The Comms Room

Scott Pack

00:01

Can anyone tell me whether TP-Link is actually worthwhile kit?

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack Its consumer gear comes from the same factory as D-Link

In fact, I have a D-Link switcn and a TP-Link switch, and they are identical except they have different logos on the box and in the admin console

I don't know about their "enterprise" gear, but I don't trust a fully managed 24-port gigabit switch that costs $500

Scott Pack

@MarkHenderson My WAP54G is starting to act flakey and the TL-WA801ND looked like a cost effective solution.

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack Not familiar with their wireless gear I'm afraid

Scott Pack

Enterprise networking? What are you talking about? This isn't the NetworkEngineering.SE chat!

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack No but if I do an 802.1q-in-q can I go there then?

Scott Pack

00:06

@MarkHenderson Sounds rather...sensual.

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack Yo I heard you like vlans so I put a vlan in your vlan so you can vlan while you vlan!

Scott Pack

That reminds me. I need to go cook up a memegenerator picture.

Jeff Ferland

Honestly, Thunderbird on Ubuntu is very broken and I'm very angry.

Scott Pack

I have a standing rule that any answer I provide on IT Security in pci-dss requires something from memegenerator.

Shane Madden

security.stackexchange.com/search?q=user:618+[pci-dss]

You missed one: security.stackexchange.com/questions/35922/…

Scott Pack

00:10

Yeah, that's the one I need to cook up.

It was getting too late in the afternoon so I decided to caption it later.

Adrian

@JeffFerland Yes. The memory footprint for Tbird and FF under 12.04LTS vs. 9.10 was roughly 4-6x.

Jeff Ferland

I've reached the point where I'm just yelling angrily at my computer.

Mark Henderson

@Adrian Just do what Windows people do and put 48Gb of RAM in your computer just so you can have Outlook and Word running at the same time

Jeff Ferland

"Thunderbird failed to find the settings for your email account"... and the "Done" button is grayed out. So is the Advanced Config button

I JUST WANT YOU TO USE WHAT I TYPED. WHAT THE FUCK.

Adrian

@JeffFerland I was running into problems with 4 users on a test server that had worked great for 12 concurrent users under 9.10.

Scott Pack

00:14

@JeffFerland Have you tried turning it off and on again?

Adrian

@MarkHenderson yeah, these were terminal services boxes. We started at 32G, but usually that was envisioned to be for 25 concurrent users.

FF and Tbird both leaked memory so goddam fast that it was simply criminal.

There are ZERO circumstances where Tbird should be taking up 2GB RAM.

But no, it's gotta keep its goddam internal browser resident in memory in case you might want to use it....

Shane Madden

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland Is the network plugged in?

Jeff Ferland

@ScottPack In the most uninformative way, you can't leave the port set to "auto"

"Google Candidate Survey: Tell us what you think!" Hmm... passing two phone screens to be told I lack technical depth... let me tell you what I think...

Scott Pack

I've gotten pretty annoyed with how "helpful" mail clients try to be these days.

Tell them you're glad they passed you over because Oracle was clearly a more accommodating and caring culture to work in.

@ShaneMadden I'm not real happy with it, but opinion? cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37830785.jpg

Shane Madden

00:21

@ScottPack That definitely works.

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden Better? cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37830837.jpg

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Hahaha, yes. Better.

Scott Pack

Yeah, it feels better.

Joel E Salas

00:44

My beard is weakening, how do I puppetize LDAP ;_;

Zoredache

what aspects of ldap? Setting up a server, adding records, setting up clients, ...?

Shane Madden

package { 'openldap': ensure=> installed }?

Joel E Salas

01:01

@Zoredache I just need to be sure that adding an LDAP master is mostly painless

Peter Grace

sup gents

(and ladies, should any present themselves)

Scott Pack

01:16

Heyo

Shane Madden

@PeterGrace How are you liking this here city?

Peter Grace

@ShaneMadden It's very hip.

jscott

Is The Park Tavern still doing BOGO drinks? I also seem to have hazy memories of the Lion's Liar being fun as well.

Peter Grace

I dunno, George and I were gonna hit up Capital Grill for a really good steak

Zypher

01:32

@jscott i shall explore and let you know after dinner

FOR SCIENCE

jscott

@Zypher Excellent, carry on fellow scientist. Mind you, I've not been to Denver in over a decade. Just did quick google of the places I could remember for drinks and LL/Park appear to both still be open for business.

Shane Madden

01:55

Success! Got the vCenter linked mode (and requisite SSO multi-site) installs completely puppetized.

Joel E Salas

@ShaneMadden bro-5

ewwhite

Really?

Congrats.

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Heh, thanks!

I'd totally put this on the puppet forge if it weren't so damn hacky. The main vCenter install won't work under the system account, and profile-driven storage won't install if the service account user isn't actually logged in.. so for that, I've got puppet building a scheduled task - you need to log in as the service account user and run it :(

ewwhite

But really. Why did this NEED to be puppetized?

Peter Grace

BECAUSE

:) ok, steak time

Shane Madden

02:07

@ewwhite Because I thought it'd be less time than the manual pain-in-the-ass install of all 6 component installs would be by hand. I was wrong. But now I sunk the time into it, might as well.

@PeterGrace Enjoy the steaks! See you guys around quitting time tomorrow.

Cole

02:46

hola

Mark Henderson

@Cole Holla back

Cole

I'M DRUNK BITCHES

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Journeyman Geek

I had one of those days when I learnt something I thought was true was not ;p

Cole

@JourneymanGeek what was it?

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek Average length really isn't 3 inches, eh?

Journeyman Geek

02:49

that the canadian national anthem isn't the maple leaf

Shane Madden

@Cole How's this altitude treating you?

Cole

wat

@ShaneMadden actually water + Excedrin Migraine - I seem to be okay

Shane Madden

@Cole Clearly you haven't had enough to drink, then.

Cole

We went to the Yard House

Shane Madden

@Cole Oh nice!

Cole

02:51

Yeah we have one back home that's much smaller

I'm definitely way sleepy

Mark Henderson

@Cole Then uh, go to bed

Cole

I'm in bed!

it's only 20:53 though lol but my body is like "it's really 22:53 bro"

Mark Henderson

My wife does that. She gets up "I'm so tiiiired" me: "Well, instead of watching rubbish TV until 1am how about you try going to bed at a reasonable hour?" Her: "no"

Scott Pack

That's because it is.

Joel E Salas

@Cole You're a small dude, do you get drunk super-easily

Cole

02:55

@JoelESalas nope

I drink a lot

Shane Madden

@JoelESalas Plus he's 5000ish feet above his normal elevation.

Cole

And I drink IPAs and Pale Ale's

Joel E Salas

@ShaneMadden How does that affect inebriation

MikeyB

@Adrian It's going to catch on fire.

Shane Madden

@JoelESalas Blood oxygenation. If you aren't acclimated to higher altitudes, alcohol has a much greater effect.

Scott Pack

02:58

That's what the bottle of roofies said too.

Cole

2 to 3 times the normal effect

I believe

So I drank 3 IPAs, 7.2% Alcohol

20oz

So I drank 3 IPAs, 7.2% Alcohol

so that's like 6 to 9 beers back home.

MDMarra

Next time someone asks about high-performance storage needs and wants to run them on 7.2k disks, link them to this

Mark Henderson

@MDMarra Wow way to go Dell! They saw an un-needed niche in the market and nailed it!

Scott Pack

woah

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A: Send encrypted mail using GPG by command-line?

I was able to incorporate pgp into outlook 2007 using a combination of vbs and bat all together. It is a self contained folder. However, I was using pgp 6.5.8 to do this. The only issue with this process was it had extra space at the end of the CRLF. My work around was to attach the encrypted fil...

Cole

@MDMarra I saw that on Reddit earlier lol

I'm sadly very close to being sober now :( SAD.

Andrew

03:02

@MDMarra I'm curious what actually spins

@ScottPack gnupg.org/related_software/frontends.en.html

MDMarra

@Andrew their sales people's heads, apparently.

Ok, off to bed.

Scott Pack

@Andrew The counter at the end of the quote.

@Andrew I was not expressing giddy amazement with that woah.

Cole

annddd sober.

Fml

Andrew

@ScottPack there are existing ways of doing what they want, and they're not using them.

Scott Pack

@Andrew Exactly.

Andrew

03:06

screw it, I'll add it as an answer. then we can bulk-downvote the fool.

Scott Pack

Not only did person not use pre-existing solutions but they hacked it using a combination of bat and VB.

Because, if there's one thing that's worth hacking together with bubble gum and prayer, it's GPG.

Andrew

@ScottPack I used to compile custom GPG builds from MinGW that re-added some dodgy algorithm :P

hahahaha...

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Q: Is there a standard place to install software that doesn't follow the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard?

Let's say I'm building and installing some third-party software called foo. I want headers in /usr/local/include/foo, shareable read-only data in /usr/local/share/foo, and so on. But let's say foo insists on being difficult and wants me to pick a directory PREFIX and install stuff in ${PREFIX}/in...

This is largely
1. distribution specific
2. up to you
3. why package management systems exist

Journeyman Geek

03:55

if you don't follow the FHS, its no longer standard ;p

and I think it usually goes under /opt

Iain

06:42

G'day

Andrew

0

Q: peer-based distributed file sharing on windows xp/7 local network

In my office, i currently manage 10+ windows xp/7 computers, each having ~500gb space (with 20-30% space usage on average). I am interested in utilizing those "extra" space to build some kind of "cloud" of storage on my local network, where each computer stand as equal peer (since i have none of ...

windows network-share lan cloud distributed

pauska

06:57

@Andrew :(

Andrew

bittorrent sync / dropbox / don't ask us...

Jenny D

07:23

Morning

Dan

07:43

Chocolate biscuits and a Costa caramel latté to start the day! Good morning

Jenny D

Gief!

except no caramel in the latte, please.

Dan

@JennyD Well, I do have a large one here waiting for when my colleague gets in

Jenny D

Coffee Transport Protocol. ISAGN.

Dan

@JennyD I had to Google ISAGN :( But yes, somebody needs to develop this

Hennes

@MDMarra I am tempted to call them and ask how they keep the power and data connectors in place while they spin the SSD at 7200 RPM.

Jenny D

07:48

I've actually already had my half liter of morning coffee, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

Hennes

Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol

The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP) is a facetious communications protocol for controlling, monitoring, and diagnosing coffee pots. It is specified in RFC 2324, published on 1 April 1998 as an April Fools' Day RFC, as part of an April Fools prank. Protocol RFC 2324 was written by Larry Masinter, who describes it as a satire, saying "This has a serious purpose – it identifies many of the ways in which HTTP has been extended inappropriately." The wording of the protocol made it clear that it wasn't entirely serious; noting, for example, that "there is a strong, dark, ...

Jenny D

@Hennes So now it's just a SMOP...

Hennes

Hmm, I should check if my web server still implements that protocol.

pauska

Does anyone here use/buy new HP thin clients? It almost looks like they are terminating the product alltogether.. nearly impossible to find them

Dan

@pauska I'd say yes, but actually I don't think we've purchased any recently. I've done projects with hundreds of them over the last few months though, not heard of any issues

tombull89

08:05

@Dan Used to work for Costa in a previous job. Latte's were fine (and fun) to do, but when someone wanted soya milk and caramel and have a dozen other picky things...meh.

@pauska I thought HP were basically canning all non-server products?

pauska

@Dan W7E models? The t510's are not in stock anywhere, and the t610 is too expensive..

Dan

@pauska It was all 510's incidentally

pauska

@tombull89 No, they turned on that

@Dan with win7?

Dan

@pauska Yeah

pauska

:|

maybe they bought them a year ago..

Dan

08:08

@pauska Not entirely implausible - I can ask sales when I see them, if you want?

pauska

@Dan Yes please

Dan

@tombull89 Ah, I'm simple though I do ask they put sweetner in before they do the latte

pauska

I'm getting the feeling that they are concentrating on their own ThinOS or whatever its called

Cold T

Morning all

What a dull crap day

Dan

@pauska Maybe, hope not though - I like the flexibility of (near) full fat Windows

pauska

08:12

@Dan plus, the idea (here at least) was to make sure all thin clients support RemoteFX if we'd ever need to deploy a VDI for some users

but when the cost is 40% higher for those thin clients.. it makes sense to just use CE 6.0 across the board, and just give them a regular computer if they need faster stuff

tombull89

I thought RemoteFX was a server thing, and the normal RDP connection was used for clients?

Then again I only had a glancing look at it as none of my stuff at home or work would run it.

pauska

The client has to support RemoteFX (RDP 7.1) to make it work

Cold T

have always found thin clients more costly then what it is worth

Dan

@ColdT Swings and rounabouts - they're not cheap outright, but the ease of management / imaging etc is a huge advantage

I've reimaged entire schools of thin clients in a few hours on an evening.

Iain

@JennyD ooh SMOP haven't seen that in ages :)

Cold T

08:23

@Dan i agree with management and imaging part, but the management board only considers 'cost' rather then seeing that it eases the IT department

Tom O'Connor

Hey UTC fellows.

Y'know. I've figured out the problem with serverfault. Not enough brits.

Iain

@TomO'Connor too many amateurs

Dan

@ColdT Well, that's just good old fashioned lack of foresight ;) Seriously though, I'm the first to admit that Thin Clients aren't for everyone or nearly every application, but for your average desktop PC running Office and some web browsing etc they're more than enough. And being able to rapidly roll out changes to hundreds of users is a mahoosive advantage.

Tom O'Connor

@Iain Actually, as I realised last night. It has the same problem as every company, EVER. Too willing to hack things about in a business environment, instead of future planning, doing it right, and making shit just work.

I mean really. 500ft single span copper ethernet with a repeater in the middle?

Why not just use fibre and do it right.

Dan

@TomO'Connor What's this? :(

Tom O'Connor

08:28

This whole short-term short-sighted cheapskatery ass-about-face fuckery really really pisses me off.

Because I know, and everyone else who's been there in the past knows that short term cheap solutions will bite you in the ass in future.

Iain

@TomO'Connor how is this a SF thing ?

Jenny D

@Iain It's more of a "life" thing...

Tom O'Connor

@Iain Because it looks like there's a community of cheapskates.

@dan serverfault.com/a/507831/16732

Iain

@TomO'Connor yeah - amateurs

Tom O'Connor

Nobody seems to be interested in doing anything right any more. It's a slippery slope to where someone will have a core system running on a laptop. Or a raspberry pi.

and I hate being downvoted for doing the right thing.

Dan

08:30

Ooh, I see, I thought you meant StackExchange were doing this

As above, I don't think it's anything to do with SF, it's just life, companies and has always been this way

Tom O'Connor

@Dan From what i've seen, they do seem to have clue, and lots of it.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Yeah, that's what I thought!

Tom O'Connor

I was pleasantly surprised by the spec for the kitlist for the se.london office.

Iain

@TomO'Connor As I've noted before ~70% or more of our questions come from people with more rep on SO that makes them amateurs

Tom O'Connor

rather than the usual when people say what they want, and it's all d-link and belkin.

Jenny D

08:32

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Q: STRANGE file_get_contents ERROR WITH VARIABLES : No such file or directory

I can read a line of text from a file OK, but I cannot use those matches with file_get_contents or fsockopen. Yet the text as a typed text and as a variable $url seem identical. i.e., I cannot do this: $row = fgets($feedhandle, 1024); preg_match_all('/([^,\s]+)+/', $row, $result); ...

php url variables

should go straight to SO, yes?

@Iain But you're not allowed to call them that cause that would be hostile.

pauska

@Dan I think I'll test their Smart OS thingy (zero clients).. it uses Free RDP, which should work OK

Dan

@pauska Nobodies in to speak to yet, but the t510's are in stock on the usual reseller websites over here

Tom O'Connor

@JennyD I just call them Jeremy Hunts..

lest I irritate the flag police.

Iain

@JennyD and that's the core of why I'm stepping down. SF is no longer by professionals for professionals it is by professionals for amateurs and if you try to fix it then you're considered hostile and unfriendly

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Tom O'Connor

I like being hostile and unfriendly, and seemed arrogant, and I can do the "I told you so dance" when it all goes wrong. As long as my knee is up to it.

tombull89

08:36

Do SE know (or think) it's an issue? Or do they not really care as long as there's enough traffic to make the adspace worth it?

Iain

@tombull89 I suspect the latter

tombull89

@TomO'Connor Don't think a mod candidate should say that ;)

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 I don't think I really care anymore.

Dan

I don't really think there is anywhere better, though

Tom O'Connor

politicians say a lot worse and get away with more.

@Dan Wesley and I were talking about this last night, that it might be an interesting scene if we did accept shopping questions

Dan

08:38

@TomO'Connor I agree, actually. In some ways, I wonder if we could do with relaxing the rules for questions, but strengthening the rules on who can ask questions

Tom O'Connor

I do high-level architecture pretty well, and I'd like to see more of those, but usually they get nuked before I can get to them.

Case in point, as I said in a comment, serverfault.com/questions/507881/… I'd love to have a go at designing something to do this.

but i'd never want to inflict it on real office people.

Iain

@Dan I doubt it but it could be so much better - we don't even manage to attract our target audience. The people I know who would fit into that category won't play because there is far too much HALP! that could be avoided by reading the documentation which is lets face it the professional way.

tombull89

@TomO'Connor Thing it, it would be all very well spending the time and effort speccing something up and saying "you can do this, this and this and it will cost you £" and then they look up and say "but we can do it with belkin and string for a lot less".

Iain

Imagine how much more interesting SF would be if there wasn't a river of apache vhost, mod_rewrite etc shit flowing down the front page every day

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tombull89

So you'd have to write two answers. One for "doing it properly" and one for "doing it wrong".

Dan

08:41

@Iain Mmmhmm!

Iain

:: ambles off to calm down ::

Jenny D

@Iain I agree. And thanks for the compliment on Meta.

tombull89

I'd like to see questions that go into such detail as it would be a good learning experience for me, but it would be uip to those that could do it to choose to spend their time writing it up.

pauska

@Iain this is why I find Discourse interesting.. questions/topics without any activity quickly run down the list

Jenny D

@tombull89 I'd also like to see answers that are not only "this is the solution" but "this is the background, this how I see it, this is how I'd do it, here are some other ways that might also work"

Dan

08:50

I wonder if we're hitting the limits of pure Q&A?

Tom O'Connor

@Dan I think we're just not hitting the users enough.

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Dan

So....what can we do about it/

Not that I'm a great example, I don't answer many q's

Iain

@JennyD you're welcome.

Jenny D

@Dan I've not been here long enough to have a grasp of systemic solutions; it would take a bit more site experience for that, I think. But what everyone can do is to try to write and answer the way we would like others to. And avoid answering when the question/poster makes us angry - those comments may be entertaining but are usually not constructive. That's what the chat room is for...

pauska

@Dan force SX to stop bumping up unanswered (and usually SHIT) questions?

Tom O'Connor

09:04

@JennyD Sometimes the only way for people to see that they're wrong is for it to be made blatantly obvious that they're doing something stupid.

Dan

@pauska SX?

tombull89

StackExchange, I guess.

Iain

@JennyD the trouble is that tl;dr is as true for answers as it is for documentation, long, well researched and presented answers get trumped by a one liner (nearly) every time

Dan

Oh, Community, yes this is something that irritates me but is encouraged

Jenny D

@TomO'Connor Oh, I quite agree. My point is that the person who's having smoke blowing out of their ears at the very thought of the question may not be the one who'll be best able to make the point. Taking a short break before answering usually helps.

Dan

09:05

Also, people randomly putting crap-ish (If technically correct) answers to old questions, especially those that already have answers

Jenny D

@Iain That's a good point.

Dan

But again, that doesn't seem to be technically against the rules

Iain

@Dan If it's a crappy answer downvote it.

tombull89

@Dan saying "format c:\" to "how do I get rid of a virus" is technically correct, but not very helpful. So that should be downvoted.

Of course if it gets to -10 and the OP does it anyway, well...

Dan

@Iain I do, but then we get into trouble for jumping on it etc etc etc

Iain

09:08

@Dan the pile on effect is only really evident when something gets dropped in here

Dan

@Iain True

Jenny D

@Dan I do understand the people who would like a comment to go with their downvote. But I also understand that one doesn't always have the energy to do that, especially with the really crappy questions/answers.

Dan

@JennyD I have tried to be friendlier recently - I did have a bad habit of arguing with fools

Jenny D

@Dan It's really hard to break that habit... "someone's being wrong on the internet" :-)

tombull89

What about pre-formatted comments? Something like when you downvote, you get a list of comments such as "This is a bad idea" "This is potentially dangerous" "you should read the manual" or leave no comment

Jenny D

09:12

@tombull89 That could work

Dan

@JennyD Yep :(

Jenny D

@Dan Also, being able to walk away when you see that the conversation isn't going to lead to anything. I'm still working on that one, too.

Iain

@JennyD I'm much better at that than I was

ooh a random downvote on a +16 answer from 18 months ago - wonder who I've upset

Tom O'Connor

@Iain I'd like to be able to see who downvoted me.

Iain

@TomO'Connor why ?

Jenny D

09:17

@TomO'Connor I would too, but I also quite see why it's not available

Tom O'Connor

@Iain To see if it's the OP, or someone else.

I know Robert novak downvoted me last night, after a hoo-hah on twitter.

Seems he's happy to do it wrong if it's cheap.

Worth noting, IMO.

ewwhite

@Iain Oh, it happens.

I got a meanie downvote on a question like that... on my birthday

@Dan we may be hitting the limits.

Dan

@ewwhite From my point of view, it seems that the more complex the question / answer the more discussion like it will become

ewwhite

@Dan Sometimes.. or sometimes it's just a one-answer solution.

Dan

@ewwhite Oh, they definitely exist, no doubt. And there are definitely "right ways" and "wrong ways"

But I think that there are some questions that could spark really interesting discussions which would engage highly skilled users

ewwhite

09:29

I had this Cisco issue, and the fix really was... "Oh, that's a bug. Your switch needs a software update."

@Dan I move a lot of my real problems to chat. I'll ask a question if it seems like it may help other people

Dan

I think it's fair to say that the bigger contributors ask very few questions, and that's probably a problem (You touched on this in meta)

ewwhite

@Dan I don't know why. Experience engineers need help sometimes, right?

Sometimes questions like that attract lurkers.

Dan

@ewwhite Yes, but we either ask in here or spend ages looking

Iain

@TomO'Connor I don't see what you expected to achieve with your original twat to be honest

Dan

I've gone to ask lots of questions, but the vast majority of the time I figure it out before I finish compiling it

tombull89

09:34

Our highest-ranked member has never asked a question. Provided 2,268 answers though.

Although, yes, it would be nice if we did a lot more of "sharing the info" of things that we've ran into ourselves and then managed to sort (See my MicroServer question for that sort of thing I mean).

Tom O'Connor

@Iain Don't you mean tweet?

ewwhite

@tombull89 I think he takes pride in that.

Iain

@TomO'Connor I said what I mean :)

ewwhite

I've asked over 100 questions and provided a LOT of answers. It goes both ways.

Or maybe I ask questions because I don't know anything...

:)

@dan for discussion, I see sites like Ars Technica's Server Room as having a nice discourse.

Dan

@ewwhite Wish I had 1/2 your knowledge, mate

ewwhite

09:40

They have a What did you learn today? thread.

Dan

@ewwhite Y'know, I don't actually hang around any other technical places

ewwhite

neither do I... but I go there once every couple of months

I just hate the forum format.

stickies and all.

Dan

I go to a lot of forums, just not IT ones :D

Jenny D

@Dan I hang around at some very obscure places. Not Ars Technica

ewwhite

But then you get threads like this...

Jenny D

09:45

@Dan As a rule, I dislike all web forum implementations. ravelry.com is the only exception.

ewwhite

@Dan yeah, I'm on ~30 forums for other interests... cycling, photography, sideboob, music, etc.

pauska

@Dan I'm getting more and more torn when it comes to our RDP environment.. Thin Clients + terminal servers means as little maintenance as possible, but the toll is starting to get a little high. Our #1 CPU usage hog on servers right now is internet explorer, and we can't disable flash/java cause we need it for HR services. Lync is "forgetaboutit", unless you have W7/W8 on the thin client and a VDI plugin. W7/W8 thin clients costs $$$...

I'm getting more and more tempted to set up a traditional desktop environment with RemoteApp..

Or App-V

ewwhite

@pauska seriously... I used to use thin clients because they were CHEAP

Dan

It is tough, unfortunately

pauska

@ewwhite Windows CE was cheap.. W7/8 is not

ewwhite

09:48

and now, we're pushing $500+ for nice thin clients that can support Citrix, RDS and all of the good stuff.

pauska

@ewwhite exactly

ewwhite

And all of the HP Windows CE and Linux thin clients I've sold over the years have been rendered useless...

pauska

you can get dell desktops at a lower price..

Yes, same boat here. The CE models have RDP 6.0, which sucks ass in these days. The Linux ones is utterly crap

Dan

Yeah, IMHO, Windows Embedded is the only way at the minute

pauska

I even tried Dell to give me rebate on Wyse W7 models, and they turned out to be more expensive than HP...

ewwhite

09:49

I was extremely pissed that I couldn't get Windows CE HP thin clients running with server 2008...

pauska

@ewwhite We use CE against 2008 R2, but it's jerky as hell

ewwhite

well, EvanAnderson found a fix... serverfault.com/questions/474671/…

pauska

everything is software rendered..

@Dan but the nice write filter and the tiny flash disk doesn't justify the cost

You'll get a ten times better experience with Win7 and RemoteApp/App-V

plus all multimedia stuff stays local..

Tom O'Connor

Sounds like you're trying to evade a firewall. Would you like some help with that? </clippy> — Tom O'Connor 7 secs ago

Dan

@pauska T510 should be around £250 I think

Which isn't that expensive, really

Bearing in mind you get HP Device Manager, too

ewwhite

09:53

@pauska but that puts more burden on the administrator and design, right?

pauska

@Dan B8L63AA

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@ewwhite Yes, unless you put some effort into it, like SCCM

ewwhite

So for Windows n00bs like me, I'd never be able to do it.

pauska

We're already GPO-heavy as hell here, transforming to desktops would be a breeze

tombull89

gotta love the Root Access Easter Egg.

pauska

the only issue I see is spinning disks.. they tend to magically stop working when they're in hands of end users

ewwhite

09:55

@pauska Just normal desktop failures

pauska

a batch of cheap 128GB ssd's would sort that

ewwhite

SSDs for all-the-users!

tombull89

Could probably get away with 60GB ssds

ewwhite

with redirection and all of that

hey, one of my produce clients hired a VMware guy... and he just sent a visio to show his design for an upcoming hardware refresh. Anyone want to critique? :)

Dan

@pauska Sorry, no, I'm full of shit. I'm far too isolated from the money

ewwhite

09:58

multiply that by three servers... licensing is Enterprise (not enterprise plus)

pauska

@Dan The cheapest T510 (which, by the way, is not officially supported by the Lync VDI client since it's not 1.5ghz) I can find here is £385 excl. VAT/shipping

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