dell laptop from 2004, i feel that hard
 
thanks
 
Hey, Stiv is here! :)
 
5:31 PM
this has happened to me twice as of yet, so my dad has agreed to contact the school
 
ugh that's awful
 
I loved your solve of my FTC puzzle - sorry that the last group was so difficult!
 
@Deusovi thanks for the sympathy
:)
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Ha, the comment on your post is a reference to the fact I beasted a question about Pokémon types the other day. I've never said it's my favourite... (but it is) I was MAJORLY into it right from Red/Blue.
 
5:32 PM
@matt It makes it worse when you have sensory stuff and you sometimes need a little bit to process spoken words... that's just deliberately mean to people like me lol
 
@Sciborg exactly! grrr
 
It most definitely is "just [expletive]"
 
:)
 
I've been AFK the last couple of hours so I'll catch up on today's goings-on later, but it looks like there's been some fun Poké-skirmishes going on in my absence!
 
I am equally enjoying North's Pokemon puzzle, although I got a bit hung up on a group that has turned out to be wrong and am having to rework :p
There were some Poke-skirmishes over a partial answer
 
5:33 PM
@Sciborg ditto
 
I'm glad it happened to you too Deus, that makes me feel validated in my goof
 
@bobble And you're welcome :) That answer came to me as soon as my head hit the pillow last night! I figured I'd leave it 'til morning and let someone else get it in the meantime - I was amazed it was still open when I switched on in the morning! Always love a good flag puzzle, and that was a good flag puzzle :)
(I'll butt out for a bit now but I'll be back later!)
(Carry on!)
 
and yeah it seems completely unfair to people who have physical hearing issues, or sensory processing issues, or people who are just having a bad day and didn't quite catch you
 
You're a treasure Stiv :)
 
(see ya!)
 
5:35 PM
@Deusovi parents and I agree
 
It is very unfair to people with disabilities and/or ASD, yeah.
 
Or people with terrible wifi/computers
 
Also that.
 
(such as me) but dammit i can't translate shit in 10 seconds
 
oh yeah, bad internet connection too!
wow we're discovering so many ways this is a terrible policy
 
5:37 PM
So many ways this sucks
 
the kahoot music does not help anything
 
a true innovator in making high school(?) absolutely miserable
 
(yes, high school)
indeed
 
"Oh, Mick, you pay for apartment WiFi and could only afford the lowest Spectrum package? ABSENT"
 
@Sciborg Aw, thanks!
 
5:40 PM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr It's a great puzzle, please do more Poke-puzzles in future. I'm enjoying the Bulbapedia dive I'm on right now
 
Hehe, I'll think of some more in the future!
Maybe I should figure out how to do a Pokemon conlang- say, that sounds like an idea!
 
honestly, i was tempted to start doing that after playing sword/shield
 
North, I think you just said Matt's magic word :p
 
or more accurately, i tried to decode the language, then was disappointed it was nonsense
 
@Sciborg "oh, matt, you can't conjugate dormir in 15 seconds? ABSENT"
 
5:41 PM
My Japanese teacher was a joke (in a good way for us)... he enjoyed rambling, so we could get him to ramble for long enough that there wouldn't be time for a test. We (students) attempted this for every single test after it became obvious how terrible his time management was.
 
dormir means "to sleep" right?
 
@matt Might I recommend you say "um… thinking…" immediately after the question?
 
@Sciborg In french at least yes
 
@msh210 That would help, but the policy itself is dumb is our point :p
 
@bobble hehe
 
5:43 PM
yeah, seems like a good way to appease the teacher in the interim
 
"pensando, pensando"
 
nice
 
My art song is super dark too- people are gonna think I'm some satanic brood emo kid
 
Oooh, nice
 
5:46 PM
point is: this is just a frickin ridiculous policy
 
agreed
 
That's stupid
 
should i say spanish words as if they were english words in protest? :p
 
Just mix a bunch of Spanish and French together
 
5:49 PM
i cant speak french though
but ok
 
"Un momento, sacre bleu?!"
"Necesito un minuto por arrivederci bonsoir???"
 
will keep in mind
 
LMAOO
@Sciborg Love that one
 
@Sciborg I don't think so. If the teacher is required to take attendance, then he has to have some way of doing so.
 
I mean, yes, it's totally fine to expect students to respond when you call on them, but 10 seconds over a video call is excessive.
 
5:52 PM
right but like as i said, i cant translate shit in 10 seconds
 
My teachers have a lot of different non-timed ways to take attendance - type "here" in chat, fill out a form linked at the start & end of class, answer a question in Google Classroom, etc.
 
@bobble my other teachers do those .. for spanish i have to literally say aquí
and translate things in 10 seconds
should i say something like "(oh by the way, not everyone can translate things in 10 seconds. people need to think, you know)" in my google meet chat right now?
 
You don't want to cause drama in the class or anything, maybe send a polite email after class.
 
needlessly dramatic
 
(no one else is there but ok)
 
5:56 PM
You don't want to get into an argument.
 
ah right
 
Just compose a very nice, professional email and explain that sometimes you need more time to think when called on, but that you are listening and trying your best
 
that i will do
5 seconds later ... ok im literally crying rn
 
virtual hugs!
 
ah thanks
 
5:58 PM
You can get help from the Sphinx's Lair Emotional Support Group
 
I don't like to invoke ADA stuff in situations like this because I don't like stonewalling people with that, but in this case I might say in the email, "due to my [relevant thing here], I sometimes struggle to parse things quickly and it may take me a little extra time to respond when you ask me questions. I am happy to work with you to accomodate this if it becomes an issue."
 
virtual hugs
 

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