Winter Bash 2021

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

01:28

Hi all!

@Slate meta.stackexchange.com/questions/374305/…

Panda

01:52

@Slate Hmm, Defender of the Unicorn was a last-minute addition last year when Winter Bash was in full swing.

@Wolgwang Thanks, I still wonder though if that hat’s automatically awarded when the status-completed tag is added or manually awarded.

I got it within 5 min of the status-completed tag being added.

@Slate Both hats are indeed elusive.

Slate

@12944qwerty I don't think hats ever check other hats network-wide, but I could be wrong about that.

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Lmk if you're still having trouble with this tomorrow.

@Panda That's cool, didn't know that!

Panda

@Slate Found the comment by Yaakov last year!

Slate

@Panda Yes - based on last year's Winter Bash I expect they'll be awarded somewhere between 12-24 times by the end of it. But it's hard to predict! Helping Heart will be awarded with increasing frequency as WB passes, but Three Buried Pennies might not.

Panda

I made the hat myself this morning (using a retired hat from an old winterbash as a template). No more design time available for this year. Waddayathink? — Yaakov Ellis ♦ Dec 22 '20 at 15:58

Slate

Nice find.

Panda

01:57

@Slate Sounds kinda of like Red Baron last time.

Slate

Don't know it, what was it?

Panda

@Slate “earned by giving an answer scoring 5 or better to question that had a score of −3 or worse at the time of answering and later rose to a score of +3 or better”

It appeared for a few Winter Bashes under different names and it’s usually awarded to <30 users.

Slate

Yeah, makes sense.

To be honest I would guess Helping Heart is the most complex WB hat trigger we've ever had. But that's only because it grossly outpaces everything else this year. It requires at least two people to obtain - and most commonly I'd expect three, four, or even possibly five participants.

It's also the most rigorous this year, I believe. It would be extremely difficult to game without extensive use of sockpuppets.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate Ok

Panda

@Slate That sounds very interesting!

12944qwerty

02:14

@Panda that is incredibly difficult dang\

Panda

@12944qwerty Yea, but there was one year when the Show Off Your Hats post had a negative score at the beginning and those who posted an answer then all got the hat later.

Wolgwang

@nobody Slow trickle: for getting an upvote on any post on four separate days [in a row] without a downvote on any post?

12944qwerty

do that every year

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty What?

12944qwerty

not you, panda's thing. I lagged out and sent that late lol

nobody

02:26

@Wolgwang That would be making it more restrictive, slate said we had to get a tad bit less restrictive

12944qwerty

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Wow 26 answers and 10 votes

not me still trynna figure out a golf challenge

Xnero

@Wolgwang What about removing the "in a row" part?

Wolgwang

@Xnero Hmm possible

@nobody Slow trickle for getting an upvote on a post on four separate days without including the day on which it is downvoted? @Xnero

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

03:13

@12944qwerty Lol

@Wolgwang One upvote on this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/374172/… would prove if that is true or not

12944qwerty

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward what do you think of this golfing challenge before i post it

You have a random string input which you then get the unicode code point of each character. Then, for each digit in each code point you get the binary number and take the sum of all of those binary numbers as if they were in base 10

i'll explain better on the question

shortest i got was 75 chars python for now

i have no idea what the title can be

Wolgwang

03:31

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Can't upvote :-/ I have already upvoted it.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

03:43

@12944qwerty Sure!

Will try to answer :)

@12944qwerty Btw, could you upvote: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/374172/…

to see whether Wolgwang is right

@Slate When you mean tommorow... Like in what timezone :)

Joe Kerr

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward just upvoted that, see if it gave you the hat or not

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Thanks!!!

Joe Kerr

np

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Can you delete your answer to missing avatar question? (It is outdated+ It will test Quadalogue hat)

nobody

@Wolgwang I tested that already

Didn't work

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

03:50

@Wolgwang Why?

Wolgwang

in Mathematics, 18 mins ago, by Wolgwang

Ah! thanks :)

nobody

@Wolgwang Maybe it is comment under an answer and then it gets deleted?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Wolgwang It is!!

Got the hat!

Slow trickle

@JoeKerr Thanks

nobody

@Slate chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59940644#59940644

Wolgwang

@nobody Possible @U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Can you test it?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

04:03

Ok

12944qwerty

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward now?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

No need anymore :)

@Wolgwang Done

Wolgwang

Fingers crossed.

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward 23 hats ಠωಠ

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Haha

Is Yaakov back yet ಠωಠ

Wolgwang

No, timezones...

12944qwerty

04:11

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/239935/…

Answered it myself too

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Negative (ب_ب)

nobody

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Wolgwang

@nobody Insert that in ` and

nobody

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Wolgwang Oh, now I see :)

Backslash is used for escaping

Did we confirm the trigger for one buried penny yet?

Wolgwang

Nah

@nobody Let me ask the two burried pennies.

@Slate Two burried pennies: One burried penny+ the question gets an upvote ?

12944qwerty

04:24

what's one buried penny tho

Wasn't there a hat where if you comment under an answer to your postive question and they edit that answer, you get a hat?

... yes there is i just didn't see the notifications lol

no idea what I did to get each of these (except for the ones we know)

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty You got Trialogue before monologue o_o

12944qwerty

oh damn

nobody

@12944qwerty We know literally all of them :)

12944qwerty

that might just be how they prioritize rewardign

oh we do? iddn't know we knew trialogue

nobody

@Wolgwang Probably got them all together, that's just the order the notifications showed up in

@12944qwerty Trialogue is that one

12944qwerty

04:30

ohh we didn't know quadalogue

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty How did you think of that challenge? I also want to ask something on code golf ಠωಠ

12944qwerty

I have no idea

I just was thinking binary seems to be a hard thing

then looped from there

Wolgwang

ಠಗಠ I guess I am not creative ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ

12944qwerty

i'm not either but i still managed that

Wolgwang

Code golf on creating this:

*
* *
* * *
* * * *
* * * * *

@12944qwerty What do you think? It's too basic...

kesarling He-Him

04:42

E-Pic... does anyone else think its related to updating the profile pic?

12944qwerty

@Wolgwang pretty sure that would be a dupe

@kesarlingHe-Him tias, let us know

kesarling He-Him

ok

Wolgwang

@kesarlingHe-Him Nope...

kesarling He-Him

@12944qwerty nope

@Wolgwang 😅

12944qwerty

worth a try

kesarling He-Him

04:48

@Wolgwang how about adding a pic in one of the posts? (and maybe requiring a UV on it)

12944qwerty

UV?

kesarling He-Him

upvote, duh

Slate

@Wolgwang Y'know the answer to One Buried Penny isn't known yet, right? ;)

12944qwerty

@kesarlingHe-Him thought it was ultraviolet

kesarling He-Him

lol

Slate

04:51

Believe it or not, despite that, you otherwise nailed it, though. Barring one small but important stipulation...

12944qwerty

the one buried penny?

kesarling He-Him

@Slate um... it has to be a new post?

Slate

Wolgwang guessed that Two Buried Pennies is One Buried Penny plus the post gets upvoted. That guess is missing a tiny stipulation (not "new post"), but is actually ridiculously close. Also, "One Buried Penny" doesn't seem to have been identified, yet, so identifying Two Buried Pennies first is extremely funny to me.

kesarling He-Him

oh!

12944qwerty

the post is the question or the answer?

Slate

04:54

;)

12944qwerty

i saw it barely

struggling to remember it

Slate

At any rate, question or answer is generally what's meant by "post"

12944qwerty

yes, but it's definitely going to be one or the other... which one?

Slate

You're looking for the wrong little stipulation. My hint is that the stipulation acts as a check to prevent misuse of the site to get the hat.

12944qwerty

cannot have been downvoted?

Slate

04:56

That one's not it! It's a good guess, though.

12944qwerty

it'll be hard to get it without the one buried penny

(the stipulation i mean)

CinCout

@Slate Spotting Scope: raise 10 flags

12944qwerty

in a day?

CinCout

no, on a site

Slate

@CinCout You are on the right track

CinCout

04:59

@Slate 10 successful flags?

12944qwerty

hm, how do i know how many flags i've raised on a site since WB started?

Slate

You are still on the right track

12944qwerty

that's to free of a constraint

CinCout

@12944qwerty stackoverflow.com/users/flag-summary/current

12944qwerty

yeah i know that... i only have 6 till now

did you get the hat?

CinCout

05:00

@12944qwerty i did

12944qwerty

@Slate do you have to be the first to raise the flag?

Slate

No

12944qwerty

So raising 10 successful flags... any variation of numbers of flags will work? Like 15 or something?

CinCout

@12944qwerty i got it right at 10

no less no more

12944qwerty

hm

CinCout

05:02

they were a mix of post and comments flag

@Slate Spotting Scope: raise 10 successful flags with at least one flag on comments?

Slate

Nope!

12944qwerty

gotta play hot/cold man

CinCout

@Slate Spotting Scope: raise a total of at least 10 successful flags on 5 separate days?

12944qwerty

is there a hat that requires editing a question that causes it to reopen after it had closed?

Slate

@CinCout Nope. FWIW I think you need more data.

CinCout

05:08

@Slate ah. alright

i have it on SO too, but there's too much flag data to make sense of!

12944qwerty

I currently have 9 flags.. gotta find another question

@Slate do they all have to be the same type of flag?

what about those posts being deleted?

Slate

(You made a lot of progress with what you figured out but as a puzzle-setter you should know I try to avoid 'lucky guess' kinds of situations. Don't let that discourage you - you've gotten a lot closer.)

CinCout

@12944qwerty what do you mean?

12944qwerty

Like all would be needs-improvement or mod attention or guideline, etc types

CinCout

@Slate oh yeah, no lucky guesses this time around. Gotta give you that

Slate

05:11

:)

CinCout

@12944qwerty can be any IMO. Again, trigger not known so can never be sure!

12944qwerty

Just got spotting scope without 10 flags

Slate

The puzzles are fun but I mostly focused on making these Winter Bash secret hat triggers award consistent, helpful, positive participation in ways that others in the community can validate. (With a few exceptions that are just for fun.) That makes the triggers a bit less obvious by default, because misuse prevention is built in.

CinCout

@12944qwerty where?

12944qwerty

SO

9 flags since Dec 15 (I think my time?)

10 flags but only one has yet to be helpful

CinCout

05:14

@12944qwerty can you recount? pretty sure you missed one

12944qwerty

Maybe 5 flags within 24 hours?

CinCout

@12944qwerty maybe that's the trigger then? Raise 10th flag when 9 are already successful?

12944qwerty

No

I raised 8,then one still in review then one helpful one

Maybe 5 flags within 24 hours that got posts deleted?

CinCout

@12944qwerty tag the mods

12944qwerty

@Slate ^^

Slate

05:16

(It was a bit of a careful balancing act. I suspect there will be 2-3 undiscovered hats this year, and I'm ok with that. But I'll be extremely excited if the triggers to those are found.)

12944qwerty

oh-

CinCout

@12944qwerty wait no, can't be

@Slate fingers crossed

Slate

Y'all have every piece of information you need at this point (even if you are not thinking about it in the right way). That guess, however, is not it.

nobody

@Slate At this point it looks like there will be 5-6 undiscovered hats...

CinCout

@Slate this is big @nobody. We just need to think in the right direction

nobody

05:18

@Slate I believe we know what one buried penny is, we just didn't get the time frame yet

12944qwerty

yesss let's totally figure out which way is the right direction

time frame?

oh

what is it

Slate

@nobody Eight have been discovered. Five, I've seen someone almost say the trigger to the hat, or even sometimes outright say it (but not ask for confirmation). Eight more hats remain past those, many of which will be awarded with increasing frequency. So, I'm hopeful.

3

12944qwerty

Damn those 5 people

Slate

:D

12944qwerty

am i one of them XD

CinCout

05:19

"or even sometimes outright say it (but not ask for confirmation)" you have got to be kidding me

Slate

I didn't write down who, unfortunately.

nobody

Wolgwang definitely is

Slate

Yeah I've seen two cases of "is it this? no it can't be" and then moving on.

And spoiler: it was actually it.

CinCout

@Slate dude. wtf

Slate

It's been such an effort to keep my beak shut.

CinCout

05:20

@Slate that's not your job anyway

@Slate i can imagine

12944qwerty

@Slate please dont?

Slate

:D

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty What?

12944qwerty

@Wolgwang Slate had wrote something then deleted it...

and now i forgot it

Wolgwang

@nobody 乁༼☯‿☯✿༽ㄏ

CinCout

05:24

6 mins ago, by Slate

@nobody Eight have been discovered. Five, I've seen someone almost say the trigger to the hat, or even sometimes outright say it (but not ask for confirmation). Eight more hats remain past those, many of which will be awarded with increasing frequency. So, I'm hopeful.

Wolgwang

@12944qwerty -_-

nobody

@12944qwerty Man, I used to have my chat set up so that deleted messages wouldn't be deleted for me. Don't know why I stopped doing it.

12944qwerty

sounds illegal lol

Wolgwang

@CinCout I am thinking of reading all the messages in this room then 😎

@nobody How ?

CinCout

@Wolgwang hell of a task if you ask me

nobody

05:27

@Wolgwang Modified the main chat script.

Wolgwang

CinCout

@Wolgwang good luck to you. If you do manage it though, you'll be the one to locate the maxmum triggers this year

Wolgwang

I think we should not had skip the hats whose trigger were 'close'.

CinCout

@Slate any hat for that? :P

@Wolgwang spotting scope is the latest. Give your inputs

nobody

@CinCout For identifying the most triggers?

CinCout

05:31

@nobody yeah

Slate

I haven't been keeping track :(

nobody

@CinCout They used to have something of the sort in the past. But turns out things tend to get a bit ugly when it comes to deciding who figured out the trigger. Because often, it's more than one person involved in determining the trigger.

12944qwerty

@Slate Question, when a trigger requires a positively received votes, does it have to have more UV than DV? Or no DV at all?

Slate

Hmm, I'm not sure I understand the question.

CinCout

@Slate hence no hat :D

12944qwerty

05:34

> the question must have a positive score

CinCout

@nobody makes sense

12944qwerty

does that mean more UV than DV? So it sitll has positive votes...

or 0 DV with at least one UV

Slate

If the trigger says the question must have "positive score," that means more upvotes than downvotes.

12944qwerty

ok

Slate

i.e. "is the number shown in the vote total greater than zero?"

12944qwerty

05:37

yeah

@Slate Confirmation: Is helping hand when you post three positively scored answers under user's first question?

Slate

Three whole answers on a user's first question? No! :D

CinCout

@Slate he meant on questions of 3 different users :D

12944qwerty

yeah

doesn't have to be the same user

that would be weird

Slate

Also no.

12944qwerty

aw

Wolgwang

05:41

@12944qwerty It is related to comments.

Dec 17 at 18:27, by Slate

@Wolgwang Believe it or not, that's actually a bit too restrictive. You're very, very close, but the hat has been awarded in cases that haven't gone as far as you've listed.

CinCout

@Slate or 3 different questions of the same user? Not as weird then

Slate

Yeah, also no.

12944qwerty

welp i gtg sleep... hopefully a fresh mind after finals will help

bye

Slate

Enjoy finals!

12944qwerty

are you crazy

who enjoys finals

Wolgwang

05:44

@CinCout That has been already discussed...

Dec 18 at 3:47, by Wolgwang

@Slate Different users?

Slate

What if I told you there was a secret hat for enjoying finals?

Wolgwang

Dec 18 at 5:21, by Slate

@Wolgwang Not per text but it might've been implemented that way, idk.

CinCout

wasn't aware

Wolgwang

2 days ago, by Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Also they are not three different users so that is implemented that way!

CinCout

@Slate ha ha

12944qwerty

05:44

@Slate i would never get it

Wolgwang

Can anyone post their theory that was 'close" to the actual trigger here:

Get triggered! 🦄🧇

Keeping a note of secret hats' triggers that were very close.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate Matryoshka, ask a question that get's 5 or more answers, and question score > 3

CinCout

@Wolgwang how to find that out?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

I think I am off a bit

CinCout

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward another question hat? Ugh

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

05:54

Just a guess lol

Or

CinCout

i dont like asking questions just for the sake of it

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate Matryoshka, ask a question that has positive score, and self-answer also with positive score

Slate

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Dial in the question score.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate So it's close?

Slate

Yes.

(All of the question hats, I believe, require other factors outside of your control, including confirmation that it's a good question, in order to obtain them, specifically to discourage folks from just asking random non-useful questions.)

kelvin

05:56

hello

Wolgwang

@kelvin Hello!

CinCout

@Slate of course. I just don't like asking them when I ain't really facing them

Slate

Then... don't! ;)

CinCout

i didn't ;)

Slate

(Or if you feel like you'd want the hat, I'm sure you can come up with something you know that would benefit from being written down and shared with the world.)

CinCout

05:58

you mean like asking and self answering?

Slate

Not necessarily, but sure. Challenging problems skilled folks run into are good to write down by themselves, imo, even without an answer.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate Matryoshka, ask a question that get's 5 or more answers, and question score > 5

Wolgwang

5 upvotes with 5 answers and Matryoshka math.stackexchange.com/questions/4335944/…

Slate

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward That's as close as I think is practically achievable. Congrats on the discovery! Was that a totally random guess or something?

The little tiny piece you were missing, by the way, is that all the answers must have positive score.

CinCout

congrats @U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Slate

06:02

(But realizing that would require finding a question with four positive answers and one nonpositive answer, which is. Really, beyond unlikely to happen.)

I ask if it was a random guess because no one was even close to guessing that one.

You just kinda pulled that out of the blue, at least to my knowledge, which is pretty impressive luck. (Or skill, if it was deliberate.)

...and that makes the current split 9/5/7 (discovered/close/unknown).

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate YAy!

It was a total guess!

@CinCout Thanks

Wolgwang

Trigger confirmed?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate Hah

I randomly guessed

Slate

Look at me, bragging about how hats aren't guessable by luck this year. And now you come along...

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Cuz I got the hat right around 5 answers and 5 upvotes to my question

Slate

06:05

Trigger confirmed, yeah.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

!!!!

Slate

> Post a question of +5 score with >=5 positive answers

As it appears on spreadsheet

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Well that's not luck, then! That's experience! I feel justified, now.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

@Slate question score 5 or more or more than 5?

Slate

5 or greater

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Thanks ok

Wolgwang

06:11

Just came across a user with only 4 comments and helping arm. math.stackexchange.com/users/43239/clayton

Slate

That's a good find!

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Yes

Wolgwang

What is happening?

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

?

Wolgwang

literature.stackexchange.com/users/15363/wolgwang?tab=profile

The hat is not where I had set it.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

06:16

Try to set on all sites

Wolgwang

It is correct on all other sites ...

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Wtf

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Did that again...and fixed

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Great

@Slate I know it isn't tomorrow yet but

this

no hat yet :(

bug manifesting hat?

Slate

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/30629281

You need 25 consecutive reviews where the outcome agreed with you. That outcome disagreed. So you are currently at 15 consecutive (I believe).

CinCout

06:26

@Slate how to find out the consecutive count?

Slate

Look through your history and open 'em in tabs?

Wolgwang

@Wolgwang First to comment (+ve score) on two new contributor's questions?

CinCout

no direct way right?

Slate

(Harmony, Rapport, and Consensus are all rather difficult hats to obtain because of the consecutive agreement requirement. But that's what they're for - they reward consistency.)

Wolgwang

@Wolgwang Nah

Someone online for a test?

Eran

06:41

Hi

Wolgwang

Hi

Eran

I got helping hand. Do we know the trigger for that? I have an idea

Wolgwang

@Eran No, but we were close....

in Get triggered! 🦄🧇, 1 hour ago, by Wolgwang

in Winter Bash 2021, Dec 17 at 18:25, by Wolgwang

@Slate Helping hands: Post three positively scored comments under a users' first post and the OP edits the question after the comments?

in Get triggered! 🦄🧇, 1 hour ago, by Wolgwang

in Winter Bash 2021, Dec 17 at 18:27, by Slate

@Wolgwang Believe it or not, that's actually a bit too restrictive. You're very, very close, but the hat has been awarded in cases that haven't gone as far as you've listed.

@Eran What is your idea?

Eran

I think I got the hat for a single first question where I posted a comment, the OP replied, I posted another comment and the OP replied and edited the question. And only one of the comments was upvoted.

Wolgwang

@Eran Have you posted other such comments?

Ankit Sharma

06:48

BYe bye first position :p :D

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma :'-)

Slate

Oh, wow, I didn't realize you'd been dislodged!

Eran

@Wolgwang now that you mention it, there was another first question that I commented and was edited later.

Ankit Sharma

I got the easy and random secret ones, now not getting any

Wolgwang

@Eran So two such comments only?

Eran

06:52

@Wolgwang two questions with comments. Each with two comments, but maybe one is enough. One comment was upvoted in each of these questions

Ankit Sharma

cleanmup hints or guesses?

Eran

I was trying to get helping finger, but ended with a full hand :)

cleanup was usually for deleting 10 old comments. Have you tried that?

Wolgwang

@Eran Matches with my theory if I change the number to 2.

@Slate Helping hands: Post two positively scored comments under a users' first post and the OP edits the question after the comments?

Slate

@Wolgwang Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!

Wolgwang

Is that a blue jay chirping sound :) ?

Eran

06:56

@Slate Hey, I gave him the details :)

Slate

And one more hat falls...

Hahah, congrats to you too, @Eran :D

CinCout

its a good morning

2 down in a couple of hours

Slate

Blue Jay Alarm Calls and Imitating a Sharp-shinned Hawk

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Status report: 10 solved / 4 close / 7 unsolved.

Get triggered! 🦄🧇

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