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6:01 PM
@bobble Perhaps a clue?
 
hasn't been a day
 
okay sorry im off by 4 hours
 
do you really want one? :)
 
Yes, but you know if you want to be stickler :P
@Avi Do homophone indicators indicate to the right of where it's placed?
 
C4 hint: "telling fake news" is a wordplay unit
 
6:03 PM
So it is a homophone indicator
hmm
 
no comment
 
didn't expect you to
Hm, "early signs of" could be a first initial clue
That gives HORAW which means my word def could be wrong
what could "unopened" be?
Hm, I'm thinking "it deteriorated, unopened, in the end" means that "unopened" was removed at the end
Or... deteriorated could be an anagram?
@Avi How did you even come up with that?
 
6:32 PM
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Q: Another logic study

Jeremy DoverI'm working on another idea for a combination logic puzzle, and as before I've been gearing up by creating some studies. This first one came out decently, I think, so I figured I'd share it. This puzzle contains a Nonogram and a Slitherlink. The connection between the two is simple: for each clue...

 
i need help with this c4
 
If only I didn't have school... I'd totally work on Jeremy's logic mash-ups
 
Avi
which part
the eating babies?
 
everything
 
Avi
A Modest Proposal For preventing the Children of Poor People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick, commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, is a Juvenalian satirical essay written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729. The essay suggests that the impoverished Irish might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food to rich gentlemen and ladies. This satirical hyperbole mocked heartless attitudes towards the poor, as well as British policy toward the Irish in general. In English writing, the phrase "a modest...
 
6:41 PM
what the
 
The beheaded baby is in a fantasy world, though, so maybe their head was required for some potion?
 
Hmm
@Avi For "telling fake new", would it be a homophone of "cow" or "with a laugh"?
 
(I was quite pleased at how many fantasy elements ended up in the surface - alicorns and hags and ogres oh my!)
And I guess the talking cow would qualify
 
Fine I'll ask Jafe
@jafe For "telling fake new", would it be a homophone of "cow" or "with a laugh"?
 
Avi
7:14 PM
no idea
 
8:11 PM
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Q: How to see why single candidates are obviously correct? (Sudoku Beginner Question)

brycI am trying to understand something that should be simple. I have a "easy" puzzle here, and immediately found where 8 should be in the middle box. But in various Sudoku Apps, they show "candidates" to the user. And sometimes there is only one candidate available, essentially giving away an answe...

 
Avi
8:25 PM
CMC: make a CC for lily-livered
 
chat mini challenge?
 
Avi
yep
i'm thinking about thinking an I Love You
for the latter part of lily lol
because otherwise LiLyLi is very tricky to clue
 
LIVE+RED
Potter's mom
Flower
 
Avi
you can't just directly clue a word that's a component like that D:
 
Avi
8:30 PM
unless the surface is killer
 
I was thing VER(-T)
LI(VER-t)ED
 
ahh typed too soon
 
we should make CMCs an official thing
hey North & bobble & rest of NPG
 
for end: returned wrong study, reportedly before color.
 
For end: "endless color within a song"
Hm
 
8:35 PM
chat mega challenge: make a sschrodinger where both answers are Lair regulars :)
 
what is a schrodinger (other than the physicist)?
 
two answers to one cryptic
 
ah, like schrodinger's cat
hence the name?
 
I guess?
 
Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, sometimes described as a paradox, devised by Austrian-Irish physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935, during the course of discussions with Albert Einstein. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics applied to everyday objects. The scenario presents a hypothetical cat that may be simultaneously both alive and dead, a state known as a quantum superposition, as a result of being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur. The thought experiment is also often featured in theoretical discussions...
 
8:45 PM
@Avi Small yodeling beginner returned wrong study, reportedly before color - cowardly! (4-7) LIL + Y_ + LIVE< + RED (read)
I could make it better but I have homework shrug
 
Avi
can you think of a synonym for signature
that starts with D and ends in E
 
mark
oh
@Avi distinctive
 
Avi
Letter started with "I Love You" given without disclosure? Extremely cowardly. (4-7)
 
What's the wordplay?
 
 
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10:34 PM
@NorthLæraðr i think homophone indicators can often be on both sides, as in "heard X" or "X heard"... not sure about this one
think you'd need a comma on at least one side for it to work grammatically
if you guys like schrödinger clues, i'm literally three clues away from finishing a crossword that has a lot of them
 
@jafe Hm
 
I have not removed any punctuation necessary for the wordplay.
@jafe how... how... HOW?
 
Wait can you elaborate on the Schrodinger clue?
Is it like reverse clueing?
 
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Q: Wordplay tricks for "Schrödinger" cryptic clues

jafeI'm trying to write a "Schrödinger" cryptic clue. That is, a clue which can be solved in two different ways resulting in two valid answers, potentially with a different number of letters. What tricks can we use to write the wordplay part of a clue like this? As an example, let's say our answers...

2 answers, one clue
 
sniped
 
10:38 PM
hehe
also, someone should probably pin the hint
 
Oh...
 
Also, I need physics help... okay to ask here?
(it may be more of a trig question than a physics question, but the scenario is physics-related)
 
i need to get to bed, not that i'd be much help with physics anyway :P
 
will wait for deus then
 
The teacher has become the student :P
 
10:44 PM
What physics help do you need?
 
11:01 PM
@NorthLæraðr ? I am confuzzled
also I have to FACTOR A BUNCH OF RIDICULOUSNESS
 
@matt Bobble helped to tutor my physics assignment yesterday, now she's asking for help for her assignment
 
@NorthLæraðr ah right :)
 
Avi
@bobble L_ + ILY + (-d_e)LIVERED def cowardly
 
@matt What kind of factoring
 
@NorthLæraðr frickin' polynomials
 
11:05 PM
oooh factoring
 
@matt What kind?
 
I, on the other hand, have a stray Everything (though I can probably lose the "Everything" if I need to) and a missing SE. (Perhaps. There are other possible partial parses.)
 
I always loved factoring
 
Polynomials are nice.
 
Factoring isn't that bad unless it's long division
Then it's a bit annoying
 
Avi
11:06 PM
holy moly sign language is painful
 
Only because you're not used to it. Every language is painful until you get the hang of it.
 
Avi
I tried the ILY and it felt like the places between my fingers were tearing apart
 
I feel tempted to give a hint on the "Everything"
 
oh, that sort of painful
 
@North bi- and trinomials. answers are listed on second page, but that's cheating
 
11:07 PM
@matt Oh those are pretty straight forward
 
once you've memorised the special cases
which are a pain in the butt right now
 
Honestly the special cases aren't that bad
But yeah they are a pain in the butt in the beginning
 
exactly
doesn't help that they're not listed anywhere on the worksheet
 
Let's seem if I remember them....
(x-a)(x+a)=x^2-a^2
 
that formula is definitely wrong
(you get cross-terms -ax and +bx, and those don't cancel)
 
11:09 PM
wait
 
which formula? North or me?
 
North
 
you know
Forget me for a moment
 
I've got the gcf's down pat but it's the resulting stuff inside that's the real pain in the butt
 
Avi
Does anybody have a cryptic clue involving the phrase "fresh out of ideas"
cause I am fresh out of ideas
D:
 
11:12 PM
Okay there's like four conversation going on here
 
Avi
ignore mine :D
 
@North, about my polynomials

such as $5n(10n^2 + 29n + 18)$
(you're gonna want to get chatjax bookmarked)
 
Imma just take a step back and wait for bobble to finish
I just figure out how the numbers add up, it makes it go by really quickly
wait
That's not right
5n(10n+9)(n+2)
 
answers page agrees with you
 
Okay now Imma step back and wait for gareth and bobble to finish up
 
11:15 PM
aight
@North (sorry for interrupting again @bobble & @gareth)
$9v^2-1$, simple enough: wouldn't that be $(3v-1)(3v+1)$?
 
@matt Yup
 
cool
... and the next one is $25n^2-20n+4$ and as far as I know the coefficients are coprime
 
@matt I'm gonna wait for them to finish
Actually I'll head to that chatroom you made
 
can't find it, link?
 
im there
 
11:44 PM
should we take this to a different room that isn't general puzzling chat?
 
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