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@mgorven Abroad or within the confines of the US of A?
00:49
And this is how I feel... - Leaving finance...
01:07
@WesleyDavid Evenin'. Wish I knew that J didn't take Visa. Gonna take like a week for the USPS to get a check to her. The only thing in my life that moves that slow is my motorcycle mechanic, and that's why I got 3 bikes.
=0
01:38
@Adrian Ack, yeah. She does bank transfer, but doesn't have like a payment system on her site or anything.
Doesn't she have paypal?
I need to talk to the dear heart.
@WesleyDavid I'm thinking so, dude. The only payment option I was offered was Check.
@WesleyDavid Both
@mgorven Wow, nice.
@Adrian Hmm. That's eeenteresting.
@WesleyDavid Sure, it's really just an inconvenience, but I'd rather pay more and get it quicker.
Already had one "drive-by" request for a resume' since I spoke with her. Not having one ready is driving me batshit and makes me look like a putz.
@Adrian Putz.
=P
Ergh. I need to just get that stupid resume series done.
01:45
@WesleyDavid Yeah, no kidding. Especially since I was chatting with an Amazon executive in a coffee shop Friday while I was waiting for her to call me.
Bet I'll get le craptonnê of traffic from it.
@Adrian Wow, that's awesome. What did you think of him/her and the possibilities?
@WesleyDavid Yeah, although travelling for work gets old after a while.
@mgorven I can imagine. Might be nice a few times a year, but if you're a home body, as I am to a degree, it's nice to come back to your own carpet stains and dented drywall.
@WesleyDavid Was good chatting with them, but I'm leery as hell of Amazon. They chew people up and spit them out. Essentially, they get all the folks that don't quite make it into Google and burn them out in 18 months, rinse & repeat.
@Adrian Exactly what I've heard too. Is the pay even good or is it just something to soldier through just to have a flipping awesome resume point?
01:49
@WesleyDavid Pay's pretty good, but you're soldiering no matter what. Besos is as bad as Steve Jobs, and more than one person I know who's made a technical proposal to him said it was tougher getting interrogated by him than it was going before Congress.
@mgorven That's the thing with me. I'm a homebody to a degree, but get me out of the house for a solid week and I never want to go back there again. Especially if it's some place with year-round decent weather than I can buy/take a motorcycle. The Flatlander wanderlust kicks in and I'm just as likely to quit my job and wander for a year or two.
@Adrian Come to Arizona.
@Adrian We have no helmet laws, you can carry a loaded weapon without any paperwork, and there are tons of motorcyclists.
@WesleyDavid Dude. Not good. I really would never leave. Visiting with the GF's family in Idaho is bad enough.
@Adrian Yeah, seems like almost a challenge to see if you can handle more than 18 months. Practice your torture training skills.
@WesleyDavid Meh. Helmets keep my head cooler. I get weird(er) when I get into open sky country though.
@WesleyDavid Anybody who can isn't a "normal". Intense stress, long hours, horrible diet. Gotta be "on" all the time. Kinda like running for/being a US President.
@Adrian Yeah, I think it's just silly to be on a motorcycle without a helmet.
"It's freedom man!" Fuck you when you get hit by a car, either your fault or the four-wheeler, and you die horribly and the other person has that to live with.
01:57
@WesleyDavid Yeah. I usually don't give those folks anything but the 10,000 yard stare when they hassle me about the amount of gear I wear. Oddly, they stop giving me shit at that point. It's probably because I look like I might just eat their brains after 10-12 hours and 700 miles.
@Adrian Oh you just like the excuse to wear so much leather.
@WesleyDavid It's all Goretex, actually. But I usually also look like a bug collector's wet dream after those kind of days. Simply encrusted in bug guts.
@Adrian teh sexeh, I'm sure.
Bet your lady is just all hot and bothered when you show up.
gags
I hope you have a kerchief over your mouth. =)
@WesleyDavid She's not a typical lass. Especially considering I'm usually the one blocking all the bugs from hitting her on the pillion seat.
@Adrian "Never fear, fair maiden, I shall deflect yon insect minions!" -Adrian Quixote
02:08
@WesleyDavid The first few hundred yard of a butterfly swarm are really pretty. The next 24.9 miles is simply "Come ON! When does this crap END???"
@Adrian I hear insects have good protein, and a solution to the under-feeding problem in the world could easily be solved with insects.
02:33
@Adrian Nice :-) That's certainly not me though.
03:17
@mgorven Does Jeff get a bonus for this? serverfault.com/questions/433530/…
=)
@WesleyDavid Only if it results in a sale :-P
@Adrian Yay roadcrafter!
@JeffFerland Amen brother. My Hi-Vis Yellow is so old it's Lo-Vis now. Roughly 65,000 miles of commuting on it. Probably going to send it back to Duluth for zipper replacement this winter. That jacket has street cred like nobody' business.
@JeffFerland Oh! And I almost forgot! Stinking Spammer!
03:33
@Adrian whistles
Though I soon hope to be in a position to have to declare my own commercial links at the bottom of my posts. =)
teehee
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Q: ISPconfig found Apache instead of NGINX

AdripantsI installed ISPConfig and it detected Apache because I didn't uninstall it when I switched to Nginx. I figured I could just remove apache (httpd) and re-run the update script for ISPconfig, however it still seems to find apache. Is there a way of getting ISPconfig to detect Nginx not Apache. I...

@Adrian What is with control panel madness?
@JeffFerland I say we dogpile downvote it.
I guess it matters for resellers.
It's our sworn duty to promote quality in our profession.
@JeffFerland Most of whom don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to Linux.
03:37
I feel like posting one of those questions lately. "Why does the build system hate me? Sometimes it installs, and sometimes it doesn't."
Pls help. Really urgent. KThx
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Why the downvotes? Need Help. Serious. Very important deadline.
Still my favorite TV moment I think... And the reason they don't let smart people on shows were they can win money anymore. I'm sure Ken Jennings didn't help either.
@ChrisS True. Riding buddy of mine was a Jeopardy contestant WAY back in the day.
@ChrisS \o/
... I hate pop trivia, though.
03:54
I thought it was especially humorous as I knew the answer and was shouting it at the TV as he called his Dad.
Hmm. Kinda thinking I need to up the DevOps ante. So, which language is the shiznit for DevOps nowadays?
node.js
That last line may or may not have been brought to you by Bushmill's.
@Adrian Was it removed by Tide?
@JeffFerland No, only organic eco-friendly cleaning products in THIS house. It's a little creepy at times.
I probably ought to go learn C again. Haven't touched it in 15 years and sucked at it then.
04:12
Egads, Node.js is hellspawn.
@JeffFerland Going to make everyone curse me tomorrow morning. Upending 13 years of de-facto agency policy and switch DHCP to 'deny unknown-clients'.
No more "It takes too long!" whining from the padawans about not updating DHCP with new PC when they install them...
@Adrian Wait, are you saying you think they'll whine less about how long it takes when they have to do it? Heh.
@JeffFerland Well, they will once. Until the first time I point out that it isn't going to work and the job isn't done until the terminal has an IP.
@Adrian Again, you've enforced that it must be done, but I don't see how that makes everyone stop whining.
@JeffFerland Because after that point they leave and take their whining elsewhere. Oddly, all sorts of folks don't really appreciate it when I tell them to take their gripes down the hall to my boss.
Who knew?
05:10
I'm really getting to the point that I think CPanel/ISPConfig questions should be OT here.
Halp! My Disk is Full! Can I DELETE ALL THE THINGS?
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Q: /tmp always gets full even after resize

JamesI have a cPanel Server with 4GB of Ram and 4GB of /tmp space. I always get this error: Will this cause slow performance? and can I delete everything? Drive Critical: /tmp (/var/tmp) is 95% full Drive Critical: /usr/tmpDSK (/tmp) is 95% full

@Adrian Getting to the point? I thought everyone was already marking them OT...
@Ward Eh? Maybe I'm confused. I'd though voretaq7 told us not to do that.
@JeffFerland You still here? I'm curious: what prompted you to pop into bikes.SE and answer a couple lubrication questions? And if you're looking for another one:
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Q: Can I use gear oil on my chain?

WardI don't have any chain oil right now, but I have some gear oil left over from working on my car. Would it be an effective chain lubricant? It's listed as 80W90, but reading the Wikipedia article suggests that that's not equivalent to motor oil viscosity ratings.

@Adrian I guess I missed the memo.
@Ward I use 90w gear oil on my motorcycle chains with the Loobman system. I didn't realize that bicycle chains don't have O-rings.
@Adrian Where do you put an O-ring on a chain?
05:25
@Ward Between the rollers and the pivot up against the side plate, I imagine. I've never disected a chain before. I have the shop put them on since it involves either removing the swingarm or breaking the chain and riveting a new link in.
Put 43,000 miles on my V-Strom's last chain. DID Gold X-ring with a Loobman.
06:04
@Ward I was looking for some tire pressure information and those were both on the front page at the same time.
@JeffFerland I thought you might have a thing about lube...
@Ward Sometimes I do...
Lady friend did a nice flip when I told her I didn't have any instrument slide grease so I put some molybdenum on a flute. Apparently flutes shouldn't be greased.
Made it really easy to tune, though.
I bet you've got a nice headjoint...
It's doing alright after a isopropyl alcohol scrub of the tenons.
06:53
G'day
@Ward Short term yes, long term no as it's heavy and will attract dirt which will wear the chain
 
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Q: Parity Initialization after putting in two new disks

lbanzAll my firmware is up to date on the server and the controllers. Storage crashed over the weekend. I rebooted it and it detected that I put in two new disks last week (I did check that both disk completed the rebuilding process last week). After it booted into the OS I see that it gave me an inf...

"Logical Drive 1 (15.0 TB, RAID 5)"
09:35
@pauska Yeah. I winced.
09:57
Storage is at the moment the largest hole in my sysadmin knowledge.
It's just a magic black box to me
I could easily find myself in the same position as that guy if someone tasked me with anything similar.
10:19
@tombull89 no worries, he's going to upgrade to a new san that has a single 30TB RAID6.
.....
10:56
Hey guys, can you please have a look at the question superuser.com/questions/481766/… I posted it on superuser, cause I thought it's a more windows specific question, but I will be happy if you could have a look at it.
posted on October 01, 2012 by Wesley David

Do you work with Red Hat based operating systems? When you go to a car show, and people talk about RPMs, do you get discouraged when you realize that they’re not talking about Linux? Are you inordinately fascinated by gaudy headwear? Do you want to make more money? Sure! We all do! Certifications, love them or hate them, do have a tendency to help you earn more money and get noticed for

 
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12:08
@Iain Here is one that I think would be a good candidate for the proposed "general reference" close reason.
Is there a canonical question/answer for docemnting IT infrastructure?
@LucasKauffman I don't think so, but I think I've seen a question that might make a good one.
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Q: How are you documenting your work, processes and environment?

Andrew H Are you using a wiki format? If so, which product? (MediaWiki, Confluence, Sharepoint etc.) Have you create a knowledge base? (Problem/solution-oriented short documents.) What challenges do you find with creating documentation that works, so you don't get the call when you're off on holiday? ...

That blue text is a link. That means you can click on it, and go somewhere else! Isn't the Internet amazing?
12:27
@KennyRasschaert @MichaelHampton ty
'sup noobs
writing some documentation as we speak actually
Installing a fully redundant coffee solution today.
Most of our documentation just gets uploaded to a Sharepoint. Since the PHB decided wiki's are a big nono, I'm doing it in a Word document.
I'm going to make a community Q and A for what to documents, it's something where you can overlook things fast. Opinions?
@MDMarra all hail the über noob!
12:36
@KennyRasschaert ow
what's wrong with wikis o0
@MichaelHampton coffee is never redundant
You know, I've asked that question once or twice, never got a satisfactory answer.
I accidentally the whole network
@KennyRasschaert It's cause MS doesn't provide a license for it
if it's open source it must be dangerous
I wonder what would happen if you phoned MS up and asked them for a MediaWiki license.
Does anyone know of a "best practice" guide from microsoft for developers about where to store their data in the filesystem?
12:39
why not try it
I have a dev telling me that ProgramData is the best place to store logs, but we need to grant limited users write to that directory so that the app can write logs there. I know that's bullshit, but I don't have proof otherwise.
@LucasKauffman There is actually some wiki functionality inside Sharepoint. Our SP admin has been told to deactivate it.
@mdmarra have you looked at stackoverflow.com/questions/1507923/…
management fear the wiki?
I'm reading now
It's not so much my management. This is an external developer
So if I go to them and say you're not getting paid until x, y, and z are done, I need more than a SO link.
@KennyRasschaert LOL
that's sad :(
12:44
who remembers G4 ProLiants?
That's before @mdmarra's time.
Ya probably
Computers were terrible back then.
SCSI!
@MDMarra: We use C:\Logs\
Makes permissions easy :-P
who invented the boss??? its terrible
@ewwhite I still have a G4 and a G4p :p
where the backpane would always become loose in transport
and admins would freak out the backpane was damage (e.g. me)
12:47
it never helps to get our bosses here involved in solving a problem.
@DJPon3 :P oh :(
it depends what boss you take around here
@LucasKauffman Oh, then this makes sense to you?
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Q: Formatting an HP ProLiant dl380 G4

i.h4d35I have an old HP ProLiant dl380 G4 server whose hard disk needs to be formatted. Unfortunately, I cannot seem to do so. For one, it doesn't seem to be detecting any Hard Drives attached to the Server. The Hard Disks show up in the Ctrl+A option (SCSI Configuration Utility). Also, while inserting ...

most of our management are good people but half of them are a liability in a crisis
@ewwhite SCSI is ace, it's still all over the place, SAS, FC, FCoE, iSCSI, Firewire, Thunderbolt - it's Parallel cables that suck
12:50
@LucasKauffman it's kinda NC - everyone documents to meet their needs, their regulatory requirements and their quality requirements
@Chopper3 The protocol, fine... jumpers, 68-pin, 50-pin, ultra-wide, narrow, VHDCI, terminators, SCA... ugh
@ewwhite Agreed - and the whole LVH thing too
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:)
my not-moob
NSFW!
@Chopper3 seems like quite agressive liposuction ;)
@Iain that's a bruise in the middle, not a nipple, don't have one now :(
13:07
@Chopper3 Good thing you're really past the "having more kids" phase in your life, otherwise you'd only be able to breastfeed with 50% efficiency.
13:23
@Chopper3 Oh, congrats! Everything come out OK?
I want some way to filter the front page...

If rep on SO < ~ 1k and rep on SF < rep on SO then hide();
or just highlight them with a big fat DEV tag
@KennyRasschaert that would work - I could add it to the ignore list then
that should be totally possible with a greasemonkey script or something
13:35
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Q: Best location for exception log files (Windows)

user57474The question where exception logs should go has been discussed here once or twice (or more), and one of the recommendation was that the application should never write to the installation folder. However, if I put the logs somewhere in %appdata%, this means that each user has its own set of logs. ...

Does MS actually document their filesystem standard anywhere? Or is everyone free to make up their own standard for things like this?
The starwall this morning is awesome.
@MikeyB Beyond the event log, I don't believe there is a standard for things like this.
@MichaelHampton Yeah… plus, if only Windows had some sort of centralized event log store for things like this.
@MikeyB .. that didn't suck.
@MichaelHampton Well if you were going that route you'd go Unix.
Why do you think nobody uses the event log?
13:43
lol
tho I'd point out, some people say that about the registry...
and some people abuse it in wierd ways
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Q: I have 500+ machines to that need to be imaged and they run on raid one. What software can I automate this task with?

IgorMy company has to image large amount of machines by the end of the year. Each of the machines will be under a hardware raid 1 running centos6. Could someone recommend me a piece of software I can load on a little mini desktop, buy a switch, and connect them all together. Then have the image pulle...

@MikeyB They have standards in the Windows Logo guidelines for how apps should behave and they touch on the filesystem a bit
But there's nothing like the manpage for the *nix fs hierarchy
It kind of reads like a shopping question, but it could be edited to be much less so.
@ewwhite Heh heh… use the software I wrote. Easysauce.
14:09
can someone confirm to me that the vmware support renewal, is fixed price? and unlikely any furthur reductions from any other registered partners...
@MikeyB Hmm?
@ColdT I'm not sure but I think the price reduction is per-reseller. Unless it's specially quoted for the customer.
@ewwhite I wrote software to do the whole process - apply firmware updates by MT/serial, RAID hard drives, test hardware, deploy OS, configure BIOS, etc.
Imaged a few thousand blades and bladeCenters from a laptop with a single GE connection
@MikeyB Ah, rolled your own... I was hoping you'd say, "I wrote Cobbler"
@ewwhite Ah no, mine does much more. And intended for OOB deployment, not config mgmt.
@Chopper3 HERE COMES THE CHOPPER
@MikeyB i got a price direct from a reseller and also an email coming from vmware themselves with the same price... and i'm thinking do i really want to waste my time looking for prices
14:21
@ColdT Gimme the part number quick
103467898 & 102859964
Quick! Would anyone here use Cobbler for Windows?
@ColdT Urk? Should look more like: VMS-VCMS-BUN-C-L4
@ColdT I'll give you my price.
oops
S5-FND-G-SSS-A & VS5-ENT-G-SSS-A
copied the instance rather then the part#
14:24
Sell Price: $1,049.00
@ewwhite why not opsi.org/en instead?
@ColdT First isn't SKUed up in our system (can find VCS-FND-G-SSS-A for $320), 2nd is $360 but that's here in .ca
might i add, this is the Basic Support Coverage Academic VMware vCenter
Server 5 Foundation AND Basic Support Coverage Academic VMware 5 Enterprise for 1 processor x 6
VCS5-FND-G-SSS-A - i have £260.49 and
VS5-ENT-G-SSS-A - £288.37 * 6
Sell Price: $370.00
@ColdT So yeah, significant difference (.ca vs .us vs .co.uk)
15:00
… and then she said "That's not MY penis!"
@MikeyB ...once you get married ownership converts to the female.
@voretaq7 That's a surprisingly heteronormal statement from you.
@voretaq7 Hey… since you're here… If I'm installing pfSense (based on FreeBSD, presumably same installer?) and I want to twiddle the install options to use a serial console for install, what do I have to put in the bootloader? Know offhand?
@MikeyB The original statement was heteronormal - when I challenge people's world views they often cry, and I'm in no mood to put people back together lately
@MikeyB no, but I think I know where to look...
@voretaq7 It was just a random nonsequitor really
console="comconsole" in the loader looks promising (freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/…)
15:05
@voretaq7 I'm trying to install pfSense on a FW-7535F and it's driving me nuts… the 4g embedded image isn't working…
(if you have no way to interact with it you'll have to roll a custom CD with that in loader.conf)
I saw this one earlier today - does this not seem a really odd way of doing a firewall? Blades with Atom CPUs?
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Q: Is Hacom Mars II Dual Blade good ?

Joachim H. SkeieI am considering getting a Hacom Mars II Dual Blade for use as a firewall in a data-center for one of my colocated solutions. As the 1U enclosure have two identical firewalls, I am intending to use one of the firewalls as the external firewall using packet-filtering and load balancer (balancing l...

@tombull89 Not necessarily… may not be my first choice but not everyone wants Cisco
(as I install pfSense on a little atom box for work…)
@ewwhite thinking blob above the boy's head: "I must go home and google "girl swallows"
15:18
I was thinking the boy doesn't look too impressed.
You're right... "not impressed"
This is what I do on weekends.
@ewwhite "My girlfriend swallows faster than that. Not. Impressed."
there ya go.
If you took the sweatband off the guy he'd look like this:
@MikeyB of course you're typing blind if you didn't have a VGA console to view the loader on :-P
(or does the loader spam both places these days?)
Dan
Dan
15:25
@MikeyB I'm sat next to someone setting up a SAN using actual old skool serial consoles
@voretaq7 The loader still uses BIOS hooks to print to the screen, so since the BIOS on this box is redirecting to the serial port it Just Works.
@MikeyB you should include that in your answer (or question) :)
also Y U NO HAVE IPMI CONSOLE?
@voretaq7 Hahaha this box doesn't have IPMI.
Urgh it's now asking me SMP kernel or embedded kernel (no vga, keyboard). Can't I have both? This is a dual-core atom, after all.
sigh Grumped at by the CFO. He's been here for 27 years. Filing a work ticket for non-emergency requests has been the policy for 11 years. Still shows up at my desk with printouts of fake postmaster failures messages.
@Adrian "I'm sorry I can't look at that without a work ticket. My boss will fire me."
15:40
Hi @voretaq7, just wondering what you meant by "It was as right as I could be the day I wrote it" in your comment meta.serverfault.com/a/3659/47187
@Bruno It reflected my best knowledge at the time (which we know wasn't spot on now) - my position on that answer is basically "Yeah, there's problems with it - if it's wrong enough that you've got serious issues with it downvote it and post a better one - I'll happily upvote better answers" :-)
@voretaq7, the problem is that I think it's a good fit for an answer that's 90% wrong (and was completely wrong) and that's been accepted. There already is a better answer (following ChrisS's bounty if I remember correctly).
I've got lots of wrong or suboptimal answers scattered around the site - very few are accepted but there's a couple
@Adrian Executive privilege, gotta love it. CFO, though, so maybe you should rush over to "fix" his computer and install some keyloggers.
@HopelessN00b Good CFOs use a paymaster machine
..holy fuck you can buy paymasters still?
15:46
@voretaq7, ah OK, I just wasn't sure whether you had realised it was wrong, since in response to some comments I made, you were still talking about "TLS upgrade". I'd suggest deleting that answer is probably the right way to go, just to prevent new-comers from confusing SNI with RFC-2817.
@voretaq7 Oddly, we DO have a check writing machine. But only because the Wells Fargo app requires unrestricted ActiveX. =/
Well, maybe not totally unrestricted. But considering that I found out about the project when it showed up in my chair to be installed one morning, I don't really give an F.
@tombull89 I'll bet that hardware is pretty popular with sites that want redundant (or load balanced) pfSense routers (particularly in confined rack spaces)
@Adrian . . . . sounds secure to me
@MikeyB eh?
16:07
@Chopper3 Oh, I saw you come into the chat room. Howzit going?
@ChrisS also low power usage. pf doesn't really need much CPU horsepower.
@MikeyB Could be worse that's for certain, in quite a bit of pain today and decided to watch some bloody sad film that wasn't a good idea, haven't thought about work at all which is nice, went for a little walk but that made me tired, overall not bad considering
@Chopper3 Hospital network still functioning?
@MikeyB Oh I'm out now
@Chopper3 you should watch zombie movies!
(everyone should watch zombie movies!)
16:12
Not a fan
@Chopper3 Oh goodie!
@voretaq7 Compared to our Dev's database server installs? Probably is.
@Adrian SYSDBA ALL THE ACCOUNTS?
@Chopper3 Rockin'. Being up and about is good.
@voretaq7 Not quite. But no iptables either and no input sanitizing. Dev machines are similarly wide open, except that anyone can login on those since they're on NIS.
@Adrian "you should never run a firewall inside your network"
<- big believer in that axiom -- I disable local firewalls on all my unix systems. The network isolation and core firewalls take care of IP-level access control - it's not the end machine's job
16:27
I go the opposite way... All machines have their software firewall enabled, though most are loosely configured.
@voretaq7, sorry to insist, I'm not quite sure how to handle this in the context of the meta question. Do you at least realise that everything in that answer was completely wrong (even in 2010) until the last edit (which only adds 3 lines of correct answer)? Your last comment on that answer was still talking about "TLS upgrading".
16:43
lol
@voretaq7 Core firewalls? hahahahahaha
@JoelESalas It's like the prince of persia one, where the guy found the source code on some old floppys at his parent's house
YAY! @Chopper3's ok! ^.^
wait what did I miss :O ? what happened to @Chopper3?
@LucasKauffman Cancer, they found it, cut it out last Friday, Chopper seems to be well now (more or less).
16:46
@ChrisS Which is good, because the way Chopper is, he'd have to go out like John Wayne's character in The Shootist.
I thought you were kidding that he had breast cancer jeez
didn't know guys could get that too :/
@LucasKauffman Oh yes. And far less likely to be caught early than for women too.
All cancers can happen in both sexes; some just get different names based on anatomical nomenclature (eg testicular cancer <-> ovarian cancer)
@voretaq7... Hum... and this 90% incorrect answer has just been upvoted again :-(
@Chopper3 how on earth did you notice?
@ChrisS prostate cancer?
16:53
@LucasKauffman Skene cancer (NSFW) . Warning, don't Google that one at work! At least not in the US or countries where their sphincters are too tight...
Oops, just realised my previous message came at a bad point in the conversation. Apologies for that. I hope Chopper3 gets better too.
I blame all the bad questions for @Chopper3's cancer
@Chopper3 go American style, sue stackexchange xD
@Bruno Meh, that's what the message links are for, keeping unrelated conversations separable.
@Bruno The HTTP->HTTPS upgrade process is one way of accomplishing the "Multiple SSL hosts on one IP" goal, SNI is an alternate (arguably better) way of going about it - I agree the answer has wrong info in it, but I maintain the correct way to deal with that is a downvote/comment. (I would go back and fix it but that's hours out of my schedule that I don't have at the moment...)
@Adrian in my case "A pair of FreeBSD machines running pf"
@ChrisS and making the bonk noise happen even when I'm not paying attention to it :P
@voretaq7, fixing it only requires deleting everything after the first 3 lines: all the stuff about RFC 2817 and the un-related curl trace. It's just never used (only for IPP). RFC 2817 has absolutely nothing to do with https:// (which the question is about, since it's about SSL on port 443).
16:58
@voretaq7 Yes; that too. Though I like to call it the "thunk" noise.
@Bruno I've got no objection if you'd like to make that edit - there is other stuff wrong with that answer that I'd reword/clarify if I was in there. (I honestly don't remember why we did that curl trace - that was like a year ago and I'm sure I had some point to it but I've long since forgotten it. Remembering why I did what I did is the "hours" I was referring to - it's like looking at your own code a year later :P)
@Chopper3 anyway mate, glad you're still with us :D
Apropos of nothing, has everyone seen the Lambda-Gators?
@Bruno if you do edit the answer, please don't just delete everything but the first three lines though, actually fix the answer and not turn it into a sentence with a link that says : go over there
@voretaq7 Sorry for the insolence, but why wouldn't you use a host-based firewall? It can only do good
17:02
@JoelESalas untrue sir - host-based firewalls are a path of misery and woe!
(mostly when people forget that there's a host-based firewall and you spend time troubleshooting a problem that turns out to be "Oh, the firewall on that box doesn't allow that port")
@voretaq7 Defense in depth, muthafucka
@JeffFerland Security must be balanced with practical convenience, otherwise nobody uses it :-)
@Zypher, the problem is that there's a complete better answer just underneath already. Changing the entire meaning of an incorrect answer seems a bit odd, especially when it's not done by its author.
@voretaq7 Write a firewall rule with every service definition in puppet. :)
There's nothing inherently wrong with host-based firewalls in addition to a proper network firewall, if they're managed properly. That if is usually the sticking point :-)
@JeffFerland that would make them palatable to me
17:05
@voretaq7, RFC 2817 could have been used for this in principle, but it never caught on. It also has a number of problems, in particular because it's up to the client to determine whether it should interpret the URI has requiring secure access or not.
but in my case the servers aren't running anything they shouldn't be (I know because radmind enforces such behavior) - so I'd just be running a local firewall to pass all the open ports - sure it's not that expensive to do, but it's not buying me much
@JeffFerland Of course if you're going to run like I do without intra-network local firewalls it's probably also best to have an IDS that squawks when it sees aberrant behavior like ssh connections within a subnet that shouldn't be there. I hope one day to get this network to that point -- Can I borrow a cup of Padawans from someone to implement my grand designs? :P
@voretaq7 You seem like the kind of totalitarian that would force host-based firewalls just because they're a) good form and b) it's fun to make devs cry
It's not usually the devs who wind up crying.
(or more accurately they cry to me and create more work)
If I were in an environment where devs could put stuff on the servers without my knowledge I might be more open to host-based firewalls though (to prevent them from spinning up a web server or something that shouldn't exist)
I really don't see the benefit in most environments - if someone breaks into one of our machines they're contained within the vlan/subnet (subject to core fw rules).
If they manage to break the core all is lost anyway (they can hop from the core FW to any machine they want by giving themselves an address in the management network which would be allowed through the local FW too)...
@voretaq7 Pentester's wetdream.
17:21
What do you guys think is the maximum % one could set "Limit CPU usage during scan to" for Microsoft Security Essentials, without someone being able to notice it slowing their work down?
@David 100% - average usage
I don't know average usage
Perfmon will help you grab average usage
Put the lead Dev on the new server to beta test per boss' direction. First request? Please install 110 KDE packages on this otherwise-clean Ubuntu 12.04 so that I can use my favorite KDE editor...
without having to use Perfmon, 20-30% sound good?
17:27
@David Not sure what your users do
For an average web/email-type business user, I'd say you could probably do 75% and be fine
But that's just a wild guess
@David Usually they don't notice the CPU being sucked down as modern CPUs can context switch faster than they'll notice. The Disk is usually what kills UX, as it takes dozens of milliseconds to chug through the command queue.
hmm
Unless, of course, you have all low-clock i3s across your whole org
they're all imacs lol
@Adrian Not using a proper IDE?
17:31
running boot camp
well then CPU% usage inside of the VM is an illusion anyway
as is disk IO
win7, i dont know what exactly their specs are, but mine is a 3.06 Ghz i3 lol
can you really call BootCamp a VM though? its not like its running two different OSes simultaneously
oh my mistake
saw bootcamp, thought parallels
yeeey for windows: Unknown Error
17:49
@JoelESalas They probably don't even know what an IDE is.
@JeffFerland Indeed, but I trust the limited attack surface and the IDS components that are in place and working :)
(and like I said local firewalls wouldn't buy me anything because their rulesets would be similar-or-identical to the local firewalls - I'd only be blocking intra-vlan attacks which are a tiny risk profile -- all my security assumptions are based around "If one host in an isolation zone is compromised the whole zone is shot")
@LucasKauffman Sorry, was away - yeah, spotted it on the 10th August, just a throbbing in my chest/moob, got it checked out by doctor on the 17th Aug, mamogram 10th Sept, confirmed 17th Sept, cut out 28th Sept - so all quite quick which is good, bit tired and in some pain now (see massive scar from earlier today), about 2.5-3% of all breast cancer is in men but usually much older guys (60+) and often left very late, so all good.
Got to have chemo in the coming months but [main client] is a) paying me, b) bonusing me too :) c) holding back all my projects until I'm back and as I'd forgotten that I had critical illness cover I'm going to pocket a tidy sum out of it anyway - so positives all round, just need to ensure it's all gone now.
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A: OSX cannot ping my server IP, however unix & windows can

Dan SpiteriThe solution was that Hamachi was overriding the IP range due to the IP starting with 5.

^ Whut? ^
hey @voretaq7
only mac dude i know in here, is it possible to still buy Lion from Apple?
@David hmmm
probably through corporate channels
17:57
my work is finally ready for Lion
we are all on 10.6.8, with our file server on 10.5.8 lol
^^ They have a phone number in that thread :)
werd
@voretaq7 TL
know ye this - The sales people will make fun of you for running an older OS! :P
haha
they can suck it
especially when ML probably wont work on all of our computers
and we're going to have to buy some new software versions
17:59
@MikeyB possibly. Idunno. The answer isn't an answer and I can't make sane on the question
@voretaq7 Even if someone else has the EXACT SAME PROBLEM tomorrow, that Q/A won't help them.

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