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Izzy

18:04

@Undo as for leventov's Meta which just popped up: Could you approve my wiki edit?

Seth

Why do we need html?

Izzy

Will check/do the other one as well. And walk the questions (possibly re-tag). We might need a "todo" tag as well (third variant of task-management), but maybe later (currently, I'd say it's a kind of "project-management" ;)

@Seth Why java, c#, etc?

Isn't that the very same category?

Seth

@Izzy We don't need those either >.<

Izzy

@Seth Umm. I remember we had a discussion on that. But I don't remember its outcome.

Yuck. just have that in the review-queue: "html" added to "web-development".

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Q: Can we agree on a tagging guide?

I think we have three sets of tags on SR: (Please note that I don’t have good headlines for describing these groups as I’m not a native speaker; I hope the example tags make it clear, and please suggest better terms for describing them.) Tags describing which attributes the software MUST have....

@Seth ^^ even explicitly mentions "html"

Seth

doesn't really talk about it though.

@Izzy Exactly :-/

Izzy

18:17

@Seth What's the first coming to mind on "web-development"?

Seth

The tag?

Izzy

Cloud. Advertisements. Java beans.

Oh, and what language? #D

Seth

I dunno... I'm not sure we need it.

Izzy

Raise it on meta. As it currently stands, we seem to have agreed that dev-lang tags are valid (at least implicitly).

Braiam

> 3. How should we tag questions about {subject}?

How should we tag questions about HTML editors?

html-editor exist...

Izzy

18:20

OK. Now, that doesn't really fit the mentioned question:

Braiam

How should we tag questions about converting from/to HTML?

Izzy

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Q: Tool for explaining HTML layouts

The rules for HTML layout are extremely complex, but I have never seen a tool for explaining in detail why elements are layout out the way that they are. I've worked with Firebug and equivalents quite a lot, but they only display calculated sizes - they don't try to explain any of the underlying ...

web-development

Braiam

document-converter exist...

Izzy

hm...

code-analysis exists as well...

Braiam

Tool for explaining HTML/C/C++/Markdown/CSS/JavaScript layouts?

Izzy

18:21

@Braiam ^^^

Thanks, you won :D

Braiam

@Izzy that might be good

Izzy

and already exists. Very good analysis, and brought up an analysis tag even #D

Seth

what a mess.

Braiam

> tools and programs to analyze and explain source code in different languages.

new tag excerpt?

btw, please don't try to use markdown in tag excerpt

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Izzy

@Seth Yupp. While we were discussing, someone ate the other two pending edits...

But that might have been my own tag-wiki edits.

@Braiam Good point! Only plain-text works there. A trap I was caught in often enough...

@Braiam checking...

Hm, that one might be better done by a "real dev"...

What does it cover? Debugging of all kinds, including step-by-step tracing and whatsnots?

Braiam

18:27

lemme see if programers or code review has similar tags

programmers has it, but doesn't have wiki programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/code-analysis

Izzy

Yuck I just wanted to add my canned one to have the answer-poster improve the 3-liner. What do I see? Sam. Community Wiki. Hm. So do I notify Community to improve? #/

Braiam

@Izzy don't be afraid of removing CW'ed post and commenting the OP

Izzy

@Braiam looks good! Can any native speaker please explain why "code-analysis" (with an S) is used to "analyze" (with a Z)?

@Braiam Umm? Can I un-CW that?

Braiam

@Izzy ELU or ELL?

@Izzy no, only mods

Izzy

@Braiam See your tag excerpt edit :)

@Braiam I am no mod. And I don't want to raise a "discussion" on that in the comments ("it's CW, do it yourself")...

So what. Comments can be removed #D

@Braiam Ugh. So things are clear for en_UK (both times "S"). But still mixed with en_US...

renaming code-analysis to code-dissection to avoid confusion

Braiam

18:35

> an·a·lyze /ˈanlˌīz/
verb
verb: analyse; 3rd person present: analyses; past tense: analysed; past participle: analysed; gerund or present participle: analysing; verb: analyze; 3rd person present: analyzes; past tense: analyzed; past participle: analyzed; gerund or present participle: analyzing

1. examine methodically and in detail the constitution or structure of (something, esp. information), typically for purposes of explanation and interpretation.
"we need to analyze our results more clearly"

> a·nal·y·sis /əˈnaləsis/
noun
noun: analysis; plural noun: analyses

1. detailed examination of the elements or structure of something, typically as a basis for discussion or interpretation.
"statistical analysis"

I see them both well used

Izzy

Never mind. Let's just rename that tag (see my previous comment) #D

Gilles

@Izzy no, mostly deriving properties of programs

it's a standard term

Izzy

@Gilles Thanks! See, that's why I left that tag wiki to someone more experienced in that field :)

Gilles

for the spelling, it's standard English craziness

Braiam

@Gilles the mods has "improve" tag wiki's?

Seth

18:42

I actually prefer most British spellings..

Izzy

@Gilles Yeah. Guess we've got that in German as well, but don't notice as we're used to those terms...

Gilles

@Braiam you get the “improve” button if you can edit directly. So 1k/2k for q&a, 4k/20k for tag wikis

Izzy

@Gilles I'm glad we got that for q/a when going public. Really missed it before!

Gilles

@Izzy we had it before, but you have to have sufficient rep

I think you got it during private beta, IIRC at 750

Izzy

@Gilles I already had 1k+ during private beta, but don't remember I saw that "Improve" button before we went public.

Seth

18:45

The improve button has always been there for edits..

Unless we're talking about wikis.

Izzy

I'm not sure anymore (as you're that convinced). But it doesn't really matter now :)

Braiam

so, what happened with the html?

Gilles

19:05

@Braiam nothing that I can see, why?

Braiam

@Gilles from here on we apparently were debating the usefulness of having html tag chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13931535#13931535

Gilles

@Braiam I see a debate, I don't see arguments

I have no idea why anyone would find this tag not useful

hichris123

@Undo Your 3 hours are up. Your mod duties await you!

Undo

19:48

@hichris123 grumbles I claim unforeseen circumstances!

(and I come back to ten inbox messages, all from chat, and a lit up diamond inbox >.<)

But no flags :D

hichris123

@Undo How many from me? :P

At least 3...

Undo

counts

four, at least.

hichris123

So... about half.

I think that's good. :P

Oh, Manish made Cinder better @Undo.

Undo

What did he do?

reads CHQ transcript

Izzy

@Gilles nodding approval

@Undo LOL That sounds like "unexpected error". Doesn't that imply there are also "expected errors" – or, in your case, "foreseen circumstances"? #D

Undo

20:02

Yes.

Izzy

OK.

Undo

In this case the unforeseen circumstance is eating, but I digress :P

Izzy

Btw: Just working the tags again. We've got "task-management" clear now (OS-tasks and -processes). We already got "project-management" clear. Fine. But what's to be included in time-management?

hichris123

@Undo Wait... you don't expect to eat everyday?

Izzy

Is it all from countdown-timers to calendars to todo lists and whatsnots?

Undo

20:04

Didn't expect to eat at that time in a wifi-less area.

Izzy

@Undo Ah! Expected error: wrong food. Unexpected error: missing wifi. OK. That's really bad, must count as excuse #D

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Undo

I really should get something will cellular connectivity.

Izzy

Any ideas on my above tag question?

We've got a separate "calendar" tag already. So what is "time-management" then that it excludes calendar?

oh, and also excludes "project-management".

Braiam

@Izzy there, a excerpt

btw, it was well used

Izzy

20:19

Yuck that is.. maybe a bit broad? Do alarm-clocks count as well? a simple watch even? Doesn't it overlap with project-management then?

Braiam

Time management

Time management is the act or process of planning and exercising conscious control over the amount of time spent on specific activities, especially to increase effectiveness, efficiency or productivity. It is a meta-activity with the goal to maximize the overall benefit of a set of other activities within the boundary condition of a limited amount of time. Time management may be aided by a range of skills, tools, and techniques used to manage time when accomplishing specific tasks, projects, and goals complying with a due date. Initially, time management referred to just business or work...

Izzy

Or when I need a reply urgently?

I needed to read that 4 times to check what it is #D

@Braiam 404

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name

Braiam

dammed wikipedia

Izzy

Time management

Time management is the act or process of planning and exercising conscious control over the amount of time spent on specific activities, especially to increase effectiveness, efficiency or productivity. It is a meta-activity with the goal to maximize the overall benefit of a set of other activities within the boundary condition of a limited amount of time. Time management may be aided by a range of skills, tools, and techniques used to manage time when accomplishing specific tasks, projects, and goals complying with a due date. Initially, time management referred to just business or work...

That one?

Braiam

mm... I already linked it :/

Izzy

20:23

Where to?

Braiam

@Braiam here @Izzy

Izzy

@Braiam Ugh... facepalm

OK, full tag-wiki proposed.

Waiting for @Undo to check and confirm :)

Undo

eh?

goes to edit queue

confirmed

Izzy

@Undo Thanks! Now we just need a good full tag-wiki for project-management.

Undo

yup

Izzy

20:34

checking...

OK, that should do.

Gilles

20:53

@Izzy Please avoid fluff like “has many facets”, “this is your tag”, etc. in a tag wiki

Also, I'm not too sure about the content. Source code control, for example, isn't project management. Issue tracking is a pretty separate topic too.

Izzy

Issue tracking is part of most project management packages I know.

Gilles

If I go through the tag wikis on the site, I'm going to find a lot of crap, aren't I? :(

Undo

@Gilles define crap

Gilles

@Undo “the [foo] tag is about foo” (saw lots of these before I was a mod), Wikipedia copy-paste, ...

hichris123

@Gilles I don't think so... Robert rejected most of those.

Stack Exchange

21:25

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Q: How do you interpret this blog article about guidelines on SE?

I would like to draw your attention on the following topic. I will cite some part of the guidelines. "We prefer questions that can be answered, not just discussed." "We never claimed that subjective questions were horrible abominations that should never be asked." "Because we believe so deeply ...

discussion

kalina

21:54

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A: What is required for an answer to be high quality?

I really really love your passion but.. I think you didn't take everything into consideration. You are stating wonderful rules for achieving a really good quality answers and questions. But... they require a strong effort. What happen if people get bored from this? What would have happened if a...

hichris123

@Undo ^ uh... :P

Undo

:P

Is... that one giant not-an-answer on meta?

:P

hichris123

@Undo That does mean a delete button, yes. :P Even though they say not to delete answers... oh well.

Undo

I don't feel like mod-hammering it right now.

Stack Exchange

0

Q: Can we afford deleting not good quality answers?

I really really love your passion but I think you didn't take everything into consideration. You are stating wonderful rules for achieving a really good quality answers and questions. But they require a strong effort. What happen if people get bored from these? What would have happened if at t...

discussion

Gilles

22:24

Do you have a point here, or do you just enjoy wasting our time? — Gilles 20 secs ago

I have no hope whatsoever that this guy is going to make a positive contribution.

and I'm still not completely sure this isn't a psych experiment

Fractaliste

His contribution are becoming a sketch...

Braiam

I can't believe he is asking why the downvote in meta...

Izzy

@Gilles Sorry, was called off-keyboard. I'm a little unsure to what you're addressing here. Is it about style? Whether I say "please use this tag", "this is the correct tag", or "this is your tag"? I rawly remember a tag-wiki should say where to use or not to use a tag.

Gilles

@Izzy a tag wiki should say when to use the tag when it's not obvious. There's no point in saying “the tag foo is about Foo”. OTOH, it's worth mentioning e.g. that the tag photoshop is for Photoshop plugins (as opposed to alternatives to Photoshop).

user58869

22:40

@Braiam it's good to ask that though, someone might see it as a prompt to provide more information

Izzy

22:55

@Gilles Got that. But what's obvious to you and me, might not necessarily be obvious to Joe. Examples even of obvious things make clear Joe got it right. Of course this should not be exaggerated – and of course it also requires Joe to read the tag-wiki at all...

hichris123

@Izzy Well... how bout this: if you said to a random person What's <tag> would they know what you meant?

Izzy

@hichris123 Humm? The point was not whether Joe reads the tag wiki. Or did I get you wrong here?

Braiam

@Izzy yeah, Joe never read the tag wiki anyways...

hichris123

@Izzy Yeah, I probably didn't make it clear enough. If Joe wouldn't obviously know what a tag is, then define it. But don't define internet, or computer, or obvious stuff like that.

Izzy

@Braiam OK. So why make it Joe-friendly at all – is that the point?

@hichris123 Yeah, that's clear. If someone doesn't know what the Internet is, he wouldn't be here asking :)

hichris123

22:59

@Izzy You never know...:

Izzy

@hichris123 Ah, you've got the thoughts between the lines :D

hichris123

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Q: Age limit is too strict

There is a restriction on setting your birthday: Oops! There was a problem updating your profile: - Birthday must be after 1920/01/01 I realize the number of 90 year old users is small, but shouldn't the restriction be a bit more relaxed, such as larger than any known living person? Eith...

feature-request profile-page

@Izzy ^^

Izzy

See, and that's why I even try to explain the "simple things". In short words, hopefully.

@hichris123 LOL Yeah. Reminds me of a review I've got on one of my books. A 70 year old reader said he was happy having bought it, since the way it was written even let a 70 year old like him understand.

hichris123

@Izzy :O You write books?

Izzy

@hichris123 Yupp. Find me on Amazon :)

hichris123

23:03

@Izzy Linky?

Izzy

search on amazon for "izzy android"

hichris123

You make me do work... :(

Izzy

Then follow up the author on one of the 3 blueish ebooks turning up on top :)

Yuck. Lazy bas... people: amazon.com/s/…

hichris123

@Izzy Heh. German?

Izzy

Yupp. Nothing I could do about that, and nobody asked me to agree #D

hichris123

23:07

@Izzy I want a translation! :P

Oh, that's why I have Chrome. :D

@Izzy So do you have English versions?

Izzy

@hichris123 Nope. Already hard enough to keep the German versions up-to-date (4th edition of the print variant coming out in March – that's 4 editions in ~ 2 years)

hichris123

@Izzy I'm curious what you say in it (I'm an Android dev and power user). :P

Braiam

I honestly didn't read or voted your question, I just went for the TL;dr version of @Gilles answer, forgot that you ever asked and voted the answer. Past experiences indicates that when your post is more than 2 paragraph long I will be left with the sentiment of "what the heck have just I read" since most of the time you describe a problem in a very roundabout way. I've sit down to read some lengthy post in the past because I have an idea that will be easily understood, yours sadly doesn't inspire me to read them. — Braiam 15 secs ago

was I too honest?

Gilles

@Braiam no

Braiam

mm, good, I don't want to be psycoanalized

Izzy

23:15

@hichris123 OK. Heard of "Google translate"? Yes? Check ebooks.qumran.org/Androidpitidenbuch for an alternative "CC-BY-NC-SA" variant, also "online HTML" to feed to Google Trans :)

hichris123

@Izzy Mm... don't I have to pay for it to put it in Google Translate. :P

Izzy

@hichris123 "Translate this page"? Not that I know. I'm just not sure concerning its length... :)

Gilles

23:35

@DanDascalescu If the question is indeed on topic on SR, then there would be no problem. However, I don't think most recommendation questions that get closed on SO/SF would be on topic on SR. The site may be very young, but the community already came up with a concrete set of rules on what questions they welcome (see: meta.softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/455). Most recommendation questions on SO/SF don't follow these rules. — Yannis 6 mins ago

@Yannis: Then what's the point of SR? To drive people to Quora? — Dan Dascalescu 4 mins ago

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