The Comms Room

Mark Henderson

00:05

Which reminds me - there's no actual difference between a "cat5" and a "cat6" patch panel, are there? Because they're actually "8P8C" patch panels and has nothing at all to do with the cabling behind it?

I was looking at a catalogue the other day and their "CAT6" patch panels were 50% more than their "Cat5e" patch panels

Whoah, who still has an ATA100 drive that still works?

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Q: Using an ATA-100 Hard Drive with a Thermaltake BlacX External Hard Drive Dock

Is it possible for a Thermaltake BlacX HDD Dock to connect to and recognize an ATA-100 Hard Drive? I know that the specifications for the BlacX say that it only supports SATA & SATAII, but I was hoping for one of three things: 1) for it to still work even though it isn't supported 2) for there...

Michael Hampton

00:20

@MarkHenderson I have an external USB IDE drive enclosure in my junkbox. But the drive is long gone.

Mark Henderson

00:33

@MichaelHampton I suspect it was ATA-133 anyway

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Same 40-pin interface, and forward and backward compatible.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton True. But the ATA100 part was what threw me. I suspect he just means PATA though

And ATA-133 was meant to use an 80-pin cable

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Yes, it does. It came in various speeds...

OH yeah, I saw a few of those cables. It was right before SATA.

You could use a 40-pin cable but the drive would just slow down.

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: I might

hmm, actually no, I just took apart my oldest hard drive, and it was a semi modern 40 gigger ;p

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Hah I remember my first SCSI drive. 40 pin, 4Gb, double-height

And as loud as fuck

I had two of them and my parents made me take them out because you could hear them throughout the entire house

Journeyman Geek

00:37

lol

Mark Henderson

(the fact that this was about 1999 and a 4Gb SCSI drive was shit is irrelevant)

Journeyman Geek

my parents never really were into computers (and I didn't really have the allowance to :/)

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek My Mum hated my hobbies, but she hated noise and mess even more

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

I once brought home a 42U rack and set it up in my bedroom. My Mum cracked the shits and made me sell it.

Journeyman Geek

00:38

@MarkHenderson: asian parents. they hate hobbies, period

Ironically I have some leeway cause they realise I have hardly any space of my own ;p

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Asian asian, or indian asian?

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: indian asian.

but same difference in this case

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Asian asian, if your hobby is university level theoretical physics I think they would approve

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Yeah, you sucked. I had a 9GB full height SCSI drive in 1999!

Mark Henderson

Or actuarial tables

Journeyman Geek

00:39

lol

@MarkHenderson: let me put it this way. I have my eyes on a mini lathe. ;p

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Oooohhhh

Stack Exchange

Standalone Sysadmin: Learning from other disciplines

posted on June 03, 2013 by Matt Simmons

I'm interested in the Ops Education movement, because I think that operations staff such as myself should be better than we currently are. We're slowly improving, but we're still using leeches when we should be examining our superstitions and encouraging the development of more scientific thinking and analysis. One of the groups I'm involved with [...]

Mark Henderson

I wish I had the ability to craft things. I've been watching Adam Savage (from mythbusters) on YouTube making things, like gun cases and models

I wish I had those skills

Journeyman Geek

you get skills by doing ;p

Mark Henderson

I'd be OK if I just worked with CnCs and 3D printers I think

Journeyman Geek

00:40

diresta is pretty fracking impressive

dude has no formal training (which means he does brilliant stuff no one else thinks of doing), out of anything that comes to hand

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Diresta?

Ah just foudn him on youtube

I haven't seen his videos

Journeyman Geek

Jimmy Diresta, he has a 'show' on youtube with make magazine.

blog.makezine.com/2013/05/31/diresta-split-log-benches

I think this is a good example

they're a good watch, they're fast (cause god knows we don't have time to watch people do things for a good half hour), but you get a feel for what he's doing

adam savage is just scary.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek I remember when Mythbusters first was on TV. It's actually an Australian show, just filmed in America with Americans, so they ran it here at the same time as the US. I was just flicking through channels and foudn these two weird guys checking if it's possible to be sucked out of a toilet on a jet airline

They went a bit stupid in the last few years, but the first years were awesome

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: beyond productions right?

same folks who did beyond 2000 ;p

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek They're the ones

In the early early episodes their aussie producer is seen and heard a bit too

Journeyman Geek

00:46

@MarkHenderson: I actually enjoy Adam's stuff on tested a lot more than I do mythbusters (which I think is one of the best shows on telly right now)

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Same

Journeyman Geek

(tho, I love duck dynasty, and I have no idea why)

so my taste is SLIGHTLY questionable

Jacob

HI EVERYBODY!

Journeyman Geek

If i EVER become an evil supervillan, I am bulk ordering these arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/…

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I have one of those

William Hilsum

01:17

Anyone here with Sonicwall/IPSEC VPN experience? I'm working at 2AM and about to go crazy... Just need a second opinion...

Michael Hampton

My second opinion: You're already crazy.

William Hilsum

I know :(

I'm trying to get a tunnel to push public ips and I am failing hard - I believe it is nat related, but, I just can''t figure out for sure or how to fix it

Michael Hampton

I don't know Sonicwall, sorry.

Though, I suggest constructing a good question for the main site :)

William Hilsum

so tunnel 1 is up, both sides can ping each other and stuff... tunnel 2 is local range again to a public ip subnet... I basically want anything to a few ips to originate from the other end of the tunnel - Anyone have a clue what to do?

@MichaelHampton I don't think it will be a good question at this time of night from me... but, I can't really leave site until this is up... exhausted Google... willing to do anything!

Michael Hampton

There aren't many people in chat... the main site has more :)

William Hilsum

01:23

@MichaelHampton hmm... found this - serverfault.com/questions/268867/… - basically the same thing...

but, no answer :( I'll ask anyway...

Mark Henderson

@WilliamHilsum Grah, I've had that problem with IPSEC tunnels before. I gave up.

William Hilsum

@MarkHenderson no no no! I don't want to hear that!!!

Mark Henderson

That... probably isn't what you wanted to hear

William Hilsum

lol

Mark Henderson

It should be simple though, right? At the router, add the public IP addresses into your IPSec policy

But NOoooooooo

William Hilsum

01:26

I have an Edgerouter in one site, a sonicwall in the other... willing to take any recommendations!

Mark Henderson

@WilliamHilsum Switch to PPTP so you can get a routable interface, then add some static routes

Wow really not helpful am I. I apologise.

William Hilsum

@MarkHenderson I have both tunnels established, including the public IP range... (so, requests to any of those ips just do not work/die at the gateway here)... I am certain that the problem is NAT at the other end - I just can't figure out how to enable NAT for VPN tunnels :/

Mark Henderson

@WilliamHilsum Oh, I see now

William Hilsum

@MarkHenderson Not sure PPTP would be any better? :/

Mark Henderson

Have you done a wireshark at the different points to see where the traffic is dying?

i.e. could it be asymmetric routing?

Coming in through the IPSec tunnel, but leaving the normal route

Michael Hampton

01:28

I think it's double m, not double s.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Bleh, I ignore firefox's squiggling because it always gives me american spellings

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Funny, Firefox always gives me non-American spellings.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton We should swap

Michael Hampton

It's like a six year old Firefox bug.

William Hilsum

@MarkHenderson nope - I just don't have the ability to really do that here, i've been here 3 days in a row and just don't want to leave until it is done now! it is a PPPoE internet connection to the end router... packet sniffer isn't really working well on the sonicwall... I can't really diagnose :(

as I said, I am going crazy!

Mark Henderson

01:32

@WilliamHilsum When I had assymetric issues, the giveaway for me was the firewall was dropping the ACKs from the TCP handshakes

William Hilsum

01:43

@MarkHenderson I am seeing dropped packets... I just don't know what to do next :(

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Q: How do I route a public IP range over an IPSEC VPN?

So, I have an established IPSec Site to Site tunnel. Site A has a SonicWall, Site B has a EdgeRouter. The first tunnel consists of Site A's NATed ips to Site B's NATed ips. Everything works as expected. Next, I have a public IP range that Site B needs to access, but, requests need to look lik...

vpn nat ipsec sonicwall

Mark Henderson

@WilliamHilsum Does it tell you why it's being dropped?

William Hilsum

@MarkHenderson Nope

Mark Henderson

Spoofed IP/Invalid sequence/etc?

Damn

That's all pretty key information

William Hilsum

To be honest, I don't really know where to look

tried looking in the log, but quite vague... and, it is production with traffic going over it, so, I need to filter.. not sure to use source as the IKE tunnel's ip, my machine's ip or other... (well tried both of these along with others, and haven't really got anywhere).

So many people do this sort of thing... I can't understand why there aren't any (easy to find) articles

Can't do a bounty for 2 days... 3AM, I am not really fit to drive/next to no sleep for days... think I am going to have a nap in the car and hope there is an answer when I wake up.... so annoyed :( I hope someone can answer!

Mark Henderson

01:59

@WilliamHilsum good luck

William Hilsum

thanks

what are the bets that this doesn't get a single answer!?

Chris S

Holy heck - Game of Thrones was.... intense this week. I'm glad I've avoided spoilers so far... Going to have to keep it that way for the remainder of the series I guess.

ewwhite

02:20

@ChrisS Shhhhh! I'm just starting it.

Who wants a stab at a question my client just asked?

Chris S

@ewwhite Mark doesn't get it until Wednesday. So don't say anything.

ewwhite

"Edmund - is there a best practice or any ideas you have on how we can recover if our Cisco (ASA 5505) Firewall goes down? Any way to have a firewall VM directly connected to the Internet and powered down that could be started if anything happens to our Cisco firewall?"

Michael Hampton

I think we call that a "spare".

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ewwhite

I've never had one fail.

And really, we're 10 miles from CDW's main warehouse... Within same-day courier distance...

Is it rude to just say, "don't worry about it"?

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Get a second 5505 and set 'em up clustered?

Michael Hampton

02:24

As long as you say "I've never seen one fail, and if it does, the warehouse is 10 minutes away." as well

MikeyB

@ewwhite Yeah, best practice is to buy another firewall as standby. NEXT! Oh, and ^ that is good too :)

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden I've clustered 5510's and above... but I really never need to.

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Sure, but if they're paranoid about it, can't really hurt

Chris S

@ShaneMadden Can you do that with the 5505?

ewwhite

Yes... Active/Standby

Shane Madden

02:26

@ChrisS Pretty sure you can, just needs one of the more expensive licenses

ewwhite

WIth a Security Plus license... which I just applied to this unit

Chris S

Also, with the number of clients you have on 5505s, why don't you have one just sitting around?

ewwhite

@ChrisS I do. My cabinet is 10 feet away from this client's... in the same colo.

Chris S

Ah - sounds like nothing to worry about realistically.

Also, I've never seen one fail.

Though the power brick gets warm enough that I've worried about it.

ewwhite

The clustering could be complicated, though. I already have two handoffs in HSRP from the provider... goes to the main switch. Then from switch to ASA... then ASA to the switch on another vlan.

Shane Madden

02:30

We had some 5505s fail at my old job where we had like 300 of the damn things.

Not too many though.

ewwhite

I'd be afraid of failure of any other number of components before getting to the firewall...

Michael Hampton

02:48

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A: CloudFlare CDN and static site with root on Amazon S3

When your email stops coming in tomorrow, you'll know that it wasn't safe to ignore this warning. The CNAME replaces all other resource records, so it overrides the SOA record, MX records and any other records you might have defined for the zone. That's why it's strongly recommended against. (An...

I'm really tired of answering this question.

ewwhite

Not sure I understand.

tl:dr

Michael Hampton

You can't make the zone apex a CNAME, what to do about it?

Don't we already have a canonical question or two for this?

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Thankyou for the thought :)

Shane Madden

@MichaelHampton I keep getting the occasional vote for the heroku one

Chris S

I'm mad there's only one episode left this season... it's gone too quick

Michael Hampton

02:51

@ShaneMadden I have it linked from yes-www.org

Shane Madden

@ChrisS I just finished season 1 - sounds like it stays good?

@MichaelHampton Aha!

Michael Hampton

MARKING FUCKDOWN DEVELOPERS

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Chris S

@ShaneMadden I love and hate the story... In honest it's a bit more politics and "human nature" than I really prefer in a fantasy story, but I'm also more than a bit annoyed by the constant stream of plot holes in Tolkien(-style) stories.

Michael Hampton

That question had a funny in it, too: "Does anyone here speak Enterprise?"

Jacob

American healthcare. Way to fail :(

Chris S

02:56

Don't get me started on my visit to ER last month that resulted in 2.5 hours of poking and prodding only to end in "you'll be fine, get out, here's your bill"

Jacob

@ChrisS You see I'm going to university in West Virginia, and my insurance provider doesn't operate in WV. Therefore for any care I'd have to drive ~70 miles back into VA. I can't get my own coverage due to preexisting illness BS.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS YOUR HEALTH SYSTEM SUCKS

We might have shitty internet, poor connectivity, extortionist prices, but at least we can go to do any doctor anywhere in the country, or any hospital anywhere in the country and either medicare or my health insurance will cover it

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Yep. I know.

@MarkHenderson My insurance will pickup everything, but my jaw still hurts from it hitting the floor after seeing the price.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Oh yeah, I once asked the hospital for a peek at what they were billing the insurance company; it was $500/night just for a bed, plus every single drug that was used was billed at full price, TV was $50/day, every minute of every non-nursing staff was on there

We had to pay I think a $300 excess, plus our anesthetists bill because they charge above what the insurance covers (they all do)

Chris S

03:15

"It should have been called 'Barrow Ship'" lol --> youtu.be/1kmatKUBBck

Jacob

@ChrisS I love that channel '

Chris S

@Jacob Yeah - one of my favorites

Jacob

►

Chris S

@Jacob There's a few "sins" that really shouldn't be in there... Like that last one about coming aboard.

Jacob

@ChrisS Yeah, or the blow all the things up one

ewwhite

06:27

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Q: Presented LUN displaying 3 disks after fdisk -l

All, I appreciate in advance any useful responses to the following: One (1) 800GB LUN from external SAN was presented to 4 RHL servers (2.6.9-78.0.8 x86_64) Initial < fdisk -l > before reboot indicated no disk with < doesn't contain a valid partition table > After reboot, < fdisk -l > displays...

linux lun

Hard to follow.

(but I'm just dense)

Jenny D

07:23

Morning

Michael Hampton

It is?

Jenny D

@MichaelHampton Yes. Unfortunately.

Michael Hampton

Oh, worse, it's Monday morning.

It's 3 am on Monday morning and and I'm already at work!

Jenny D

It's 9 am here, but I still don't want to be at work.

Zurechtweiser

hey

Jenny D

07:33

Hello

Iain

G'day

Jenny D

Hey Iain

Iain

How's it going ?

Jenny D

dyho01@serenity:~> bin/behappy.pl
Be happy! Only 27 days left at this sorry job!

is how it's going...

How are you?

Zurechtweiser

I am awesome.

I love my job.

Iain are you from australia?

Jenny D

07:47

@Zurechtweiser That sounds nice. I'm hoping to get that at my next job.

Iain

@JennyD I'm good - it looks like Summer started yesterday and will continue for the rest of the week at least. I haven't ridden a horse in just over a week due to school holidays (the yard is way too busy) and and other commitments but I'll remedy that tomorrow

Zurechtweiser

@JennyD You won't. I love my job because I am self-employed.

Jenny D

@Zurechtweiser Gee, thanks... You are aware that you have no idea what my next work is, right?

@Iain My horse got moved to the summer pasture Saturday. He was surprisingly well-behaved yesterday anyway, though.

Zurechtweiser

@JennyD I don't need to know what your next job will be, as long as you are not self employed you will never be happy.

Jenny D

@Zurechtweiser Yes, cause everybody is just like you and your way of life is the only true one.

Zurechtweiser

07:50

@JennyD That's how it is.

Jenny D

I love the Hide user option.

Zurechtweiser

@JennyD Listen only to me if you want to have a better life. If you don't, use the hide user option.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JennyD ooh, counting down properly now

@MichaelHampton who did you piss off?

Jenny D

@DennisKaarsemaker It still includes holidays and weekends, because I couldn't be bothered to find a perl module containing Swedish holidays.

Michael Hampton

@DennisKaarsemaker The owner of the VPS hosting provider.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

07:53

@JennyD sweden has holidays in june? Lucky you.

also Date::Calc should have it :)

Jenny D

Yes, national day on June 6th and Midsummer eve on 21st

@DennisKaarsemaker I still can't be bothered :-)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

hehe

tombull89

It's remarkably sunny here today - I just hope it lasts.

Michael Hampton

It'll last until it rains again.

Zurechtweiser

Guys, what does make life worth living for you?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

07:59

@Zurechtweiser sex, food and alcohol

Zurechtweiser

@DennisKaarsemaker I agree but that's pretty generic. Do you have higher ideals, too?

Jenny D

It's lovely weather here

temperatur.nu/stockholm.html

Dan

Morning all

Michael Hampton

Dan

@JennyD It's finally sunny here - had an awesome ride on the bike yesterday

tombull89

08:02

@Zurechtweiser you do realise this is ServerFault, not psychology.se?

Jenny D

@Dan sounds lovely! I had a lovely time out playing with my horse yesterday.

Michael Hampton

I love being able to pick that up and slam it into someone's head at high velocity, who desperately needs it.

Dan

@JennyD I imagine - nothing like getting outside is there?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Zurechtweiser not on monday morning

Iain

@MichaelHampton isn't 3am EST towards the end of your normal working day ?

Jenny D

08:04

@Dan Especially getting out into the actual countryside, with fields and forests...

Michael Hampton

@Iain Yes, I'm about done. And it's 4am here.

Zurechtweiser

@tombull89 This is the right place for this question.

@DennisKaarsemaker I understand.

Chopper3

Here's a little quiz for you all - what am I doing right now? Hints: it's legal and I've not done it for a while.

2

Jenny D

@Chopper3 Chatting?

Zurechtweiser

@Chopper3 I like this quiz. You are drinking coffee.

Chopper3

08:07

@JennyD nope, good try

tombull89

@Chopper3 Well...has your motherboard turned up yet?

Chopper3

@Zurechtweiser no, more of a tea man anyway

@tombull89 sadly not

Jenny D

@Chopper3 Then who is using your account here? looks suspicious

tombull89

Ah my guess would be "building your computer" but that's my guess out the window.

Chopper3

@JennyD I've not done it until for a while was the main clue

@tombull89 nope, but on the right lines

Zurechtweiser

08:08

@Chopper3 You are drinking tea and you are watching your screen.

Michael Hampton

Um, growing a beard?

Dan

@Chopper3 Working?

Chopper3

@Dan CORRECT! back to work today, first time since 27th September

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Dan

@Chopper3 About time, you lazy fuck

Jenny D

@Chopper3 Congratulations?

Zurechtweiser

08:09

@Chopper3 That was too easy. Some offer something more challenging.

Someone offer something more challenging.

Chopper3

@Dan :)

@Zurechtweiser You probably don't know that I've been off for 8 months with cancer

Dan

@Chopper3 Seriously though, congrats. I presume you're settling in gently?

Chopper3

@Dan very much so, I'd have had a stroke by lunchtime if I didn't :)

Jenny D

@Chopper3 I'm so very glad you're well enough to be back!

Chopper3

@JennyD Me too, genuinely never thought I'd see today

Jenny D

08:12

@Chopper3 The miracle of modern medicine...

Dan

@JennyD It's almost like science has a clue

tombull89

@Chopper3 Have you got a proper gaming keyboard for your machine? My basic Logitech no longer cuts it (plus being wireless it can drop out at bad moments).

Chopper3

@tombull89 No, just an MS wireless (not bluetooth, eats batteries too much) one

Jenny D

@Dan Indeed. I have so many friends who would not have survived their illnesses just 50 years ago...

Chopper3

@JennyD my wife's mum (who I never met) died about 30 years ago of exactly the same type of breast cancer I had

Jenny D

08:18

@Chopper3 My husband's mum has some sort of abdominal cancer that is recurring, so every 2-3 years or so she needs a new round of chemo. 50 years ago that would not have been possible at all.

Chopper3

@JennyD no, still hellish though

Jenny D

@Chopper3 Yes, it's hard on her.

My mum's husband has kidney failure. He has a dialysis set at home that he can even bring when travelling. Again, wouldn't have been possible a few decades ago...

Dan

08:39

Has anyone got / used / seen anything like this:

http://www.greenfingers.com/superstore/product.asp?dept_id=200746&pf_id=LT0936D

Fancy something for the garden

Jenny D

@Dan We've got a fire thingie but it doesn't look like that...

tombull89

@Dan My dad wants to get a ceramic one but mum won't let him because she know he'll stick all sorts of stuff into it and trying to make a blast furnace sort of thing.

Dan

@tombull89 Haha

Jenny D

08:54

@tombull89 You say that like it's a bad thing

tombull89

@JennyD nah...I'd probably join in.

Dan

09:06

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22717245

Things like that really anger me

Jenny D

@Dan AOL

that and anti-vaxxers

Dan

@JennyD AOL?

tombull89

click. Goodbye!

Jenny D

@Dan Me too

From back in the day when AOL first got millions of noobs online to Usenet, and they would quote an entire usenet post just to add "me too" at the end of the post.

Also known as the beginning of the eternal september.

Dan

Ah, not heard that one before

Jenny D

09:11

Young people of today, what do they teach them in school these days :-)

3

Dan

Haah

Jenny D

hey, I'm 15 years older than you, I'm allowed to shake my cane at you and yell to get off my lawn :-)

Dan

Very true

Grandma.

Jenny D

@Dan When I were a lass, we didn't have any of these newfangled switches and thingies. We had to make our own ones and zeroes by knocking stones together and carry them in a bit bucket to and from the router!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JennyD heh, usenet. Pretty irrelevant these days...

Sadly.

Iain

09:16

@JennyD <AOL>me too</AOL>

Jenny D

@DennisKaarsemaker Unfortunately, yes. I've still got a server but it's mainly for a private hierarchy with maybe 100 users world wide...

But I have to say that Usenet changed my life for the better. All the people I got to know via newsgroups, including two exes and my husband...

Dan

@JennyD That doesn't sound like good statistics ;)

Jenny D

@Dan One of the exes was a bit of a jerk and I'm well rid of him. The other is still a very good friend.

And there are so many other friends that I met there, some of whom I've actually met in the 3D-world too

Dan

@JennyD I was just being facetious!

Jenny D

@Dan I was being nostalgic :-)

I kind of miss those days

dawud

09:30

morning

Jenny D

morning

Dan

Hey

tombull89

modbook.com/modbookpro

o.O

Dan

Seen that before, shockingly expensive from what I recall

tombull89

@Dan "shocking expensive" is pretty much it, yes.

Dan

09:35

Right, brew time

Dan

09:47

Thought I'd take the chance to catch up on personal admin and Facebook message a few people to pass on a cuople of messages. Turns out all 5 people were sat on Facebook and are now trying to engage me in a proper chat - this is the drawback of messengers blurring the lines of SMS/E-mail

tombull89

@Dan Yes, I've had that - it might be an idea to turn chat off.

ANother one may be set up email notification of new messages, so you can use reply-via-email and they don't get the "seen at 00:00" message when you've read the email.

Dan

@tombull89 Yeah, that's the biggest load of wank

tombull89

Kim Jong-Un, Democratic People's Republic of Korea

1.4k 1 10

windows-7 windows windows-8 windows-xp microsoft-outlook-2010 pst display

lolz

Dan

Very nearly spat my tea out then, in the very literal sense

Have you clicked his profile?

tombull89

@Dan yup :D

Dennis Kaarsemaker

09:54

Can't help but read it in the kim jong-il voice from team america world police :)

tombull89

I'm so...ronery

Dennis Kaarsemaker

herrooo

tombull89

1

Q: Getting internet to a protest

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, but it's been in the back of my head for a while. I am in Turkey, where there are thousands of protestors gathering in the street against the government. There have been reports that the internet has been cut off in the center of my m...

wireless-networking internet tor

That's an interesting one.

Dan

The activist in me would love to have a go at doing something like that, but I need my clean(ish) CRB

Jenny D

10:10

@tombull89 Very. I'm thinking satellites rather than ordinary mobile phone data traffic - it'd give you latency but be much harder for the regime to block

pauska

10:36

A single enterprise AP with external antennas can usually hold up to 150 clients

Tom O'Connor

@Dan It wouldn't affect your CRB record. CRB checks aren't performed on corpses.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Excellent point, well made.

pauska

Let's say that 20% of the people in the streets are using the net.. you'd still need a ton of gear

Dan

@pauska Portable cell tower!

Tom O'Connor

@JennyD Also, the bandwidth blows, unless you've got $LOTSANDLOTSANDLOTS

Dan

10:38

@TomO'Connor Satellite isn't as bad as it used to be, actually

Upstream is still the major issue, though

tombull89

I thought sattelite was fast but high ping?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@VOT99 If internet blackout in #Turkey: Dial Up internet access by #XS4ALL a Dutch ISP: +31205350535 user/pass: xs4all #occupygezi #gezipark

Tweeted by Erik_vd_Veen on June 2, 2013 at 12:11 AM

another option if phones still work

Tom O'Connor

@Dan This is relevant blog.emfcamp.org/post/27143646219/…

Dan

Discreet

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Acoustic Coupler and a pay phone.

Dan

10:41

@TomO'Connor So, are we concluding that modern day activism is like 1980's phreaking

^^Activists in Turkey work to give Twitter access to thousands of protesters

Jenny D

@tombull89 Yes, that's what I meant by latency.

tombull89

@TomO'Connor I think the government might notice if you start putting 30m masts up around the park...

You wouldn't want to get on the wrong end of a water cannon

brb installing CS5 on a clean machine image. Wake me up when it's done.

Dan

@tombull89 See you on Thursday

Nathan C

11:22

Oh my...the "new" server apparently started in read-only mode when I restarted it yesterday. That'd be why it wasn't working. -_-

Tom O'Connor

11:34

@Dan I make things like this for fun, out of old calor gas bottles and scrap steel.

Old reply is old.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Yeah, while I'm happy to break out the MIG and the angle grinder I think the Mrs wants something a little fancier :D

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Don't get a clay one. They don't stand a british winter.

Cast iron ones crack if they get bumped.

Dan

@TomO'Connor That's not major, I can put it in the garage during winter

Tom O'Connor

the only problem with that one you found is it has 4 open sides.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Yeah, that's a good point - smokey

Tom O'Connor

11:41

so it'll burn quickly.

you want lots of holes at the bottom, but a considerable amount (thickness, and surface area) of steel for radiant heat.

my calor bottle ones can quite easily get to red hot after an hour or 2 of coalite and wood loading.

the whole bottom bit red hot.

Dan

I imagine the cast iron ones are pretty good in that sense, then, though I'm unsure on the aesthetics

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: if I was hiding a satillite uplink, illegally, I'd disguise it as an unmarked police vehicle ;p

Dan

@JourneymanGeek Sounds like a great plan during public disorder.... ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: actually I know the PERFECT vehicle, but I have no idea where I'd get a police riot truck ;p

Travis

@JourneymanGeek From da police! Duhhh

Dan

11:48

@JourneymanGeek You need a jankel

Journeyman Geek

blah

Dan

Journeyman Geek

Dan

@JourneymanGeek Well done, you've found my zombie apocalypse mobile HQ

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: I've seen these remarkably often

apparently the police park these outside a major bar district on weekends ;p

If I had to deal with zombies...

►

(miltary propaganda youtube channel ;p)

Dan

11:54

Haha

Jenny D

Our police just have a regular camper thingie that they use around the city on weekend nights... polisen.se/Om-polisen/lan/St/op/Polisen-i-Stockholms-lan/…

Journeyman Geek

@JennyD: eh, the security situation here is funny

we have no actual threats (other than the odd terrorists)

we certainly don't have racial riots.

Jenny D

yeah, different places have different needs

Journeyman Geek

but its useful for TPTB to assume that it will ;p

@JennyD: you could go for a weekend in the countryside with one of those ;p

Jenny D

@JourneymanGeek Umm, neither do we. We have had some riots that right-wingers want to call racial, though.

Journeyman Geek

11:58

@JennyD: we had a PARTICULARLY nasty one in the 70s

1964 race riots in Singapore

The 1964 race riots were a series of riots that took place in Singapore during two separate periods in July and September between Chinese and Malay groups. The first incident occurred on 21 July during a Malay procession marking the Birthday of Islamic prophet Muhammad. In total, the violence killed 36 people and injured another 556. About 3,000 people were arrested. At that time (1963-1965), Singapore was a state in the Federation of Malaysia. July riots On 21 July 1964, about 25,000 Malays gathered at the Padang, Singapore to celebrate Muhammad's birthday. 212 Muslim organisations par...

ok, 60s

way before my time

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