Programming Language Design and Implementation

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Rydwolf Programs

15:00

But usually I think normal users aim to get their basic outline upvoted, then a mod comes in later to work out the details

@mousetail Yeah exactly

It's like a two-step process

mousetail

Just saying equal representation is important. Even if mods should not have influence they do.

Rydwolf Programs

And it's typically a mod who goes in to work out the details since handling annoyiong details is kinda what they're there for, and people don't tend to care too much about those

mousetail

Exactly

We need people not from code golf responsible for handling a proprotion of the annoying details

Rydwolf Programs

Not sure I really agree there

mousetail

Or they'll all get a systemic bias

Rydwolf Programs

15:02

A systemic bias toward what?

Ginger

the system, of course

that's what a systemic bias is, right? :b

Rydwolf Programs

Not sure if you're serious but no :p

mousetail

Just having more experience with esolangs and golfinglangs as opposed to practlangs

Rydwolf Programs

It's not like we're robots

mousetail

Robots could not be biased, humans always are

Rydwolf Programs

15:03

CGCC people don't lose the ability to reason about and prioritize praclangs

And what would bias toward a particular type of language even impact?

mousetail

No, but they are still biassed just by the knowledge they do or don't have

Rydwolf Programs

Like, it's not like we'd be banning asking about praclangs or whatever lol

> Robots could not be biased

This is definitely not true

Racial bias has been demonstrated tons of times by automated things, especially ones based on machine learning

mousetail

Bad grammar, it's possible to contruct a robot that's not biassed theoretically. A human can not remove bias from themselves

For example a mod might choose to delay delete a off topic closed post because they personally view the subject matter as interesting.

Adám

@mousetail Right, I have plenty of practlang experience. Barely ever golf in esolangs.

Rydwolf Programs

@mousetail That's not really a task for mods but ig I see what you mean

I don't think this is a big deal at all tho

mousetail

15:07

Just one example, but if you are subtily biassed it will effect all of your tasks

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah and ^^^^

Tons of CGCCers don't even use esolangs

mousetail

I did say I wanted Adam on the mod team

@RydwolfPrograms It is before any user gets 2K rep

Rydwolf Programs

I give it 24h :p

Wait I forgot there's a rep cap lol

I give it 240h :p

mousetail

We can all give you bounties to bypass the rep limit

Rydwolf Programs

We'd all have to agree on who to give the bounties to tho lol

And it'd have to be someone we agree won't be mod

Someone we like but don't like that much :p

("like you?" would be a great reply to that :p)

Ginger

15:13

~~like lyxal?~~

Rydwolf Programs

Nah if lyxal isn't a mod I'm revolting :p

Ginger

I read that as "revolting" as in "ugly" and was briefly very confused

~~an evil witch placed a curse upon you that turns you into an ogre if lyxal isn't elected mod~~

Adám

Relevant for this community: Programming Languages Festival! (Feb 2024):

> Do you love programming languages? Especially design or maybe even making your own, but you're not an academic researcher? Just want to learn more about what's out there and meet people?

mousetail

15:46

@Adám 50K is a big ask

Adám

@mousetail That's actually not very much to run a conference.

mousetail