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12:01 AM
@MichaelHampton Means "do nothing", right?
 
@NathanC More or less. It means that if the previous command exited non-zero to ignore the exit value and not stop executing the script.
 
Ah. Useful
 
conversely, && will cause execution if the exit code is 0
"not stop executing the script" is a bit misleading though, it applies to a particular statement
false || echo "exit code not 0" ; true && echo "exit code 0"
 
I'm generally impressed with HP, but I think this server is possessed.
P222 SmartArray card was borked on arrival.
Now one of the drive caddies is showing a solid red failure light.
>:-[
 
@WesleyDavid you broke it
where did you buy this thing anyway?
 
12:09 AM
@Olipro I describe the end result, not the inner workings. Technically : just returns 0.
 
@ewwhite Reseller called CCB in Racine Wisconsin. Been using them for non-profit clients for about seven years or so.
They mostly deal with non profits in the US, so know the whole NPFT routine.
I use MicroAge here in Phoenix for regular businesses though.
 
@ewwhite I need HP blades
 
@JoelESalas Well, I'm the right guy.
 
@WesleyDavid Worked with them for a few years at $job[-2]
 
@ewwhite HP BladeSystem c7000 Enclosure G2
What's the beefiest compute-type blade we could stick in that
 
12:13 AM
@Adrian MicroAge or CCB?
 
@JoelESalas think about your needs... what's the application?
 
@WesleyDavid MA
 
@ewwhite Web + DB virtualization
 
@Adrian Yeah, my impression of them, at least the guy I have, is very favorable.
 
It's RAM-heavy
 
12:13 AM
CCB, not so much.
 
dammit. dislocated my left thumb =(
 
@Adrian How??
 
@Adrian ...and where have you been sticking your thumb with such force as to dislocate it hmmmmm?!?!?
 
@JoelESalas how much RAM?
what will you do for storage?
 
@ewwhite One meeeelion RAMs!!
 
12:14 AM
@ewwhite Is 192GB the max? Also NetApp over fiber for storage
 
@JoelESalas Picking up a full bucket with my thumb because i was carrying something else w/ my fingers =/
 
@JoelESalas Settle down there, Daddy Warbucks.
@Adrian That's just all kinda misinterpretable.
 
"I just fell onto the cucumber whilst on a ladder, decorating... naked"
OK, so why's it inside a condom?
 
@WesleyDavid i live but to serve...
 
GAHHHH I forgot how slow 7.2k SATA drives are. >_<
Let's sit back and watch as @Olipro recounts a typical Tuesday evening.
 
12:16 AM
@WesleyDavid yes. they are. even sata3 sucks
 
how dare you, only Tuesday?!?
 
@JoelESalas depends.
The most common is the BL460 Gen8 - it hosts 512GB
it's the basic 2-socket offering
 
@ewwhite We're going for consolidation above all else
It's this whole KVM/OpenStack pilot project
 
Oh, ugh...
not a fan :)
but you may be best with multiple 2-socket boxes
4-socket really aren't worth it today.
 
@JoelESalas Sooo, if I could butt in, have you looked at Cisco UCS systems? Four socket blades and the virtual networking etc. is pretty badass.
I know we have some UCS fanbois in the room.
 
12:20 AM
but if you need to, there's a BL680 G7... slower CPUs, moar RAM... 2TB RAM
 
@ewwhite You will be.
 
@MichaelHampton no, I've no real complaints with VMware.
 
@ewwhite I do: the PRICE TAG.
 
@JoelESalas this overbuilt thing... www8.hp.com/us/en/products/proliant-servers/…
@MichaelHampton the cost is worth it for the feature set... and my time is, too.
 
@ewwhite Might I bend your ear to discuss VMware's licensing pitfalls...
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12:21 AM
Going off of our Cloudstack experience... that's a wreck.
 
@WesleyDavid nope nope nope
 
@ewwhite Cloudstack isn't even a remotely related product.
 
@WesleyDavid we meter and bill the customer. We're a partner
@MichaelHampton it's a non-VMware cloud management stack... close enough :)
 
@JoelESalas Expensive as heckfire for sure. Also, EMC.
 
@ewwhite That may be a better option
@WesleyDavid We have one, it's not worth it
 
12:22 AM
Cisco, EMC, and VMware combine to make vBlocks in 2008. The world economy tanks shortly thereafter. COINCIDENCE?!
 
@ewwhite It's Xen, which I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. As for OpenStack... well, I suggest you get familiar with it, because Red Hat has VMware in their crosshairs and are saying things like 1/3 the cost.
 
Not the same feature set... people actually want VMware. They pay.
 
@ewwhite The feature set is comparable or better now, with Grizzly.
And if you really don't want it...well, you just send anybody interested in OpenStack to me. :)
 
@MichaelHampton :D
 
@JoelESalas is that enough info?
 
12:29 AM
@ewwhite It is, thank you. Should I have our infra manager email you?
 
@MichaelHampton Openstack seems neat
 
Yeah... sure... I can help spec, since there's a lot to it.
but our blade prices are LOW
-ish...
 
domain squatters should be hung by their balls.
 
@ewwhite off
 
@MDMarra Oh, that's weak.
 
12:41 AM
Why?
If people want my attention, they need catchy subjects!
@RyanRies weird things
 
@Yeah... but you're right... DHCP client still has some related code in it, but DNS Client service is the one that does it these days. Looks like it's just a couple calls to DNSAPI.dll anyway. Anyway, who is that guy that he gets to look at the Windows Server source code?
 
@MDMarra Fix MY active directory!
@MDMarra well?
 
@Adrian You want to torture domain squatters with big data?
 
@WesleyDavid No, I want to crush their balls. I figured that was pretty clear from the previous posting. =)
@WesleyDavid Speaking of pitfalls, the pitfalls of purchasing an Android phone more than 8 weeks after it's introduced. Nearly impossible to find accessories for them after about release date + 2 months .
 
@Adrian Tried eBay?
 
12:57 AM
That feeling when you're promoting a DC into a domain and it just sits there forever without completing :( :(
 
@MichaelHampton Yeah, trying to avoid it. But that looks like the best option at this point.
@WesleyDavid Project RubyThing is officially green-lighted. Domain name has been purchased and object modelling is proceeding.
 
@Adrian Yeah, I've wanted to like Android phones but they always seem to be too big, to chintzy or the OS is borky-borky. Which one did you get?
@Adrian confetti
@Adrian Sorry, the website www.rubything.com cannot be found LIES!!
 
@WesleyDavid Droid 4. I love phones with physical keyboards.
 
@Adrian AHH, YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE.
Hey now, caps lock.
I WILL NOW DO MY BRIAN BLESSED IMPERSONATION FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT.
SILENT NIGHT!! HOLY NIGHT!!!!
@Adrian Spifftastic.
Actually, forget B. Blessed, I'm going to go eat some chicken pot pie. Lots of it.
burbs
 
@WesleyDavid Yeah, I hate giving up 60% of my screen real estate to the on-screen keyboard when SSH'ing from my phone.
 
1:18 AM
@jscott You still kicking around?
 
@Adrian yeah, lost in Super Hexagon...
 
Oh new ride?
A modern one at that!
 
That's the scooter I bought. 800 miles on it since late April.
 
Does that say "automatic" on it?
 
1:19 AM
Aprilia Atlantic
200cc. Only imported for a year or two.
 
That looks pretty big, how does it handle on those 10"[?] wheels?
 
12", I think. Turns pretty sweet too. And has enough Go to get out of its own way up to about 50mph.
Quite a few Japanese cross-overs have been badly embarrased by a vehicle they though they could out-accelerate and cut off to make a left turn right after the intersection.
 
Sweet, I bet that thing kill for mpg compared to your other bike. I've been on an early 80s Vepsa P200E and a Baja which were just absolutely exhilarating/terrifying rides.
 
Yeah, I run about 65-75mpg.
 
!!!
 
1:23 AM
yeah, 200cc scoots are NOT supposed to be getting mileage that good. And oddly, they don't over in Europe. I don't know why mine gets such great mileage since it's not like I don't flog the living fsck out of it.
 
Windscreen/Fairings?
It looks pretty aero compared to naked.
 
Big screen on it. It's darn near the size of a barn door. Though it is pretty aero, at that.
 
Very cool, glad you're enjoying it. I'm still working to get my 2 year old son to differentiate scooters from motorcycles. Right now, to him, they're all motorcycles. Even some of those gas-engine-stand-on-scooter-things. We'll get it straightened out eventually. :)
 
@jscott Heh. My son differentiated dirtbikes from anything else that was two-wheeled. Going to try to get into an MSF dirt-school this summer if all his grades get into the B range.
 
@Adrian I didn't know MSF did dirt, will have to look into that in a few more years. I wasn't lucky enough to grow up on dirt bikes, but I'm sure your son would love the opportunity.
 
2:04 AM
Who was the ranch dressing lover here? Was is @JoelESalas or @MDMarra? I can't remember... something about ranch on tacos. Well this is far worse: ranch dressing soda
 
@ewwhite DETAILS! I can't fix what I can't log into
 
@Adrian B+ Trust me, it will come in handy later
 
WHARRGARBL
 
@Cole It says you have a mic?
 
@jscott I love ranch dressing
Yar I found it
 
2:16 AM
@Cole :)
 
I had two
 
I have 2 or 3
 
@Cole Let me know how that first ranch soda goes down.
 
I have the bluetooth or Xbox onw
I'm dangerous with a mic, I say fuck a lot
 
@Cole I've got 2 of those, one is around here somewhere, so I just bought alot
 
2:16 AM
@jscott I don't love it that much
 
@Cole ok?.. IDC
 
my cats all like "let me bite your legs"
because you have them, and that is the only reason why
 
@jscott Mexicans according to Joel
 
3:02 AM
@jscott and which way it comes up
 
3:15 AM
wat
 
3:29 AM
bites @ward's leg
 
@WesleyDavid Hey, if you don't want my 52cm...
 
wat'
 
$100!
Or, $525 (I'd talk them down a bit), you can show off w/ a tandem:
21" - hundred dolla!
 
@Ward Too small. 56cm is more to my liking.
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You people and your phallic obsession!
Freaking sausage fest in here.
5
 
4:07 AM
@Jacob headset died
 
@Cole lol
 
@Cole prob last game. Kinda tired
 
me too
 
@WesleyDavid You need a bike already.
2
 
4:16 AM
 
time fo sleeps
 
@Cole yep
 
Lots of good games tonight!
and some shit ones too :P
Night everryone
 
@Cole ZZZzzzz.... -.-
 
5:20 AM
G'day
 
5:40 AM
@Iain Wow, up early?
Do you get up at 6AM err'y day?
Filed under "What were you thinking the day you named this?" poopcode.com
I know what they were thinking! POOOOOOOOOPPP (Calling @MattBear)
 
@WesleyDavid Truth in advertising?
 
@MichaelHampton I should start a blog called ihavenoideawhatimdoinglol.com
 
I know what I'm doing, I'm going to bed.
 
@MichaelHampton ZZZzzz... -.-
 
@TomTom It's probably a phone.... — Michael Hampton 11 secs ago
 
 
2 hours later…
7:56 AM
morning
 
8:16 AM
 
8:36 AM
@MikeyB graphviz + python code.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:37 AM
@WesleyDavid wanted to get out for a spin before the weather closes in app.strava.com/activities/60426871
 
@voretaq7 - one cannot easily play dns tricks on bare domains (bare domain can't be CNAME to CDN for instance), so fuck the no-www crowd, www for life!
and yes, I know rfc 1912 :) we use DNS to to geographic loadbalancing within our experimentation framework. BGP anycast doesn't get close to the granularity we want without having pops OMGEVERYWHERE
 
Dan
11:16 AM
@pauska Was off yesterday, sorry. Had a wedding to plan and motorbikes to ride!
 
 
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1:26 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker Nice one. Java 4 Ever is still my favourite JavaZone trailer though :P
 
Ah morning. Glorious morning at that. A crisp little breeze and bright sunshine.
 
1:44 PM
I think we need a high load average canonical question.
 
1:56 PM
effing on-call rotation!!!
 
@ewwhite Tag, you're it!
We have a 24/7 on-call duty roster without rotation... Everybody is fair game all the time, but we get paid for each call
 
I don't mind emergency calls...
but I don't know how to fix this
Oh, it was a database issue...
 
@ewwhite It's always databases or network ;-)
 
2:18 PM
The failover database server rebooted.
figures
 
@MathiasR.Jessen Heh. I've been the only guy on 24/7 on-call. Interviewing with a shop right now where the one and only dude has been it for nearly a year now.
@ewwhite You got some wierdly shady stuff going on with those customers. =)
 
2:36 PM
 
@ewwhite you might like htop
 
@dawud I use nmon
 
@ewwhite seems to me nmon resembles AIX topas, if you ever used it
 
@dawud atop is pretty awesome too.
 
@dawud nmon is from ibm...
well, AIX
but it use the fsck out of it
 
2:41 PM
@Adrian yeah, topas is cool, do you use the network patch?
@ewwhite cool. ~95% CPU, a spike or normal activity?
 
it's pegged.
 
@dawud Not yet. We were using the stock Ubuntu (9.10) package.
 
and back...
 
that looks better
 
2:59 PM
I'm just going to leave this here: devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/53012973321/… #devops
 
oops
can y'all get to: globalpost.com
 
Morning.
@ewwhite yes I can
 
k.
 
4:04 PM
@gWaldo That is all sorts of awesome.
 
4:17 PM
Fsck me with a rubber mallet. Scout wants $800/month to monitor up to 100 servers. Sheesh.
And as near as I can tell, that's NOT hosted. that's just the licensing to run it on your own equipment.
 
4:38 PM
I really need to learn about 401K's
 
4:49 PM
@Adrian there are some enterprise-grade monitoring solutions that will only charge for support/consulting
 
@dawud i know. but that price really surprised me. the regular plans are $10-15 per server per month after a mere 16.
Bright sunny morning / Cat on lap / Breeze in the mulberry tree.
 
@Adrian That, sir, is not a haiku.
 
@MichaelHampton don't care. i like it.
and the coffee is half irish cream
 
Good answer.
 
So maybe someone can answer my this question, I had a 401K at a previous employer - it's been rolled in to a Roth IRA with Fidelity
 
4:57 PM
and the cat is warm and sedate (for once)
 
But is there any way to move that money into my current 401K? Or should I just leave it in the Roth IRA?
I can't access it from Fidelity.com, either.
 
@Cole depends on what its invested in
i need to wrap mine up. theyre all floating around from 2 old employers
 
100% Money Market
There's about $2300 in there, I mean it's not a lot but still
 
You're supposed to just tell the IRS you rolled it over, not actually roll it over!
BTW, this is not legal or tax advice...
 
Haha
I can't seem to find out how to access my money.
I'm assuming I may need to just call Fidelity
I've made a whopping 60 cents in 2 years
 
5:03 PM
@Cole Which means, of course, that you're losing money.
 
ouch. that's insane
 
Exactly, so I want to move it
 
0.03% return. Somebody should've been fired by now.
 
Urgh it says I can add it by registering - but I'm already registered!
They make this shit so difficult
 
Anybody want an Exchange question?
 
5:16 PM
I think I'd found my next project - the shed pub; readersheds.co.uk/share.cfm?SHARESHED=3038
 
5:34 PM
@Chopper3 That's brilliant
 
@JoelESalas yes, I want it NOW
 
DO WANT.
Debating on canceling my TV completely.
& just going Hulu + Netflix
All the shows I watch are on Hulu.
$16 is a lot cheaper than $100+
Anyone else cancel their TV completely?
 
5:59 PM
@Cole we don't have that kind of setup in the UK - we pay about £100 a year and get most of our TV for free, it pays for the BBC essentially, I think it's money well spent - but essentially you can't opt out - which Rupert Murdoch thinks is a travesty as he'd quite like to have that money instead - so he's been abusing his ownership of lots of TV & newspapers to attack the BBC for the last few years - twat
 
Doh
Thinking off dropping my internet down to 15/5 from 75/35
 
@Cole I haven't had TV in many years.
All the shows I watch are on BitTorrent.
 
lulz.
That too
@MichaelHampton how much do you pay for internet/what speed is it?
 
@MichaelHampton I work in TV (well build the bloody stuff), so get it for free anyway but I can see why you'd do that - most of what I watch is HBO/Showtime etc. anyway
 
6:03 PM
Does alright for you? I probably do not need 75/35
 
Yeah, it's usually fine. Sometimes I want more upload speed, but it's not pressing enough to make me upgrade.
 
Just trying to trim as much fat on my monthly bills
 
@Chopper3 Well, you also have that TV licence thing.
 
Going to tell my mom I cannot pay for her phone anymore, either
 
@MichaelHampton that's what I was discussing up there
 
6:05 PM
@Cole No TV, of course. Just internet.
 
@MichaelHampton and work reimburses me $50 worth so basically free if I can get it for that
 
@Cole It's probably cheaper for residential customers.
 
Work may be going BYOD so they'll reimburse me ~$50-$70 for my phone
 
Haha. YOUR work? That'll happen in 20 or 30 years...
 
They had all the heads of IT from around the world there last week to discuss it
and things like that.
 
6:07 PM
@Cole Now that would have been a meeting to see.
 
They want to move away from Blackberry - since the newer Blackberrys use Lotus Traveler and not BES.
@MichaelHampton unfortunately I was not a fly on the wall, I wish I had though.
 
@Cole I'm pretty lucky, [main client] pays for my home gigE, a separate 12Mbps ADSL link, two phones, free sky tv, my mobile/cell phone and all calls/data and two free TVs
 
:(
I've been very productive today.
I have to say, the Adderall has made a huge improvement in my ability to focus.
@MichaelHampton sadly, looks like it's cheaper to keep the TV
 
6:25 PM
@Iain Wow, your summer ever going to arrive?
@DennisKaarsemaker And tell me more about bare domain trickery.
 
@WesleyDavid there is none.
Unless you let your entire zone be handled by nameserver-doing-trickery
which is not the best idea...
 
Never, that when this question was appropriate; serverfault.com/q/516085/1435
 
@Chopper3 As more and more colleges start having fuller IT degree programs, this is just going to get worse.
 
@Chopper3 needs one more close vote..
 
Time to shower, and go drink
later!
 
6:34 PM
So I've got a RHEL 6.4 machine that has mode=1 NIc bonding working perfect. Same configuration on a RHEL 6.4 machine... no worky.
ears back
 
@WesleyDavid wat
 
@JoelESalas That's what I said.
Wait.
Dammit.
I just woke up.
One is CentOS 6.4 one is RHEL 6.4
 
@WesleyDavid that IS odd
oh and thanks for the close guys
 
@Chopper3 I'm probably going to make it my third ever SF question.
@Chopper3 It wasn't a time record, but it is Saturday.
 
@WesleyDavid Don't think I've asked many, more than three though - quite the ratio :)
 
6:41 PM
@Chopper3 You have Evan Anderson on one side, and you have @MarkHenderson (and perhaps @ewwhite) on the other.
I don't ask many questions on ServerFault. Buncha dickheads there.
 
@WesleyDavid is this a dream you had?
 
@WesleyDavid by same config, you mean exactly same files under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* ?
 
@Chopper3 I blame the liverwurst sandwhich I had before bed.
And @ewwhite descends on us all...
(Not another dream...)
 
@WesleyDavid Edd's a shark - never sleeps
 
SUPERMICRO SERVER ON FIRE!!!!
 
6:43 PM
I've only ever asked one question, and it didn't get an answer :(
 
I'm trying to get my HP vendor to courier new servers to our data center RIGHT NOW because client has had THREE supermicro failures in two days
 
@ewwhite Take pictures and Instagram that stuff.
@ewwhite You go with the lowest bidder...
 
@DennisKaarsemaker "Am I kawaii? uguu~ TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: "Kawaii" means cute."
 
@ewwhite shit - really?
 
It's NY, and I can get new boxes to the facility in a couple of hours.
my boss is stalling
 
6:45 PM
@ewwhite reboot him
 
@DennisKaarsemaker The only questions I've asked were closed as off topic two years later when we had a better idea of what SF should be.
@ewwhite Your boss sounds flaky.
 
@ewwhite He'd better be russian
 
he
naw
 
@JoelESalas "You ain't no Russian, so why are you Stallin'?" (Puts that in my rap battle notebook for if I decide to go all Eminem up in this bizniz)
 
6:53 PM
 
@Chopper3 What on earth is he even asking?
 
@WesleyDavid exactly
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Thoughts on Ruby as a web development language? (using RoR, Rack, Sinatra, etc.)
 
if we use the sandybridge HP's we have yet another unknown we have never deployed anything on them
 
6:57 PM
@ewwhite Sad face.
So he'd rather stick with servers that burst into flames? "At least we expect that failure!"
Holy cow, LinkedIn is a Sinatra app?
 
@ewwhite wat?!?!
 
@Chopper3 supermicro fans
 
@ewwhite what OS/s?
 
RHEL 6.4?
 
@ewwhite Ok, so that'll be the same HP servers Red Hat themselves use internally - those ones?
 
7:07 PM
@Chopper3 haha
yes, those servers :)
 
@ewwhite did you see my gaming PC pics? * proud father face *
 
link
 
posted them last night
love the comment on that shitty post
 
@WesleyDavid ruby is ugly and evil
for web development it's the new php, used by everyone who doesn't have a clue
 
@DennisKaarsemaker hiss
 
7:14 PM
@Adrian I agree, python is much better
 
@DennisKaarsemaker On the other hand, my girlfriend can read Ruby and have an inkling of what the F my code is doing.
@DennisKaarsemaker I keep forgetting that you've been away from keyboard in the EU Evenings lately. I've drunk the kool-aid and started to move over to Ruby.
 
@Adrian good thing we didn't hire you then :P
though when working with puppet, knowing ruby is a good thing
so, sadly I know more ruby than I want to.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker You guys not hiring was actually one of the thinks that convinced to go All-In and convert to Ruby.
 
how's the job hunt going?
 
@DennisKaarsemaker tolerably. There's a little Ruby startup that I just through the 2nd phone screen with and they're gonna bring me in. That last contract getting cut super-short after 5 months is killing me though. Places that were begging me to come in and interview last autumn won't return phone calls now.
 
7:20 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker the problem with Ruby is it's the best prototyping tool but the worst production tool - it would be like if car manufacturers tried to mass produce cars made out of that clay shit they use
 
@Chopper3 that's a pretty apt description. I hate the lack of care about backwards compatibility in the ruby ecosystem for instance.
and that's not just ruby itself, but pretty much everything built in ruby
including puppet
 
@DennisKaarsemaker why care about backwards compatibility when its objective is inherently short-term
 
@DennisKaarsemaker The sense I get from Ruby is that the data model is about the only thing that's remotely long-term with those projects.
And it could be worse. I could still be stuck doing PHP Development.
 
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