The Comms Room

Adrian

18:00

sigh The Devs apparently don't have their Dev environment in sync with Production. They contractor wrote a perfectly valid php curl function and it blew everything up when it got pushed out.

of course, they haven't done a package update in 400+ days either, so I'm not surprised.

Might be 500-600, for that matter.

David

@MichaelHampton TECHNICALLY, it is Server Admin...just there's a more specific (but incredibly less trafficked) site for it

Adrian

Painful. Simply Painful. I'm essentially having to teach a receptionist how to design a Wordpress site.

David

18:22

@Adrian dont you guys have some sort of web guy for that?

Adrian

@David Oh no. I have 2 hardware padawans, a software support padawan, a bunch of Devs down the hall, and me.

David

Hell, in my tiny ass non-profit we have a web guy

my boss (IT / manager of other shit (mostly this)), me (IT), and web guy

although we're both part-time assistants

Adrian

Yeah, our administrative overhead is less than 5% though. Our IT segment of the budget is 1.9%.

0

Q: What are Ubuntu cloud images?

What's the difference between Ubuntu's cloud images and Ubuntu's server images?

ubuntu

Posted by a Google engineer.

David

I'm sure out IT budget is terribly low too

seeing as I get paid $12/hr

Adrian

@David Salary is 90+% of ours as well. We have 500 staff and 12 locations though.

I'm kind of done working for non-profits for awhile. Maybe come back to it in 10 years or so. Time to go work in the yes-profit world for awhile.

David

18:27

WAs the only job offer I got lol

and its REALLY boring

Adrian

@David So what are you studying in the free time?

David

Working my way up to transfer into Business Administration w/ Management Information Systems concentration

tombull89

oh. my. god.

-1

A: Is it worth hiring a hacker to perform some penetration testing on my servers?

do you need help? a hacking problem? troubled times? cheating spouse bad coworker?troubl e at school?bully?ne ed a certified GREY or BLACK HAT hacker? my team and i offer services that can help you solve your corporate issues and make your private life better ,we hack into WEBSITE hack,YAHOO,GMAI...

Adrian

@David Ah, you're in school. Good.

David

Yeah, I work 15 hours a week here (3 days x 5 hours, currently) and take a full-load at the same time

Adrian

18:30

@tombull89 I assume you flagged that, yes?

Wouldn't want @voretaq7 to have to deal with 35 flags on the same question.

tombull89

@Adrian flagged as both spam and NAA, and chucked a downvote on it too.

David

BOOM DOWNVOTED

Adrian

I wonder what the lowest surviving answer score is on SF.

Reminds me of that heady day when the "Import 300 trillion emails into Outlook" guy got sent to SU.

tombull89

Lowest question on SF is -17, on MSO it's -131. Don't know about answers.

If you do want a bit of a LOL have a look at the most downvoted questions on MSO.

My favoruite was "how to hack the site to get reps?"

ewwhite

Halp!!!

Okay... I have a Linux/Storage question.

I'm sitting on a system with fast SAS disks... and SLOW SAS disks.

Michael Hampton

18:34

ROFL

ewwhite

I have collectl running in a window...

I run: iozone -t1 -i0 -i1 -r256k -s48g

voretaq7

@Adrian meh, flag away

when I stomp on it it clears all of 'em :P

ewwhite

# DISK STATISTICS (/sec)
#          <---------reads---------><---------writes---------><--------averages--------> Pct
#Name       KBytes Merged  IOs Size  KBytes Merged  IOs Size  RWSize  QLen  Wait SvcTim Util
sdc              0      0    0    0  112728  27976  414  272     272   992  2366      2   99
sdc              0      0    0    0  114688  30062  421  272     272   990  2392      2   99
sdc              0      0    0    0  107616  25846  394  273     273   989  2414      2  100
sdc              0      0    0    0  113568  27976  417  272     272   988  2414      2  100

normal, right?

I hit Ctrl-C on my iozone.

iozone: interrupted

exiting iozone

Adrian

@ewwhite Seriously, dude. Are you able to find many people who are better than you on the main site? People generally bring YOU their I/O problems

ewwhite

I hit Ctrl-C... and the collectl is still running...

# DISK STATISTICS (/sec)
#          <---------reads---------><---------writes---------><--------averages--------> Pct
#Name       KBytes Merged  IOs Size  KBytes Merged  IOs Size  RWSize  QLen  Wait SvcTim Util
sdc              0      0    0    0  121760  30062  447  272     272   989  2360      2   99
sdc              0      0    0    0  115808  27932  425  272     272   990  2333      2   99
sdc              0      0    0    0  110872  27906  407  272     272   990  2312      2  100
sdc              0      0    0    0  114968  27906  421  273     273   989  2339      2  100

it's been a minute since I killed the process... and the disks are still writing.

# DISK STATISTICS (/sec)
#          <---------reads---------><---------writes---------><--------averages--------> Pct
#Name       KBytes Merged  IOs Size  KBytes Merged  IOs Size  RWSize  QLen  Wait SvcTim Util
sdc              0      0    0    0  122600  30062  450  272     272   990  2270      2  100
sdc              0      0    0    0  112728  27906  414  272     272   990  2255      2  100
sdc              0      0    0    0  116648  27932  428  273     272   990  2316      2  100
sdc              0      0    0    0  109192  27906  401  272     272   990  2386      2  100

2 minutes...

  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
12474 root      15   0     0    0    0 D  6.0  0.0   0:35.71 [iozone]

Three minutes....

And it just stopped...

sdc              0      0    0    0  114346  27959  419  273     272   991  2318      2   99
sdc              0      0    0    0  118504  30062  435  272     272   988  2353      2   99
sdc              0      0    0    0  116264   9961  427  272     272   903  2340      2   99
sdc              0      0    0    0  111712      0  409  273     273   505  2321      2   99
sdc             12      0    3    4   96156   3478  373  258     255   105  1878      2   98
sdc              8      0    2    4    7008   1715   37  189     179     0    20     19   74

@Adrian This one is a little puzzling.

I'm trying to understand why I/O seems to be stacking up on this RAID/controller/disk setup.

Note that my I/O wait is 2,000ms+

This is where @MichaelHampton comes in and says, "duh, it's obviously your...[insert obscure Linux tunable]"

Michael Hampton

18:44

Um.... I was never here

ewwhite

Can you think of why this is an issue?

Michael Hampton

What caching are you using on that disk?

ewwhite

Oh, good point... it's an LSI controller, and there are three virtual disks.

There's a BBWC cache on the controller...

and I guess the logical drive is write-back.

Michael Hampton

So maybe your program decided to fsync() on exit, resulting in several minutes of writes.

Adrian

@ewwhite Write Caching is turned ON, right?

ewwhite

18:47

@MichaelHampton If I do it on the fast disks, it runs for 5-10 additional seconds.

Michael Hampton

or whatever the syscall is.

Slow disks are slow.

Adrian

@ewwhite Not sure about your model, but our LSI 9xxx equipment defaults to write caching turned off.

Michael Hampton

Yup, it was fsync I was thinking of.

ewwhite

just did this on the fast SAS array... collectl continued for 38 seconds after I killed the program

Michael Hampton

Though if you really have writeback caching, then that should just return when the LSI controller has it in cache....

ewwhite

18:51

I'll try on an HP box...

Adrian

@MichaelHampton I have a very similar problem on my Non-backed 9690SA cards.

ewwhite

I'm trying to see if this is SuperMicro, or a problem with default RAID controller settings.

or a backplane issue.

Adrian

@ewwhite I assume you're familiar with tw_cli ?

ewwhite

On the HP I just tried, I killed the program, and I/O stopped 1 second later.

@Adrian no, what is it?

Adrian

@ewwhite LSI/3ware RAID card CLI from a Linux box

That's how I manage all these SuperMicro boxen.

ewwhite

18:54

My controller is...

1 x LSI MegaRAID SAS 9265-8i
1 x LSI 0027 LSI 9265 Raid card battery

So you guys think the caching isn't working?

Adrian

@ewwhite That or simply not turned on.

ewwhite

@Adrian How do I?

Michael Hampton

from megacli or OMSA?

Adrian

I do it by copying the tw_cli package onto a box, unzipping it, firing the CLI and running 'set cache c0 on'

'/c0 show ' tells you the controller's status.

the c being a designation for controller and analogous to Linux device numbering.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton It's a Supermicro... and I have MegaCLI installed

Adrian

18:59

@ewwhite Ah, that's probably superseded what I use then. Didn't catch that earlier.

Michael Hampton

Hmmm, if you CAN use megacli for this. Might have to do it from the RAID BIOS.

Iain

we need a *AMP.stackexchange.com where we send all the crappy questions to

Michael Hampton

I'm not seeing it in the command list...

ewwhite

[root@nodaldr-db8 MegaCli]# ./MegaCli64 -ldinfo -l2 -a0


Adapter 0 -- Virtual Drive Information:
Virtual Drive: 2 (Target Id: 2)
Name                :
RAID Level          : Primary-1, Secondary-0, RAID Level Qualifier-0
Size                : 1.818 TB
State               : Optimal
Strip Size          : 256 KB
Number Of Drives    : 2
Span Depth          : 1
Default Cache Policy: WriteBack, ReadAdaptive, Direct, No Write Cache if Bad BBU
Current Cache Policy: WriteBack, ReadAdaptive, Direct, No Write Cache if Bad BBU

not very clear

Adrian

@ewwhite Yes, that describes most of LSI & 3ware's stuff.

ewwhite

19:09

@Adrian can you tell from that output?

And yes, I'm using chat as Live Support!

David

@ewwhite Don't we all, at one point or another!

Adrian

@ewwhite Writeback for write caching and ReadAdaptive for Read caching.

ewwhite

So why is my performance shit?

84104

@ewwhite Sand gnomes.

ewwhite

:(

Adrian

19:15

@ewwhite It's LSI on SuperMicro. I've had similar conversations with the teams doing acceptace testing for new Microsoft OSs on SuperMicro stuff.

Granted, I'm no guru, but our older IBM stuff runs rings around the SuperMicro servers.

ewwhite

@Adrian so is this just acceptable?

Adrian

@ewwhite Not even for me. But that's why I don't buy SuperMicro for production use anymore.

Iain

Blog - Stack Exchange: SE Podcast #33 – It’s Back!

Alex Miller on October 15, 2012

It’s Back! Welcome to episode #33 of the Stack Exchange podcast. We’ve got a brand new co-host (Jay Hanlon, our new VP of Community Growth) plus our guest this week is David Fullerton, VP of Engineering at Stack Exchange.

So what’s new in the seven months since our last podcast? Check out the new and improved review queue! If you’ve got enough reputation, you can see the review button at the top of any Stack Exchange site. The new system is clearer to use and it’s fast thanks to a ton of AJAX goodness. …

Adrian

Another WAMP question:

-1

Q: The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

First of all sorry because i am new in these fields i am going to configure Apahe2 with PHP i have downloaded both of zip setup file and configured both ini file . now when i enter http://localhost/ it show me IIS7 page . but when i trying to open http://localhost/index.php file it show me error...

apache2 php windows-7

84104

@Adrian On Windows 7 no less. -_-

Adrian

19:21

@MDMarra Far more eloquent than I, good sir.

MDMarra

I also answered his actual question.

I'm so nice lately.

Iain

@MDMarra indeed;) Only trouble is answering Off Topic questions implicitly encourages them and if they don't get migrated stops the cleaning fairies from tidying up

MDMarra

I've seen plenty of others in the past through a clueless person a bone while also voting to close.

Have I gone too far to the "nice side?" :)

ewwhite

Man, eff-Supermicro

2

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Is the BBU bad?

MDMarra

19:28

-1

Q: Unexpected "Access Denied" when copying files with scheduled task

Using Windows Server 2008 R2. We have a scheduled task that runs a number of commands before finally attempting to copy the resulting xml files from one directory to another using the robocopy command. Despite the task being authored by a user with full admin privileges and being set to run with...

robocopy

^NARQ - OP never updated with relevant detail

By the way, I've started changing the way I handle misspelled words and it's sort of crazy how much my spelling has improved. Whenever I see a word with a red underline, I look at the correction but don't click on it. I retype the whole word instead.

2

Takes an extra second, but I don't spell relevant or maintenance wrong anymore.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I don't know how to tell

Michael Hampton

First, you wait five or six minutes for LSI's web site to cough up the user manual...

lsi.com/downloads/Public/MegaRAID%20Common%20Files/…

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I thought LSI stuff was quality

Michael Hampton

MegaCli -AdpBbuCmd -GetBbuStatus -aN|-a0,1,2|-aALL

(that's a paste from the docs)

LSI hardware is quality stuff. Their web site has a few kinks, it seems...

ewwhite

[root@Busta_Rhymes MegaCli]# ./MegaCli64 -AdpBbuCmd -a0

BBU status for Adapter: 0

BatteryType: iBBU08
Voltage: 4076 mV
Current: 0 mA
Temperature: 28 C

BBU Firmware Status:

  Charging Status              : None
  Voltage                      : OK
  Temperature                  : OK
  Learn Cycle Requested        : No
  Learn Cycle Active           : No
  Learn Cycle Status           : OK
  Learn Cycle Timeout          : No
  I2c Errors Detected          : No
  Battery Pack Missing         : No

Tell me that's not too verbose

WesleyDavid

19:39

@voretaq7 Whatever happened to that SysAdmin turned politician who was all kink-wadded up about his opponent's domain name having bofh@ as the technical contact in the whois records?

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid I assume he's retreated back to the underbelly of the interblags

Michael Hampton

bofh@ ? I know my next email address now.

Justin Dearing

19:56

@voretaq7 I didn't hear that one. I would think that all his supporters would turn against him in an "I am Spartacus^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HBOFH" moment upon hearing that.

DJ Pon3

good email address that bofh one

WesleyDavid

@DJPon3 I am impressed with yours. =)

DJ Pon3

heh :)

I asked for it first is all, I think

I'm impressed with the macbook air - never had a system with a SSD in it before. It opens up photoshop about as quickly as my old mac opened the text editor

MDMarra

@DJPon3 11.6 or 13"?

DJ Pon3

13"

Michael Hampton

20:09

@ewwhite I dunno. It's gotten too obscure for me.

WesleyDavid

@DJPon3 I like mine. It's about 6 weeks old. I got the 11.6 though

Adrian

@DJPon3 13" screen? That's dinky.

DJ Pon3

the 11" ones are smart too, I nearly went for one of those

MDMarra

@Adrian I have an 11.6"

Love it

Only like 5 hours of battery though

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra Cool people have the 11.6 incher.

You may star that out of context.

MDMarra

20:10

I have a 26" monitor and a DVI-Minidisplayport for when I'm working at my desk

DJ Pon3

@Adrian it's looking good to me right now, but I used to have a 13" macbook so I'm used to it

Adrian

@MDMarra I guess I'm rather used to the large desktop replacement laptops.

DJ Pon3

@WesleyDavid is it big endian or little endian?

Adrian

The GF's laptop has a 15.6", I think? Not much smaller than my shitty little work monitor.

MDMarra

@Adrian I also use my ipad a lot, so when I switch to my air, it does actually seem larger rather than smaller.

WesleyDavid

20:10

@DJPon3 Any way you want, babycakes.

DJ Pon3

that's what the bathroom wall says!

Adrian

@MDMarra I imagine that does help.

DJ Pon3

It's a good deal. My niece has the old 15" mbp which is still a damn good machine and much better than anything else she could have got

and i no longer had a laptop so had an excuse to buy a new one. Everyone's happy

MDMarra

When I got paid out on all of my vacation time when I left $oldJob, I bought the fiancee a 13" MBP

DJ Pon3

nice deal.

MDMarra

20:12

I was considering getting her an air, but she goes years before laptop upgrades

I figure this way in 2 years i can double the ram and put a SSD in

Whereas in 2 years, I'll have something new in all likelihood.

DJ Pon3

Yeah, that's the one thing about the air - the memory you buy it with is what it will die with

MDMarra

Yep

Ok, im going home. Peace, suckers.

ewwhite

lucky.

early day?

DJ Pon3

so I got the 8gb upgrade for mine, which is apparently a BTO option. Not sure why its not a default really. I'd have thought anyone remotely geeky would have looked at that and said "can't upgrade the RAM? I'll max it out to start with then"

cya @mdmarra

Iain

@DJPon3 it arrived ok then

DJ Pon3

20:14

@Iain yep. Still said it was in germany 30 mins before it arrived though. Damn clever these delivery people

Iain

You live near Luton airport ?

DJ Pon3

Work just around the corner from it, really

Thankfully not living in luton though

Somewhat upset my boss, I think. He wanted a meeting to discuss getting rid of macs from the network and arrives at my desk to invite me to find me unboxing a macbook air.

tombull89

@DJPon3 chuckle what sort of Mac numbers/setup do you have?

DJ Pon3

About 70 odd clients, couple of servers, magic triangle between OD and AD

oh and a mac SAN to store work generated on the macs

tombull89

Pretty much the same, 65 macbooks, 5 iMacs, single xServe for file store and magic triangle and workgroup manager roles.

Adrian

20:21

@DJPon3 So the boss is upset because he incorrectly assumed something?

tombull89

It seems to work fine, for the most part.

DJ Pon3

@Adrian yes. If you met my boss you'd understand

Adrian

@DJPon3 Oh, I've met my boss, so I understand quite well. =)

DJ Pon3

@tombull89 yes it works fine for now but there's real concerns over where to go next with Apple pulling server hardware and removing most of the teeth from their server software.

@Adrian I don't think he can reconcile the idea that I might think something is a great choice for home use with the idea that I might be concerned about using it in a business setting.

tombull89

@DJPon3 I think my boss would quite happy get rid of the macs and the xServer as well.

Adrian

20:23

@DJPon3 Ah. A non-technical manager who can't understand why technical decisions should be made by technical staff.

tombull89

We're converting to an Academy in january which is presenting it's own...issues.

Adrian

I have condundrum of a non-technical manager who think's he a technical manager

DJ Pon3

@tombull89 I bet it is. And if you just look at the financial aspect then it's certainly a worry. And I'm worried about managing these things, keeping in mind we've got to manage 1500 PCs on top of that

@adrian sounds like my one, who used to be a technical person back in the day and can't quite let go of that. Always fun eh?

Michael Hampton

Having a non-technical manager is fine, as long as he gets you all the money you need and stays out of your hair. Unfortunately that hardly ever happens.

Peter Grace

Followup post on how the #stackoverflow and #stackexchange datacenter failover test went on Saturday: http://goo.gl/Ss34y

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on October 15, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Since I know some of you were wondering...

tombull89

20:25

@DJPon3 How many people have you got in your team?

Adrian

@PeterGrace Or how Peter Grace blew up the internetz. =)

Peter Grace

haha, I was part of the cause, yes

:P

Who knew CentOS unloaded the iptables module on an iptables rule-table refresh via /etc/init.d?

I sure didn't, but that was a cause of quite a bit of bedlam ;)

DJ Pon3

@tombull89 counting the boss, there's 6 of us

@MichaelHampton agreed.

You know now Peter...

Michael Hampton

@PeterGrace I'll be forked, it does.

Peter Grace

@MichaelHampton in-so-doing, it wipes out net.nf_conntrack.max. Which, on a site like stackoverflow, immediately brings everything to it's knees.

DJ Pon3

20:28

oops. :-(

Peter Grace

Yep, luckily I figured out what was happening pretty quickly so chat was only down for about 10 mins ;)

Michael Hampton

Yep, looks like the init script unloads THAT module, too.

Adrian

@PeterGrace Yes, but that's because I also blew mine up mid-week last week in my Dev network.

Michael Hampton

Remind me to write my own script for updating live iptables rules.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Yep. I treat my iptables like it's a live snake though, so I rarely blow stuff up in production because I makes sure that it only blows up in Dev.

Blog.SF

20:39

Server Fault Blog: Working towards failure: Results of test #1

Nick Craver on October 15, 2012

Before our test last weekend, we posted THE PLAN, as promised here’s a follow-up of how things went:

Prep (2 hours before the test)

Shorten DNS TTL down to 5 minutes

Pause page duty (that’s damn sure going to go off)

Firewall Oregon redis to prevent mutation (went smooth, late plan addition)

Slave Oregon redis from the New York master (smooth, late addition)

The Test

Shutdown affected backends in HAProxy (New York)

Start the DNS swap to Oregon IPs

Start the SQL 2012 Availability Group failovers to Oregon (largest problem) …

Michael Hampton

@Adrian I've been a snake handler for so long that it doesn't even bother me anymore. But the unloading modules in the init script was a surprise.

Adrian

20:52

@MichaelHampton Yeah. I prefer to use the iptables-save and iptables-restore scripts. But I'm a distrustful bastard. Probably from admin'ing Ubuntu boxes for several years now.

Joel E Salas

@Adrian This is one of my major gripes with Debian. What exactly is the purpose of excluding a useful, built-in way to manage iptables rules

Adrian

@JoelESalas Because Debian. And don't get suggesting it. The old greybeards would likely summon Cthulhu and you'd go mad tuit suite, eh?

Joel E Salas

@Adrian Including a firewall management mechanism is a threat to your BEARD'S FREEDOM

Adrian

@JoelESalas Yes. And my neckbeard agrees.

ewwhite

21:13

so making nr_requests lower HELPS sometimes with storage performance.

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas Mainly because iptables is shittier than the east end of a westbound donkey?

ewwhite

@basil should hang out here.

Adrian

Hmm. Have a moral quandary: Should I continue moving an organization towards modern monitoring and automation tools if the organization is unlikely to hire anyone after me who's going to be capable of continuing the project after I leave?

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas And Debian likes things shitty?

ewwhite

@Adrian Yes, to say you did it.

WesleyDavid

21:14

@Adrian May you be the catalyst for change, even if change involves a smoking crater.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Well, that does have a certain degree of charm.

@ewwhite Yes, it does have that going for it. They're going to have one hell of a problem in the gap though. I'm the only one here with even half a clue.

And by that, I mean my clue is half a clue. The rest of them hain't got even that.

Michael Hampton

@Adrian At this point I'd do whatever helps you get the next job, and don't worry too much about how these guys are going to be screwed. They dug their own hole against your advice.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton This is true. Not to mention frequently pressuring me into changing my suggestions to fit what they wanted to hear in order to have a scapegoat.

Michael Hampton

Stop doing that.

Adrian

21:30

@MichaelHampton Oh, they're going to get a hum-dinger of a going-away speech on the day I leave.

Michael Hampton

Not even giving them two weeks, eh?

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Oh, they're going to get the full 30 days if I can swing it (2 weeks of accrued PTO), but when there's 40 people in the room and they ask me to give a speech, they're going to get a bulleted list of all the things they're doing horribly.

And when they walk me out the door I'm going to give them my new business card and billing scale.

Most of my problem is remembering why I'm pissed off at them. I tend to forget.

Michael Hampton

Because they treat you like shit?

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Well, it's passive-aggressive here. You usually don't realize you're being treated like shit until afterwards.

Michael Hampton

We all figured it out pretty fast.

If you REALLY want to cause a stir in your office, be seen leafing through a copy of "Guns & Ammo" on your lunch break.

Adrian

21:36

@MichaelHampton There's actually a policy against that since we're a mental health clinic.

Michael Hampton

Ah, well, scratch that.

Um, an Ayn Rand novel?

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Perhaps something more Republican. I was outed as a Libertarian years ago. =)

Michael Hampton

Aha, no wonder they treat you like shit. You're The Enemy.

Adrian

And right on cue, my old padawan sends me a link for IT positions at the local hospital. =)

While it's not Amazon, the state hospital system has some serious network kit.

Jeff Ferland

Bam. IPv6 in the office.

Michael Hampton

21:41

What I Learned Today: "Zenoss 4.2.0 Service Pack 1" does not apply cleanly to an RPM installation of Zenoss.

@Adrian You sure you want to take government blood money? :)

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton zenoss.why

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas Eh, it's a very nice system, just a real PITA to deploy.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton That's 70% of this place's revenue.

Flat revenue and rising costs

Michael Hampton

@Adrian That's not surprising, now that I have a better idea of the sort of place you work in.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Yep. Looking forward to getting in and doing some interviews.

Michael Hampton

21:53

0

Q: Upgrading Apache, PHP and MySQL

I'm looking to upgrade my current version of Apache, PHP and mySQL. I remember when I installed them it was a very intricate and somewhat delicate process and I am sort of afraid to upgrade in case everything just stops working! Currently I am running Apache 2.2.21 and PHP 5.3.5. MySQL is 5.6.4 ...

apache2 mysql php

What's wrong with this picture?

Adrian

A bunch of shit answers?

Michael Hampton

Don't forget, a shit question from a DEVELOPER.

Adrian

WhyTF do people seem to go directly for the tarball when building a app server?

Michael Hampton

Because DEVELOPERS.

Adrian

'yum install', bitches! Learn it, Live it, Love it!

tombull89

21:56

@Adrian Because it's quick and easy. "Your Mother" jokes on a postcard, please.

Zypher

@Adrian But but it's not the latests pre-alpha 0.5.3.12.1 release!

Michael Hampton

It's what they're accustomed to doing when DEVELOPERSing. Apparently in Java it's perfectly normal to embed a bunch of fixed-version jars into your project.

Adrian

Hi @amit. Please be aware that this is not a room for Live Support.

@amit I think this IS the place if you're suggesting migrating a question to ServerFault though.

Michael Hampton

Hit us.

Adrian

@MichaelHampton Not surprised. Every Java app I've ever supported did.

Supported one app that was still 1.4.2 in 2008.

Michael Hampton

21:58

So as a Java developer you get the latest version of everything and hope it lasts until the end of the application's useful life?

amit

@Adrian Are you really talking to me ?

Michael Hampton

@amit I think so :)

Adrian

@amit Yes. The grumpy ServerFault sysadmins hang out in here.

amit

Hm' then this is normal chatroom right, I can be here..

Adrian

I'm mostly being nice because @voretaq7 threatened me with a whomping for being mean this morning.

Zypher

22:00

@Adrian hey screw you we arn't all grumpy you bastard

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Michael Hampton

Yeah, some of us are condescending bastards!

amit

I thought that was just an automated message. coz I first time in live visited this chat room. :)

Adrian

@Zypher Pfft. You, on the other hand, are busily making my Ubuntu Firefox installs obsolete. =P

Zypher

@Adrian nope not me that's all the devs, i just ... uhhh what's that word ... schadenfreude

Michael Hampton

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Adrian

22:01

@Zypher Ah. Well, if the Devs come in Seattle, I'm not offering to pay for THEIR first beer.

Zypher

hahah

tombull89

Oh god what is it with Firefox at the moment? There seems to be a new release every other day.

Adrian

@tombull89 Every 6 weeks whether it needs it or not.

My poor users are still on FF3.6.

And if Mark Shuttleworth didn't so badly need a shovel to the crotch, I'd have them on 10.04LTS already with a newer version.

Michael Hampton

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Q: Wordpress e-commerce via email

I am looking for a wordpress plugin for e-commerce. The client sends the administrator his project requirements using the contact for provided on the website. Upon reading the requirements the website admin sends a payment link via email to the client. The payment link must be generated for each ...

email wordpress ecommerce

I'm out of close votes :(

84104

@MichaelHampton Can you still flag?

Michael Hampton

22:06

Oh for fork's sake.

84104

@MichaelHampton I hope that wasn't your random seed.

Michael Hampton

@84104 At 3K rep, all the close reasons get moved from flag to close.

84104

@MichaelHampton Ah. The things I miss out on being so low.

Adrian

Dammit. Once I run out of close votes, I can't even flag questions that need to be closed.

0

Q: Wordpress e-commerce via email

I am looking for a wordpress plugin for e-commerce. The client sends the administrator his project requirements using the contact for provided on the website. Upon reading the requirements the website admin sends a payment link via email to the client. The payment link must be generated for each ...

email wordpress ecommerce

Michael Hampton

flag is still there, but all it has left is "spam" and "hate speech" and "other"...

That would even be a crap question on wordpress.SE. Just nuke it.

84104

22:09

I flag it for off topic.

It's shopping.

Jeff Ferland

Hey, has anybody else put IPv6 on their network?

Michael Hampton

@JeffFerland My IPv6 address begins with 2001:

WesleyDavid

WOOP WOOP The system is going down for reboot NOW! WOOP WOOP

Jeff Ferland

@MichaelHampton Yeah, mine too.

Michael Hampton

And I just got a /48 .... for the house.

WesleyDavid

22:10

I always like to think of my desk as being bathed in strobing red lights and klaxons blaring when I reboot a server remotely.

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid That can be arranged.

Adrian

@84104 Ah. Makes sense. If I flag then NARQ, it won't let me since I used up all the VTCs.

Seems broken to me.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton You woop woop and I'll put red duct tape over a flashlight.

84104

@Adrian I only get so many moderator inform flags. I suppose it's much the same.

Adrian

Woop Woop! Huge RAID5 array question:

Damn Community. Tossing old crap to the front page.

84104

22:17

Hmm. Do I monkey with CentOS iptables or do I just disable them and trust in the cisco ACLs.

Hennes

@Adrian For some because they started when only tarballs (.tar.Z) where available. And because maintainability and upgradability is a task for someone else. Just uncompress it, untar it, type make without configure and if it works drop it on someone else. :)

Adrian

@Hennes That's disturbingly close to reality at some places I've worked.

Hennes

Aye.

It is wrong to do it that way, but sadly not a sad fantasy

WesleyDavid

Maintainability is for noobs. Compile everything from source. Gentoo 4 lyf suckas!!

Jeff Ferland

@WesleyDavid Pansy. Linux From Scratch.

Hennes

22:19

Well, I do compile from source (FreeBSD ports tree)

WesleyDavid

@JeffFerland I'll just cut to the chase: magnetized needles and steady hands.

Hennes

Emac meta alt buttefly

84104

@WesleyDavid emerge -gk

Hennes

I forgot about the needles until you mentioned them

WesleyDavid

@84104 C-x M-c M-butterfly

84104

22:22

sudo emerge world -uDNvaqgk
[binary U ] net-misc/ifenslave-1.1.0-r6 [1.1.0-r5]
[binary R ] dev-libs/glib-2.32.4-r1 USE="-debug (-fam) (-selinux) -static-libs -systemtap -test -utils -xattr (-doc%)"

Michael Hampton

Where's the butterfly key?

Hennes

it is the one with the apple and the flag on it

84104

@WesleyDavid Just because you can do it wrong with Gentoo doesn't mean you have to.

Jeff Ferland

@MichaelHampton It's unicode

U+8728

Michael Hampton

蜨

Doesn't look anything like a butterfly.

84104

22:27

Please find your translated text below:

蜨 (Chinese)
Sorry we are unable to translate your request. (English)

Jeff Ferland

@MichaelHampton It's a foreign character meaning butterfly

Adrian

You people and your weird unicode stuff

84104

You'd be amazed how many words Chinese has for that.

Michael Hampton

Somebody post a good question I can answer. I still need 7 more rep today!

Hennes

7 rep until a daily goal?

84104

22:33

@MichaelHampton You want "How do I detect if a layer 1 link is down in Linux (CentOS6)?

Michael Hampton

Was that posted recently?

freiheit

1

Q: I unscrewed the lockring, and *both* BB cups rotated - what's going on?

I'm fixing up an old tandem, and the cup-and-cone bottom bracket at the front sounds very gritty, so I picked up my c-spanner and applied it to the lockring. With a bit of effort, left cup and lockring both rotated together. Not hugely surprising that they're stuck together - both bits are quit...

bottom-bracket tandems

84104

@MichaelHampton It's not posted yet. But I'm going to if I can't figure it out soon.

Michael Hampton

...on Server Fault...

freiheit

@MichaelHampton serverfault.com/unanswered/tagged/?tab=noanswers

Hennes

22:37

Oh my god....

That is what you guys meant with 'high volume of traffic' on S.O.

Read one Q, reload. Question has scrolled off the page

Joel E Salas

So sneakernet is still alive and well in 2012

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas Yes, and for the foreseeable future.

freiheit

@Hennes Nobody can keep up with that. You gotta limit yourself to some specific tags and aggressively filter out the tags you don't want to see posts about...

WesleyDavid

@84104 Just because you can do it with Gentoo, doesn't mean you have to.

=P

Hennes

I am not really interested in any of the post. I just wanted to look at S.O and ask ubuntu since that is where I want to point some questions to.

For which I

1) really need to read that sites FAQ

2) have some idea what is posted on that site.

In the case of S.O.: More what the heck is not posted

Chris S

22:49

@Hennes SO is roughly 20-25 times bigger than SF (depending on how you measure "bigger")

freiheit

@Hennes Does your question include sample code?

Chris S

SU and SF go back and forth depending on what you measure.

WesleyDavid

@ChrisS s/bigger/dumber/g

84104

@WesleyDavid No. It doesn't, but hysterical raisins are another matter. So I make my life a little less hellish by telling myself I'm doing it better (than my fellow travelers).

Mark Henderson

So, how many questions about self-built Supermicro servers that are catching fire are we going to see after Jeff Atwoods latest codinghorror post?

I have never, ever, had a positive experience with a whiteboxed server

Adrian

22:59

@MarkHenderson Mine are all indifferent at best. And ewwhite seems to be having quite a few issues.

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