The Comms Room

Dan

18:00

Off the top of their head, does anyone know of any changes between creating users in Powershell of Server 2008, R2 and 2012?

pauska

@voretaq7 Editing something like that without checking with OpenSSL is just so extremely bad.. jesus :p

Chris S

Every time we get one of those "How do I block Facebook so my employees will be more productive" I think of this:

voretaq7

@Dan none I've been made aware of...

Hennes

Why would anyone open facebook at work?

I know people do it, but why?

MDMarra

@Hennes I used to at $lastjob

twitter, facebook, whatever

Didn't matter

It wasn't frowned upon

Hennes

18:03

You may give me a 10 foot pole, so I can not touch facebook with it.

FB and realplayer are things I simply do not trust

tombull89

@Hennes Realplayer? Is that still about?

Hennes

Legally: yes

Last year they tried to sue someone for linking to a realplayeralternative.

Chris S

@tombull89 Just saw an advertisement somewhere the other day...

Dan

@voretaq7 Cheers, doing a little hobby app for bulk importing users but I want to use powershell underneath

@Hennes Because I work in a place where the logs have "Kate Middleton Topless" from the bosses PC

pauska

@ChrisS that actually happened to my department a month ago. We got a complaint from the board of directors that several VP's had told them that we were often not at our desks. Trying to tell them that we were busy working overtime every single night didn't help..

Hennes

18:06

I never looked at my bosses PC.

tombull89

Oh dear god. I thought RP had been taken out the back and shot decades ago. With VLC, Media Player Classic and iTunes, people don't need anything else.

Hennes

Both because it is against the law, and because I had no reason to do so

Chris S

@pauska Looking productive > Being productive =]

voretaq7

@Dan the PS abstractions should be relatively stable for that kind of stuff

Dan

@Hennes My point is that some organisations aren't pathetically touchy about their internet use

tombull89

18:07

Although iTunes, Quicktime, and Realplayer all occupy the top three in my list of "bad software list"

Dan

@tombull89 Especially trying to lock down the fuckers, eh?

Hennes

Agreed. Esp the 2nd and 3rd

FB not for the software (or rather, not because it is a social mediua website

But because they always leak information

Dan

@Hennes What do you mean?

tombull89

@Dan We don't let them get installed in the first place. iTunes are on three staff laptops in the school, and Quicktime is on a Mac for doing screencasts.

Hennes

And they did a dance a few times where they demished your rights in a big way, then did a small step back and prevented all was back to the old situation. And 2 months later they did it again. And again. And again

They games/application often could grab all your information

Dan

18:08

@tombull89 I've only had to play with iTunes once, but there's still people who want Quicktime and Realplayer on all of their terminal servers :(

Hennes

Even if you disallowed it

Dan

@Hennes What? What information

Hennes

Age, location, .... (think targetted adds)

Dan

@Hennes But that's got to do with work?

That's the same at home, or anywhere

tombull89

@Dan Media players? On a TS? Hah.

Hennes

18:09

Not with work. I do not trust FB anywhere.

Including at work.

Try this game, code untrusted, on your work PC with all work document.

Dan

@Hennes Shrug, I like Facebook, I just use it with reasonable caution like the rest of the internet

Hennes

If people do that at home then it is their risk

Fun

Dan

@Hennes That's a pretty big security flaw in whatever platform, though. I wouldn't personally class it as a major attack vector, you're just as likely to get stung on a million other websites

tombull89

I use facebook and think it is genuinely useful, although I won't touch any apps at all.

Hennes

Lets just say I trust a lot of my users, except a few.

Not because they want to cause harm, but because they are totally clueless about security

Dan

18:12

@Hennes The answer isn't to ban them from large swathes of the internet, though

Hennes

I tried educating. It failed

Now if I could just not offer internet at work then I would be happy

voretaq7

NO NETWORK FOR YOU! COME BACK 3 MONTHS!

Dan

@Hennes Well the answer is to harden your internal network. You're never going to educate all your users and, honestly, I think the Internet is just as important as a tool as a phone, a pad and a pen

Hennes

For some user: yes. They need the net.

MDMarra

iPad is done downloading iOS6. yayayayayayayayaya

Dan

18:17

@MDMarra Silly question, but I assume it doesn't delete anything when updating?

MDMarra

Nope

OTA updates dont fuck with anything

Dan

Cool, I'll do the Mrs's

MDMarra

Can't speak to doing the updates through iTunes

Dan

Don't have iTunes

Refuse

Chopper3

you use the pc version?

Hennes

18:20

You could install itunes ina vm, and use that vm just for the phone

Dan

@Chopper3 Yeah, I don't have a Mac. I'm aware that it's fine on a Mac, but it really is tragic on Windows

@Hennes Only have 1 Apple device which si the Mrs's iPad and it's not really come up (yet)

Chopper3

@Dan good, it's supposed to be

Dan

@Chopper3 shrug not my problem, shan't use it and I shan't buy their music either

MDMarra

So panoramas in iOS6 look awesome

Katie just texted me this (her update beat me)

Thats from a 4S

Zoredache

@MDMarra didn't the youtube, and maps app go away?

MDMarra

18:28

Google is still providing apps for those two services

They're just not apple-bundled

And Apple has their own maps app

I have yet to use it, though

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra Cat.

MDMarra

@WesleyDavid That would be Cat King Cole.

(Sometimes I wish he was black so that name would fit better)

84104

@MDMarra Cat King Coal?

MDMarra

Nope

Nat King Cole

Nathaniel Adams Coles (March 17, 1919 – February 15, 1965), known professionally as Nat King Cole, was an American musician who first came to prominence as a leading jazz pianist. He owes most of his popular musical fame to his soft baritone voice, which he used to perform in big band and jazz genres. He was one of the first black Americans to host a television variety show, and has maintained worldwide popularity since his death. Childhood and Chicago Nathaniel Adams Coles was born in Montgomery, Alabama, on March 17, 1919. When he was 4, he and his family moved to Chicago, I...

^ His namesake.

84104

Ah. I think it would be cooler if he played Jazz Piano.

MDMarra

18:32

He sings to us when he's hungry at 6am.

A lot.

84104

Not the same. -_-

MDMarra

meow

Adrian

@MDMarra And by 'sing' you mean: "Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow Meow"?

MDMarra

ya

then he jumps into the bed and sticks his nose in katie's ear

he's found that makes her wake up pretty quickly

Adrian

Yeah, the GF's cat likes to stand on someone's hip and meow as loudly as he can.

MDMarra

18:37

He's recently started "nursing" on the collar oh her shirt/hair

kinda weird

Dan

@MDMarra That's not a real Les Paul is it?

MDMarra

It's a Peavey EXP

I bought it when I was playing a lot of hardcore in drop C or A.

A LP doesn't really sound so hot tuned to low

Adrian

@MDMarra The neighbor's cat does that to my GF. One weird cat. More like a house-lion than a house-cat.

MDMarra

I owned a gibson SG at one point

Sold it almost right away though

Dan

@MDMarra No, it's not really it's natural habitat :D I can't remember the last time I picked up mine. I've got a copy of Guitar Rig but I gave my ASIO card away

MDMarra

18:47

The best instrument in that pic is the red Fender American Jazz Bass by the sliding door

I haven't played seriously in a really long time though.

Dan

@MDMarra Yeah, saw that. Bass isnt really my thing

MDMarra

I've been wanting to sell it, sort of.

But I can't bring myself to.

It was the first high-quality instrument I ever owned

Dan

Dude, I've still got a Fender Squire sat in front of me (Literally, it's next to the TV) purely because, well it's not worth anything and it was the first ever guitar I had

Joel E Salas

@Dan Sentimental value?

Dan

@JoelESalas Absolutely, had it like 13+ years now

This conversation has prompted me to look for a nice USB input

MDMarra

19:01

Ok, the new Maps app looks really slick at first glance

Dan

Mines still installing, about 3/4 through

Aarthi

hey comms room!

we're having a mod party, come say hi:

Adrian

@Aarthi mornin'

Aarthi

but keep it clean!

Dan

Word up

Aarthi

19:11

The Assembly

You know those boring town council meetings you never attend? ...

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SpacemanSpiff

anyone here had to dick with upgrading NIC drivers on a hyperV host?

Adrian

@SpacemanSpiff I prefer to 'upgrade' them with a box of matches and a gasoline can.

SpacemanSpiff

heh... well... that approach is always acceptable to me

Chris S

@Aarthi Party Time!

Aarthi

yeaaaaaaaaaah

Chris S

19:20

@SpacemanSpiff What do you mean exactly?

Hyper-V is undoubtedly sensitive to less than 100% functional NICs

SpacemanSpiff

Buddy of mine trying to do so... gives him some grief about the parent partition.

dell server, broadcoms with some older drivers

I told him his google-fu needs some work, most likely

but i could see that being dicey... my own aversion for Hyper-V is pretty much centered around its reliance on Windows NIC drivers

the silly ass shit over the years i've dealt with because of this driver and that driver I just don't trust it to be aggregating multiple guests traffic

woops, pretty sure i just killed a juniper pulse gateway :)

pauska

@SpacemanSpiff it's (finally) better in Hyper-V.. you still need a driver for the NIC (like every OS does), but all the vlan stuff etc is inside Hyper-V

SpacemanSpiff

well, what prompted this is he built a server, setup NIC1 normally, installed the HV role, then setup a second NIC as trunking

with tags set down at each guest

uplink is to a Juniper switch

I literally built the same exact thing and mine works, his dies at the switchport

he's on an R710 with BC5709Cs

I'm on a 2900 with BC5708Cs

but my drivers are newer

Chris S

@SpacemanSpiff The 5709s have a plethora of known issues if you're running 1+ year old Firmware, Drivers, and Management software.

Scrambling vLAN tags is one of them I know for certain.

SpacemanSpiff

:) good to know, does that affect ESXi too?

we've been seeing some seriously weird shit like that

Chris S

19:40

@SpacemanSpiff I'm really not sure... I would think so because it's partly a firmware issue, but I don't run ESXi.

MikeyB

19:52

@ChrisS That statement actually holds true for any point in time.

Chris S

@MikeyB Meh; for the last year or two they've been good... Before that I don't blame people for curing Broadcom's name.

Broadcom pretty well defined Half-BakedWare' for hardware at least.

MikeyB

@ChrisS We've been having oodles of fun with Broadcom 10Gb cards (on Windows - half the problem!) and Cisco 7K/2K combos. Several bugs, some of them on brcm end, some on Cisco end.

In the end, the Cisco hardware got forklifted out of the project.

MDMarra

Really.........

We just put a N7K + 2x2Ks in place

No 10GbE cards, but plenty of 1GbE Broadcom cards.

MikeyB

@MDMarra Yeah, we're talking at least tens of N7Ks here. Absolut Lunacy.

Chris S

For the 1GbE Broadcom cards, it depends on the chip. The 5709 was the flagship with a zillion features... also a zillion bugs when first released.

MikeyB

20:00

checks home server

04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 20)
04:00.1 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 20)

Chris S

I've also got CBM5715 1GbE Broadcom chips, never a problem, also just a "normal" NIC chip.

MDMarra

We're getting an awful lot of "architect my huge fucking thing for me" questions lately.

-1

Q: How do you host images using Windows Server so that they are accessible over the internet?

I was trying to figure out a way to host images (picture images, not disk images) such that they are accessible over the internet via URLs--in a way similar to a web service like Photobucket or ImageShack. I have a whole bunch of Windows Servers (Windows Server 2008 R2) available in the cloud. ...

Chris S

@MDMarra End of summer influx of "I need a free IT consultant" and "My computer borked, HALP" and "Do my homework for me"

voretaq7

@ChrisS Your homework is to determine your mains line voltage using only your tongue...

Hennes

And no troll to say "sure. $100 per hour"?

MikeyB

20:06

'…accessible over the internet via URLs' Whoah man… that's cutting edge.

MDMarra

I want to know how he installed IIS 6 on Server 2008 R2 :D

Hennes

That is easy. You simply copy all the files DOS style :)

Thank G-d it is not the first time I visit this chat room. Else people might think I literally meant that.

voretaq7

@Hennes using the DELiver command?

Hennes

Nah, using the read modules buffers.

voretaq7

@MikeyB gopher:// it is!

Hennes

20:08

You can flush them, but that takes a long time unless you use the real fast command

Ala rm -rf

Wow

voretaq7

::waits for @Hennes to get out of time-out::

Hennes

I am out

voretaq7

did you cheat and reload the page?

Hennes

Nope.

voretaq7

or did they shorten the easter egg time?

Hennes

20:08

It was ~ 5 seconds.

voretaq7

eh still about 10 seconds

Hennes

No idea how long it was before

84104

@voretaq7 I can see through it after about a second.

voretaq7

yea takes about 5 on my machine until you can see through the black

Chris S

20:28

Anyone here use BitCoin ever?

Adrian

@ChrisS pretty much a rigged game, isn't it?

Chris S

@Adrian Isn't all currency?

Adrian

@ChrisS some moreso than others.

David

Does anyone understand what this adapter does? monoprice.com/products/…

Adrian

Today's fantastic request was for me to illegally modify a State-owned workstation located at one of our sites so that we can put it on our network.

Chris S

20:39

I just started mining; I'll never make much with my rather pathetic home server.. But I've never even run across anyone that accepts it yet. Just wondered if anyone else had.

Adrian

@David Duplicates the video output to two screens? Good for security/camera systems

David

I get that @Adrian

but why is there 3 VGA inputs

Chris S

@Adrian And if you have a PC that you want to do a presentation from.... Though that would seem clunky at best.

David

and then it says its wireless

thats what i dont follow

Chris S

@David 1 in, 2 out

MikeyB

20:41

@David Two displays, one CPU.

Chris S

@David Where does it say wireless??

MikeyB

@David Lay off the ganja man.

2

David

lol nvm

i got confused with the Mhz

guess that relates to the amplification

MikeyB

@David Nope, relates to the maximum bandwidth that it can process.

Zoredache

@David if you are asking why all the ports are female, the answer probably is that was cheaper.

Adrian

20:45

@Zoredache And more durable too.

MikeyB

@David Fer example, the one you linked supports 400MHz for a max res of 2048 x 1536. ca.startech.com/AV/Splitters/VGA-Splitters/… supports 250Mhz for 1920x1440. Throw in refresh rate and some number magic… I don't really know how to combine them but could probably pull something out of my ass.

David

got it

Lucas Kauffman

@David no idea on the multiplier vs splitter, I guess the first one also enhances the signal whilst the latter doesn't

Chris S

@MikeyB width * height * refresh_rate * overhead factor * safety factor = minimum bandwidth

MikeyB

@LucasKauffman You'll notice the colours are dimmer on the unpowered splitter.

David

21:04

so powered it is

not too bad for pricing

voretaq7

21:16

@ChrisS 7Tb/sec

Hennes

Well crapx2

1) I just think I killed a key on my keyboard.

A nice vintantage 1991 model M

voretaq7

@Hennes define "killed"

Hennes

Granted, 2 decades of use is not bad for a keyboard. But I still hate to see it die

My = broke after cleaning.

No 'click'

It worked if I hit the key really hard

voretaq7

@Hennes try re-seating the cap

Hennes

I just did that before I declared it broken. It now prints infinitre equal signs until I remove the cap again

No obvious breakage.

voretaq7

21:19

@Hennes spring's probably busted then

cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/mx.htm

replace the switch :)

MikeyB

OK, time for some HIB6 action. Then Unix Users' Group. Then hot wings.

Hennes

I wonder if I can canibalised some unused key (e.g. capslock).

Hennes

21:53

Sometimes fire is beautiful. (mind you, at 300 meters and no closer) mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/…

Zypher

make me set a silly password to meet your reqs ... no no ocredit=-30 fuck you very much

Adrian

22:09

@Zypher There's days that there really should be an Electric Shock over TCP/IP protocol.

HopelessN00b

@Zypher where at?

I mean I agree with the sentiment, but am curious. Don't take a 12-32 pRNG password my utility spits out, don't get my business. Not much of a problem anymore, at least for things I do.

Hennes

But with an option to disable it before 9AM.

Zypher

@Adrian to be fair it's for the vmware virtual appliance, which you can't do any damage with w/o our strong vmware password

Hennes

(too risky to have Electric Shock over Ethernet before I had my morning coffee)

Adrian

@Hennes Our Devs did suggest that we figure out an API to allow errors generated by mis-use of the in-house application to trigger a trap door below the desk of particularly egregious users.

HopelessN00b

22:12

@Hennes Nah, painful maybe, not risky. Dropped a server this A.M. before caffeinating myself. Not risky, so much as painful. And expensive. I liked those pants. :(

Hennes

Did either of you ever get lessons from Edgar Dijksta or Anne Kalderwij?

Adrian

Our users sometimes forget what they're doing in the middle of very short data entry forms. It's a little appalling.

Hennes

(Profs at the Einhoven University. Dijkstra later moved to the US)

HopelessN00b

@Hennes Not I.

Adrian

@HopelessN00b Weird. I must need more caffeine. I parsed that as "catheterizing myself"

Hennes

22:14

Lucky you (he disapproved if your handwriting was not good enough).

But I was actually going to GCL

Guarded Command Language

If you do this this happens. If you do that that happens.

HopelessN00b

@Adrian Yeah, definitely get some coffee before you unintentionally give your self a catheter.

Hennes

If you do somethin unspeficied then the computer explodes

In hindsight those were fun lessons. :)

HopelessN00b

@Adrian Speaking of you, you work in a falling apart environment, too... any chance you run a Windows print server and have a particular insight or two into troubleshooting spooler using 100% CPU issues?

Hennes

Not really. I had that problem a few times in the past

Twice it got solved by restarting the spooler service

Adrian

@HopelessN00b Our spoolers point to a CUPS server that lives on a VMWare box.

Hennes

22:17

Third time was when I was on holliday. A colleage RDPed in and just reset the whole file- and print-server

Adrian

The only time we've EVER had problems with the spooler service is what a staff member was trying to print via a Samba server that they didn't have an account on.

HopelessN00b

@Adrian Yeah, ours too. I was kind hoping you also had to bang your head against that suck and could prevent me from having to do so. :)

Adrian

@HopelessN00b Actually, our Windows boxen are some of our best units. There's only a few of them and they're loaded to the gills with RAM, fast SAS drives, and decent CPUs.

HopelessN00b

@Hennes Yeah, we got it happening on a regular basis, out of the blue, on big jobs, which sadly we can't stop from being submitted, or submit in chunks. So now, without a solution I gotta script up a kill-the-process-when-spoolsv-is-above-95%-CPU-for-5-minutes-thingy ...

Honestly, it's a lot more intimate than I wanted to get with Windows method of transferring clean binary data to messy black smudges on tree corpses.

Could be worse I suppose. I could have to do without getting paid hourly to do so. That would be really unpleasant.

Adrian

@HopelessN00b Yeah, don't do much in the way of complicated things with Windows. Our Samba/CUPS boxes uses maybe 5% of the resources on that VMWare server.

HopelessN00b

22:24

Honestly, that's what I'm pretty sure it is. Not VMWare resources, but this all started happening around the time we started not being able to get LUN utilization below 90% and SAN utilization crossed the 80% boundary, so disc resources.

Nothing but issues when you don't have room for sequential writes anywhere; just wish I could prove it, or do something about it, other than slap another bandage on the thing to keep it limping along until the replacement goes live.

voretaq7

22:52

@aarthi has been busily uncovering crap buried underneath our bad tag collection - Go forth and scrub further! meta.serverfault.com/questions/3042/the-bad-tag-collection/…

Aarthi

ALL THE BAD TAGS

i'm honestly going by instinct alone.

Adrian

23:09

Kill ALL The Tags With Fire???

freiheit

@Adrian Only the BAD tags

Adrian

@freiheit Send them to the corner and tell them to knock it off.

Aarthi

there are no social-networking questions.

y'all may want to manually remove social though

Hennes

Help! LiveJournal is out. Can I fix that be reinstalling windows?

Or vcan I access Greatest Journal from OS/X ?

Aarthi

if LJ is down, means Frank chewed on the servers again

Hennes

23:17

halp halp!!!11evelenty one!11!! Dreamwidth is down. Is that due to my virusscanner?

Aye.

Naughty goat. :)

freiheit

@Aarthi Probably just on the cables. They're easier to chew

Aarthi

@Hennes Lies, DW doesn't go down; Denise is an awesome sysadmin

Hennes

Well, I love the fact that when DW goes down (and it has) that they admit it.

Unlike LJ

Aarthi

:D

HopelessN00b

23:33

OK, dammit, 27" monitors need to come with a warning that they're much smaller than 28" monitors. This is gonna bug me.

Mark Henderson

23:46

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Q: iOS6 has loaded someone totally different's details

I did an Over The Air update on my iPhone 4S this morning to IOS6. But it has showed me someone elses phone number after the update. When I send an iMessage to my wife, it comes from this random persons phone number. When I try to facetime, it comes from this other number. But "Phone" shows the ...

ios-6

Not been a good start to IOS6 for me

l0c0b0x

Any idea why my two wireless controllers [Cisco] might have issues with VLAN 666?. I just tried setting it up, and they wouldn't take it (well, they took the config, but I wasn't able to communicated to other host interfaces on that same VLAN number).

@MarkHenderson geesh! That's a big WTF moment.

Mark Henderson

@l0c0b0x Just a tad

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