The Comms Room

Chris S

16:01

@MDMarra I suspect he's developing something or other; using an Admin account and a non-priv Testing account

jscott

@MDMarra I would swear all the text changed late yesterday or early this morning.

MDMarra

could be

jscott

But now I've been looking at it so long I can't tell anymore.

ewwhite

@mdmarra Pix have been uploaded!

Basil

So the chromebooks are nigh impossible to get in Canada.

MDMarra

16:05

@ewwhite to?

@Basil good, it sounds like that might have saved you $1300

:)

Basil

@MDMarra There's a 199$ acer chromebook I was looking at actually

MDMarra

Oh, I thought you meant the Pixel

Basil

No, that's a stupid excess. If I'm going to buy something that expensive, I may as well get a real computer

MDMarra

Why are you looking at such cheap hardware? Just something to play around with?

Basil

My wife needs something to write on while she's traveling

MDMarra

16:06

ah, got ya

Basil

I'm thinking of renting a netbook from bestbuy (buying it and returning it when the chromebooks become available) but I don't feel right doing that

Cole

and you'll have to pay a 15% restocking fee/SOL if they can't find anything wrong with it, too.

Basil

hmm

Cole

I worked there for 2 years lol

Basil

that's not the case here I think

voretaq7

16:08

@Cole I can easily induce failure

Cole

In Computer Sales and Customer Service.

Basil

that too :P

@Cole Canada has different rules I think

Cole

As long as you don't have any water damage - go for it.

Damn Canadians

MDMarra

@Basil Why not get her a tablet + bluetooth keyboard?

mossy

Ah yes. Muskegon locals do not disappoint

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/03/suspect_nets_only_adult_size_p.html#incart_river_default

Basil

16:10

@MDMarra She says that tablets are too small

mossy

'Adult size' panda costume only item apparently taken during Dalton Township burglary

MDMarra

@Basil an ipad is 9.7" What's a chromebook?

10"?

Basil

The small form factor ones are for sure, and I suspect that the large ones are over 500$, at which point I'll buy her a real computer

ewwhite

@MDMarra Oh, I uploaded the bling house photos to Flickr.

Basil

@MDMarra Chromebooks are 11 or 14

the 14 is 250$

MDMarra

16:11

oh, well that's not really a netbook then is it

@ewwhite I'll scope it out

@ewwhite it's for the whole building?

Basil

@MDMarra If there wwas a 10 inch tablet for 250$ I'd buy it

ewwhite

@MDMarra yes.

MDMarra

@ewwhite i like the 2nd fl balcony and 1fl porch

you could have some awesome parties

@Basil ipad2s are like $300

ewwhite

@MDMarra Eh, we don't have friends.

but there's a roof deck option.

mossy

LOL

MDMarra

16:12

and since the mini uses similar hardware to the ipad 2, apps should still support the 2 for the forseeable future

Basil

@MDMarra Those are ancient, aren't they?

mossy

in response to the stolen panda costume

MDMarra

see above :)

mossy

cl.ly/image/193x0r1b0B0K

MDMarra

And they still sell the ipad 2

They bulk-sell a lot of them to education

voretaq7

16:13

forgot to update Bacula in most recent OS rebuild push. And I say to thee "Meh, It's only 3 patch revisions behind and none of that shit affects me..."

Basil

Is there a comparable android option?

MDMarra

No idea

Basil

If it's being sold for 250 by apple, it's only worth 125

MDMarra

I don't play with that mess

tombull89

@mossy chuckle

MDMarra

16:14

@Basil They hardware margins are actually low. Only like 1% or so more than most competitors

voretaq7

@Basil 140. Profit margins have slimmed.

MDMarra

They make their loot off of the 30% appstore fee

@ewwhite Roofdecks are awesome

voretaq7

@MDMarra Apple's component cost margin is about 50%. Adding in labor they're making between 30 and 40 percent.

Basil

Regardless, an iAnything is going to be less hardware for your money than a much better android

MDMarra

@ewwhite the toilet looks like a space ship

@voretaq7 source?

Basil

16:15

Does anyone know of an android comparison to the iPad 2? Something about 200-300$ that's 10 inches?

voretaq7

@MDMarra Every iFixit teardown ever

MDMarra

I read something last year that apple's hardware margins are roughly 4-5% and most PC manufacturers are 2-3%

voretaq7

and such reliable sources as macrumors.com/2012/11/05/…

ewwhite

@MDMarra They don't have toilets in Pennsylvania?

Joel E Salas

My cat is broadcasting a distress signal to his home planet

MDMarra

16:17

@ewwhite Not that are streamlined like that. You could put that thing on top of a racecar

@voretaq7 raw component cost isn't a good measure though

voretaq7

@MDMarra Even being conservative and saying "Labor plus overhead is 0.5*parts" They're making 15% margins which is pretty healthy

MDMarra

shipping, customers, labor, retail costs, etc

Plus R&D

voretaq7

You never count R&D cost in retail profit figures

MDMarra

Also, Apple pumps significant money into improving the working conditions in factories overseas

voretaq7

if you did nothing would ever be profitable

"significant" is relative. "More than most other companies do" certainly, but as a percentage of Apple's overall operating cost, "Pittance"

The iTunes/App Store ecosystem is definitely their cash cow though

ewwhite

16:19

@MDMarra the neighbors have a chicken coop, though :(

Basil

@MDMarra The minimum necessary to placate the hippies at the cafes they frequent

voretaq7

and hell the only reason I don't have an Android tablet is because every damn app I use is iOS only

MDMarra

@ewwhite Um

@Basil Oh of course

ewwhite

@MDMarra and I can't tell if it's a hipster chicken coop, or a REAL chicken coop.

Basil

Apple is in the business of selling their style and brand. It's designer hardware. Twice the cost, because everyone else has one

voretaq7

16:20

@ewwhite what's the difference?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite How can you tell the difference?

MDMarra

@voretaq7 looks like the info I was looking at before was strictly Intel-based devices

voretaq7

@MDMarra I'm not sure what the margins are on the Intel hardware

Basil

Fuck. That. Hardware is a commodity, and so are OSs

MDMarra

Tablets do look to have 35-35% margin

@voretaq7 Those are 4-5%

Joel E Salas

16:21

@MDMarra the majority of apple's profits come from the iPhone

voretaq7

@JoelESalas not according to the earnings call :)

MDMarra

@JoelESalas s/iphone/app store

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 Oh? what's the thing now?

voretaq7

the majority of the profit comes from the iTunes/App Store sales

Joel E Salas

Daaaang

ewwhite

16:21

@JoelESalas @voretaq7 tight jeans versus... um...

MDMarra

@Basil Do an apples to apples comparison of a macbook pro to an equal PC. The results are similar

voretaq7

(i.e. iPhone + iPad + Everyone selling Mac apps though the store now)

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Overalls? Missing teeth?

Basil

@MDMarra I'm still talking about tablets

MDMarra

Oh right

well that's not commodity, so to speak

voretaq7

16:22

@MDMarra eh, Apple notebooks are overpriced

MDMarra

Apple designs their own ARM CPUs now

@voretaq7 Only mildly

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Puerto Rican neighborhood.

voretaq7

When you add in the RAM and drive upgrades you're forced to get from apple now?

MDMarra

Depends on the model, I suppose

voretaq7

It wouldn't surprise me if the Apple Tax on RAM and SSDs pushes the profit margin up into the 10% range. They don't even use lube anymore

MDMarra

16:23

Their retina pricing is ridiculous because there is no competitor

a regular MBP or MBA are right in line with the competition for the most part

Chris S

@MDMarra It's just a Coretex CPU... I doubt they modified it all that much.

Also has a integrated Power CPU for graphics.

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 The fear of being unable to add RAM forces people to grab ankle

MDMarra

@ChrisS Right, I mean it still has to be based off of what they license from ARM, but it's been modified by apple

voretaq7

@JoelESalas it's a real problem

MDMarra

They just use Samsung as a foundry now

voretaq7

16:24

I can extend the life of a machine by a good 2 years if I can add more RAM to it later

Chris S

@MDMarra Gotta love the irony there

voretaq7

OS X gets more RAM hungry every release too

MDMarra

@ChrisS Before samsung was designing the whole CPU and everything haha

voretaq7

@ChrisS Samsung is happy to make chips for Apple. It really is an entirely different company as far as they're concerned

mossy

-.-

2

Q: Can I recover from "rm /*"?

I'm running Debian... And, I accidentally ran "rm /*" as root (hurray!) - luckily I didn't use -r, so the dirs are still intact. However, when trying to boot, I get... run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! ...however, after checking...

debian rm

ewwhite

16:25

I have a MacBook Retina and run out of RAM with Safari and Aperture often.

mossy

old question

ewwhite

8GB.. wanted 16GB, but it just wasn't available

mossy

woah

ewwhite

so now I'm STUCK

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Even the SSD doesn't mitigate how SLOW OSX is without RAM

ewwhite

16:26

@JoelESalas basically... I can notice the slowdowns...

MDMarra

@ewwhite I have a soldering iron

Bring it by next time you're in PHL

Chris S

@voretaq7 I know, but in headlines it looks like Samsun's left hand is helping Apple while the Right hand is getting sued

MDMarra

yep

@ewwhite I like the jacket you have on in the bathroom selfie

ewwhite

@MDMarra SWEATER, kinda...

voretaq7

@ewwhite Still isn't available. 's what keeps me from buying a new laptop.

Also still waiting for them to upgrade the mini ipad to not suck

MDMarra

16:29

@ewwhite I couldn't tell if it was a cardigan or not, but the high neck make it look like it was a jacket

ewwhite

@voretaq7 which is a huge mistake... I think replaceable RAM is a pretty basic feature.

voretaq7

I'd like to carry something smaller in the plane - 9.7" is an unwieldy size in a tiny cockpit :-/

@ewwhite I agree

not so much "replaceable" (if it's defective they're damn well doing it under warranty!) but "upgradeable" certainly. Or they should lower their price on RAM upgrades to be something closer to what I can get the RAM from Crucial for.

tdk2fe

16:43

Hey peeps

voretaq7

mossy

@tdk2fe What's up, dog

@voretaq7 See what i did there?

voretaq7

@mossy You can get your own dog pictures

I'm only obliging peeps because Zombie Jesus Day is coming

mossy

I feel bad for that yellow peep.

tdk2fe

It's that time of the year

Joel E Salas

16:54

why did I like peeps as a child? they taste foul

voretaq7

@JoelESalas Because mommy and daddy didn't want you to eat them

Why do I still like Cadbury Creme Eggs even knowing what's in them and how terrible they are for me?

aw hell I don't care - give me the chocolate bunny eggs!

mossy

How about those orange chocolate oranges

Terry's Chocolate Orange

Terry's Chocolate Orange is a chocolate product, made by Kraft Foods. Development In 1923, Frank and Noel Terry joined the family business, Terry's of York. They revamped the company, and after opening the Art Deco-style factory The Chocolate Works in 1926, began launching new products. The first was the Chocolate Apple (1926), then the Chocolate Orange (1931), and finally Terry's All Gold (1936). At the onset of World War II, confectionary production was immediately halted. The factory was taken over by F Hill's and Son's of Manchester as a shadow factory, to manufacture and repair air...

MMMMMMMMM

voretaq7

@mossy Always less tasty than advertised

AFAIK nobody makes just a plain unflavored dark chocolate one.

Joel E Salas

@mossy Also foul

mossy

You guys are weird.

I wonder if i can find one on my lunch break

voretaq7

17:00

@mossy "prior to unwrapping the ball, to tap it severely on a hard surface to cause the segments to separate from each other " --- "tap it severely", oh those brits and their funny words

Here in America we just say "slam"

... "I didn't bludgeon my users for their stupidity. I tapped them severely."

mossy

Slam on desk and eat whole orange in one sitting

Iain

get fat(ter)

mossy

Hey we're not fat

We have big bones

voretaq7

@mossy mmhmm, big squishy flabby bones. Turning American are we?

mossy

with that said, I'm going to get some chicken nuggets from mcdonalds.

be back in a bit.

Joel E Salas

17:02

@voretaq7 We invented the Internet AND being obese. Coincidence?

Iain

ooh I just saw my first @voretaq7 twat coutesy of @BartSilverstrim on fb

Hennes

The Swiss are obese? I did not know that.

voretaq7

@Iain and now you're ruined forever?

Cole

What a @voretaq7 twat?

I've apparently missed a lot today doing actually work

Probably should stop doing that

Jacob

Link?

Joel E Salas

17:17

@ewwhite serverfault.com/questions/483368/…

Stack Exchange

Correct ratio is 1 devops for 100 server because is not possible of ssh and give personalize attention on more server in 1 day.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on March 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Basil

@Hennes My sister lives there and there's actually a culture of borderline anorexia.

voretaq7

@Basil In the US we call that subculture "The Fashion Industry"

<- deploying upgrades on production systems in the middle of the day.

Because I'm That Good.

Joel E Salas

foliovision.com/2010/05/network-backup-apple-timemachine Look at how much bullshit this is! Just for a proper network backup!

Iain

@voretaq7 possibly

voretaq7

17:24

@JoelESalas . . . I just bought a Time Capsule :x

ewwhite

@JoelESalas yeah, what about it?

voretaq7

I answered a Solaris question - someone give me a fucking cookie or something!

Matt Bear

hiya

Jacob

@voretaq7 NO!

Hennes

@voretaq7 Here, have some SPARCling cookies!

voretaq7

17:25

@Jacob I TALKED ABOUT AN ORACLE PRODUCT! I DAMN WELL DESERVE COMPENSATION FOR tHAT TRAUMA!

ewwhite

I need a hardware recommendation. A good sounding hands-free headset for an iPhone.

voretaq7

@Hennes SPARCling CIDR?

Matt Bear

dumb question.... where do I designate <virtualhost> in apache? Which file I mean

voretaq7

@ewwhite cabled, or wireless?

ewwhite

I can do either.

voretaq7

17:26

@MattBear anywhere that gets loaded by httpd.conf

ewwhite

I'll do cabled if it sounds MOAR better.

voretaq7

@ewwhite try the Plantronics headsets?

ewwhite

@voretaq7 I have one of their bluetooth

Matt Bear

/etc/apache2/httpd.conf is blank... but there are multiple sites running on the server

ls.

voretaq7

@ewwhite don't like?

@MattBear then find out where your OS puts Apache configurations

(or where someone put a different httpd that's running)

ewwhite

17:29

@voretaq7 I bought this phone set

I want something like that.

for when I'm in a damn hotel and need to take a long conference call on my mobile

voretaq7

@ewwhite I just use the earbuds honestly...

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 thats what im trying to do lol... I dont know linux well yet

Jacob

@ewwhite Plantronics Voyager plantronics.com/us/product/voyager-pro

Hennes

@voretaq7 SPARCling CIDR has no Class. :-)

Jacob

@MattBear try /httpd/

@MattBear what distro?

Matt Bear

17:31

@Jacob ubuntu

11.x

ewwhite

@voretaq7 I don't have any

voretaq7

OK, place your bets: Is my fix to firewall state synchronization going to work, or am I going to have all my SSH connections drop?

ewwhite

@Jacob is it good?

voretaq7

@ewwhite They don't come with the phone anymore?

Jacob

@voretaq7 10 on shit failing

@ewwhite Yeah, It's noise canceling and nice to use. Longish battery, and whatnot

ewwhite

17:33

@voretaq7 I dunno... I use customs.

voretaq7

<croupier>place your bets.... place your bets</croupier>

Jacob

@MattBear You're doing it wrong, use CentOS/BSD

voretaq7

@ewwhite meh - kerspensive!

jscott

$2K earbuds?!

Matt Bear

@Jacob not my choice lol

voretaq7

17:35

I draw the line at things that cost more than aviation headsets :P

<croupier>No More Bets....</croupier> ::restarts FW1::

ewwhite

@jscott mine were less than that :)

Jacob

@jscott NOT EVEN WORTH IT.

voretaq7

...FW2 is now master

Matt Bear

@Jacob /usr/sbin/apache2 -V isnt even giving me the file...

Jacob

@voretaq7 and, did you drop?

voretaq7

17:36

@Jacob we'll find out when FW1 restarts

jscott

@Jacob Serious. I don't think my hearing is good enough to tell the difference.

voretaq7

the problem was never in failing over, it's in failing back

FW1 is now up...

...and FW1 is now master, and more importantly I know this because I was able to check it from my STILL WORKING SSH SESSION ON FW2

::does the happy happy state synchronization dance::

Matt Bear

ah hah!

The /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty in Ubuntu, because the Apache configuration resides in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf!

voretaq7

@MattBear ...because Ubuntu is all about doing things differently (a/k/a DOING IT WRONG)

jscott

Minor typo...

voretaq7

17:39

this sin is worth 1 Shuttleworth Cockpunch

Matt Bear

and virtual host configurations are stored in.... sites-enabled

voretaq7

@MattBear yeah that's actually pretty standard for Linux

"active" is also acceptable

Iain

@voretaq7 some variants of

Jacob

@voretaq7 Did the SSH sessions close?

voretaq7

2 mins ago, by voretaq7

...and FW1 is now master, and more importantly I know this because I was able to check it from my STILL WORKING SSH SESSION ON FW2

Matt Bear

17:40

when it comes to linux, pretend I dont know things I should, in fact dont pretend

Jacob

@voretaq7 :(, I'm trying to do like actual work...

Matt Bear

but woot, found my config files, makes sense now, apache2.conf tells it to look for the virtual host config files in sites-enabled

and in sites-enabled, you create a .conf for each site setting its url, and file location

voretaq7

@Jacob WTF would you be doing THAT for?

Jacob

@voretaq7 Because the funds for not doing work cause MY bank account to drop.

Matt Bear

am I right?

voretaq7

17:43

(this is me front-loading actual work for next weekend, so my major upgrade cycle takes substantially less time)

@MattBear essentially, yes

(they don't have to be separate files, but by convention if you're using sites-enabled that's what you should be doing)

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 but you can also specify the virtual hosts directly in httpd.conf?

voretaq7

@MattBear apache2.conf in your case - but again if your system is using sites-enabled or equivalent you should really stick with that convention

that way the next guy doesn't have to figure out why the system is doing things two different ways

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 apache2.conf is what I meant :p

voretaq7

there's other reasons too - On my servers httpd.conf has global configuration stuff that is the same on every server, and the active/whatever.conf contains the stuff that gets customized

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 thats actually a good idea...

i will keep that in mind, im rebuilding 9 of em after all

are the best practices to follow securing the servers?

voretaq7

17:51

@MattBear in that case may I strongly suggest investing the time now to learn Puppet (or equivalent)

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 what is puppet?

voretaq7

@MattBear "Turn off (and optionally uninstall) all the shit you don't need"

@MattBear puppet (or puppetlabs.com)

Matt Bear

and these are azure cloud servers, migrating from godaddy

its 3 production, 3 staging, and 3 dev servers

RobM

-1

Q: how to approach one-codebase-for-many-domains with SSL?

I have a VPS with WHM/cPanel, and a bunch of web stores, all with unique content, and all running off the same PHP codebase, db, CMS and CRM systems. Each domain is unique, but generated from the same code, with shared file resources. There's only one missing element: How do I host the thing?? ...

apache2 ssl hosting cpanel

Has someone turned on question migration from SO again? ^

voretaq7

-1

Q: Exchange Certificate Problems using WindowsPhone 8

i know this is not the place to ask "phone questions", but smartphone-communties are an even worse place to ask server-questions. What i'm trying to do is access my exchange-account via windows phone 8. My company is using Small Business Server 2011. When i enter my login,password and domain it...

windows exchange windows-sbs-2011 phone

Iain

17:57

@MattBear put them in sites-available then use a2ensite to put them in sites-enabled

voretaq7

:SMACKSMACKSMACKSMACKSMACK:

@RobM moderators can still migrate questions

RobM

fuckers

voretaq7

and if you're gonna beat the guy up for his awful question how about saving me the time and leaving him a comment telling him why it's awful? :)

jscott

@MattBear In Debian, you create the site specific conf in /etc/apache2/sites-available. Then you use a2ensite to "enable" the site (create the symlink). Not sure about Uboonutoos, but just something to be aware of in case your config goes missing.

voretaq7

<- DIAMOND means LAZY!

RobM

17:59

I was confused by the other names appearing there also, only 1 is a diamond

Iain

@jscott Ubuntu does that too

Matt Bear

@jscott what I was planning was to make a tarball of the entire directory, and SCP it over to the new one

@voretaq7 and how do I know what I dont need?

@jscott what that be a bad move, considering im upgrading from 11.x to 12.10 in the process?

Iain

@MattBear turn it off and then test to see if anything breaks ?

Dan

Evenin

RobM

hi @dan

voretaq7

18:03

Well I know by ~15 years of bitter experience, so in about 14 years you will too :-)
(or do what @Iain said -- that's how most of us learn :-)

You can also make some sound educated guesses - like "Servers don't need graphical desktop environments!", and "Only an idiot would be running OpenOffice and Firefox on a production server!"

jscott

@MattBear Copying the configs directory should be fine. I would avoid copying the mods directories, in case there are versioning issues.

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 ill start that, but testing and experimentation time isnt a luxury I have

unfortunatly...

voretaq7

@MattBear Make the time. (Seriously. Do it right the first time, or make sure time and resources are budgeted to do it over again in 6 months.)

You can get a perfectly fine system by just throwing the standard Debian/Ubuntu/Whatever "Server Edition" on a box though, if you're really crunched for time

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 godaddy cloud server services terminate in a month... I pretty much have 2 weeks to get it done

voretaq7

definitely make the time to learn some kind of configuration management system though

Matt Bear

18:07

and no, there is no gui

voretaq7

@MattBear . . . and what drunken ass lunatic C-Level Executive came up with this timetable?

mossy

Wait sorry to bust in and ask questions but are you thinking of using ubuntu @MattBear?

Matt Bear

@mossy allready am, we currently use 11.x, and the new azure servers are 12.10

mossy

poo

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 ask godaddy, they are the ones ending the service

voretaq7

18:09

@MattBear Given your time constraints, plan on two things:

1) Having to learn and retrofit some kind of configuration management onto this environment (so make everything as uniformly identical as possible between the machines now)

2) Probably having to re-architect the whole thing within a year (because you don't have the time to get up to speed on all things Unix *and* get it all rolled out before your current servers vanish into the mist)

mossy

@voretaq7 Tweetin pics at you

Matt Bear

my bosses predecessor was the one the built everything initially, (new boss is CIO), I'm supposed to learn it over time, but this got dumped onto us unexpectadly, on top of other major projects.... Just finished SharePoint last week

@voretaq7 right now, I'm just trying to clone the existing configuration, and understand what I'm cloning pretty much

up till now, its been kind of an enigma (it aint broke, dont screw with it)

voretaq7

@MattBear Ah yes, the Ostrich School of System Administration

(Bury your head in the sand and pray it never breaks)

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 no... more the 10 tons of shit and one shovel method

gotta move through the front of the pile to get to the rear lol

voretaq7

@MattBear . . . that's how you wound up with Ubuntu.

Matt Bear

18:16

@voretaq7 is ubuntu that bad?

because I can do centOS

both are debian based right?

voretaq7

nein

Ubuntu is debian based, CentOS is a RedHat derivative

and they all suck, so if you're using Ubuntu stick with it (or use straight Debian)

Matt Bear

my options are.... CentOS 6.3, SUSE LES 11, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, Ubuntu 12.10

voretaq7

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present for your amusement:

2

Grumpy Toad

Matt Bear

only reason we are running ubuntu was because thats the only option godaddy had at the time

voretaq7

@MattBear The real question is "Do you have enough time to learn a new core operating system and resolve any problems your site might have as a result of the transition?"

Matt Bear

18:19

@voretaq7 short answer, no

voretaq7

Then stick with the latest LTS edition of Ubuntu

tombull89

We are having problems moving assembled computers via standard shipping services due to rough handling causing damage to the internal components (specifically the GPUs are snapping the PCI-E slots off of the motherboard).

0

Q: What is the shock rating / g-force load of a typical assembled computer?

TLDR: for insurance purposes, we want to alert the recipient of a shipped assembled computer that there might be damage to the components via a shockwatch label. What G-force rating should we use? We are having problems moving assembled computers via standard shipping services due to rough ha...

packages shipping

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 what is LTS?

freiheit

@MattBear Long Term Support. The one that they'll provide patches for for a few years instead of only 1 year.

mossy

What he said

Matt Bear

18:27

ahhh ok

freiheit

wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS

Dan

?If I walk to KFC, does that make it healthy

freiheit

@Dan Depends how far you walk

Dan

@freiheit Not far enough :( I ran 8 miles last week and apparently that's about 1200 calories and I doubt that even covers a KFC

freiheit

kfc.com/nutrition

Matt Bear

18:31

@Dan its more then 1200, remember calories are burnt recovering and building muscle, and it boosts your metabolic rate

Dan

@MattBear I don't follow you? Everything I've read, including my GPS watch estimates around about there

Basil

I think I finally get the harlem shake

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Matt Bear

@Dan 1200 is burnt while you are running, but more are used after that during recovery

Dan

@MattBear Ah, I see what you're getting at

Matt Bear

and boosting your metabolic rate increase the ammount burnt while resting

Dan

18:33

@freiheit I refuse to click

freiheit

@Dan That's about one extra crispy breast, one extra crispy drumstick, 1 side of mashed potatoes, 2 biscuits and one serving of corn on the cob

Matt Bear

just found out im allergic to gluten... so I cant eat fast food at all anymore

Dan

@freiheit So probably doesn't cover a large Zinger Tower burger with beans and a chicken leg

@MattBear Ouch :(

Matt Bear

or breads, or well... anything good

even beer!

Chris S

@voretaq7 "fragile" - better know to shipping grunts as "that box we're going to play indoor soccer with"

freiheit

18:35

@MattBear allergic? intolerant? celiac? How sensitive? That's tough!

@MattBear lakefrontbrewery.com/beer/organic/new-grist omissionbeer.com

Dan

@MattBear That's pretty tough - I have IBS which irritates me (heh!), but having spoken to people mine is really mild, so I'm quite lucky all in all. I just have to watch my overall intake - there's nothing I have to actively avoid

Matt Bear

@freiheit allergic, my dad found out he was, and it really screwed up his digestive system, causing vitamin and mineral deficiencies

my brother got tested, he is, so I got tested, I am too

im allergic to cupcakes :(

and twinkies

and pizza

and toast

and cheerios

freiheit

@MattBear There are places that make gluten free cupcakes, pizza, etc...

Matt Bear

cheeseburgers...

@freiheit yeah, I been checking

freiheit

Whole Foods stores often have a gluten free section

Matt Bear

18:38

luckily, I can still eat steak, potatoes, rice, corn, vegetables

makes it real hard to be fat lol

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Doesn't that whole question seem odd? Why would he care about X or Y RAM metric, instead of application performance

Matt Bear

If I were a superhero, my weakness would be cupcakes...

Dan

@MattBear Mine would be hot women

I just ran Procmon over my own program - what the fuck does .NET do! My software looks like it's scanning half the bloody filesystem

freiheit

Does this proposal overlap with SF?

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Weapons (Firearms, Knives, Archery, etc.)

Proposed Q&A site for people who have an interest in Weapons. This will include a somewhat broader category then the old Firearms proposal had, as well as a larger SE audience.

Currently in definition.

Basil

18:54

I know perl does this, so if your answer is l2perl, I'll be on my way, but in bash, is there a way to define arrays at runtime? Like if I have a buildfile with an arbitrary number and selection of server names, create an array for each one? If I do arrayname="server1"; $arrayname[0]=1 I get an error in bash. Should I keep looking, am I missing something obvious, or is this just not possible at all?

Adrian

good afternoon, my fellow gentlemen

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