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12:00 AM
Once I have time of acceleration change, then I can do v_y = v_0 + a_y * t to find v_y at change-time
which will be v_max
 
Ah. And how do you determine t?
 
time from start of ride to when spring changes length
 
And why do you have a stopwatch?
 
To time said length of time
 
Looks to me like you've got everything you need now.
 
12:02 AM
Thank you!
 
You're welcome!
 
Ok Gareth, are you down for a quick math question? :P
I have the answer already, I'm just trying to figure out why it worked
 
Go on then.
 
If a and b are consecutive odd integers where a<b, then what is the value of
b^2 - a^2 in terms of a? The answer which works is 4a-4
 
oh btw @bobble instead of blathering about the Principle of Equivalence I could just have said: because F=ma there is a net force (in addition to that of gravity) on the mass relative to the spring equal to a/m, etc. That's more elementary but may be confusing because it's not so obvious where that force comes from. (It comes from the fact that your apparatus is attached to the elevator.)
So if a,b are consecutive odd integers, what is the value of b in terms of a?
 
12:08 AM
Uh
+2
or
b-2, or a+2
 
which of those is the value of b?
 
right
OK. So now we can do two things, and either of them will work.
Thing 1: work out b^2 in terms of a using that, and subtract a^2, and see what you get.
 
Thing 2: rewrite b^2-a^2 in a different form (you should know a standard way to do this) and then simplify that using what you know about a and b.
 
12:10 AM
oh
so b^2=(a+2)^2-a^2
 
let me figure out the first way first
why would you subtract the a^2?
 
Avi
Chat Mega Challenge: Write a Cryptic Crossword using a lot of Pickles
:O
 
Great, now I have an idea for a variety cryptic centered around pickles
 
you would subtract the a^2 because they asked you about b^2-a^2 not just b^2
 
12:13 AM
@Avi I'm working on a full blown puzzle. Stay tuned.
 
Avi
thanks :D
 
(not cryptics, but a puzzle)
(I don't do cryptics)
 
Avi
D:
Half pickled mithical mixed up in angry pickled stew...
 
@GarethMcCaughan Oh, I see what you're doing. You're subtracting a^2 by both sides. I got b^2-a^2=a^2+4a+4?
 
Looks like you forgot to subtract a^2 on the right-hand side of that.
 
12:14 AM
huh
Ohh
I put it as 2a^2 bc I added them. Rookie mistake
It ends up as 4a+4
so simplifying b^2-a^2=(b-a)(b+a)
 
OK. Now, you said earlier that you had 4a-4 not 4a+4...
ah, and now you're doing Thing 2 which also works.
Since b = a+2 you should have no trouble simplifying both b-a and b+a.
 
@GarethMcCaughan I did? Oh whoops I meant 4a+4. Typo
 
so (a+2-a)(a+2+a)?
4a+4
 
12:17 AM
ahhh, that makes a lot of sense
 
Up to you which one you find easier.
 
I thought there was a fancy mathematical proof
 
I'm sure I can make you a fancier one if you want one.
But why would you?
 
Please don't, not today :P
 
depending on your definitions of "fancy" and "mathematical", it could be
 
12:19 AM
The second one is definitely more intuitive, but I'm not sure I would've realized to substitute B for b=a+2
 
I dunno, do you prefer this? Imagine a square of size b^2 with a square of size a^2 inside it. Let's say they have the same southwest corner. Then b^2-a^2 is the bit that's in the big square but not the little square. That's 4 in the northeast corner, and two lots of 2a along the north and east sides.
 
I lost you after square of b^2
 
Or put the smaller square in the middle instead. Now you have four edges of length a, and four corners of size 1.
 
Geez, that geometry PhD really coming in handy, huh?
 
Avi
Fish about in pickle stew? (8)
 
12:24 AM
(huh, something monochromatized it. Never mind.)
(the picture I originally drew was more colourful)
anyway, the top left region is of size a by 2, the bottom right region is of size 2 by a, and the top right region is of size 2 by 2.
 
Oh my
 
yay, not monochromatized
 
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Q: Is there any logic to this puzzle in the game Songs of Skydale?

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@GarethMcCaughan huh. that makes sense
In a stupid way
Very counter-intuitive
Or not counter-intuitive
Just
Why would someone solve it like that
 
Well, you wanted something fancier and mathematicaller, and maybe turning it into geometry counts.
Otherwise, I think anything else is just going to be an obfuscated version of the algebraic manipulations we did before.
 
12:38 AM
Please don't
 
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Avi
2:42 AM
Cook pickles to save up (9) Fish about in pickle stew? (8) pending
 
 
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Avi
3:56 AM
Pickle in final jug is unbreakable (7) Cook pickles to save up (9) Fish about in pickle stew? (8) pending
BIND + IN + _G, (PICKLES TO)*=STOCKPILE, PICKE(RE)L*
 
Chat Mega Challenge: make a full-sized cryptic (not necessarily variety) where every clue has the word "pickle" in it
 
Avi
that's a tall order
good luck :O
 
4:17 AM
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(also, some new user gave an answer already, apparently found using code. Their code is terribly formatted and also terribly written)
 
4:52 AM
My "Making Of" is very very long. Hopefully y'all like it when I finish.
 
if it's extremely long you get to post a making of the making of
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Does "The making of the making of" get posted to Meta?
 
 
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2:48 PM
@jafe maybe
 
3:48 PM
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@JeremyDover I don't think so. It would still be related to puzzling(?) but meta deals with the site itself
 
A "what should go in a making of?" can totally go on Meta.
 
4:12 PM
Ok, so I'm pretty sure the C4 is a quadruple def
 
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QUAINT, RUBBISH, TAIL-END, and SOMEONE'S STUFF FROM LONG AGO
I thought it was REMNANT, but that's 7 letters
ARTIFACT isn't exactly rubbish
 
LEFTOVER
 
Maybe LEFTOVER
damn it
 
@GarethMcCaughan, based on North's quad-def idea I claim LEFTOVER
 
4:14 PM
Hey!
I technically got it
Though I don't know if quaint could work as LEFTOVER
@bobble If it's correct, you owe me, since I gave you the C4 last time :P
 
I do.
 
Maybe it's triple def
@GarethMcCaughan Actually it's a triple def of LEFTOVER(?): QUAINT RUBBISH, TAIL-END, SOMEONE'S STUFF FROM LONG AGO
Idk
@bobble Thief
 
4:34 PM
The intended solution is not in fact LEFTOVER, nor is this a triple-def or quadruple-def, though it does seem I made such a coherent surface that it can kinda be read that way :-).
Sorry!
 
5:25 PM
@GarethMcCaughan ANTIQU*+_E+'S
 
@jafe Explain?
 
anagram QUAINT, thE tail, end of someone'S, def "stuff from long ago"
 
5:52 PM
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i think it's actually the tail end of someonE, but same result
 
6:22 PM
@jafe Right! (I actually intended the tail end of SOMEONE'S, which I think is what you meant.)
 
Aww, I thought it was really cool that both words in "tail end" were acting on different targets
 
6:41 PM
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@bobble Yeah
I don't think that's legal though
@GarethMcCaughan That was a really good surface, all things considered
 
Avi
@NorthLæraðr it's legal
 
Avi
both possibilities create the same outcome though
 
7:06 PM
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8:06 PM
@jafe I believe it's your C4 turn. Nice clue, @GarethMcCaughan!
 
8:22 PM
Oh no, you finally found a time to post when I couldn't snipe the answer! (I saw this late last night but had to go to bed.) Looking forward to giving this one a shot casually - looks good! — Deusovi ♦ 5 hours ago
^^^ Deus got sniped!
 
8:40 PM
wouldn't say I got sniped exactly - I wasn't actually working on an answer when the answer was posted. (not that that hasn't happened to me before! Gareth's beaten me to the punch a number of times, and so have several other people.)
 
9:05 PM
CCCC: Almost naked retired captain describing port in France (7)
 
@jafe NUD(-e)< + KIRK
= DUNKIRK
 
how....
so fast
 
ah crap, now I have to make another one
3
 
@GarethMcCaughan that's right :)
 
You can give it to someone else
 
Avi
9:10 PM
Pickles pls
 
CCCC: Retired captain a good man, one of exemplary righteousness (7)
2
(I'm not always slow)
 
think i'd rather meet this captain than the one from my clue
 
Oh, I don't know. Men of exemplary righteousness might be boring or priggish, and I imagine James T Kirk would be quite fun to be with.
@bobble As to how "so fast", the thought process went like this: "almost" probably means lose the last letter, "naked" could be NUDE which is a nice short word made of common letters, so that gives us NUD; "retired" would mean backwards giving us DUN. Hmm, DUN + captain = French port, pretty easy to finish it off.
I was lucky that the "greedy algorithm" of trying the most obvious thing at each step while reading through the clue happened to give the right parsing.
If instead we'd been (say) removing the first and last letters of something meaning "almost" then I'd have taken longer.
(For the avoidance of doubt, that doesn't mean it was a bad clue. A clue that's formally well constructed and that has a good surface -- which that one is and does -- is a good clue. Unless e.g. you're specifically aiming to make an easy or a difficult crossword, in which case you'll care how hard the clues are too.)
 
here i thought you had figured out my hidden theme
(tenet, interstellar and dunkirk are all recent films by the same director)
 
I hadn't noticed that, and couldn't have because I couldn't tell you the director of any of them.
 
9:23 PM
yeah i suppose there are very few directors who people can readily associate with their films
a hitchcock theme would probably be spotted after a while, for example
 
In fairness, I am unusually ignorant of movies.
 
I don't know much about actors or movies unless the movies in question are Harry Potter or MCU ones
 
@GarethMcCaughan … especially when almost naked.
 
@msh210 Heh. Not particularly my thing, but I take your point.
 
How naked is "almost naked"? We talking PG, PG-13, or R?
 
9:30 PM
I'm a doctor, @bobble, not a content rater.
 
You're not not a content rater
 
Avi
9:41 PM
It's times like these when I question bobble
 
what is there to question? I am perfectly sane, thank you very much.
 
Avi
Someone with a tendency to lose picked up $4.50?? (8)
there's the question
 
Sane people don't usually insist they're sane unasked.
(Nor do insane people. :-) )
 
I mean, how would you define "insanity"?
 
Avi
Demonstrating a lack of sanity
I would define sanity as demonstrating a lack of insanity...
 
9:47 PM
@GarethMcCaughan bahA< i St.
= one of exemplary righteousness
 
Er, no.
 
Drat. The wordplay half was perfect, though the definition was a bit weak.
 
Newt's mate returned filling; an empty agreement to the contrary for bobble's true condition (6)
 
Nothing against the Baha'i, but they're no more exceptionally-righteous-by-definition than the followers of any other religion.
 
(I should really stop wasting time making random CCs for chat)
 
Avi
9:55 PM
Newt's mate lol
hmmmm was gonna use that as Isaac Newton's wife in a ?? clue
but apparently he died a virgin
 
Are you having trouble figuring out the clue? I could just tell you.
 
Avi
yes
in return, I'll reveal my CC :O
 
Newt's mate = TINA (from Fantastic Beasts, although I just know that they married - not sure about kids). returned = reversal, so ANIT. filling = insertion indicator. an empty agreement = Y(-e)S. to the contrary = reversal, so SY. With the insertion, S(ANIT)Y. for = connector. bobble's true condition = SANITY
 
Avi
hmmm but didn't we agree that bobble's condition was neither sanity nor insanity
 
The Newt's mate thing I don't think would be legal in a regular cryptic, but this is chat and I also thought that the answer & the SY would be obvious
 
Avi
10:01 PM
def seems a bit suspicious
 
the def is perfectly on point
 
Avi
Someone with a tendency to lose picked up $4.50?? (8) was the CC
 
@bobble I was trying to think of people eddie redmayne new of :P
 
Avi
4 dollars and fifty cents can also be pronounced ("picked up" to indicate homophone-ish-ness) as four-fiddy
and someone with a tendency to lose
would be FORFEIT-Y
definition suspicious, hence ??
 
yeah, that's an accent I'm not familiar with
 
Avi
10:03 PM
fair, I wasn't expecting it to be gotten
unlike the pickle ones -- those were perfectly concocted
 
Oh, is it Piet i St., with Piet = retired captain from 1 or perhaps 2??
^ @GarethMcCaughan
@Avi Pickles are perfectly concocted.
 
DON'T WAKE THE PICKLE MONSTER
 
Select the French delicacy? (6)
 
PICK + LE
 
10:08 PM
and your def is completely wrong
 
hehehe
 
Avi
ok so here's an actual puzzle idea
full cryptic crossword
in which pickle appears in every clue
BUT 1/2 of them the word pickle needs to be removed
to yield a valid clue
 
So half of this
18 hours ago, by bobble
Chat Mega Challenge: make a full-sized cryptic (not necessarily variety) where every clue has the word "pickle" in it
 
Avi
yeah because that's too hard :P
but now, when you post, it's unclear whether it'll be my version or bobble's version
 
I'm curious: do any of you know people in real life that like cryptics?
 
Avi
10:10 PM
so for me
the dealbreaker in that question is the part where you ask if I know people in real life
 
Well, I have IRL friends that I don't get to see right now 'cause COVID, but I'm counting them.
(they're the theatre kid D&D nerds)
 
Avi
o, then no
 
my mum does cryptics whenever she can, but they're super rare here
meanwhile every supermarket's puzzle section has like 10 different word-search magazines
 
You found any Finnish cryptics yet?
 
Jun 30 at 10:09, by jafe
spotted a finnish-language cryptic crossword in the paper! they exist!
the rules are... different
 
10:15 PM
hmm, I was around then. must have forgot.
 
for example, we have zero homophone clues (10 points for figuring out why)
 
Inconsistent pronunciations?
 
nope, the opposite... we write like it's pronounced, so there aren't really pairs of homophones that are spelt differently
 
So it would be too obvious?
 
as in, you wouldn't use two senses of the word "cash" for a homophone clue... you'd use a double def instead
you might use "cash" and "cache"... but if all those pairs are spelt the same it doesn't make any sense
 
10:19 PM
any other types that they changed? Reversals, insertions, deletions, anagrams, charades, etc.?
 
i've only done like 5 of them but i they seem to use only one type of wordplay per clue... so if it's an anagram clue the whole thing is an anagram of one word in the clue
and often the type of wordplay is not indicated even though in an english cryptic you'd absolutely expect an indicator
 
All from the same person/outlet?
 
@msh210 Nope, though the def fits much better that way. I'm not terribly convinced by "retired" in your case 2, and haven't followed the youtube link to find out what your case 1 is.
 
one publication, multiple setters... other papers could have other rules, of course
long story short i have no interest in trying to write a finnish cryptic :P
 
Were you one of the people who solved that foreign-language cryptic here from a while ago?
 
10:24 PM
nope i didn't try it
gareth destroyed it in like a day if i remember correctly
 
You were the more sane one in that situation :)
 
ah, the chat room is still available... looks like north was there as well
 
Looks like North did translations and Gareth did parsing
 
10:43 PM
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Q: Fortune tellers have dinner

HTMI've seen these before somewhere (maybe here?), but they're all mixed up! Who/what is being described by the clues below? Consequence of a disastrous harvest What a mathematician might do to clarify their work Result from removing belly hairs Criminal who upgrades photography equipment...

posted a 500 bounty on this one, let's see if anyone can figure out the final step...
 
 
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11:45 PM
@bobble I did quite a bit of translation too...
Though honestly Google Translate did most of the translation.
 
I'm still shocked that you did it at all
 
And, for that matter, North did some of the solving.
 
yes, but I posted a message after only reading the first couple messages
 

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