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12:13 AM
Yeah, that is not a good post for this site.
More evidence that people don't understand Puzzling, I guess. :/
 
12:27 AM
An insta-self-answered riddle? Someone doesn't quite get how this site works ...
 
 
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1:36 AM
@EngineerToast Congrats on 10k rep!
 
 
9 hours later…
10:23 AM
@Randal'Thor, your are desperate for more people to get 10k aren't you :P
 
10:34 AM
Woo earnt the badge
 
 
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11:39 AM
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Q: Ricky McCormick's Notes

Beastly GerbilOn June 30 1999, Ricky McCormick was found dead in an isolated area, 15 miles away from his home. He didn't own a car, and the area was not subjected to public transport so it is a mystery how he got there. The case has been identified as a murder, not a suicide. Found in his pockets where two n...

 
@Randal'Thor @BeastlyGerbil I'm sure there must be an elegant solution to the cubes puzzle. Something parity-ish. E.g., #adjacencies = 3/2 #cubes, so it's enough if #adjacencies is even; perhaps more strongly the number of "x-adjacencies" has to be even and ditto for y and z.
 
@Randal'Thor Give me the link and we'll see if I can add 11k to that :P
 
I'm inclined to think it is possible too, it's just every way I've tried so far has resulted in failure
@Mithrandir, you're back!
 
I kinda want to colour the cubes two colours (say black and white) by parity and label each adjacency with the direction it heads out of the adjacent white cube in, and then ... well, unfortunately it isn't the case that you have to have the same number of these in all directions (I have counterexamples), but maybe +x and -x have to have the same parity or something.
 
@BeastlyGerbil Yup :D
 
11:45 AM
Does that mean a puzzle is coming out soon?
 
Eh. Sci is still avoiding helping.
So possibly.
:P
 
Well then maybe you can help with Alconja's puzzle
 
I'm not a great solver...
 
It's tricky, but I got the first bit :P
And I'm an awful solver
 
...Ikea inspired.
 
11:46 AM
:P
 
You can't even click on the images.
 
You can hold right on them and click open in new tab, but then they are really small
 
I know. I'm looking at the source :P
Sep 20 at 13:38, by Arka Karmakar
@Mithrandir @Randal'Thor I have found answer to a question (What does Mithrandir want to tell us ? :- ) before it's asked. The answer is, from quipquip, congratulations you have found my info good for Vou but there's nothing of interest here . :-P
...What? A 'v'? How is that possible?
And why did he ping @Randal'Thor in that? o_o
 
12:04 PM
English people needed : can I use the adjective eponymous for a place? Like, a restaurant?
 
@IAmInPLS, I don't even know what that means, hang on...
Yes you can
It can be of a thing or of a place
 
I tried making a 6 by 6 crossword and failed. Multiple times. Grandiosely.
 
@MariaDeleva, don't give up :P
 
@BeastlyGerbil Not particularly; there are already enough active 10k-ers to delete questions that need deleting. I'd really like more people to get 20k though, so that not every deleted answer has to be mod-deleted.
 
Well I'll get 10k soon...
 
12:15 PM
@GarethMcCaughan I was thinking along exactly those lines, but haven't yet been able to prove that the number of face intersections must be even.
@Mithrandir Hey, welcome back! Link to Literature :-)
 
@BeastlyGerbil thanks. I am wondering if it would be easier to write a code to brute force this for me... :)
 
@Mithrandir Because I wrote the "What does leoll2 want to tell us?" and "What does Lukas Rotter want to tell us?" puzzles and the one about you?
 
Generally I use online tools to help me when making crosswords or sudoku @MariaDeleva
 
I chose 'Professional of Expert' :P
Because I count myself as an expert, and and I'm 'working' on becoming a professional.... Sort of....
 
Woo, 70 committers!
 
12:24 PM
@Randal'Thor Ah, yes.
 
Now see if you can refer Sci ;-)
 
:P
Wouldn't you want to add ~50k to your count on there? :P
 
Well, really I'd like to add 88k.
 
200k?
 
51,000 is part of 88,000.
 
12:26 PM
Do you mean Sci has 51k? :-o
 
Anyway, sure, I'd like more referrals, but "it's share and share alike aboard my vessel, sonny boy!" I don't want to grab them all :-)
 
I'm still wondering if this was the first proposal closed at 100% commitment...
 
Sid
Is it allowed to have multiple accounts on Stack Exchange?? Specifically here??
 
Yeah, basically. Just don't vote for yourself.
Or accept your own answer, or other stuff like that.
 
12:30 PM
85
A: How should sockpuppets be handled on Stack Exchange?

Shog9How can I be sure I'm looking at a sockpuppet? You can't ever be 100% sure. What you think is a sockpuppet could in fact be my good friend Nog Shine, who loves everything I write, copies my writing style, and uses my computer to vote and post stuff when I step away for coffee. But in practice, ...

 
Wow I'm the 7477792nd user on stackexchange!
 
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Q: Unintentional misuse of a sock puppet account

Wad CheberStorytime: I joined your wonderful community, and immediately posted a riddle about The Beatles. Then I posted another one about The Beatles, and then one about David Bowie. The Bowie riddle was answered by someone who had seen the two Beatles riddles. He told me that when he saw my name on ...

@BeastlyGerbil Is that number significant? (Also, is that really your age?!)
 
Yes thats my age, and no its just a big number of users on stack exchange!
 
@BeastlyGerbil I occasionally visit Stack Overflow just to gawp at the big numbers there.
 
12:35 PM
Also, you might like this: stackexchange.com/questions?tab=realtime
 
I sometimes gawk at that...
 
I am so, so close to a breakthrough on Alconja's puzzle... but it's just out of reach
 
Wow, @BeastlyGerbil is younger than me! :P
 
@Mithrandir, younger minds think clearer :P
 
(666*2+(8^2)/2)/2+16=a
^Annoying.
<Annoying.
 
12:43 PM
You want to find a?
 
Nope.
I made a.
:P
 
:P
It's 698 (I think)
Is that relevant?
 
Not now.
#Cryptic
Your 3D cube is making me dizzy. Probably because I'm rotating it very quickly.
 
:P
I'm stuck on the last face
 
@Mithrandir You should check out the cube here, if you haven't already.
 
12:47 PM
@Randal'Thor I did.
I was #4 to upvote, BTW. :P
Of course, it's at 72 now...
 
How do you remember you were 4th? :P
 
I'm a freak.
 
Photographic memory :P
 
I also reviewed some first post that got +100 upvotes...
 
@Mithrandir Moozaroot?
פריק
 
12:51 PM
@Randal'Thor Huh?
 
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A: The many usernames of SFF:SE

MoozYou might want to take a cup of coffee and sit down for this. Well, it all started in 2007. The world was a much more innocent place, or was I younger and more innocent? Who's to tell? Anyways, being on volunteer work in Haifa Israel, a bunch of my friends and I started calling each other "Frea...

 
@Randal'Thor ?יפ. סו וואת
 
translate: ?יפ. סו וואת
(from Hebrew) -Jeep. Sue and and
Great, thanks Bing.
 
>.< It's transliterated.
It says. 'Yup. So what?'
 
1:24 PM
@Randal'Thor I think you owe GentlePurpleRain a checkmark for the Tight Words (tm).
 
@GarethMcCaughan I owe four checkmarks here now, and I normally award them in batches of five.
 
ah, fair enough
 
@Randal'Thor Wait, really? Why hold off until you have five to give away?
 
@randal'thor very true - it looks like the OP edited the question as I was writing my answer haha. Should I leave it here, or just delete it? Not sure what the standard approach would be :) — Joe 13 mins ago
Any thoughts on this?
(i.e. should answers that have been invalidated by good edits to the question be left or deleted?)
@Deusovi To keep my rep on a multiple of 5 (yes, I'm weird). I accept answers either to balance out downvotes or, if I repcap or don't get downvoted, in batches of five.
 
I don't tend to delete my answers unless in hindsight they're indefensible (e.g., an answer to a mathematical question that's founded on a flatly incorrect bit of reasoning). If I thought an answer was a perfectly good one to the question as originally asked and it was then invalidated by a change to the question, I'd edit in a remark explaining what happened.
If it wasn't very convincing to begin with and the edit(s) to the question just clarified that, I would probably leave it there for downvoting :-).
 
1:32 PM
Another factor (especially for riddles) is that the existence of many different answers is often used as an argument for VTCing as too broad.
But I supposing editing in a remark would help to deal with that.
 
@Randal'Thor This seems a little weird to me, because it seems like a majority of riddles get several answers that ignore at least a line or two
 
@Sconibulus Agreed. Personally, when deciding whether or not to VTC as too broad, I always check how many completely valid answers it's got (i.e. check every answer posted to see how well it fits) rather than just counting the number of answers.
 
@Randal'Thor Yeah, same here. A lot of the time, riddles attract bad answers from well-intentioned new users.
 
Many people post answers which only sort of fit, or fit most of the riddle but not one or two lines. (I probably used to do so myself, but I try to be more careful these days and only post answers which I think have a very good chance of being right.)
 
1:52 PM
@Randal'Thor @Deusovi The problem is, the "correct" answer to some of these riddles—like this or this or this—only sort of fits the clues.
 
Oh, @Randal'Thor I didn't get an answer, do you mind if I use your Modular Riddle pattern (Reassemble the Riddles) for a riddle of my own?
@DanRussell I think that makes it a bad riddle, not a closable riddle
 
@DanRussell Well, if the correct answer doesn't fit properly, then we're into "plastic bag" territory and the riddle is worth closing or at least downvoting.
@Sconibulus Sure, that's fine.
(I assume you mean using the idea of riddle reassembling and not the lines themselves?)
 
yeah, just the idea
 
Wow 3 people give the same answer, and I give a different one. But wrong one, of course
 
@Randal'Thor Yeah, of course. (I have downvoted all three of those.) I'm just musing on why people might, in good faith, post answers that don't quite seem to fit: Because they're used to seeing fairly crappy riddles with fairly crappily fitting answers.
 
2:03 PM
@DanRussell Or perhaps a better reason: because it does fit most of the lines and they think it might fit the one or two remaining lines in a way they haven't yet worked out.
 
@Randal'Thor Yep.
 
I've often posted answers with one or two "Not sure about this line"s which the OP or someone else then helps me to work out (and they do fit the riddle well - I just hadn't realised how).
 
That's why I think if there are 6-7 answers that fit >50% of a riddle's lines, it deserves a skeptical look for VingTC.
And since # of answers is a key component of what makes it to the HNQs, we end up with our broad riddles on that list all the time.
 
I doubt there's a single site on SE which is really happy with their representation on HNQ. Every site gets some of its bad questions showcased there - it's not a Puzzling-specific problem.
 
Also, for the record, I have no idea what this accepted answer has to do with that riddle. Even looking at the explanation of each line makes no sense. Almost suspicious, as I find it hard to believe that was deduced from the clues.
 
2:08 PM
There have probably been plenty of calls on main meta to change the HNQ algorithm or abolish it altogether, but to no avail.
 
"Light's away and the crowd will sway" = "Without light you can't measure time"?
"Comfort and joy you get from me, Always taking what I have." = "You can measure the correct length of time using a sand clock."?
 
maybe it works way better in another language, which they happen to share?
 
</needless complaining>
 
What I think is that the answer was correct and the OP didn' t really pay attention to the "reasoning".
 
2:33 PM
@MariaDeleva Yeah, but does the reasoning even make sense with the clues?
 
@DanRussell it doesn't. It feels like a completely different reasoning, not entirely related to the clues. As if the answerer just twisted the clues to fit into their way of thinking. But that doesn' t make the answer incorrect. You can get the right answer with wrong reasoning.
 
@MariaDeleva Agreed. In this case, however, even knowing the answer it's hard for me to see what the "right" reasoning could've been.
 
2:59 PM
Light's away and the crowd will sway - that could refer to the fact that even if the light is off, the sand (its particles, i.e. crowd) will continue to go back and forth - when you rotate the hourglass.
Comfort and joy you get from me - it can be comforting watching as the sand falls - like watching a waterfall or something.
Always taking what I have. - the hourglass has sand. It always takes it. i.e. it goes from one triangle to the other and vice versa. It is never lost. In a way, the lower part, "takes it", but the hourglass already has it.
@DanRussell there is your reasoning that could be the intended one.
 
@Gareth @Beastly Oh wow. It seems the cubes thing was doable after all!
 
@Randal'Thor All the while I was trying to prove it's impossible...:(
 
Me too!
 
3:20 PM
@Randal'Thor Neat. Two components :( but this shows that it's possible with 34 cubes, thus banishing any parity-based notions such as that n had to be a multiple of 4.
 
Nice!
(and surprising)
 
3:38 PM
@DanRussell That's really weird. Especially in the light of this: meta.puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/5391/…
 
3:56 PM
is there a consensus on when to tell people they're going down the wrong path? my latest puzzle appears to have tricked people, but I don't want to detract from the puzzling experience :P (kind of like giving hints too early)
 
@whrrgarbl Well, you've done it now. :P
I don't think there is a consensus. You can let people stew for weeks if you like. Or you can keep nudging them along.
 
@GentlePurpleRain I made sure they weren't in this room first :P
hmm, ok. I'm curious to see how far they get actually, so I guess I'll wait a bit and see
 
they might visit later and see this discussion
 
true. I'll probably post a comment later tonight anyways, I was more concerned about butting into a collaborative session prematurely
 
4:24 PM
@GentlePurpleRain This question has got a lot of upvotes now. Fancy a quick tag merge? :-)
 
I don't know if I'd categorize 7 as a lot
 
@Randal'Thor Have the questions with the tag been re-tagged?
It sounds like they shouldn't have the tag, so if I merge now, we'll have a bunch of questions with that shouldn't have it.
 
@GentlePurpleRain No retagging is necessary. You can just merge into and all will be well.
Since none of them are really about anyway.
 
Ah. I thought you wanted to merge it into .
 
@Sconibulus For a question about meta tags on a small site? Few people care about tags, and even fewer care about meta tags. I'm surprised it got as many as 7.
 
4:27 PM
@Randal'Thor Done.
 
@Randal'Thor /shrugs I'm just mindful about what happened with the Sandbox, I think it started at something like 16/0
 
@GentlePurpleRain Great, thanks! ?
 
Was just adding it.
 
@Sconibulus Yeah, but that was a massive decision with a big impact on the way the site is run. Getting rid of one small tag on meta isn't something people are going to be up in arms about.
 
@Sconibulus This is a lot less significant than the sandbox.
No one is going to show up later and say, "I didn't get a chance to weigh in on whether we should burninate !"
 
Sid
4:30 PM
Is that tag ever used in puzzling??
Except maybe the one question for which it was created??
 
@Sid It's a tag on Puzzling Meta.
 
Sid
Ohh, Sorry... I rarely visit meta... Hence, I was not aware of it
 
@Sid It was used on 11 questions until just now, but none of them really warranted it. See this post.
 
what's burninate lol
 
To burninate a tag is to eliminate it completely.
is pending burnination atm, but there's some questions we need to sort out and edit first.
 
4:39 PM
1
Q: Gotta Tag 'em All

David StarkeyWhilst perusing through the tags, I noticed there is one for pokemon. Do we really need one specific to this or can these be removed or changed to video-games?

-1
Q: Do we need [liars]?

AvigrailThere's a tag called liars which, in my opinion, doesn't make any sense since the description says it's made of liars, truth tellers, and jokers. In other words the tag name doesn't provide all the information necessary to understand the meaning. In fact it only names 1 out of 3. Despite t...

 
oh
 
5:09 PM
In a room where I frequently chat, I asked about ciphers for a challenge, and someone directed me here. Is this a good place to ask about that sort of thing?
 
@duzzy Sure! We have a tag here and a lot of cipher challenge puzzles. I'm not sure exactly what you've got in mind, but you might like to check out Code Puzzles: What (Not) To Do? before posting.
 
Well, I was mostly wondering if you knew of ciphers that would result in some strange punctuation.
For instance... "Urp jdann.bi. #5v1w frg jab yat. yd. urnnr,cbi y.qy abe o.. ,day frg jab er yr e.jre. cyv"
(I don't want someone to solve it for me. I just can't find any ciphers that do that).
 
Hmm. You could use an ASCII-based enciphering method, but that might result in all sorts of weird symbols and not just punctuation.
There are also ciphers which have, say, full stops and hyphens inserted in weird places which, when you extract them, give a message in Morse code.
 
Hm... that's an interesting idea.
 
5:18 PM
could be an 'every nth character' type cipher too, with a plaintext containing '...'
 
Or this one for a more complicated example.
 
Wow, I think I can see myself spending a lot of time on this SE site.
8
 
Yup, it's fun
 
We reeled in another user :P
 
@duzzy Yay! We've dragged another poor soul into the pit of despair neverending fun :-D
4
 
5:24 PM
I started out on Mathematics and ended up here, I now have more rep here than anywhere else
 
Once you join this site, you can never leave.
 
And I'm likely to fail several classes because I spend all my time here
 
@Saiid lol that thought did cross my mind as I was looking at some of these puzzles.
 
@duzzy lel
 
Fortunately I'm nearly done with my degree, so hopefully this won't hold me back too much. :P
 
5:25 PM
@duzzy good
 
Does anyone (looking (imaginarily) @Randal'Thor) know what happened to @f"? Hasn't been seen in a month
Would be a shame to lose our second top user
 
lol school just started for most people about a month ago, they might be busy with school
 
@BeastlyGerbil Nope, no idea. Seems to be a common phenomenon on this site: people shooting up to the top bunch of users and then just disappearing. leoll2, Bailey M, ...
 
@Randal'Thor make sure you don't fall foul to the same fate!!!
I was actually quite surprised that you came back after you were out for a year, such a long period of time would make some users forget about this site.
Pleased you did though...
 
Well, I certainly hadn't forgotten about SE in that time!
 
5:45 PM
you were gone for a year? why?
 
He was suspended for advertising his site
So it was a bit harsh by the mods
 
@Sconibulus Long story, but essentially the old mods here didn't like me and wanted to get rid of me.
 
Ssssshhhhh, Emrakul's still here you know :P
I've been suspended as well, and I'm pretty sure the old mods didn't like me either because when I was suspended for 'voting irregularities' I was innocent! And then when I told them I was they didn't even respond! Lost a month of puzzling for nothing...
 
Well, I always got on better with Emrak anyway :-)
 
Emrakul is a good mod, he's nicer than the old two were and I' glad the Deusov and GPR are more like him
 
5:50 PM
@BeastlyGerbil A month? Was it your second suspension? (you don't have to answer - no need to rake up old coals if you don't want to)
 
@Randal'Thor, yes my first was after a week on the site when I thought sockpuppets were allowed :P
Naivety is a bad thing
 
@BeastlyGerbil Naughty, naughty :-P
So the second was for sockpuppetry as well?
 
I don't know i was innocent!
 
Well, you must have got a mod message at least, which you could have responded to if you wanted to protest the suspension.
 
So now if I accidently do something wrong, I'll be out for a year instead of a month. Bit unfiar
@Randal'Thor I did respond! And they didn't respond back to my response!
 
5:53 PM
That's rather a steep escalation, if first suspension's a week, next is a month and next is a year!
 
I know!
 
Is there any decay?
 
I don't know
 
like, if you're suspended for a week, then behave for three years, will the second be a month anyway?
 
I think so
 
5:54 PM
@RosieF It's not a strict requirement - as you can see from Gamow, for instance (2-month suspension).
 
Suspension durations are always at the discretion of the mods, but the standard is 1 week, 1 month, 1 year.
 
The mods have discretion as to how long to suspend someone for.
Yes, what GPR said ^^
 
intruiginh
 
@Randal'Thor, did you do something wrong twice before? (You don't have to say)
Or was it just straight into a year
 
<ahem>
in Puzzles Etc., Sep 2 at 22:27, by GentlePurpleRain
We would probably all be better off if we tried to focus on the present. Randal'Thor has "served his time", so to speak, and is now back and contributing positively to the site. None of us is served well by continuing to discuss the events of the past.
 
5:56 PM
@BeastlyGerbil Yes, I had two previous (and justified) suspensions, but then behaved myself for several months before the third one.
 
I'm still contributing I just feel I have been unfairly treated...
Better behave yourself now, or you account will be deleted :P
 
@BeastlyGerbil Well, that's between you and the PSE mods - or, if you really want to 'appeal' the decision, the SE team.
 
@Randal'Thor, I won't go to that hassle unless I am suspended again I think...
It doesn't actually matter right now, but another suspension would see me out for a year instead of just a month, which is a big difference
 
I would think that you might be better off appealing what you think is a questionable suspension without the spectre of a deserved suspension hanging over the proceedings
 
@BeastlyGerbil Not necessarily. Like GPR said, suspension length is at the mods' discretion. If they decide your second suspension was unfair, or if you've earned enough 'brownie points' by behaving yourself in the interim, or if this hypothetical third suspension is for something totally unrelated, or for any other reason, they could choose to suspend you for something less than a year.
 
6:02 PM
In that case I beg the mods to be nice :P
Or better I don't get suspended again....
 
@BeastlyGerbil Yes, that's always the preferred option :-P
@Sconibulus Still haven't got much to go on for the last two of your five history riddles ...
Though I suspect "An Empire was born" may refer to the British Empire, and "I was somewhere in France" maybe the Napoleonic Wars or the First World War?
 
I think I should probably hold hints for a little while longer?
 
Wait a day then post a hint
 
Sure, I'm just thinking aloud really (and hoping maybe a third person will add some ideas).
Though you could confirm how correct the three I've got so far are :-)
 
6:17 PM
two of the three were ones I had come up with, the third is an entirely different, but eerily similar event, but yours works so I'd count it
(I've also forgotten what order you posted them in, so consider these comments in no particular order)
 
I suspect the "third" here is the Rubicon one, since that's probably a less well-known historical event than the other two.
 
Wow, I've made a lot of progress on my casino puzzle, ETP: This week
 
Rubicon doesn't appear to have happened under cover of darkness, from anything I've read
 
Yeah, I've probably been overusing the "darkness" line.
Also, I could only work out four lines for the Troy riddle.
 
6:34 PM
@Randal'Thor, I crossed the salty water, And the river, In a large wooden construct may refer to a boat?
 
@BeastlyGerbil Yes ... so we need a significant event in some historical conflict which involves a boat.
The Spanish Armada?
 
Maybe
 
I wonder where @Sconibulus is from ... that might have an effect on which 'significant' historical events he's chosen.
 
doesn't say on his profile..
 
I was somewhere in France,
I crossed the salt waters
In a large wooden construct,
Then the battle was won.
The Norman invasion of England?
 
6:47 PM
I'm from the U.S.
 
Good...
Oh ok
 
7:25 PM
I can't believe I transcribed seven lines of that before translating...
 
7:51 PM
Ive still got +80 so far for today even though I've given out a bounty. I count that as a good rep day
 
8:31 PM
Time to start another fortnightly challenge?
 
8:48 PM
I figured out that cipher I asked about earlier. It was just a substitution cipher that included punctuation in place of some of the letters, and some letters in place of punctuation.
 
9:10 PM
@Randal'Thor what are your thoughts on this suggested fix/improvement?:
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A: Can we have site-specific control over HNQ?

AlconjaWith recent discussions and active attempts to handle the declining riddle quality on the site, I thought I'd also resurrect this question too, as I think it's related (since broad low quality riddles => lots of guesses => HNQ)... As GentlePurpleRain points out, the algorithm to select posts f...

(from the perspective of someone who is a regular/mod on other non-PSE SEs)
 
@Alconja +1, nice idea. But realistically, I doubt you'll be able to persuade SE to change the HNQ algorithm even in this minor way. Everyone knows the HNQ system is broken, and nobody's done anything about it yet; I get the idea the CMs/devs have put the issue on a back burner for the foreseeable future and spend their time on other things instead.
You could propose it on main meta, but all you'd get is a bunch of upvotes (and main meta rep is the most useless rep there is) and no .
 
Yep, sounds about right to me.
 
9:36 PM
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Q: Vulnerable Outside the System

raisinghellyerI may be vulnerable here on the outside, back within your reach, but some of my kind run amok within their systems. Many are protected by fiery walls. One busies his time running cycles. Still another ensures that you’ve cleared your cookies. They are stewing over your calloused treatment of ...

 

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